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Tiger444
April 22, 2008, 05:15 PM
This is the problem. From reading the earlier posts I see that people thought we would win the series. Three games against the number 5 team in the world? Just think about it. I understand we are fans. We are supposed to be excited for Bangladesh especially after a whitewash against Ireland. It is just too big of an expectation for Bangladesh a number 9 ranked team beat a number 5 team in Pakistan even 2 times. As fans we have got to understand that these players are really young and still learning international cricket. Even Ashraful, yes he played a lot of matches but he is a 23 year old captain. Seriously does any other test playing nation have a 23 year old captain? Even the associate teams don't have captains that young. It is not easy being a captain at that age. I understand he has not played well this series at all but people have to understand the pressure he is going under. Being a captain is a big responsibility, especially when Bangladesh is so much better against the associate teams and so much worse then the test playing nations. All I am saying is give these players time. And not just a few months but a few years. And there is too much bashing of Jamie Siddons. People are just too hyper and are insulting him. Guys he has been the coach for not even a year. What is he going to do play for Bangladesh? I think he is doing a fine job and is a good coach. Of course he made a mistake for bringing in the same team against Ireland against Pakistan but people make mistakes after all we are all human beings. And lost of people look too much at the negatives. We scored 200+ runs 3 times in the series. We didn't even do that once aginst Sri Lanka and South Africa. We even scored 285 runs in the 3rd ODI. 285! That is a lot of runs considering how inconsistent these batsmen are. All I am saying is nobody should bash these players and the coach so much. Just because we beat South Africa and India in the World Cup no were going to be the best team in the world? no. It shows that these players are very talented but need time before they can start playing consistently.

abdulmukit
April 22, 2008, 05:41 PM
This is the problem. From reading the earlier posts I see that people thought we would win the series. Three games against the number 5 team in the world? Just think about it. I understand we are fans. We are supposed to be excited for Bangladesh especially after a whitewash against Ireland. It is just too big of an expectation for Bangladesh a number 9 ranked team beat a number 5 team in Pakistan even 2 times. As fans we have got to understand that these players are really young and still learning international cricket. Even Ashraful, yes he played a lot of matches but he is a 23 year old captain. Seriously does any other test playing nation have a 23 year old captain? Even the associate teams don't have captains that young. It is not easy being a captain at that age. I understand he has not played well this series at all but people have to understand the pressure he is going under. Being a captain is a big responsibility, especially when Bangladesh is so much better against the associate teams and so much worse then the test playing nations. All I am saying is give these players time. And not just a few months but a few years. And there is too much bashing of Jamie Siddons. People are just too hyper and are insulting him. Guys he has been the coach for not even a year. What is he going to do play for Bangladesh? I think he is doing a fine job and is a good coach. Of course he made a mistake for bringing in the same team against Ireland against Pakistan but people make mistakes after all we are all human beings. And lost of people look too much at the negatives. We scored 200+ runs 3 times in the series. We didn't even do that once aginst Sri Lanka and South Africa. We even scored 285 runs in the 3rd ODI. 285! That is a lot of runs considering how inconsistent these batsmen are. All I am saying is nobody should bash these players and the coach so much. Just because we beat South Africa and India in the World Cup no were going to be the best team in the world? no. It shows that these players are very talented but need time before they can start playing consistently.


well i'll say all the player need to use their brains. i mean they have everything in them that a batsman/bowler required but they are not using it.

they souldve have won atleast 1 game in that 5 match they played recently against pakistan.

lets just wait and see how they play in next couple of year.and inshallah they will improve in each match they play.

