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ehteshamul
May 2, 2008, 09:56 PM
While Bangladesh top order has been reeling against most test teams pace attacks there has been not been much progress from our own pace battery. Of course there has been those once in a blue moon situation where we were able to put the opposition in a tight corner. But Alas that was only to happen in the first Innings. Second innings was a total different story where our pacemen were reduced to a mere pedestrian and the opposition took away the game from us and went on to win the match.

Guess what I am referring to .Off course against Australia some years back and more recently against South Africa.
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In the one dayers the opposition rattle up such a big /mammoth score that it becomes difficult for us to defend that .The reason we all know is that we have yet to develop a pace duo or trio that is capable of running through the opposition top order. This is not to undermine Mashrafee/shahadat/Rasel who are okay as far as finishing the tailenders and in some cases getting one or two of the top orders as well. That is not enough. The truth is we are have yet to develop a pace duo/trio who can dictate terms with the opposition top order like Pakistani, Australian, New Zealand, Sri Lankan and Indian pace duo/trio

Have we done anything to better our existing pace duo/trio?

I am surprised we are yet to see a Bowling coach hired by BCB to improve our present crop of fast bowlers.

Developing into a top class pace bowler require years of practice, training, experience and a proper guidance of a Specialist Coach. They also need to develop muscular strengths to bear the wear and tear.

I do not think in this modern era a team can be a world beater without possessing a genuine pace attack which we lack.

On of the top priorities of BCB would be to hunt for a capable and competent Bowling coach to groom our pacemen.

Once we have world or International class of pace duo/trio we will be able to become more competitive with other cricketing nations.

The West Indies is a good source to get a Good Bowling coach : Andy Roberts. Joel Garner, Colin Croft, Ian Bishop or from Australia .

What do our readers think? Lets hear what our readers think about it.

Murad
May 2, 2008, 09:59 PM
We have a bowling coach from Srilanka for our Academy and Developemental Squads.

He was the coach of Srilankan National team, who coached Malinga, Fernando, Vaas, Maharoof and etc.

I think he will coach our National bowlers as well.

Gowza
May 2, 2008, 10:48 PM
imo the pace depth is improving in bangladesh. previously pacers struggled to hit 120kph+ consistently, from what i've heard these days there now are a few that can hit 130kph+ reasonably consistently. sure they have their days where they struggle to get it up there but as long as the pace overall keeps improving then it's a good sign.

as good as medium pacers can be, fast bowlers can be as good and pace is definitely something that can trouble batsmen so it's good to see that bangladesh is getting to a reasonable level domestically on the pace front. they still have a way to go but at least we know things are getting better. obviously control is a major issue as well which also needs improving but at least we know pace wise they're improving.

BANFAN
May 3, 2008, 01:47 AM
We have a bowling coach from Srilanka. Who did a good job in Srilankan pace Academy. Hope he will do a good job in BD aswell.

Anyway, There is a different thread on him for more details you may reffer to that.

mshakir56
May 3, 2008, 05:17 AM
A coach cant do much if he doesnt have a malinga, brett lee, dale styen to train. As with batting, if you are not a tendulkar or lara you cant become a genious batsman. You cant teach a monkey to drive a car, can you? It will be really difficult!

