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Zobair
April 20, 2008, 11:56 AM
Its easy to rant and rave about how poor every one is and how every one of them should put to the firing squad - I exaggerate but you get the point! But this thread is an effort to see if we have anything positive to say that may help our team improve their game. Granted we are just ardent fans and not cricketers of any repute (at least I am) but the idea is to channel our frustration and disappointment in a positive direction.

What would be your message to each member of the team in one sentence?

Wise-cracks/Sarcasm NOT welcome!

Here are my inputs:

Jamie Siddons: Be patient and careful with how you display your frustration especially when on the "big screen" since it can hardly be morale-boosting for your charges in the middle of a game.

Md. Ashraful: I know you are trying really hard in the nets and hitting the ball well but the challenge for you is to build an innings so your goal should be survive a minimum of 20 overs in upcoming domestic matches.

Mashrafe Mortaza: Keep working on your fitness and learn to swing the new ball both ways.

Shahadat Hossain: Work on trying to bowl on a handkerchief outside off-stump!

Abdur Razzak: You are an excellent ODI/20-20 bowler but perhaps you can try to use the depth of the crease more to add further variety.

Farhad Reza: Bowling - same as Shahadat, Batting - improve on strike rotation.

Shakib Al Hasan: Bowling - nothing to offer here since you seem to be able to adjust pretty well, batting - work on your front-foot play.

Aftab Ahmed: Same as Ashraful.

Mahmudullah Riad: Bowling - be more positive/confident, slow things down a bit and flight the ball more, Batting - gotta learn how to rotate the strike and not get bogged down for maiden overs.

Tamim Iqbal: Learn how to take singles off good balls!

Nazimuddin: Same as Tamim/Riad.

Dhiman Ghosh: Improve footwork, rotate strike and keep working hard on your keeping.

S Nafees: Keep working on your fitness and agility and perhaps not go as hard at the ball.

Zunaid Sidiqqui: Open up your stance a little bit more to bowlers bowling across you.

Raqibul Hasan: Perhaps you can minimize your motions with the bat when waiting for the ball to be delivered?

Syed Rasel: Got to work harder on your shoulders to add that extra yard or two of pace and with your movement both ways you will be lethal.

Team as a whole: Keep your chin up and work through the wrinkles that are bound to occur when you have a heady mix of youth/inexperience, new coach and new coaching methods.

Your turn!

Shobha
April 20, 2008, 11:59 AM
something needs to be done about their bowling

BTW who is the bowling coach??

pocha
April 20, 2008, 12:03 PM
You tell me that they dont know all these. If yes, they should n't be playing international cricket then.

It simple they just dont learn even after being told all these words 10000 times.

Zunaid
April 20, 2008, 12:04 PM
Zobair - that post has all the hallmarks of a BC article. Care to expound on it a bit - or augment it with comments that will inevitably follow in this thread? Let me know.

arafath79
April 20, 2008, 12:06 PM
Only advice is to improve domestic cricket structure with gym, sporting wickets, bowling machine. good coach and trainer. The current BD players would not be that effective and the current players will not help Bangladesh to become a world beaten side. Most probably they will surprise the big guns and steal the win from them like they did under Whatmore's coaching period. They need to groom some young stars proprly before they bring in to the national squad.

For the cureent team:

1) Kick Ashrafool out of the team forever.
2)Don't allow Aftab to take his wife with him in any tour. He needs to keep himself fit and strong.
3) Zunaid is not a good ODI player.
4)Nazim Uddin should play instead of Ash.
5) Bangladeshi bowlers (MAshrafe, Shahadat) should learn how to bowl fast and consistently maintain goodl ine with minimum speed of 135 kmp and make it up to 140 kmp but the length should be right.
6)Tamim and Sakib are playing all right at the moment.
7) Rajjak needs to learn how to do variation like Vettori.

OH ! That's it.

Eshen
April 20, 2008, 12:11 PM
Siddons: Mate, I don't think you are good enough to be the head coach of an international team. BCB should promote Sujon as the national team manager (like a real team manager, not an administrative manager), and keep Siddons as a batting coach.

Ashraful: Please give up captaincy and concentrate on your batting.

Russell2k7
April 20, 2008, 12:11 PM
Look here is the deal: can a kinder garden student solve calculus without learning add and subtraction? No. Bangladesh should pull out from Test cricket like Zim and start playing other top teams A team or in First Class matches. That way they will learn the game better. You cannot solve harder problems without going through solving easier problems. Plain and simple. Oh and another thing is that this joke about Bangladesh having talents must stop! This is actually the very first step.

Zobair
April 20, 2008, 12:12 PM
Dr. Z! Sounds good. Lets see what comments our members offer over the next couple of days and then I could incorporate them into an article over the course of the week. Though I must say the initial responses are NOT what I was looking for.

People! The idea is to offer something positive to the players preferably on an individual basis i.e. speak directly to them as if you were giving advice to your own BROTHER/SON/favourite NEPHEW.

al-Sagar
April 20, 2008, 12:12 PM
play simple.

dont take any pressure

and enjoy

djnaved
April 20, 2008, 12:16 PM
Jamie Siddons: go back to australia, we don't need you anymore

Md. Ashraful: go back to 3rd division cricket league, i hope u can score double hundreds

Mashrafe Mortaza: learn how to swing the ball both sides, use variations, in batting try to stay at the crease for a long time

Shahadat Hossain: learn not to give short ball all the time,ball outside the off-
stump

Abdur Razzak: don't try to put more pace in ur bowling, u can be a superb batsman, plz work on ur batting skills

Farhad Reza: Bowling - same as Shahadat, Batting - improve on strike rotation.

Shakib Al Hasan: Bowling - nothing to offer here since you seem to be able to adjust pretty well, batting - work on your front-foot play.

Aftab Ahmed: Same as Ashraful.

Mahmudullah Riad: Bowling - be more positive/confident, slow things down a bit and flight the ball more, Batting - gotta learn how to rotate the strike and not get bogged down for maiden overs.

Tamim Iqbal: Learn how to take singles off good balls! and learn how to hit a six by not going down the wicket

Nazimuddin: learn how to take singles, it will definitely help

Dhiman Ghosh: Improve footwork, rotate strike

S Nafees: Keep working on your fitness and agility and perhaps not go as hard at the ball. improve footwork, improve ur shot selection

Zunaid Sidiqqui: change ur batting stance, improve ur shot selection.

Raqibul Hasan: u r the best single taking players after ash, try to be more aggresive

Syed Rasel: Got to work harder on your shoulders to add that extra yard or two of pace and with your movement both ways you will be lethal.

WarWolf
April 20, 2008, 12:17 PM
My first advice is for the govt
Please change the management in BCB. These guys hardly know any thing about cricket. Hire some professionals who have experience in the business world and have cricketing background.
Please make sure that the BCB is transparent enough as an organization which deals with a lot of money.Advice for the BCB
We need a change in the selection committee. These guys are not fit for it. They don't have any cricketing sense at all. Being an x-player doesn't necessarily make you a good selector.
Finalize a long term well planned selection policy. Make sure that no player with at least 5 years of experience in first class cricket gets a call in the national team camp. Minimum criteria for getting a call is having minimum averages of 35 in both first class and list A matches. Minimum number of matches must be 40 for first classes and 50 for list A matches. We cannot expect someone, who has below 30 average in domestic cricket, suddenly flushing in international arena.
The team lacks experience in terms of age. Only one player is above 25 years and he crossed that mark a few months back. Nobody is there who can take responsibilities in tough times. We must bring back some senior cricketers.
Install fast bouncy pitches all over the country. This is must for upgrading the standards of the batsmen and the bowlers.
Arrange foreign regular tours for academy and A teams.
Communicate with cricket boards of other test playing countries like England, Australia, NZ, SA to arrange placement of our players in their local leagues.Advice for the Players
Try to set a value for your wickets and your deliveries. Make sure that the opponents must work hardest to get your wickets or make runs of your deliveries.
Respect the local leagues. Try to be serious. If you are not serious here, you won't be able to be serious at international level too.Advice for the Fans

Keep your expectations low for next couple of years. Don't fly too high on one or two Eid occasions a year. Don't be too much pessimistic either.
Continue supporting Bangladesh cricket and keep on visiting BC.:-D

arafath79
April 20, 2008, 12:17 PM
play simple.

dont take any pressure

and enjoy

:D Yes enjoy the game !! No matter what ?? Enjoy like Ashrafool !!! The ways he was showing his teeth in the 3rd ODI. :D

desirocker
April 20, 2008, 12:18 PM
Look here is the deal: can a kinder garden student solve calculus without learning add and subtraction? No. Bangladesh should pull out from Test cricket like Zim and start playing other top teams A team or in First Class matches. That way they will learn the game better. You cannot solve harder problems without going through solving easier problems. Plain and simple. Oh and another thing is that this joke about Bangladesh having talents must stop! This is actually the very first step.

kothagula kharap bollen nai russel mamu

arafath79
April 20, 2008, 12:21 PM
Gordon was right. He adviced BCB not to apply for test status so early and that's one of the important fact that he got kicked out from the national team as a coach. I felt sorry for him.

