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djnaved
April 22, 2008, 08:27 PM
seriously, i see not a single newspaper wrote about aftab, a guy who was worst alone ash in pak series

In pak series:

didn't see his jonti rhodes style fielding
didn't play his natural game
threw his wicket
was unmindful


what a shame, a guy who still can't get a century after playing more than 80 odi's...........

so, why he is in the team? Do we really need him?

Pundit
April 22, 2008, 09:17 PM
What more can you expect from guys who are 23 and married? Rishawallah mentality...

WarWolf
April 22, 2008, 11:27 PM
What more can you expect from guys who are 23 and married? Rishawallah mentality...
A lot of crickets get married early at early age and it's common in the whole world. I don't think there should be any relationship between the performance and marriage.

wiseshah
April 22, 2008, 11:47 PM
aftab also has some bad luck. some matches his wicket was taken by Honorable steve bucknor and paki umpire. so dont blame him totally.

2nd reason, when we try to make our ODI specialist into test batsman, we lose both side, that what happened in the case of aftab. we r neglecting real test type players like javed, rajin, tushar, mehrab jr and playing ODI specialist aftab instead of them, then this expected result comes. so its BCB's fault

al-Sagar
April 23, 2008, 12:09 AM
i never saw him holding a ball rightly in the field.

also the bucknors did not help him with the LBW decisions

anyway let him play for the academy team.

BD-BLAST
April 23, 2008, 03:17 AM
Aftab was extremly lucky that any pressure was on him.

Aftab has changed his style of batting which has brought about his current slump.

Bangladeshi players come in with a bang but goes down without a fight.

Only Rafique comes to mind who has progressed as a player through out his career.

crikfreak
April 23, 2008, 05:56 AM
i think those lbw decisions were unfair.. who knows.. if he hadn't got out.. he might've played a big innings.. but i'm not favouring him.. he didn't play his natural game at all.. but.. i'm a BIG aftab fan.. so i want him to perform.. let him play domestic cricket for now and see what happens..

Pundit
April 23, 2008, 06:54 AM
A lot of crickets get married early at early age and it's common in the whole world. I don't think there should be any relationship between the performance and marriage.

Please cite some comparable examples?

BanCricFan
April 23, 2008, 06:54 AM
What more can you expect from guys who are 23 and married? Rishawallah mentality...

I cant see what so wrong being married at 23 and what so wrong being a 'Rishawallah'? Both sounds quite Halal way of getting about their business. Perhaps, we would be better off not looking down on people doing 'menial' jobs and not be so generalizing and treat every case individually and on their own merit. Something akin to playing each ball according to their merit!

Back to Aftab Miah Shab, he has been singing 'should I stay or should I go' for a long time. Clearly, the poor guy doesn't know his role as a batsman! I think he should go and stay gone for a long time.

Pundit
April 23, 2008, 06:58 AM
I cant see what so wrong being married at 23 and what so wrong being a 'Rishawallah'? Both sounds quite Halal way of getting about their business. Perhaps, we would be better off not looking down on people doing 'menial' jobs and not be so generalizing and treat every case individually and on their own merit. Something akin to playing each ball according to their merit!

Back to Aftab Miah Shab, he has been singing 'should I stay or should I go' for a long time. Clearly, the poor guy doesn't know his role as a batsman! I think he should go and stay gone for a long time.

First tell me if Cricketrs go by any other name...and same for a Rikshawallah ?

Yup, both are Halal ways...no doubt, but the runs scored does not do any good for the team. And that was the only point made. So quit going tangential.

thebest
April 23, 2008, 09:54 AM
Pandit Vai,
tendu got married in 23 and so was Boray Mian Javed Miandad.

WarWolf
April 23, 2008, 10:07 AM
Please cite some comparable examples?
Pandit Vai,
tendu got married in 23 and so was Boray Mian Javed Miandad.
Jafar, Karthik, Ganguly.... If i search the database i am sure there will be some other names too.

akabir77
April 23, 2008, 10:41 AM
seriously, i see not a single newspaper wrote about aftab, a guy who was worst alone ash in pak series

In pak series:

didn't see his jonti rhodes style fielding
didn't play his natural game
threw his wicket
was unmindful


what a shame, a guy who still can't get a century after playing more than 80 odi's...........

so, why he is in the team? Do we really need him?