bdchamp20
May 3, 2008, 05:23 AM
To trouble the top order of any quality side, our opening bowlers need to have swing. Go to any top opening batsman and ask him, what type of delivery is the hardest to play in early in the game and he'll say a swinging one. And IMO Pakistan have created the best swing bowlers and are still producing top swing bowlers at the moment. So IMO the answer is to look in Pakistan...Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis(dont laugh and say that's impossible because neither of them have a lot on their plates ATM) are possible to get...BCB actually spends more money on support staff than teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and even South Africa. Since Siddons took over we have had a rise of individual batting performances but our bowling, particularly pace seems to be going downhill. We have a good crop of reserve bowlers: Tareq Aziz: dont really see him coming back, Tapash Boysho: maybe in Tests but the younger bowlers look impressive Talha Jubair: improved performances and others like: Dolar Mahmud, Rubel Hossain, Ziaur Rahman, Shubhoshish Roy, Shaju Dutta, Mahbubul Alam, Sajedul Islam and Nazmul Hossain are all exciting prospects and we need a good bowling coach to make sure that they transform into international material smoothly. I hope Kalpayage make sure that happens.This is how I'd rate our pace reserve in terms of potential:
Grade A+(Potential to be All-Time Test legends, examples: Wasim Akram, Courtney Walsh, Glen McGrath etc.): None(ATM)
Grade A(Potential to be International Test standard pacers, examples: Heath Streak, Chaminda Vaas etc. or 300+ Test wickets): Shahadat Hossain, Shubhoshish Roy and Rubel Hossain (and maybe Mashrafe Mortaza)
Grade B(200+ Test wickets): Mashrafe Mortaza(might be in Grade A), Syed Rasel, Dolar Mahmud, Ziaur Rahman, Sajedul Islam, Murad Khan
Grade C(100+ Test wickets): Farhad Reza, Mahbubul Alam, Tapash Baisya, Nazmul Hossain, Talha Jubair, Arafat Salauddin, Mohammad Shahzada, Arafat Sunny
Below Grade C: Tareq Aziz, Mushfiqur Rahman, Monjurul Islam, Hasibul Hossain, Fahim Muntasir.
Not enough info to categorize: Shaju Dutta, Shumon Shaha, Saqlain Sajib

crikfreak
May 3, 2008, 10:04 AM
i hope the bowling coach we've got right now can do something.. if not.. lets look at west indies..

lamisa
May 3, 2008, 10:15 AM
i say y not a pakistani coach.i agree wid bdchamp20.pak r the pioneers of pace bowlers.lets pay one of their best 1s to try and make sth worthwhile out of our talents.

Ajfar
May 3, 2008, 10:41 AM
we already got a bowling coach..n he just started like a month ago..so let's give him sum time first...

Dhruvo
May 3, 2008, 11:00 AM
Umm as others said we already have a bowling coach , please stop opening so many threads at once NOI :-|

ehteshamul
May 7, 2008, 09:57 PM
To trouble the top order of any quality side, our opening bowlers need to have swing. Go to any top opening batsman and ask him, what type of delivery is the hardest to play in early in the game and he'll say a swinging one. And IMO Pakistan have created the best swing bowlers and are still producing top swing bowlers at the moment. So IMO the answer is to look in Pakistan...Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis(dont laugh and say that's impossible because neither of them have a lot on their plates ATM) are possible to get...BCB actually spends more money on support staff than teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and even South Africa. Since Siddons took over we have had a rise of individual batting performances but our bowling, particularly pace seems to be going downhill. We have a good crop of reserve bowlers: Tareq Aziz: dont really see him coming back, Tapash Boysho: maybe in Tests but the younger bowlers look impressive Talha Jubair: improved performances and others like: Dolar Mahmud, Rubel Hossain, Ziaur Rahman, Shubhoshish Roy, Shaju Dutta, Mahbubul Alam, Sajedul Islam and Nazmul Hossain are all exciting prospects and we need a good bowling coach to make sure that they transform into international material smoothly. I hope Kalpayage make sure that happens.

Who should be our future Bowling Coach ?
One of the famous W’S (Wasim or Waqar) OR
South African Alan Donald OR
Australian Damien Fleming OR
One of West Indian Ex Pace Battery


You are spot on. Wasim and Waqar are the masters of Swing bowling that is universally accepted and Imran Khan is the Guru who transferred this cricket High Tech technology to the two W’S who baffled and castled batsmen of all class.

We also need proven performers as a Bowling coach like Wasim and Waqar . Waqar was equally effective with both inswinging and outswinging Yorkers that brought the downfall of many great batsmen. With Wasim nobody knew what type of delivery would be the next one. He was almost unplayable each ball.

Presently Wasim is busy commentating. So he would be difficult to get hooked. Waqar on the other hand also does commentary not as much as Wasim. Also he has experience as a Bowling coach with Pakistan. If we cannot hook Waqar we can approach South African Alan Donald who actually recently worked as England’s Bowling Consultant. He was also a proven performer.