Spitfire_x86
April 20, 2008, 12:26 PM
Look here is the deal: can a kinder garden student solve calculus without learning add and subtraction? No. Bangladesh should pull out from Test cricket like Zim and start playing other top teams A team or in First Class matches.
Result = Death of cricket in Bangladesh

We're probably not meant to be good in Cricket (in fact, any sports in general), and maybe we should try living with that. Afterall, not everything grows in every country. We can't grow many fruits, we are still living despite that :S

meazz1
April 20, 2008, 12:44 PM
What I have seen so for of your selectors are the fast and quick decisions of dropping a player and bringing in a new player in a drop of a dime.

we need to stick to players and play them for a long time.
Cricket is a game of uncertainty and a player needs to adopt themselves to the game. if we want a team that is experienced, we need to let them spend time.

Many many times, experience is much more important than skills. If we stick to Dhiman, we need to give him time to play his game, when he needs guidance, we give him that and give him also the opportunity to apply that.

I thought Mushy had done a superb job behind the stumps in the WC and needed more time in the first class arena to learn and enriched his career.

Russell2k7
April 20, 2008, 12:47 PM
Result = Death of cricket in Bangladesh

We're probably not meant to be good in Cricket (in fact, any sports in general), and maybe we should try living with that. Afterall, not everything grows in every country. We can't grow many fruits, we are still living despite that :S

For us fans yes. But honestly the only thing that will bring death of cricket in Bangladesh is this type of performances on a frequent basis. We still have tri series, tour to Aus and SA, it will be very tough, but lets wait a bit more and see how our players perform. If we get blown away in those matches it will certainly not help our cause.

al Furqaan
April 20, 2008, 12:59 PM
the way ash batted in the 5th ODI, i watched his entire innings, was the way batting is supposed to be: don't take risks, take a lot of singles, and when you play aerial shots, make sure you clear the infield or hit in a vacant lot. and he did that. the catch from misbah was a super catch, which 99 times out of 100 would have been a 4 and not out. however, it seems that every ash dismissal is due to someone taking a blinder and that is unacceptable. ashraful and the rest of boys still do not understand the honor it is to play Test cricket. drop them from the squad for an entire series is the only way. not from a match here and there.

aftab was out of the test side for a while, and as a result his test batting has improved. he still feels irresponsible in ODIs because he has a free ride there. kick him out. if we have to lets bring rajin, alok, nafees iqbal, back. they can't do any worse than what we have here.

of course those guys are the stop gappers while we try to rectify the mental problems of our batting lineup.

tamim and sakib where the only ones who did their jobs admirably, and riyad too.

junaid is still young, but ash, aftab really need to be disciplined.

the bowling i don't worry about because they put their 100% effort in each game, barring the rare meltdown.

WarWolf
April 20, 2008, 01:07 PM
Advice for All the Tigers
Please bare in mind that you won't be able to perform a good play in the stage if you didn't do good in the rehearsal.

Junaid, my brother I know you age a good player. That doesn't mean that you don't have to work hard to get success. Look at your longer and shorter version records. Having 27.18 in first class and 25.26 in list A doesn't look good at all. Try to improve them at least by 15 in next 2 years.

Tamim, our national nephew, please bear in mind that the only way to score is not hitting big sixes and fours. There are times when you can score without taking any risk by playing with soft hands. Probably you would like to review your problems with big shots against spinners. The way you get out against spinners near the rope doesn't look good at all.

Aftab, my boy, are you having any kind of personal problems? If yes, then why not taking a break and have a good trip to some beautiful place? It would help you re-concentrate in your game. You need to stop playing across the line. How may times would you get out this way?

Ashraful, you are one of the reasons for which so many people in Bangladesh follow cricket. Please try to remember that words are never good enough. The only way to convince other about your effort is to perform. So shut your mouth off where it is un-necessary to open it. No advice for you is necessary at all. Work hard, inshallah you will get the reward. You might be interested to check the advice given for Junaid. It may help you as well.

Nazimuddin, You are not getting runs. It's common in the early days. Continue working hard. You will get the reward inshallah. Probably you need to work a little bit more to learn finding gaps in the off-side.

Shahriar Nafees, you know the dark hours are not forever. You are a good player. Due to some technical problems you are not getting runs against big opponents. You need really work hard to overcome your problem in playing those moving balls outside the off-stamp. Try to overcome footwork problem facing the sharp incoming deliveries. Siddons is the best guy there to help you about it.

cricket_dorshok
April 20, 2008, 01:09 PM
Make accountable every single one involved in BD cricket for their activities (BCB, Selectors, Coaches, Players) and take appropriate measure accordingly.

Rabz
April 20, 2008, 01:10 PM
Only constructive thing i can say at this moment:

Failure is the pillar of success.

We have soooo many pillars that we are running out of grounds.
Time to build on it.

Rifat
April 20, 2008, 01:15 PM
WarWolf, you seem like the type of selector we need :D brilliant advice

Rifat
April 20, 2008, 01:18 PM
another advice,

we are not a team who are used to playing cricket every month... we are the team who needs tremendous improvement on everything... the re are things we need to work from scratch, like how to respect yourseld, and come to realize when a match is lost the best thing you can do is play in such a way which will benefit you and the team.


try english county cricket, perchance those guys will show us how to play cricket "the standard way"

thebest
April 20, 2008, 01:21 PM
Here are my inputs:

Jamie Siddons: Always remember that you are handling some children. Please don't tell again that we do not expect to beat any big boy soon. Please retract that. It feels like they already surrendered against the big boy before the first ball was bowled. Also don't over praise. Then they would think that they have already achieves. Act like a parent of teenager. Soft but firm also remember our players are not Australian or the team can be molded into NZ. Pls use specialist.

Md. Ashraful: Please resign as captain. While batting forget about everything. Just concentrate on the next ball. Forget about captaincy, pressure to score run, pressure as being the premium batsman of the team
For God's sake enjoy the game. It seems to me at the moment you are not enjoying. Come back home and do not touch the bat, watch cricket for a week at least.

Mashrafe Mortaza: What happened to your bouncer and those incisive cutter.
Batting -stop premeditated shot. Remember the way you score using good cricketing shot.

Shahadat Hossain: Try to learn from Rasel how to use new ball. Use short stuff as surprise delivery not as stock delivery.

Farhad Reza: Please let the management know that you are not a opening bowler. After NZ I think you lose some pace. Please regain those.
Batting - power hitting is not everything.

Shakib Al Hasan: batting - learn where is your off stump. I feel sometime you are chasing the ball well outside off stump

Aftab Ahmed: I know you are undone three times by the umpire. Please go back to the things which bring you in the national team. Then integrate Siddon's suggestion. It seems to me you are trying to change your game completely.

Mahmudullah Riad: Batting - learn to rotate Bowling - ?.

Dhiman Ghosh: WK -Improve footwork, watch the ball till it settle in your gloves Batting: rotate strike, Go to Gym for muscle building and for the time being learn some percentage shot.

S Nafees: Same as Sakib.

Rasel: Don't be dishearthen. **** Happens

Team as a whole: Work on your fielding. I alarmed by the drop of quality of fielding as a unit.

Junaid/Raqib/Nazim - I did not see your batting much. But try to enjoy the game

Team Management: Stop dependency on spin. Too much LAS at the moment in the team. Please let an XI play for three match at a trot. And players should know from the beginning they should be evaluated after three match.

BCB: stop bringing player from u19 to national team. Allow foreigners to play in NCL. Improve quality of pitch. Ideally Six NCL team have six different types of wicket. for example Ctg may have seaming wicket; Khulna pacers paradise; Dhaka bouncy wicket; Sylhet low bouncy wicket; Rajshai Dust Bowl; Barisal So called patta wicket

Bengali Bum
April 20, 2008, 01:26 PM
We're not athletes (BD people in general).. too small for any sports.
Bangladesh needs to stop playing cricket all together.
so people like me will not loose sleep over some morons who fail miserably every time.

by the way, Horse jockey wud be a good sports for us. lol.

AsifTheManRahman
April 20, 2008, 01:45 PM
Siddons: Look man, we're no Australia. The sooner you realize that, the better. We won't take advantage of power plays; we won't win matches with bits and pieces players; and we will do no good to ourselves leaving performers out of the XI. #3 needs someone who can build an inning, so please have Aftab sit out. Given his current form, I doubt he's good for the #6 position either. Please make Ashraful carry drinks - it doesn't really matter who the captain is, because I doubt there's anyone in the team who can do an outstanding job anyways. Bring Rasel back in - he's performed in the past, and will do so again. Play four fast bowlers in most pitches and please don't bother including an extra batsman in the side.

Tamim: Good going. Just try to keep your feet on the ground and your head down, and you should be fine.

Nafees: Having problems with the quick moving ball? Would dropping down to the middle order help? Talk to the coach. Let him know. Keep up the hard work - go back to the nets and practice hard. You've done it against Australia - you can definitely do it against anyone else.

Aftab: The bat is not a sword. I don't know what that knock on the head against South Africa did to you, but please try to remember the 50 against Ireland, the patient test innings against South Africa and the ODI win against the same opponent. That's how ODI cricket should be played. The way you're batting right now is ridiculous. International batsmen are supposed to know better. Please knock some sense into yourself.