So century korleo apnara aber bolen minnow er against ey century korsey. Australia r shatey chilo fluke etc etc. aber century na korleo bolen drop this gadha ato gula ODI khelsey ekta century kortey parey nai... konta korbey BCB?

mshakir56
April 23, 2008, 11:25 AM
We are looking for consistency here. It doest matter whom you are scoring centuries against, as long as you are consistently making runs against all the teams. Having players who average in the early twenties wont help our cause.

Shobha
April 24, 2008, 08:14 AM
they always become crap after they get married..i hope i'm wrong!

BANFAN
April 24, 2008, 10:24 AM
What more can you expect from guys who are 23 and married? ...

Totally agree. Comparing with Tendul and others are not fair. He was strugling althrough and needed more focus in his game.

zainab
April 24, 2008, 04:27 PM
Poor Aftab! he is an exciting player, seems to have lost his spark since he got hurt. He is not a test cricketer and should stick to ODIs and T20s. I feel Siddons is messing with him too much.

Fazal
April 24, 2008, 04:33 PM
What about him?

Rifat
April 25, 2008, 07:24 PM
they always become crap after they get married..i hope i'm wrong!

is that why our captain hasn't gotten married yet? i hope he ends up marrying a very simple girl, but then again his recent performance... without marriage

ehteshamul
April 27, 2008, 05:42 AM
Aftab is one of the few exciting players that Bangladesh have in One day cricket.

It appears he is a bit jolted after the injury.

In the recent one dayers against Pakistan he was undone by some harsh decisions by Steve Bucknor and host umpires.

Also it belies logic why Siddons & Ashraful played him at number three position.

The worst part is that they continued to play him at that position despite his repeated failures.

Siddons also made a tactical blunder by playing Ashraful in a higher position throughout.

The results are there for everybody to see.

When a player loses form and not delivering the Captain, Coach should play him much lower down to enable the player to regain confidence or form. That has never happened.

We cannot forget Aftab’s Super six at the last stage that brought us upset Victory against Australia and his murderous assault of South African Bowlers to all parts of the ground in the One day World Cup.( I think Bangladesh scored over 50 runs in 5 or 6 overs)

Bangladesh need to fill No 3 position with a cool person like Raqibul or even bring Javed Omar or Rajin ( both are grafters and can stick around for a while).

Against quality pace we need to have a grafter at one end while Tammim our best batsman continues to build runs from the other end.

It appears that Siddons does not like a little older player and have virtually disposed all of them from the team like – Masud, Bashar, Rafiq ( a Forced one I guess).

Aftab definitely should be retained for the One day team but not played in No 3 position.
It is a matter of common sense that he bats much lower down the order when team needs to accelerate pace and he is the most suited person for that.

Meanwhile let Siddons work on his batting.

Aftab will come back with a bang sooner or later but needs to be handled better by the captain and coach.

When is BD going to hire a Head coach ?

I think in modern days A Coach’s salary should be performance based

This will keep his awareness to the fact that he has to provide results as he is highly paid otherwise get his salary slashed per his performance

If the above is missing the Coach will take for granted that his job is secure as per his Contract. Why bother for team performance ?

I do not believe in Siddons step by step progress and his assessment that it will take 2 years to bring the team upto speed. This is ridiculous. BD has been in the One day Cricket for a while. Why would it take 2 years for him to develop our team? If it takes that long we can jolly well engage a local coach at probably one third remuneration.

Tacticwise a Local Coach will be better than Siddons.

One of the tactical blunders which team management has been doing is not playing 3 specialist fast bowlers.

It is always 2 pace bowlers, an all rounder pace bowler and a Spinner.

If one takes a look at any of the test playing nations they all have three specialist pace bowlers with one specialist Spinner with Allrounders following up.

I am at loss to understand our team strategy.

Because of our poor strategy it is putting undue pressure on the 2 pacers and wearing them out very quickly.

Also we must realize that one of the 2 specialist pace bowlers may not click. So it negates an alternate option for the captain. Having a third option gives an opportunity for the captain and also this option may click. Besides it all creates competitiveness amongst them

The pace men are expected to finish the top order with Spinners doing the damage of the Middle order and later Pacers and Spinners doing the cleaning up job of the tailenders .

However Siddons does have some qualities as a batting Coach and we must commend him for bring about improvements in Tammim, Junaed ( per his performance against Newzealand) ,Riyad, Dhiman, Farhad , Aftab to some extent .

The BCB has decided to take proactive steps on fact finding Investigation of our Cricket team.

One hopes our problems and weaknesses ar re identified, addressed and appropriate action promptly taken and the team returns to our Golden days of beating the very best.