There is also Australian Damien Flemming now a commentator who was a great swing bowler of his time.

We also have the West Indian armor of great fast bowlers like Andy Roberts, Joel Garner - The big Bird, Colin Croft, Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose all of them of the highest class.

BCB needs a full time Recruitment Agent/Cricket Coordinator to explore and negotiate Coaches/Curators and other related matters.

Kalpayage is okay with our Junior or A team and I am sure over the years he will be able to unearth for us a few talented pace bowlers . But with our senior team we need a Quality Pace Bowling Coach with proven experience.

Kabir
May 8, 2008, 08:51 AM
You are spot on. Wasim and Waqar are the masters of Swing bowling that is universally accepted and Imran Khan is the Guru who transferred this cricket High Tech technology to the two W’S who baffled and castled batsmen of all class.

IMO, none of them are going to come. While Waqar is not suitable for this job (and has a big mouth), Wasim's salaray will not be in our budget.

That means, we're better off not even thinking about them.

djnaved
May 8, 2008, 06:26 PM
Wasim's salaray will not be in our budget.


man, wasim ke $10,000 dilei hobe...........siddonske bidai korle tar betoner hishabe amra tin ta valo coach paite pari

al-Sagar
May 12, 2008, 08:55 AM
To trouble the top order of any quality side, our opening bowlers need to have swing. Go to any top opening batsman and ask him, what type of delivery is the hardest to play in early in the game and he'll say a swinging one. And IMO Pakistan have created the best swing bowlers and are still producing top swing bowlers at the moment. So IMO the answer is to look in Pakistan...Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis(dont laugh and say that's impossible because neither of them have a lot on their plates ATM) are possible to get...BCB actually spends more money on support staff than teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and even South Africa. Since Siddons took over we have had a rise of individual batting performances but our bowling, particularly pace seems to be going downhill. We have a good crop of reserve bowlers: Tareq Aziz: dont really see him coming back, Tapash Boysho: maybe in Tests but the younger bowlers look impressive Talha Jubair: improved performances and others like: Dolar Mahmud, Rubel Hossain, Ziaur Rahman, Shubhoshish Roy, Shaju Dutta, Mahbubul Alam, Sajedul Islam and Nazmul Hossain are all exciting prospects and we need a good bowling coach to make sure that they transform into international material smoothly. I hope Kalpayage make sure that happens.

1st of all kalpage is not the bowling coach. It is ramanayake. He is a good coach.
If u want some one else here are my choice.
Aaqib Javed- he is a better coach than wasim or waqar.
Darren gough
Curtley ambrose
Javagal srinath

jeesh
May 13, 2008, 01:12 AM
Thank you offstump. Many of us havent been showing enough respect to our two new coaches Ramanayake and Kalpage. We even get the name mixed up. Ramanayake has had considerable success as a Bowling Coach in Sri Lanka, and trust me ppl here werent pleased about him joining Bd. Its not fair to write him off so quickly.
And its easy to say Waqar, Wasim etc can come and do a better job. But we need to understand the difference between a coach and a mentor. Waqar may have been a legend, but Aaqib is much more regarded as a coach. Similarly Troy Cooley (Arguably worlds best bowling coach) hasnt even played test cricket.
We dont need to look for anyone. Let Ramanayake work on our bowlers and hope for the best. Bringing Wasim or Waqar will cost us an additional 10-15k USD per month. Instead i d rather invest that money and develop a bowling academy.

shameem
May 13, 2008, 02:47 AM
I agree with Jeesh. Are Ramanayake and Kalpage starting work in Bangladesh? If not, when will they come?

jeesh
May 13, 2008, 03:08 AM
They started mid April shameem. However they havent received much media attention.

arafath79
May 13, 2008, 01:29 PM
BCB could offer Mommad Akram or Ataur Rahman as BD bowling coach. Bd doesn't really need those star players as bowling coach. I was hearing commentry of Mohammad Akram during BD tour PAK for 5 ODI and he was very impressive with good cricketing knowledge.