Ashraful: Drop yourself, please. If you think reaching double figures is a great achievement, there's not much that someone with a sane mind can say. Don't captain Bangladesh, and don't bat for her. Please go back to the nets, to domestic cricket and try not to give away your wicket; and don't give me the "I always get unlucky" crap. After a hundred and fifteen matches or so, you don't deserve to get unlucky.

Shakib: Good job getting back to form. Bat bat bat. Bowl bowl bowl. Keep it up.

Mahmudullah: Talk to a bowling coach. Continue to put a price on your wicket.

Farhad: Keep on working away. You've got a good stretch of games, and are in good terms with the coach, as it seems. Don't let this opportunity slip away.

Razzak: Work on your variations. Something's obviously not working. Talk to a bowling coach.

Dhiman: Not much to say here. Just don't let your batting suffer because of the failures of the top and middle orders. Work hard on your keeping.

Mashrafe: I see that you're working hard. You've been pretty decent in this series, but we need you to be better than that. We need you to bowl like you did against India in the world cup.

Shahadat: For God's sake, you are no Shoaib or Lee. So don't pitch it short on a flat track. Just don't.

Rasel: We're all behind you. Keep up the good work, and Siddons will be bound to pick and stick with you.

Junaid: Talk to Siddons. Talk, bat, talk, bat. Remember New Zealand? Yeah, you obviously have it in you.

Nazimuddin: Who are you?

Rakibul: Don't get discouraged by the management's selection gambles. Do what you have to do, and push for a middle order (perhaps even the #3) spot. You can definitely make it.

tanvir_nus
April 20, 2008, 02:10 PM
Jammie Siddons is not getting his message across to the players. If you notice even during the matches he is never near the team rather just having a blank look. He should be constantly charging and recharging a team with limited capabilities such as ours. Aminal Islam Bulbul should seriously be considered for the tigers, dont forget his track record, the highest education as a coach and the highest success as a coach of a local club (Abohoni which went went on to become champions for 2007 and runners up this year if i am not wrong). I think he is the best candidate for Bangladesh's coach at this point.

Ashraful said today in his interview during the match that there is a team rule and he is trying to adapt to that. What Siddons is doing is trying to change the batting culture of the team, but what he doesnt understand is that he is pushing back our players by hampering the normal slow development of theirs to learning, relearning and a unlearning process the result of which is evident on the performance of our batsman today.

Ashraful: He is really getting out at bad times, the team and the fans look out for him. The fact that the team is not winning is putting more pressure on him because if he performs we win. Something tells me he is not low on confidence but thinking too much about his cricket in the middle. I can only suggest him to look for singles and not play hooks and pulls against good fast bowlers.

Tamim: You are ok
Sakib: You are fine
Junaed: Lacking confidence, its bursting out for everyone to see. Before he would charge down bowlers and try to dominate now he is too circumspect for his type of batting. Another Siddons disaster.

Shahriar Nafees: One of my favourite tigers. He is one of our most technically correct batsman, he has become more spontaneous in his batting after the world cup but I think the problem lies after he gets set. He becomes less careful. I would get everyone to correct his flaws because I rate him as our top asset.

Mashrafe: Lose weight period, stop bringing your left foot out of the crease every time you play a fast bowler it's seriously irritating, develop an outswinger eventhough it might be the hardest thing with your action, work on your pace.

Rasel: to me he is not good enough to play at this level, he doesnt have pace he doesnt have swing, can only seam at suitable conditions, would love to replace him with sajedul who showed promise with livelier pace and swing.

Sahadat: The thread has some good suggestions on him.

Riyad: holds a very very very important position in a batting line up. I want to see Ashraful in that position. Number 6 is the middle or the backbone of a team. He needs to play according to the situation. Riyad is very good on the on side but limited on the off side and can hardly drive well. He was thought to be a big hitter of the ball but i have not seen any proof of that. He needs to be groomed and spoken to about his responsibilities. Personally I don't think he is ready for this position yet but i kinda like him. He runs hard, bowls off spin, probably is the fittest in the team and can hold one end for some time. So he needs to be invested well.

Great... after trying to find the positives I am going to post now in the vua shob vua thead to face some harsh realities...

Last advice: pray hard for the next 5 years... i don't think we have seen anything yet, those dreadful teary 5/6 years (2000-2005/2006) seems like a paradise from where we are now

zahid
April 20, 2008, 02:27 PM
We're not athletes (BD people in general).. too small for any sports.
Bangladesh needs to stop playing cricket all together.
so people like me will not loose sleep over some morons who fail miserably every time.

by the way, Horse jockey wud be a good sports for us. lol.

Are you talking about the Height factor? Heard of Tendulkar?

Umar
April 20, 2008, 03:38 PM
My advice is : Forget cricket ...start playing HADU DU DU

Snowman
April 20, 2008, 04:21 PM
Bangladesh needs to work on their basics. Thats all I can say and stop making the same mistakes. The T20 game, they got out but they all tried to hit the ball what can i say. We still have a long way to go, as fans we just have to be supportive i guess.

Sovik
April 20, 2008, 04:54 PM
Hang up your boots. try to find something else as profession

Eshen
April 20, 2008, 05:06 PM
BCB: Getting humiliated in hands of other international teams so often is not helping. Consider giving up test status (temporarily) in exchange for promises from cricket boards of test playing countries that they will still honor the FTP for ODIs and will host us for atleast two FC and two list-A matches each tour. Also, pursue them aggressively to send their A-teams more often to Bangladesh so that our national team can play against them.

If the national team still have big gapes in their fixture, pursue our neighboring countries to give us entries into domestic tournaments that are relatively short and exclusively for best players of those countries i.e. Duleep Trophy (India), Pentagular Cup (Pakistan), and Inter-provincial Tournament (Sri Lanka).

Sovik
April 20, 2008, 05:08 PM
BCB: Getting humiliated in hands of other international teams so often is not helping. Consider giving up test status (temporarily) in exchange for promises from cricket boards of test playing countries that they will still honor the FTP for ODIs and will host us for atleast two FC and two list-A matches each tour. Also, pursue them aggressively to send their A-teams more often to Bangladesh so that our national team can play against them.

thats not gonna help us at all. but we don't need to give up test status. other test playing nations wouldn't want to play test against us. we still haven't got a series in India and Australia wants to play only ODIs and soon few other will also follow them

Eshen
April 20, 2008, 05:23 PM
Sovik, you are right, Bangladesh will be eventually forced out of test cricket if we keep playing like this (and I don't see reason to believe there will be any dramatic improvement in the team performance anytime soon). But, instead of getting kicked out, it's still not too late for us to leave the test arena on our own term.

Russell2k7
April 20, 2008, 05:27 PM
Yes many of the fans are skeptical about leaving test arena. I wouldnt mind leaving test arena while other team promises us more ODIS and FC games. Test is not just our problems its the ODIs, 20/20 basically the basic nature of cricket that our problems.

ehteshamul
April 20, 2008, 05:42 PM
Performance Analysis

From the outcome of results so far I do not see BD improve on their performance under Siddons.

A coach’s job is to correct flaw’s of batsmen, improve bowler’s shortcomings and also fielding and come with smart tactical plans so that they could at least put up a fight with the opposition. Excepting 3rd one dayer nothing of that sort happened .Siddons certainly lacks vision, game plan and low on motivating our cricket team

A large part of Pakistan’s success was due to Salman Butt and Kamran Akmal’s belligerent batting. Did Siddons and Ashraful think and plan their weaknesses so that they could be dismissed early. None was evident and they went onto plunder Bd bowlers with ease.

It was a shocking and poor gameplan from BD coach and Captain that they could not analyze and exploit the weaknesses of the aforementioned batsmen

It is true Pakisatan’s ’pace attack is quality stuff and has no comparison with that of ours in terms of speed and variations.

Wasn’t it Siddons duty to teach our brittle top order find ways and means to negotiate that.

Except for Tammim, Saqib, Riyad and Dhiman rest meekly surrendered.

The solution for our present plight is very simple we need specialist coaches on all departments
Bowling – Bring variation, step up speed. Also develop 3 genuine pacers not 2 which is our current trend.

Build fast bouncy pitches and send deserving batsmen them to Australian Cricket Academy to rectify weaknesses.

Siddons should be confined to being a batting coach.

BD should hire a Head coach for tactical matters which was found wanting.
Bowling and fielding coach is a must for the future.

I do not think Bangladesh is as bad as the results are showing. It is more of tactical blunders from Coach/Captain and ineffectiveness of top order to fire and lack of wicket taking abilities from our pacemen in the initial stages that resulted in our poor performance

On current situation

Ashraful and Nafees should be given a break. Siddon’s job is to correct their mistakes.

Tamim, Saqib, Riyad, Dhiman did okay and should be retained.

Aftab’s case is more of a tactical blunder from Siddon/Ashraful for playing him at No 3 position.