Isnaad
April 22, 2008, 05:43 PM
I lost hope after the 20/20.

djnaved
April 22, 2008, 07:25 PM
This is the problem. From reading the earlier posts I see that people thought we would win the series. Three games against the number 5 team in the world? Just think about it. I understand we are fans. We are supposed to be excited for Bangladesh especially after a whitewash against Ireland. It is just too big of an expectation for Bangladesh a number 9 ranked team beat a number 5 team in Pakistan even 2 times. As fans we have got to understand that these players are really young and still learning international cricket. Even Ashraful, yes he played a lot of matches but he is a 23 year old captain. Seriously does any other test playing nation have a 23 year old captain? Even the associate teams don't have captains that young. It is not easy being a captain at that age. I understand he has not played well this series at all but people have to understand the pressure he is going under. Being a captain is a big responsibility, especially when Bangladesh is so much better against the associate teams and so much worse then the test playing nations. All I am saying is give these players time. And not just a few months but a few years. And there is too much bashing of Jamie Siddons. People are just too hyper and are insulting him. Guys he has been the coach for not even a year. What is he going to do play for Bangladesh? I think he is doing a fine job and is a good coach. Of course he made a mistake for bringing in the same team against Ireland against Pakistan but people make mistakes after all we are all human beings. And lost of people look too much at the negatives. We scored 200+ runs 3 times in the series. We didn't even do that once aginst Sri Lanka and South Africa. We even scored 285 runs in the 3rd ODI. 285! That is a lot of runs considering how inconsistent these batsmen are. All I am saying is nobody should bash these players and the coach so much. Just because we beat South Africa and India in the World Cup no were going to be the best team in the world? no. It shows that these players are very talented but need time before they can start playing consistently.

Are you from BCB?:lol:

we need time? lolz, player build up korte korte totodin icc amader test status cancel kore dibe...... ja korar quickly korte hobe, bujchen....

Tiger444
April 22, 2008, 07:33 PM
c these r the stupid people like djnaved who burn me up. Why make an idiotic comment like that. I'm just saying it will take time. You guys just think it will take a day or 2. no it won't. These players are young and learning from every series and unfortunately we have been set back because of political decisions to select players. I believe these players have talent and could become very competitive and in the next world cup they could do more damage. So djnaved I don't care if you get mad at me but watch out 4 what you say because trust me you don't want 2 mess with me lol

Gowza
April 22, 2008, 07:48 PM
yes they need time, but they're still underperforming. all the batsmen should be averaging over 30 and all the specialist bowlers should be averaging under 33. allrounders should be averaging close to or above 30 with the bat and under 35 with the ball. the keeper should be averaging 25+.

i agree it's going to take time to get them up to scratch, and the expectations can be a bit high sometimes, at this point the goal should just to be competitive every match regardless of winning or lossing, obviously winning is nice and they shouldn't give up hope that they can win but if they can be competitive every match then at this point they should be happy with that.

djnaved
April 22, 2008, 07:52 PM
will take time.


will take time, need time....... this type of words i am hearing for atleast 1.5 years.. icc can cancel our test status any time. what if one day they cancel our test status? Are you gonna say plz don't cancel our test status, our players are young, we need time to build them?

if our players don't solve thier problems quickly, then my prediction will happen...

Gowza
April 22, 2008, 07:56 PM
will take time, need time....... this type of words i am hearing for atleast 1.5 years.. icc can cancel our test status any time. what if one day they cancel our test status? Are you gonna say plz don't cancel our test status, our players are young, we need time to build them?

and that's definitely a major issue, i might be wrong but the way i understand things is that most test nations don't like playing bangladesh due to money reasons. so if that's the case no test status means they no longer have to play bangladesh in tests which will surely lead to less ODIs against the top teams because the series against bangladesh will bring in even less money without the test matches so some of the test nations will just say it's not worth it and not play bangladesh very often. but seeing as though they currently have to play bangladesh in tests they schedule a ODI series as well to bring in more money.

djnaved
April 22, 2008, 07:59 PM
and that's definitely a major issue, i might be wrong but the way i understand things is that most test nations don't like playing bangladesh due to money reasons.

not only of money reasons, it's also about competition.. it's sad that we always think about wining, but not think about competiting with big teams......