We are all praying that happens soon .

BD-BLAST
April 27, 2008, 11:05 AM
Aftab needs to back to his original style of batting a play his strokes. he did get some bad decisions against him but for the rest of the series he has only himself to blame.

zainab
April 27, 2008, 04:22 PM
I feel the coach should let Aftab play his natural game. Whatmore never interfered with his style and he did very well, though he has yet to score a century, but I am sure one of these days he will do so.

BanCricFan
April 27, 2008, 05:03 PM
Excellent post, ehteshamul! Welcome to BC!

Isnaad
April 27, 2008, 06:49 PM
NO!!! Oh wait don't try to drop Aftab. He got 5 chances. Not like Ashraful's 25 chances. WAIT!!!!! Give hime some more chances.

Gowza
April 27, 2008, 07:46 PM
i feel that the best way to get some of these players up to scratch might be an intensive one on one coaching period of a couple maybe even a few months. i'm sure a few years ago an international player on the comeback did something similar to this. they worked one on on with a coach for a couple of months and it helped them get back to the standard they needed to be at.

jeesh
April 27, 2008, 11:34 PM
Agree with ehtemshamul. I dont exactly agree playing him at 3.

zainab
April 28, 2008, 06:30 AM
i feel that the best way to get some of these players up to scratch might be an intensive one on one coaching period of a couple maybe even a few months. i'm sure a few years ago an international player on the comeback did something similar to this. they worked one on on with a coach for a couple of months and it helped them get back to the standard they needed to be at.


This is absolutely true. I remember Symonds of australia was in deep trouble in 2005, he reinvented himself, worked hard on his fitness and game and now look what he has emerged to be. also lots of good cricketers have done this over time and have become better, but I dont think the BCB has addressed this problem. These guys need serious coaching with bat, ball and fielding, and the head coach does not seem interested, he only has a few days preparation camp with them before each tour, and after the tour he is off on two weeks holiday BD hired a holiday coach.

desirocker
April 28, 2008, 10:16 AM
This is absolutely true. I remember Symonds of australia was in deep trouble in 2005, he reinvented himself, worked hard on his fitness and game and now look what he has emerged to be. also lots of good cricketers have done this over time and have become better, but I dont think the BCB has addressed this problem. These guys need serious coaching with bat, ball and fielding, and the head coach does not seem interested, he only has a few days preparation camp with them before each tour, and after the tour he is off on two weeks holiday BD hired a holiday coach.

agree.

lamisa
April 29, 2008, 09:56 AM
A lot of crickets get married early at early age and it's common in the whole world. I don't think there should be any relationship between the performance and marriage.

well,when its with bd players it matters.shashuri r bou beshi pamper kore.how do you expect someone to perform well just after he has finished eating a bowl of shemai and firni?

desirocker
April 29, 2008, 09:59 AM
well,when its with bd players it matters.shashuri r bou beshi pamper kore.how do you expect someone to perform well just after he has finished eating a bowl of shemai and firni?

:floor::floor:

Tigers_eye
May 5, 2008, 03:21 PM
well,when its with bd players it matters.shashuri r bou beshi pamper kore.how do you expect someone to perform well just after he has finished eating a bowl of shemai and firni?
Khashi'r Biriani with goru'r rezala, Murgi'r roast, dim shiddho... before they taste the doi, and mishti.

I was reading the Prothom-Alo report about BCB meetng with the Players. One of the he BCB Members asked One top order batsman how did he do in the Pakistan/ how he would evaluate him self during the series?(His score combine in 5 match was 57)

His answer was he felt really good the way he played and he did his best and he is happy with his performance. So one specific BCB member was baout to fell down from Chair with his response.

I went to Cricinfo and looking at the Stats find out who is that Great batsman.

Yes...u have guessed right...Its Mr Dashing Aftab Ahmed
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=686883 Post #62.

Aftab needs to be dropped from the team.

Rifat
May 6, 2008, 05:19 AM
Khashi'r Biriani with goru'r rezala, Murgi'r roast, dim shiddho... before they taste the doi, and mishti.


http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=686883 Post #62.

Aftab needs to be dropped from the team.

no, give him one more series to prove himself, i think the time has come where he should play what he does best! SLOG!!!

crikfreak
May 7, 2008, 06:10 AM
aftab deserves one more series.. but this time.. plz.. bat him lower in the order..

jeesh
May 7, 2008, 07:11 AM
Correct. I would rather see him at 5 or 6.