What is more surprising is that he was persisted in that position despite repeated failures.
Had somebody else been sent in that position Aftab could have contributed better down the order. Nazimuddin/Rakib could have easily filled up that position

Tacticswise both Siddosn/Ashraful falls well below standard and this is one of the reason for Bangladesh’s disastrous results.

Tacticwise, Confidence and Motivationwise I think Whatmore was way ahead of Siddons.

All the upsets that Bangladesh caused were under Whatmore. Isn’t that true ?

What has Siddons achieved for us so far ? The results are there to speak.

I understand when BCCB hired Siddons they did not have a better option and some of their preferred choices earlier backed out.

I think BD should appeal to ICC to help them out with a Head coach.

We also need Bowling and fielding coaches as well.

Once again I think we are not bad as the results are showing against Pakistan.
We need proper Coaches, Academy training, Good leader , Right Selection and tactics, right pitches and play more with last 4 cricketing nations positionwise

This is not to undermine our position rather it will help us to see our gradual progress.

Playing against the top four and getting massacred can demoralize a team.

Also a coach that motivates a team in times of success and defeat ( Siddons have been found wanting in this respect- He keeps on saying it will take 2 years to reach a higher level by which time his contract with BCCB will end irrespective whether BD improves or not)

Eshen
April 20, 2008, 05:48 PM
I somehow think other cricket boards are willing to help us by letting us play against their A-teams or giving us entries into their elite FC leagues, they are probably just waiting for our cry for help. We are holding ourselves back in the fear that if our national team lose matches against foreign FC teams, we will be severely criticized as an unworthy test nation (as happened in the past).

At this point, we are not doing ourselves any favor by holding on to the test status. What we need is a right mixture of exposure to FC and international cricket. We know very well that NCL is nothing but a mockery of FC cricket, and there won't be any dramatic rise in the standard of this league anytime soon. Only way our players can get exposure to proper FC cricket is playing matches against foreign FC teams. At this point, I don't see any other way but to give up our pride - our test status, so that our players can get a proper FC experience.

ZaKi
April 20, 2008, 06:18 PM
You tell me that they dont know all these. If yes, they should n't be playing international cricket then.

It simple they just dont learn even after being told all these words 10000 times.

So far, This is the best reply. E-)

Yameen
April 20, 2008, 06:27 PM
Siddons: Mate, I don't think you are good enough to be the head coach of an international team. BCB should promote Sujon as the national team manager (like a real team manager, not an administrative manager), and keep Siddons as a batting coach.

Ashraful: Please give up captaincy and concentrate on your batting.

Totally agree with you, also Siddons should realise that he is not coaching a domestic team in Australia, it is a growing sub continent team and not only should he concentrate on coaching the team, he also has a role in trying to integrate into the way cricket is played in Bangladesh and maybe also the culture and the background of Bangladesh as a nation. I feel he dosnt seem to relate to the players at all other than in cricketing terms, Whatmore was very good at this and was a very good mentor to them. Perhaps have him as batting coach as Eshen rightly said.

Spot on about Ash, captaincy has ruined this guy as he simply not ready for such commitment. Watching him give that short interview during the tail end of the bangladesh innings made me feel very sad with the way he was trying to describe his form of late; captaincy of a under pressure young team is not a very easy thing to do at all, and giving it to him at such stage in his career where he was starting to become more consistant (WC 07- SL tour) was a massive gamble on his own performance which miserably failed in the end. He is the greatest batsman we have ever produced and we all love to see him shine..I would just love it if he resigned from captaincy himself and put pressure on this joke of a cricket board to find another captain.

sadi
April 20, 2008, 07:09 PM
Jamie Siddons: Always remember that you are handling some children. Please don't tell again that we do not expect to beat any big boy soon. Please retract that. It feels like they already surrendered against the big boy before the first ball was bowled. Also don't over praise. Then they would think that they have already achieves. Act like a parent of teenager. Soft but firm also remember our players are not Australian or the team can be molded into NZ. Pls use specialist.

Best advice IMO. Right now, the team looks confused. Most of the batsmen can't adjust. We are simply not good enough.

Zunaid
April 20, 2008, 07:26 PM
We are simply not good enough.

Is this it? I am afraid it is. Not that this will detract me from supporting my beloved Tigers. At least, having learned this lesson I am immune from shocks to the old system. I will enjoy the successes the Tigers achieve. I will gloss over the failures. No matter how many. I will live long. And prosper. I will not be wont to post threads where we want X to be dropped, picked, made captain, hung from the yard rail, given juta pituni, made the president, be my daughter's Jamai, be the new CA, be moved to Guantanamo, et al ad nauseum. Fans, be realistic and enjoy the game.

gadha
April 20, 2008, 07:36 PM
This is the coupel of players that shoudl be included int he team because bringing in young players is not really working. These U19 players need to play domestic cricket and it is not appropriate for them to put in to the national side at an early age. I really feel the problem of bd cricket is the age factor. These are the group of players that need to be selected and played for the next 4 series (tri series, Asia cup, Australia, SA) before changing the team. Keep on changing players is nto the way to go.
1)Tamim Iqbal, our best opener in all 3 phases of the game
2)Nafees Iqbal, I want to include him. Brother and brother can work well together??
3)Dhiman Ghosh, I want him to move up the order. I am sick of seeing top order batsmen getting out and put the team in a serious whole.
4)Shakib al Hasan, Best suiter for this position as he can really keep kool and if gets set can score big.
5)Md Ashraful, imagine md ashraful coming in around 20-40 overs(not stayign for that long but coming in around that range), rotation fo the strike and he is the best at doign that.
6) Mahmudullah Riyad, he can also rotate striek and a genuine middle order batsman
7)Aftab Ahmad, natural spot, need big hits here is your man
8)Mashrafee Murtaza( best fast bowler for bd)
9)Abdur Razzak, no question asked
10)Shahadat Hossain, give him games, he needs experience
11) Syed Rasel, should open the spell with mashrafee, they are good pair.
12)Farhad Reza, give him practice, can be valuable
13)Nazimuddin, can replace aftab if aftab really doesnt get it.
14)Shahriar Nafees, needs some time off but give him practice.
15)Junaed Siddique, i only prefer him to play in the test to get his confidence back before putting him into the ODI.
16) Raqibul Hasan, can rotate strike and replace if aftab and nazimudding both fails.

Please post comments. I want to hear about my analysis. I really feel these guys need to be selscted for atleast those series mentioned above before thinkign about anythign else.

Eshen
April 20, 2008, 07:37 PM
Invest more on coaches program. Make sure each division has one batting and one bowling coach (one of whom will be the head coach for the division). Have specialized batting, spin bowling, fast bowling, fielding, and keeping coaches who will run coaching programs (week long or month long) during off season. Make sure NCL teams start their pre-season training atleast a month ahead of start of the tournament. And yes, have different kind of pitches on different fields - green seaming pitches on Rajshahi, Bogra, and Fatullah; low slow spinning tracks on Mirpur and Khulna; and a hard bouncy flat deck on Chittagong.

djnaved
April 20, 2008, 07:50 PM
1)Tamim Iqbal, our best opener in all 3 phases of the game
2)Nafees Iqbal, I want to include him. Brother and brother can work well together??
3)Dhiman Ghosh, I want him to move up the order. I am sick of seeing top order batsmen getting out and put the team in a serious whole.
4)Shakib al Hasan, Best suiter for this position as he can really keep kool and if gets set can score big.
5)Md Ashraful, imagine md ashraful coming in around 20-40 overs(not stayign for that long but coming in around that range), rotation fo the strike and he is the best at doign that. 6) Mahmudullah Riyad, he can also rotate striek and a genuine middle order batsman
7)Aftab Ahmad, natural spot, need big hits here is your man
8)Mashrafee Murtaza( best fast bowler for bd)
9)Abdur Razzak, no question asked
10)Shahadat Hossain, give him games, he needs experience
11) Syed Rasel, should open the spell with mashrafee, they are good pair.
12)Farhad Reza, give him practice, can be valuable
13)Nazimuddin, can replace aftab if aftab really doesnt get it.
14)Shahriar Nafees, needs some time off but give him practice.
15)Junaed Siddique, i only prefer him to play in the test to get his confidence back before putting him into the ODI.
16) Raqibul Hasan, can rotate strike and replace if aftab and nazimudding both fails.

Please post comments. I want to hear about my analysis. I really feel these guys need to be selscted for atleast those series mentioned above before thinkign about anythign else.

man, i don't agree with the follwing bold lines, raqibul hasan should be replaced by ashrafool. we already got it in pak series, what ash is capable of. Aftab should be out of the team, played 80 matches, but still no centuries, not even in the domestic cricket..

Russell2k7
April 20, 2008, 08:04 PM
Is this it? I am afraid it is. Not that this will detract me from supporting my beloved Tigers. At least, having learned this lesson I am immune from shocks to the old system. I will enjoy the successes the Tigers achieve. I will gloss over the failures. No matter how many. I will live long. And prosper. I will not be wont to post threads where we want X to be dropped, picked, made captain, hung from the yard rail, given juta pituni, made the president, be my daughter's Jamai, be the new CA, be moved to Guantanamo, et al ad nauseum. Fans, be realistic and enjoy the game.