Gowza
April 22, 2008, 08:04 PM
not only of money reasons, it's also about competition.. it's sad that we always think about wining, but not think about competiting with big teams......

that would be the reason why a series against bangladesh doesn't generate as much money, the competition isn't high enough to bring in fans, so there is less money in a series against bangladesh than there is against another test nation. which is why if test status is no longer there for bangladesh that imo test nations will choose to play bangladesh less in ODIs. which would mean losing test status would be a very very bad thing.

wiseshah
April 22, 2008, 09:52 PM
c these r the stupid people like djnaved who burn me up. Why make an idiotic comment like that. I'm just saying it will take time. You guys just think it will take a day or 2. no it won't. These players are young and learning from every series and unfortunately we have been set back because of political decisions to select players. I believe these players have talent and could become very competitive and in the next world cup they could do more damage. So djnaved I don't care if you get mad at me but watch out 4 what you say because trust me you don't want 2 mess with me lol


lol. what u will do, if he mess with u.

djnaved
April 22, 2008, 09:56 PM
lol. what u will do, if he mess with u.

bhoi dekhai bujchen, he even doesn't know where i live....:-p

rainmaniac
April 22, 2008, 11:51 PM
prob to onk gulai...konta badh diye konta solve korben...r tar jonno time to lagbei..emnei onk time lagtase...aro fast hote hobe nahole.....

al-Sagar
April 22, 2008, 11:53 PM
will take time, need time....... this type of words i am hearing for atleast 1.5 years.. icc can cancel our test status any time. what if one day they cancel our test status? Are you gonna say plz don't cancel our test status, our players are young, we need time to build them?

if our players don't solve thier problems quickly, then my prediction will happen...

I have been hearing for a longer time.
We wasted a lot of time but in the wrong way

TomalCA
April 23, 2008, 01:55 AM
This is the problem. From reading the earlier posts I see that people thought we would win the series. Three games against the number 5 team in the world? Just think about it. I understand we are fans. We are supposed to be excited for Bangladesh especially after a whitewash against Ireland. It is just too big of an expectation for Bangladesh a number 9 ranked team beat a number 5 team in Pakistan even 2 times. As fans we have got to understand that these players are really young and still learning international cricket. Even Ashraful, yes he played a lot of matches but he is a 23 year old captain. Seriously does any other test playing nation have a 23 year old captain? Even the associate teams don't have captains that young. It is not easy being a captain at that age. I understand he has not played well this series at all but people have to understand the pressure he is going under. Being a captain is a big responsibility, especially when Bangladesh is so much better against the associate teams and so much worse then the test playing nations. All I am saying is give these players time. And not just a few months but a few years. And there is too much bashing of Jamie Siddons. People are just too hyper and are insulting him. Guys he has been the coach for not even a year. What is he going to do play for Bangladesh? I think he is doing a fine job and is a good coach. Of course he made a mistake for bringing in the same team against Ireland against Pakistan but people make mistakes after all we are all human beings. And lost of people look too much at the negatives. We scored 200+ runs 3 times in the series. We didn't even do that once aginst Sri Lanka and South Africa. We even scored 285 runs in the 3rd ODI. 285! That is a lot of runs considering how inconsistent these batsmen are. All I am saying is nobody should bash these players and the coach so much. Just because we beat South Africa and India in the World Cup no were going to be the best team in the world? no. It shows that these players are very talented but need time before they can start playing consistently.

i was wondering one thing after reading your post. how long the current players need to bring good result? 3 yrs? 5 yrs? or even more?

now i am assuming you would say 5 yrs. lets go 5 yrs back. many people like you even said the same thing in 2003 - the team is new, they are trying to learn international cricket, they need time and all that.

apparently Bangladesh dint make much progress in last 5 yrs. how come you are expecting that they would do any great in next 5 yrs?

isnt progress a continuous process? you have to step forward inch-by-inch every day, right? what progress did Bangladesh show in last 5 yrs by the way?

cricket_king
April 23, 2008, 05:17 AM
Perhaps if they'd act like they're a "developing team" we'd be able to tolerate these humiliating losses. They act like they're the greatest players to ever step onto that cricket pitch. There's only so much we fans can take.