Tigers_eye
May 7, 2008, 08:43 AM
aftab deserves one more series.. but this time.. plz.. bat him lower in the order..
That word puzzles me. I am ready and loaded. Let me know when and where.

No sh*tty performer deserves a place in the national team. Check his scores and then his comments which I also provided in my previous post. Those comments are worse than his performance. Had he not open his pie hole I would have not called for his head. Lack of understanding of the game or just don't want to understand (by his part)?

Sovik
May 7, 2008, 08:51 AM
aftab deserves one more series.. but this time.. plz.. bat him lower in the order..

why do we need him if he needs to bat down the order. he is not even a decent 6th bowler. we need him at 3 and at his best

tonoy
May 7, 2008, 08:53 AM
That word puzzles me. I am ready and loaded. Let me know when and where.

No sh*tty performer deserves a place in the national team. Check his scores and then his comments which I also provided in my previous post. Those comments are worse than his performance. Had he not open his pie hole I would have not called for his head. Lack of understanding of the game or just don't want to understand (by his part)?

thanks tigers_eye. Finally, its good to see people realizing that aftab is a total waste of a no 3 position. Infact, he needs some good axing.

thebest
May 7, 2008, 12:25 PM
no, give him one more series to prove himself, i think the time has come where he should play what he does best! SLOG!!!
No more chance to him. He is one of my favorite. But he should be dropped for two years. This is not because he scored poorly in the last two/three series. Anybody could have a series of bad serieses. But because of his attitude. When scoring 57 runs and claim that he is satisfied with his performance, it raises serious question about his professionalism, his sincerity to his profession. at the moment he is one of the senior member of the team. He is setting bad precedence to the young who are actually trying to improve (Tamim, Riyad, ZS). He is bad apple and should be get rid of as early as possible.

AsifTheManRahman
May 8, 2008, 12:47 PM
What bothers me the most is not so much the failure but that we have a couple of ahammoks playing leading roles in Bangladesh cricket - Ashraful as captain and Aftab as one of the senior batsmen. I don't mind if the guys are playing their hearts out and yet getting beaten over and over again - while there would be the need for measures to improve the overall quality, we would have to accept that we are not good enough and give it some time.

However, comments such as these are unacceptable. They represent a lack of effort, and of note is the fact that this is not the first time that we have had to deal with such asinine remarks. Remember what these two had to say when Nafees was on a scoring spree two years ago?

When the leadership is at fault, the team is bound to go astray even if most of the members are righteous.

SS
May 8, 2008, 12:54 PM
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When the leadership is at fault, the team is bound to go astray even if most of the members are righteous.

Ahammokder raja to ahammok hoboei...can't believe I sticked with the banner and you forgave the raja...i thought with the banner I can sing ..."amra shobai ahammok raja amader ei ahammoker rajotteeee"

Fazal
May 8, 2008, 01:05 PM
Sure we have ahammok Raja ( that is in the leadership). But also have ahammok Proja (the fans)... thats why BC cricket is a fertle land to breed and groom and prosper ahammok players like Ashrful and Aftab. One good 'Jhorey Bok Porey' marka innings and the tone changes and people start opening thread after thread explaining why they are so great and why they are our only match winner and HOPE and why we need to stick with them decades after decases incase they click again.

SS
May 8, 2008, 01:10 PM
Sure we have ahammok Raja ( that is in the leadership). But also have ahammok Proja (the fans)... thats why BC cricket is a fertle land to breed and groom and prosper ahammok players like Ashrful and Aftab..

Aeito ki kon mia....Raja re projara puja korbona...naile dine dupure jodi chor thappor mare....

Haider
May 9, 2008, 04:08 PM
Our whole team sucks ... when u compare and play against top teams. We are simply not ready and prepared and don't have enuff skill even though some of our batsmen been playing for a while. We need school to teach the youngstars how to bat ... and special schools to teach them how to bowl. Feed them good nutritional foods with lots of vitamins, minerals and proteins. once we safely and properly breed our young talents .. maybe in the next decade we can come up with a world champion team. As far as Ashraful and his boyz... Nothing will cure their disease. They are forever scarred. The most they can do to make us happy is.. win 5 or more odis against top teams every year and maybe few 20/20z and couple of draws in test cricket. =) .... Let's get real.. even this is asking for a lot from our current day team. The next team in the next decade will bring glory ... so think like dat and start now to build their future... and don't let politics and corruption enter the system and all shall be fine .