Your daughter oder kei Jaru dei pitaibo. But surely things are not that gloomy as we still have tri series coming up in June and matches with Aus and SA. I am pretty sure Siddions and Ashraful will have at least one trick up their sleeve. Sure I was very pissed during this whole series but one positive during the whole series was that the second half of third ODI was the best experience I had with the Tigers. It was even bigger and better than Cardiff, and the WC 2007. Only if Tamim Iqbal wasn't run out then we wouldnt be even having this conversation.

Shehwar
April 20, 2008, 08:26 PM
I really miss JO

DJ Sahastra
April 20, 2008, 10:22 PM
1. Cut down the number of international fixtures with top teams.
2. Use the time to strengthen domestic fixtures.
3. Work on players weaknesses. No one seems bothered to correct their inherent weaknesses as every 50 or 100 from a player saves his career for next 10-20 matches.
4. Captain needs to be held more accountable, both for his batting and teams show.
5. Give an extended run to players picked up. Once dropped after an extended run, don't pick them up till they overcame the flaws that caused hem to be dropped.
6. Merely match-strategy is not enough. There has to be Plan-B & Plan-C and they need adherence. A couple of wickets down early on is no big-deal but definitely needs t be taken into account by the next batsman.

pocha
April 20, 2008, 10:26 PM
The only way to progress is to shed this blind infatuation with our talented players which they are not. Lets be honest and face that this team lacks ability to play at the top level. I would be happy if we take a sabbatical from test cricket and play only first class cricket for a while. Lets work on our technique, the basic skills first which we severely lack. I suggest we create a pool of players and let all of them play first class cricketin SL/Pak/India etc. Then show results in first class leagues of other countries. Then come back and play test cricket.

Those who think that that will be death of bangladesh cricket are wrong. Be honest.

nsd3
April 20, 2008, 10:41 PM
Lipu said players will be asked on what was wrong and what could be done in future. Some are asking to implement cash penalty if performance is not up to the mark. Team commitment, failing to obey team rules were discussed by BCB.
http://www.ittefaq.com/content/2008/04/21/news0546.htm

kalpurush
April 20, 2008, 10:53 PM
[quote=arafath79;684381]Only advice is to improve domestic cricket structure with gym, sporting wickets, bowling machine. good coach and trainer.
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Well said.:)
Thank you, Arafath bhai.

kalpurush
April 20, 2008, 10:55 PM
[quote=arafath79;684381]

1) Kick Ashrafool out of the team forever.
quote]
Now, this is less thoughtfull, unfortunately.:)

kalpurush
April 20, 2008, 11:00 PM
Jamie Siddons: go back to australia, we don't need you anymore

Md. Ashraful: go back to 3rd division cricket league, i hope u can score double hundreds
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Still angry, eh? ;)

kalpurush
April 20, 2008, 11:08 PM
1. Cut down the number of international fixtures with top teams.
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...and play with the likes of China? Nice one, dulavai.;)E-)

kalpurush
April 20, 2008, 11:10 PM
Hang up your boots. try to find something else as profession
Sovik Bhai, let me buy you a drink...seems thursty!?;)

Electrequiem
April 20, 2008, 11:11 PM
Advice for Tigers?

Thanks, but I prefer not to have my words fall on deaf ears. Any advice for these bolods is utterly useless.

DJ Sahastra
April 20, 2008, 11:14 PM
...and play with the likes of China? Nice one, dulavai.;)E-)

IMO, a 5-ODI last minute series with pakistan was totally uncalled for. Similar such adventurous fixtures should be avoided. I also feel BD is playing way too many games in short times. It is not letting them analyse what was done wrongly in the previous series.

Any fixture against such topteam should be preceded by training and conditioning camps (no not the military drill).

kalpurush
April 20, 2008, 11:15 PM
Advice for Tigers?

Thanks, but I prefer not to have my words fall on deaf ears. Any advice for these bolods is utterly useless.
That is smart!:D

kalpurush
April 20, 2008, 11:21 PM
I also feel BD is playing way too many games in short times. It is not letting them analyse what was done wrongly in the previous series.

Any fixture against such topteam should be preceded by training and conditioning camps (no not the military drill).
Ditto.:up::)
Also, there should be practice matches too while we play away series.

Electrequiem
April 20, 2008, 11:24 PM
That is smart!:D

Isn't it, :D?

DJ...I reckon you are right. I suggest BD take a 5 year hiatus from world cricket till they can get their act (or lack of it) together. That will replenish the hopes of fans, too. Right now, I don't know about others, but I don't see ANY silver lining. :(

BANFAN
April 21, 2008, 01:16 AM
Either it is team rules or performance. You can't chose both.

A player can follow the teamrules and make no contribution to the team, what so ever.

A player may be able to contribute without following the team rules.

I would preffer an incentive and penalty system related with their performance. Only team rules will make some timid obedient servants, not a world class player. If we don't want the middle order to play on the ground (Team Rule) we should select players who are naturally doing it at the domestic level. zmost of the team rules will automatically be followed, by making a good selection of players. Players have to play their natural game. We can't expect Tamim to play like Rajin. If Rajin is required we should select Rajin, if Tamim is needed, we sellect Tamim.

Performance related incentives and penalties are the most effective way to encourage creativity and talent. We must introduce a system which will penalize or reawrd proportionately to their performance. That's the only way, if we like to improve.

nsd3
April 21, 2008, 01:34 AM
Performance related incentives and penalties are the most effective way to encourage creativity and talent. We must introduce a system which will penalize or reawrd proportionately to their performance. That's the only way, if we like to improve.
Lipu said players will be asked on what was wrong and what could be done in future. Some are asking to implement cash penalty if performance is not up to the mark. Team commitment, failing to obey team rules were discussed by BCB.
http://www.ittefaq.com/content/2008/04/21/news0546.htm

BCB looks like thinking that way now.

Ashfaqur
April 21, 2008, 03:07 AM
Guys I just don't know what to say. It seems that no matter how much advice we give to our players, its never heard. Even a kid learns by watching and listening but no, not our Bangla Tigeresses. I mean how many times do they need to get out while playing cross bat before they realise that thats a bad option. Look at Mohammad Yousuf. That guy never plays a cross bat unless ofcouse you need to. But since this thread is about advice for our players, I might say something afterall.

Jamie Siddons: For Heaven's Sake man :mad: you need to be more strict with the players. Give them a kick or two in their arse. Improve their fielding. Get the bowlers to bowl the other team out. Encourage the top order to rotate stike. And please show them how to defend the ball. Sometimes I think our players can't hit the ball but when I see them getting out while trying to defend the ball, thats just kills me.

Tamim: Bhai amar, please use your front foot when you go for a ball outside the off stump. And please don't leave you wicket exposed to the bowler when you come down the wicket.

Nazim Uddin: Try to learn to play with straight bat. During the T20 against Pak, all the shots you played were cross bat. Learn to rotate the stike.

Aftab: Dude, you are just crazy :timeout:. Unless you promise to play sensibly, you sould not be included in the teams. Because of players like you, our middle order batsmen are exposed to the new ball which they struggle to play.

Ashraful: Do the sensible thing and give up captaincy :waiting:. You have talent but you tend to get out playing stupid, unnecessary shots.

Sakib and Mahmud: I am proud of you lads :notworthy:. You guys do what the top order batsmen fail to do. Which is to keep calm and get the score ticking through singles.

Farhad: You have batting talent, but should practice more. Bowling wise, please don't give half volley wide balls. Try to reduce your pace a bit and concentrate on the line and length.

Mash and Razzak: Mash try to be consistent with your bowling line and try more variations. Such as slow, in-swing, short etc. Razzak, reduce pace and improve line. And practice more batting.

Shahadat: I feel like beating the day nights out of you. You have pace but you give too many short balls. Look at Mohammad Asifs bowling or Umer Gul's. Bowl just ourside the off stump. And please please learn more variations. You can be a dangerous bowler if you can perfect slower delivery.

abu2abu
April 21, 2008, 04:27 AM
in my humble opinion, the current crop need to play in more professional leagues when not on international duty (such as the Pura cup in Oz and county cricket in the UK) to improve. The game is played so much more professionally in these countries that the lads could only benefit from the exposure.

Razzak is playing in the IPL, great. but what about Shakib, Shahadat, ashraful and tamim? These guys should get contracts with county and state teams. I can't understand why an english county does not see the value of a bangladeshi spinner (like razzak for limited overs or enamul haque jnr for 4 day cricket) or an audacious strokemaker for T20s (Aftab ahmed would be ideal for T20 cricket).

we should also look at allowing at least one overseas player to participate in the NCL to improve the quality of our domestic cricket long term...

mahbubH
April 21, 2008, 05:24 AM
...... .

Good post Ash! I also think in the same way! Welcome to BC.

BANFAN
April 21, 2008, 05:28 AM
in my humble opinion, the current crop need to play in more professional leagues when not on international duty (such as the Pura cup in Oz and county cricket in the UK) to improve. The game is played so much more professionally in these countries that the lads could only benefit from the exposure.