bdchamp20
May 13, 2008, 02:07 PM
Thank you offstump. Many of us havent been showing enough respect to our two new coaches Ramanayake and Kalpage. We even get the name mixed up. Ramanayake has had considerable success as a Bowling Coach in Sri Lanka, and trust me ppl here werent pleased about him joining Bd. Its not fair to write him off so quickly.
And its easy to say Waqar, Wasim etc can come and do a better job. But we need to understand the difference between a coach and a mentor. Waqar may have been a legend, but Aaqib is much more regarded as a coach. Similarly Troy Cooley (Arguably worlds best bowling coach) hasnt even played test cricket.
We dont need to look for anyone. Let Ramanayake work on our bowlers and hope for the best. Bringing Wasim or Waqar will cost us an additional 10-15k USD per month. Instead i d rather invest that money and develop a bowling academy.
Sorry, but Ramanayake was not the Sri Lankan bowling coach he was the head of fast bowling department of the Sri Lanka Cricket Academy. And I would like someone more qualified and internationally experienced and successful to coach our young pacers who have a lot of potential. I admit, Wasim is out of reach but we can try Waqar. And I'd prefer Walsh over Ambrose because Walsh is of simlar height to our pacers and maybe he can share how he achieved success without even being the tallest around. This is my shortlist in order of preference:
Waqar Younis
Courtney Walsh
Joel Garner
Alan Donald
Aaqib Javed

bdchamp20
June 24, 2008, 12:11 PM
Thank you offstump. Many of us havent been showing enough respect to our two new coaches Ramanayake and Kalpage. We even get the name mixed up. Ramanayake has had considerable success as a Bowling Coach in Sri Lanka, and trust me ppl here werent pleased about him joining Bd. Its not fair to write him off so quickly.
And its easy to say Waqar, Wasim etc can come and do a better job. But we need to understand the difference between a coach and a mentor. Waqar may have been a legend, but Aaqib is much more regarded as a coach. Similarly Troy Cooley (Arguably worlds best bowling coach) hasnt even played test cricket.
We dont need to look for anyone. Let Ramanayake work on our bowlers and hope for the best. Bringing Wasim or Waqar will cost us an additional 10-15k USD per month. Instead i d rather invest that money and develop a bowling academy.
Yes and what a fine job he is doing. Our pacers are getting hammered for 8-9 runs an over by UAE lower order batsmen. I mean he isn't even accompanying the team. What is he paid to do? Is he even the national team bowling coach or is he in charge of the academy? If he overlooked the academy then he must've put Dollar's name forward as Dollar played for the academy. Sorry but we really need more qualified people than him.

Eshen
June 24, 2008, 12:16 PM
As I have said in the other thread, there is no point blaming Ramanayake, he did not work with Dolar long enough (not more than a month). It's not his fault either that Sarwar Imran has been chosen instead of him to accompany the national team.

arafath79
June 24, 2008, 01:03 PM
They should look for PAK PAK PAK bowling coach !!! :D

bdchamp20
June 24, 2008, 01:31 PM
As I have said in the other thread, there is no point blaming Ramanayake, he did not work with Dolar long enough (not more than a month). It's not his fault either that Sarwar Imran has been chosen instead of him to accompany the national team.
Well I dont see why BCB would spend so much money on him and then just leave him in BD. There must be some reluctance from his part to touring internationally.

Eshen
June 24, 2008, 01:38 PM
I don't see how Ramanayake could refuse if BCB wanted him to go with the national team.

For example, Shaun Williamson was initially reluctant to take up the charge of the national team after Whatmore left, but BCB eventually forced him to do so. That time he was not even hired as a coach by BCB, he was the game development manager !

Either way, the fact is that Ramanayake has not worked long enough with any of the national team (or even A-team) pacers , there is no logic in writing him off at this point.

SS
June 24, 2008, 01:42 PM
The way our sonar bowlerra bowled today.
SL will make another history tommorrow in batting pitch.
Our pacers' standard gone so low that UAE scored 200 against us and none of our pacers were any effective against them. Tommorrow this type of bowlling will take us no where.