crikfreak
April 23, 2008, 05:49 AM
they need time.. i get that.. i'm totally okay with that.. but shouldn't they atleast try?? i don't really see them trying as hard as they shouyld.. its true.. bd is comparatively younger than the other test playing nations.. so we have less experience.. all that is fine.. but if are to do well in cricket.. shouldn't our goal be to improve our cricket against big sides instead of just bashing up the minnows and being satisfied with that?? bashing minnows will do nothing but bring confidence and a bit of satisfaction.. thats fine.. nothing wrong with that.. but they should try against the top sides.. i want them to improve match by match regardless of whether they win or not.. because then..when and if they start winning.. it won't be once in a blue moon.. it will be frequent.. its better to win constantly than once in a year or so against big teams..

theres nothing wrong with being inexperienced.. but they should TRY to improve..

tanvir_nus
April 23, 2008, 07:02 AM
lolz... what can I say? read my signature it says it all

mehedi
April 23, 2008, 07:42 AM
bhoi dekhai bujchen, he even doesn't know where i live....:-p

hahahahahahahahaha:lol::lol:
thats funny:floor::floor:

samjad
April 23, 2008, 07:57 AM
Lol.. he will do the same thing he did last time ? you may ask him what he did last time ..lol

Baundule
April 23, 2008, 08:05 AM
Hey guys, plz dont be harsh on Tiger444.
He is quite new and he certainly needs some time to understand cricket consistently.

meazz1
April 23, 2008, 08:11 AM
This is the same old song and dance with the BD team, "They need time". Of course they need time, but we need to see some results by now. Be competitive at least. How much time do they need, 10 yrs to be competitive?
The 20/20 is a living proof.
Ash says that we did well in the series, it tells it all. The target was to score above 200 in each ODI!!! Come on, Ash. Your target should have been to lose with in 25 /30 runs in each game.
What does this target of 200 runs mean if the opponent scores 300+ against you?

Our captain is really a brainless human being.

That's my 2 cents.

fwullah
April 23, 2008, 08:36 AM
not only of money reasons, it's also about competition.. it's sad that we always think about wining, but not think about competiting with big teams......

Money and competition go side by side. If we can be more competitive, more money will automatically come.

Just wait and see how Razzak performs in the IPL (or is that ICL - whatever). I think right at this moment, Razzak will not be able to get into the final eleven - at best he could be the 12th man. If he miraculously gets into final eleven, and can miraculously perform, then we may see more money coming his way. Compared to that, just a reminder to everyone - both Ashraful and Mashrafee were initially selected for the IPL / ICL, but both were out of the competition because of their recent poor form in International cricket.

The_Yorker
April 23, 2008, 08:47 AM
isnt progress a continuous process? you have to step forward inch-by-inch every day, right? what progress did Bangladesh show in last 5 yrs by the way?

You are exactly right- you made an excellent point. Some inlcuding selectors, players and coach think that given few years (say 5 years), Bangladesh will become a world class team. They speak as if they will become a world class team exactly the day after 5 years (or whatever years they are asking for). It's like buying time so that fans will not be after them. I think this is a lame excuse. Show us the plan to improve and show us that we are improving every day.

Tigers_eye
April 23, 2008, 09:46 AM
They need time. They need to play against stronger opponents regularly. Why take out Rajin (test), Nafis Iqbal, Alok out of the equation? If Raqibul, Mahmudullah are the real deal then give them chances in their orginal positions. Newbies are being introduced too early just as 3/5 years back.

thebest
April 23, 2008, 10:02 AM
will take time, need time....... this type of words i am hearing for atleast 1.5 years.. icc can cancel our test status any time. what if one day they cancel our test status? Are you gonna say plz don't cancel our test status, our players are young, we need time to build them?

if our players don't solve thier problems quickly, then my prediction will happen...
naved vai, don't be so dishearten so quickly. I am hearing that they would need another five years for the last eight years. I am now quite sure I would hear that till the day I go to grave. Considering average life expectancy of Bangladeshi it is in fifteen years time