Razzak is playing in the IPL, great. but what about Shakib, Shahadat, ashraful and tamim? These guys should get contracts with county and state teams. I can't understand why an english county does not see the value of a bangladeshi spinner (like razzak for limited overs or enamul haque jnr for 4 day cricket) or an audacious strokemaker for T20s (Aftab ahmed would be ideal for T20 cricket).
..............

I have seen such suggestions in the past as well, but you probably seem to not understand that, pura cup or County or any overseas tournaments are not at your disposal. They have their plans, why do you think that they will allow us to take part there? Why do some people think that, it can be manipulated, is beyond my understanding.

abu2abu
April 21, 2008, 05:47 AM
I have seen such suggestions in the past as well, but you probably seem to not understand that, pura cup or County or any overseas tournaments are not at your disposal. They have their plans, why do you think that they will allow us to take part there? Why do some people think that, it can be manipulated, is beyond my understanding.

BANFAN, do you even understand what I have written? what do you mean by "pura cup or County or any overseas tournaments are not at your disposal"? I'm saying we should make a concerted effort for our players to participate in these events. I'm not pretending I'm the first to think of this, Bashar said as much recently in his recent interview with miraz bhai.

Overseas players are permitted to play in county cricket (plenty of australians and south africans are doing it now) and the same is true of some Aussie doemestic competitions. I was suggesting individual players be recruited for some of these competitions, not that Bangladesh participate as a team.

For the record, even if I were suggesting this, it is not beyond the realms of possibility. bangladesh played as the guest team in the ranji trophy in 2003 and Ireland and scotland participate in the Friends Provident Trophy in England. zimbabwe recently competed (as a country) in a south african doemstic tournament.

If you are unsure as to what i mean, please just ask rather than embarassing yourself with a peurile and poorly-argued response.

abu2abu
April 21, 2008, 05:58 AM
My mistake, I meant the Duleep Trophy rather than the Ranji. the Duleep trophy includes a "guest team" every year. This year, England A was the guest team in 2003 it was BD...

zainab
April 21, 2008, 06:06 AM
My advice is for Siddons to rethink his strategy. since he has been coach the team is getting worse. he is experimenting too much, the young guys are getting confused, dont know which way to go, they are abandoning their passion for cricket, seems confused, team rules are not working.
He should have a month long camp before the Tri-series and Asia cup.
Maybe he is not the right coach for BD cricket. Too many mistakes and bad decisions.

jeesh
April 21, 2008, 06:39 AM
Too early to blame Siddons Zainab. Whatmore had a major advantage in the sense he had a lot of senior guys in the side. Siddons doesnt have that luxury- the so called most senior player thinks no better than a rash hot headed teenager. It will take a mammoth effort to pick this BD team up. You bring in Tom Moody or even John Buchanan, things wont change much. But i do hope Siddons raises his voice about BD's selection policy, because thats something these high profile coaches would do.

Sovik
April 21, 2008, 06:57 AM
Sovik Bhai, let me buy you a drink...seems thursty!?;)

it strictly has to be pineapple

crikfreak
April 21, 2008, 08:07 AM
siddons : dude.. u're the head coach, behave like one.. seriously.. you should be the batting coach.. not head.. and plz.. try not to be so negative.. you might call it being realistic.. but its still negative.. i mean.. when a coach says that i expect a 5-0 whitewash before the start of the series.. what kind of a mindset do you expect from the players? i think you and the players don't have a very good bond.. dav had that.. try to create it.. and don't try to make the players do something they are incapable of.. like making tamim play straight down the ground.. he can't do that.. he hits.. people like mahmud take singles and stay on the ground..

ashraful : please.. paye pori.. retire from captaincy.. you are making a fool of yourself and embarrasing the country as well.. and plz plz plz.. never say things like "i got into double figures in 3 games" and "i think i'm batting well" infront of the media.. i mean.. what kind of a captain is happy with JUST double figures?? that too in a few games?? and oh yeah.. stop saying "yeah obviously" for everything.. its seriously irritating..

aftab : WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??? man.. get a grip.. bat more like a top order batsman or just rest for a while.. a top order batsman.. and yet not a century under your belt.. why??

whole team : field properly.. behave like a team on the field.. we need team effort..don't remember last time bd fielding was so poor.. sloppy fielding will not do..
interact with the coach.. listen to him.. try and follow "the team rule"

top order batsman: dont panic.. if runs are not coming.. just wait patiently and take singles.. don't just try a loose shot and give your wicket away.. what good will that do?? make bowlers fight for your wicket.. don't gift it to them..

Tigers_eye
April 21, 2008, 09:34 AM
1st, Thank you for opening a thread like this. I was going to do that myself and pondered all weekend long on few things. You just made my job way easy.
Dr. Z! Sounds good. Lets see what comments our members offer over the next couple of days and then I could incorporate them into an article over the course of the week. Though I must say the initial responses are NOT what I was looking for.

People! The idea is to offer something positive to the players preferably on an individual basis i.e. speak directly to them as if you were giving advice to your own BROTHER/SON/favourite NEPHEW.
Since dropping x and dropping y is not the answer and members here have more understanding on the players ability, I will focus on somewhere else.

J Siddons:
Positive Feedback:
I love the new Tamim that you have made. The one I knew could only hit the ball hard and charge down fast bowlers. Wasn't very optimistic of that Tamim to hang around for a while. The new Tamim 2.0 version is smart, Thinks and plays the game. Uuuu!! An opener we needed like yesterday. Can we have some more marble pitched practices please?

The new Shakib needs more time. Keep doing what you are doing with him as well. But make sure he finishes his studies first. Direct him in hte right channel.

Suggestions:
1. Shot in the arm of self belief: The team is looking for an identity. They are down. The hardest of speeches are the ones which are shared in a losing locker room. Construct your words carefully and make sure these boys understand what you are saying. Communication is the key (If needed get a translator - Atahar would be a good fit).

2. Captaincy: We all know the reality. We are number nine and there is a huge gap between number nine and the rest of the number eight teams. They are better in Batting and bowling, in terms of experience, performance, skills, application so on so forth. To get a win against them we have to rely on "miracle". This is a fact and I am not denying that. What if the miracle doesn't happen in two years time?

For this miracle to happen few stars need to align first for the BD Cricket team. This can be done by the way. We must field flawlessly (doable) and take wickets either from opponents mistakes or from creating an environment so that the opponent make mistakes.

Creating the environment can be done only by good captaincy. Proactive, reactive, aggressive, ever changing with the situation are just few things. Since our captain has no previous significant experience in captaining and if we want to win, then you must do something to educate the captain on how to react in game situations. (a) May be play few games against the Academy boys and you be in the middle and teach Ash hands on what things can be done. You were a long time captain yourself and should know what to do in different situations. (b) Show him films of any Ponting matches where they were facing hard times and how his captaincy changed the match. Not taking the 3rd powerplay at over # 16 when the opponent didn't lose any wicket or just lost one wicket. Mix it up a little. I will give a small example from the Game five match. This was on the 46th over. Here is a commentary from Cricinfo:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=446 bgColor=#eeeeee border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2>Farhad Reza is back into the attack.</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right width=30>45.1</TD><TD width="100%">Farhad Reza to Misbah-ul-Haq, 2 runs, driven down the ground to long on, comes back quickly for the second run. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right width=30>45.2</TD><TD width="100%">Farhad Reza to Misbah-ul-Haq, 2 runs, plays down the ground to wide long on for couple of runs. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right width=30>45.3</TD><TD width="100%">Farhad Reza to Misbah-ul-Haq, no run, moves forward and drives to mid-off. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right width=30>45.4</TD><TD width="100%">Farhad Reza to Misbah-ul-Haq, 2 runs, good full delivery and Misbah pushes softly down the ground to long off, this is poor fielding as they complete the second run. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right width=30>45.5</TD><TD width="100%">Farhad Reza to Misbah-ul-Haq, 1 run, plays to short thirdman for a single. </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right width=30>45.6</TD><TD width="100%">Farhad Reza to Shoaib Malik, 2 runs, mistimes the drive down the ground to long on, another couple of runs. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

If you had watched the game the way Misbah took the runs in the first ball, a good captain after the first ball would have brought in the long on fielder 5 to 10 steps inside. That would stop the flow of bleeding a little. Sometimes a good captain must react during the game as the match unfolds. May be we could create a runout chance, may be the batsmen then needed to change tactics, take more risk to get a four or something instead of the customary single (in the 46th over), at least instead of 9 runs of the over we could concede 6 runs. At the end all runs are counted. Changing 4 doubles into singles is equal to saving a four and not giving opponents any runs.

We have to create our own half chances and that can only be done by good captaincy. Very seldom we see two slips when Mash or Shahadat is bowling. Why? They can't bowl in the right area? Captaincy alone can hide or expose faults on a fielding team.

This is something you need to fix ASAP. Send messages while observing the game, make Ash/captain think. Wins doesn't come in golden platters when one is playing against better teams. You have to take advantage every possible way you can within the rules ofcourse.

Once again we are all with you win or lose.

Computer analyst:
I don't care who says what but you are the most important team member in my eyes. Everything starts with you. Be it creating strategy, and giving information to the selectors on players, focusing on opponents weaknesses you are the "MAN". Before any series it is your duty to do the SWOT analysis (Strength, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats), do the SMART analysis (Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic and Timely) (with video analysis on opponent players and teams). From your analysis selectors would select the 15 out of the core 22. From your analysis coaches would create practice sessions for the players. If the players practice a similar enviroment that they would face, the game becomes easy already. Understand the position you hold and it's importance.

Selectors:
I could be harsh but I would not. Get your core 22-25 players ready and get assistance from the computer analyst on stats of the players. Any additional statistical data would make your life a lot simplier. Stick to your belief but also try to improve the process of selection by making it transparent. Learn from the previous mistakes made by you and others.

BCB:
The ultimate blame goes to the CEO or to the board of members for any failure (for any organization). You are also accountable. Ranting to improve domestic cricket and looking at the factual information is a failure in the making.

1. Things to ponder:
a) Home court: Currently in National league, Barisal plays their home matches in Bogura, Sylhet plays in Fatullah. You expect people of bogura to support Barisal when there is a match against Rajshahi? What home court advantage does the these two teams enjoy? How are you going to get the crowd invloved? Who is going to watch the four day matches? Let those two teams have their own divisional stadium and improve domestic infra structure.

b) Academy team: Either Fatullah or Bogura can be their permanent home. The facilities are there. Some minor adjustment can be made. Go away from BKSP and Dhanmondi. Those can be used for other purposes.

c) Increase standard of Domestic Cricket: Well if the national players stays out of the domestic cricket (National league) then I suggest add an experienced international player or two (from other countries) in the national league teams.

d) Decentralise Cricket: Each division needs to have their own committee, facility and freedom on getting the players. May be a draft system can be implemented. They need to have their own financial independancy. Get your trusted people, train them and appoint them to different divisions. I am sure there more than six honest person in BCB who can devote their time for their respective divisions (Full-time positions).

e) Number of games: Increase the number of games in National league. May be divide the six teams in two conference. May be they play among the conference more number of matches. And then at the end Finals are played out among each conference teams. This how you create rivalry.

f) Asking help: Australia, NZ, SA, England even in WI; communicate with boards/clubs and if necessary beg to get two players in their teams for one year. May be out of five three would accept. That is total of six players getting valuable experience that they can bring back to the local leagues. Get your egos out of the window. No one will help unless we help ourselves. Be humble and get things done.

How much good can Dollar, Rubel, Shubhashish, Kayes, Sadat be if they get the opportunity. Do not recruit them in the national team early.

Already tired of typing.

Tigers_eye
April 21, 2008, 09:45 AM
Adding to my post:

Selectors:
Captain: If I ask you guys to name a captain for your best Pakistan 11 team that you have watched playing, you would all be unanimous and say Imran Khan. Yes, an Oxford graduate who knew the game well to change on the fly according to situation he faced. We don't have any Oxford graduate but at least we can make our captain a student of the game by sending him in to video sessions on how captains reacted in different situations. Posing for ads are all good, but training and preparing the most important person on the field is partially your job too. Help siddons in area please.

BCB:
g) Education: Education is a must for these young boys. Make sure they have some sort of formal education. Specially for the captain. He needs to be sent to training camps on how to conduct himself.

h) Training camps: With Rafique, K Mashud and Habibul Bashar out of the National team, make training camps for young boys in several parts of the country with them conducting the camp. Let our new bowling coach accompany them also.

mahbubH
April 21, 2008, 09:47 AM
We have to go little backward at this moment at least to get a captain for the team. We need to recall wither HaBa or Pilot for the time being. Ash is not a captain material and he is destroying his batting. Making another captain of this lot is like ruining another career. We should avoid flasy players as much as we can in future, better to select work-man like players who had to work hard for their runs. It is always good to have sour singles than a boundary (in test cricket specially). In BD who can hit few boundaries is considered as a good bat (see Aftab's first class stat not more than one century) instead of who can tackle more balls with merits. This concept need to be changed.

Tigers_eye
April 21, 2008, 10:23 AM
Instead of going backwards I humbly request more training. Be it Ash, Murtaza, SN, Shakib whom ever it may be. We need to provide all the tools we have to improve and upgrade our team. Bringing back old players who can't service anymore will not help. Playing again with 10 players is not a solution. Thank you HB for your services. He can be utilized in many different ways.

Fazal
April 21, 2008, 10:37 AM
To Fazal (a fan): Go find another game or atleast another team to support. Come back when the BD players, coach, BCB executives all go through an honest soul searching session and then take their jobs more seriously as time is ruuning out. It will save you (Fan's) from heartaches and most likely prolong your (Fan's) life.

Beamer
April 21, 2008, 10:39 AM
Get the BCB to arrange multiple individual meetings of each player with every GM and IM of Bangladesh, to talk them about what it takes to win under pressure without losing focus and concentration. The lack of mental toughness under duress is their biggest adversary, more than technical or even physical limitation, and who better to chat to them about it than the Niaz Morshed's or Ziaur Rahman's of the world. Foreign psychologists would be of no use due to the communication barrier. BCB should seek our real heroes to help out the children.

Thats all I have to offer for what its worth. Also, in agreement with basically every poster here who has given tips for every individual player to follow. The lack of mental fortitude or the inability to read situations under different scenarios are their biggest obstacle IMO.

BD-BLAST
April 21, 2008, 10:40 AM
I think Bangladesh has a decent team, not very good but just ok.

A winning team requires a combination of departments.
A. Management
B. Coach
C. Captain
D. Players


A. The management has to start making proper selection of the team and also start looking for new recruits (to groom).

B. Coach is an integral part of any team. Siddons has the right attitude he needs to implement a plan catered towards Bangladeshi players. Obvious he cant use exactly the same tactics that the Australian team uses.He needs to focus on fiedling, running between wickets and shot selection.

C. A coach is the brains of the team. Currently Ashraful doesnt have the character or intelligence to lead or motivate an international team, and some one else should take over.

As for the rest of the team, they need to work harded. Work on thier weakness mainly. they have to have confidence in them. Try to motivate each other.

Inshahallah if we just get the basics right we should not perform as badly as we did at Pakistan and in New Zealand.

meazz1
April 21, 2008, 10:42 AM
That is smart!:D

This is smartest thing ever said in last two days||||||

Tigers_eye
April 21, 2008, 10:47 AM
... The lack of mental toughness under duress is their biggest adversary, more than technical or even physical limitation, and who better to chat to them about it than the Niaz Morshed's or Ziaur Rahman's of the world. Foreign psychologists would be of no use due to the communication barrier. BCB should seek our real heroes to help out the children...
This is short but very important for our team specially our captain and other non-performers in the team.

Kabir
April 21, 2008, 11:13 AM
My biggest advise: No matter how sad and embarassing it is, stick with the current bunch. For God's sake, do not bring in any more "new brilliant prospects" until they are at least 22/24 and have played sufficient number of matches to actually call them "real talents".

The stamp for "golden boy" should be replaced with a stamp saying "golden man". We don't want "boys" anymore in the team.

BANFAN
April 21, 2008, 11:17 AM
I thought I gave you an opportunity to understand what you are saying.

BANFAN, do you even understand what I have written? what do you mean by "pura cup or County or any overseas tournaments are not at your disposal"? I'm saying we should make a concerted effort for our players to participate in these events. I'm not pretending I'm the first to think of this, Bashar said as much recently in his recent interview with miraz bhai.

For your info, a place in the Pura cup/County are not on sale. Neither distributed on request. Players of almost all the test playing countries are interested to play in some county team, if any of our players were of that standard, they would have got a call. You probably know, where Ash is going to play next season. Why doesn't Bashar try to play for a county team himself? he is free, he even is not being taken by lower level teams in England. That's what I meant.

Overseas players are permitted to play in county cricket (plenty of australians and south africans are doing it now) and the same is true of some Aussie doemestic competitions. I was suggesting individual players be recruited for some of these competitions, not that Bangladesh participate as a team.

You make me laugh. Hope you have understood, if not Don't you think that some proof of one's ability is needed for playing in those teams? They have not opened 'Pathshala' for our players to run 'Food for education'.

For the record, even if I were suggesting this, it is not beyond the realms of possibility. bangladesh played as the guest team in the ranji trophy in 2003 and Ireland and scotland participate in the Friends Provident Trophy in England. zimbabwe recently competed (as a country) in a south african doemstic tournament.

Bangladesh played in India and also in Pak, they performed poor in both the tournaments, now they will also not take them anymore. Why should SA or England give such practice to BD? They would Rathar preffer their continental teams. There are more teams than BD in the world, entire world resource can't be booked for BD only, isn't it?

If you are unsure as to what i mean, please just ask rather than embarassing yourself with a peurile and poorly-argued response.

I was quiet sure, what I was telling and what you were. That's why I wrote that. We should look for solutions at home and international exposure should come through A team & age group tours. We can try to increase those rathar. We should be able to produce players at home to get a call from interested teams worldwide and they can be more effective by playing overseas. But I'm sorry that, they don't teach basics in county or pura cup teams. Right now it will be more than begging, we are incapable.. please help us. Unfortunately world is used to give money and food to the beggers, not knowledge and skill.

kalpurush
April 21, 2008, 12:06 PM
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WarWolf
April 21, 2008, 12:23 PM
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AsifTheManRahman
April 21, 2008, 12:35 PM
Zobair bhai and Mijan uncle - front-page material, really :)

thebest
April 21, 2008, 12:40 PM
this thread need Miraz Vai's contribution. Where is he?

Tigers_eye
April 21, 2008, 01:09 PM
this thread need Miraz Vai's contribution. Where is he?
Sin city'tey jiya lapatta. Shob'i Doc'er fault.

AsifTheManRahman
April 21, 2008, 01:11 PM
With the kind of literary power that Miraz bhai has in his possession, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to chat it up and pick up left and right, every night that he's in Sin City.

Miraz bhai - you're the source of inspiration for your choto bhais and bhaignas and bhatijas.

Murad
April 21, 2008, 01:12 PM
Can we make an article out of this and send it to the Daily Star?? I'm sure they will publish it.

Our players, coach and the board officials all read this newspaper. I think it will be better if they get to read this. This will help them all.

Sovik
April 21, 2008, 01:35 PM
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zia
April 21, 2008, 03:37 PM
We are below standard. Pure and simple. People tend to fool us when they say we have lots of talents. Our cricketers lack basics of cricket. Other wise how come they repeat the mistakes over and over again. Our players don't do these mistakes intentionally. They do it because they lack skills beside they don't seem to have right intelligence needed for cricket. Look how they bat and bowl. They need to adopt to the situations. They bat and bowl same when they are under pressure or not.

We need time to get to international level. We were not playing cricket seriously for a long time. Just after independence it was neglected big time. We have to infuse cricket early in our youths. Catch them early when they are at school. Hunt for talent. I know we are doing that but we need to refine the process. Find good fast bowlers and nurture them so that they are of international standard when get to international arena.

Infrastructure needs to be overhauled. The current people are simply incapable of running the show. Bangladesh lacks quality business leaders. You will see lots of foreigners heading the top business houses in Bangladesh. We need to hire good administrators. If we cant find them in the country go to other countries. They will run the business of cricket and at the same time will be respobsible for grooming Bangladeshi adminstrators. Like all business houses it will have a result driven program.

We have to create accountabilty for coach,players and selectors. Selection process should be transparent. Player selection would be on merit of last 25 or so games played. There should be room for inclusion of new players based on the performance in the domestic cricket.

If needed hire coach for fast bowlers and make the work with our current and potential fast bowlers. We need to improve a lot in this department to be competive.

Create pitches based on the conditions of different countries. Have domestic matches played on these kinds of picthes by rotation. This will give exposure to our players of international conditions.

Repeat bad performers need to go even if he is Captain of the team. Let them know if you can't perform you don't have a job! Money is the greatest motivator. Pay them according to their performance. They will leave the balls outside the off staumps if you tie their performance with money.

Tigers_eye
April 21, 2008, 03:44 PM
Zia bhai,
Khek!! natural game!! Khek!! kheltey diben na? Khek!!

Accountibility tho player'der dictionary'tey nai. er maney ki?

I always loved performance based payscale. :)

Good post by the way.

abu2abu
April 21, 2008, 05:22 PM
I thought I gave you an opportunity to understand what you are saying.



For your info, a place in the Pura cup/County are not on sale. Neither distributed on request. Players of almost all the test playing countries are interested to play in some county team, if any of our players were of that standard, they would have got a call. You probably know, where Ash is going to play next season. Why doesn't Bashar try to play for a county team himself? he is free, he even is not being taken by lower level teams in England. That's what I meant.



You make me laugh. Hope you have understood, if not Don't you think that some proof of one's ability is needed for playing in those teams? They have not opened 'Pathshala' for our players to run 'Food for education'.



Bangladesh played in India and also in Pak, they performed poor in both the tournaments, now they will also not take them anymore. Why should SA or England give such practice to BD? They would Rathar preffer their continental teams. There are more teams than BD in the world, entire world resource can't be booked for BD only, isn't it?



I was quiet sure, what I was telling and what you were. That's why I wrote that. We should look for solutions at home and international exposure should come through A team & age group tours. We can try to increase those rathar. We should be able to produce players at home to get a call from interested teams worldwide and they can be more effective by playing overseas. But I'm sorry that, they don't teach basics in county or pura cup teams. Right now it will be more than begging, we are incapable.. please help us. Unfortunately world is used to give money and food to the beggers, not knowledge and skill.

Sir, I take your point. you are saying we are not yet good enough. You are right. I think I may have misunderstood your meaning and you mine.

akabir77
April 21, 2008, 05:30 PM
my advice to the selectors are stop this droping and picking. these are all 9 and 10. so it won't matter. trust me there is no wasim akram or tendu hidding anywhere in bangladesh.

Let the current 15 play and they will not bring us the stuff that we need but at least stop the killing of the future.

To the players. You are the best we have. go out there and have fun. you don't have to win anything. when batting try to get 50 (team score not yours) first then 100 and then 150 and so on. you will see you score will also be big. Respect the old players. they didn't had talent but they still scored. so go back to them and ask them what r tricks. now since you have the talent with theirs knowledge you can prosper too. If a guy like golaa can stick to the ground without any talent then why can't you do the same and start hitting after 40 overs (in ODI ) and never in TEST...

And to Ash. Stop thinking that you are a big shot. you are not. go to Shujon, bashar and ask them to teach you some of the tricks. I can give teach you one right now. In the 5th odi when the top 2 were going great and 1st wicket fell then why didn't you attack the new batter and get his wicket? instead you let him take singles and get set and stuff. don't you know that other than bd batsmen no other player will try to hit in first 5/10 balls and thats where you have to attack him and may be try to get his wicket too. Shujon was best at this. you had a great opportunity to get these information from pakistan but i doubt if you even tried to do anything other than batting for longer time in the nets...
And for the Fans. Dela with it this is number 9 team with a short history. so we will get beating like this. You don't have to like it but too much complaining is not good either

Fantastic
April 21, 2008, 05:46 PM
My advice is to take captaincy away from Ashraful. u can't be a good captain just cuz u r a good batsman. Tendulkar is the biggest example. Keep him just as a batsman. Make Shakib or Razzak the captain. They got the brains IMO. Also, i don't like Siddon's tactics. Before he came as the coach our batting sucked but bowling and fielding was ok. Now batting, bowling, and fielding sucks.

Russell2k7
April 21, 2008, 05:52 PM
Again for the umpteenth time please stop this "talent" verbage. Who invented joke anyway?

Bengali Bum
April 21, 2008, 05:59 PM
Gadha ke pitiye ghura banano jaina.

Too harsh... but i'll wait 'till they prove me wrong.

RezOne
April 21, 2008, 06:06 PM
Continue playing these same guys for the next couple of years. That's the only way we'll know who's good who's bad. It's tough but since our local system isn't really a dependable barometer for international success, we have to play the guys they produce for an extended amount of time to determine who has real talent. The last thing this team needs is more unproven & overhyped player to come up and fail consistently until that player's career is over. With that said I think we're starting to find out some answers about some of the players who've now been playing for a while. These players mainly being guys like M.Ashraful, S.Nafees, M.Mortaza, and Aftab Ahmed. As much as I dislike Ashraful I think the captaincy is really screwing with his already screwed up head. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

RazabQ
April 23, 2008, 01:03 PM
Ok, good thread though some people clearly are not able to follow instructions and still went off into rant mode.

My [বাংলা]দুই আনা[/বাংলা]:

1) Siddons: if you have decided that tough love is the way you are going to do it then temper it. Not everyone responds to tough love; gradually work up to it. Also please stop taking so much vacations. You should be spending this time going to dinner with Ashraful and plotting up new things for the team.
2) Ashraful: Captain like you want to bat - instinctively and no holds barred. Do NOT let your batting impact your instincts as a captain. Also, spend more time doing homework on your opponents. Figure out what opponent batter's favorite shots are - and then put them under pressure on them. Target the top bowlers of the opposition and find out what gets them out of rhythm (e.g. for an impatient person like Afridi, be V-E-R-Y deliberate in taking strike, in walking away in between balls, or gardening, etc., for someone like Asif who has a bit of a mongrel in him, come down the wicket a few times to get him all riled up and move away from the length at which he's lethal). Now the bowling stuff - apply that to your batting too.

3) Aftab - play straight for a bit dude

4) Tamim - watch videos of Lara batting. You obviously have the gift of timing. That's [বাংলা]আল্লাহর দান[/বাংলা]. Now use it to learn how to dab the annoying singles. Heck watch Ashraful do it - he's pretty good at it.

More to come later ...

Tigers_eye
April 23, 2008, 01:11 PM
lol, @ Razab bhaijan!!
(the top players are replying) "I thought cricket was a game, a fun, furti, mowuz. home work jodi kortey'i hoi taholey cricket khelbo kano? School'a jabo. Amra tho homework na korar jonney cricket khela suru korsi. Amader brain cell'a apnar ei shob kotha register hoi na, future'ao hobey na."