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ehteshamul
May 11, 2008, 02:46 PM
Hello Buddies!

We have been through an extended period of No Wins so far Cricket is concerned barring the wins against Ireland which is of academic interest to us. So it would be nice for us to relive some great performances of our Cricket team in not too distance past which put our country strongly on the International cricket map.

I will not throw every thing at once, just go step by step and for that reason I have named the first one MAGIC MOMMENTS RELIVE - Part1.

Depending on response and demand of our valuable readers I will have additional parts added in the future.

It will also motivate us to feel that our performance was no fluke as we have done it twice in the last World Cup One day in South Africa and that we are a capable cricketing nation and sooner or later we will come back strongly.

These are two Video Highlights.

First one is our Convincing Win against India which ultimately knocked them out of the tournament and broke the heart of millions of Indian Cricket fans.

Here is the link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUcbR5bZ5nY.


More importantly four new stars were born : Tammim, Rahim, Saqib and Razzaq.

Tammim’s was a la Viv Richards style knock. After his brutal attack of all the Indian bowlers, Dravid was seen scratching his head and even commentators noticed that he was running short of ideas.

Then came the sheet anchor innings of Mushfiq. He shepherded the innings to remain unbeaten on 56 and helped us to win a memorable match. Saqib also contributed with a well paced 53.

Mashrafee performed superbly when it mattered most and what a way he delivered with figures of 4 for 38. He was ably supported by Razzaq and Rafiq who took three wickets apiece.

I vividly remember all commentators including Ian Bishop John Wright, David Lloyd, Ranjit Fernando repeatedly mentioning two young teenagers Tammim and Rahim taking the might of India and blunting their attack.

On this day India was outplayed in all departments: Batting, Bowling and Fielding.

We have hitherto not seen all our departments performing outstandingly at the same time.

It was Bangladesh Cricket at its sublime best.

The body language, attitude, commitment said it all – We were bent on going for a kill.

The other thing I have included is Ashraful’s Man of the Man Speech after Bangladesh’s historic win against South Africa.

Here is the link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFUr1o7MyhY.

A lot of our fans are critical of Ashraful’s English speaking ability which is understandable. But we must realize English is not our mother tongue and he may not have studied in English medium school. However I must say in this case Ashraful was not that bad as he is considered to be. His English speaking was nothing spectacular. But looked much improved and his interpretation of his game plan to Sivramkrishnan was spot on. I hope Siddons will take this aspect of Ashraful and advice as appropriate. Ashraful himself can hire a good Instructor from British Council and a two month Intensive course on Pronunciation of Conversational English will do him a lot good .

I can say with assurance his English is better than Inzammam who has also improved.

I hope readers will enjoy both the video highlights.

Cheers to Everyone !

Omio
May 11, 2008, 03:20 PM
Where is part 2?

Kabir
May 11, 2008, 04:12 PM
Personally, I feel very loserish trying to cherish only a handful good moments simply because there's nothing else to cherish.

Rabz
May 12, 2008, 12:08 PM
Nice effort.

But very well said Kabir.
Getting tired of relieving glorious moments of the past.
We need some substantial moments of present.

crikfreak
May 12, 2008, 12:24 PM
its just so sad that we need to look back at the past to feel good about ourselves.. but this all just shows.. we're not that bad a team.. its just that whatever they are doing now is not correct.. they need to change all this.. i think the only one who needs to actually watch these videos is our tigers.. they need to remember their past..

sadi
May 12, 2008, 02:00 PM
What's the point? Am I missing something here?

Fazal
May 12, 2008, 02:54 PM
What's the point? Am I missing something here?

I think yes. I think you are missing the point that there is no point looking for a point where there is none to look for.

meazz1
May 12, 2008, 03:41 PM
did I miss anything? Have we won another game recently? I am confused now!!!!

Kabir
May 13, 2008, 08:39 AM
For those wondering if you missed something, look below:
Magic Moments(BD Conquers India and Ash’s MOM Speech) Relive – Part I

All you missed is Ash's mother's speech. I didn't know she gives speeches on TV?

Tigers_eye
May 13, 2008, 08:57 AM
Kabir, Rabz, Sadi, Fazal,
Are you giving me a hint that I need to change my signature as well with the Avatar?

Rabz
May 13, 2008, 12:42 PM
Kabir, Rabz, Sadi, Fazal,
Are you giving me a hint that I need to change my signature as well with the Avatar?

About your signature?

I'm afraid, yes.
Its about time, let go man.
I know its hard to say goodbye to that special one, but there's time when you just gotta do it.

It wont be easy.
there will be time when you'd be reminded of it, but you need to be strong.
Look out for a better day tomorrow.

This might help you.

http://www.horse-lover-gift-ideas-central.com/images/PonyTissueBoxCoverBITS.jpg

zainab
May 13, 2008, 04:51 PM
I dont think that Ash has time to study English. I feel that he is communicating with the coach in English and only by speaking it more, will he improve.

IMO, he has improved and he does have the guts to speak in English, he understands the language, but when he speaks he cannot express himself coherently.

ehteshamul
May 13, 2008, 09:45 PM
For those wondering if you missed something, look below:


All you missed is Ash's mother's speech. I didn't know she gives speeches on TV?


Hello Kabir,

MOM was meant Man of the Match.

Hope this helps to comprehend what was implied.

Cheers !

Fazal
May 14, 2008, 08:02 AM
MOM was meant Man of the Match.


Then shouldn't it be MOTM ?

sadi
May 14, 2008, 09:56 AM
Where do they teach Sarcasm 101 course?

ehteshamul
May 14, 2008, 06:20 PM
Then shouldn't it be MOTM ?

Hello Fazal,

Both MOM and MOTM are technically correct

It depends on how you perceive.

Let me give you a typical example

BCCI - What does it stand for?

Board of Control for Cricket in India – Right?

But for simplicity’s sake the of, for, in are not included in the abbreviation. Why ?

Because if of, for, in was included in the abbreviation it would take the shape
of BOCFCII which looks pretty complex than BCC1. Doesn’t it ?

Same idea. MOM definitely looks better and simpler than MOTM although both are technically Okay.

Hopes this helps you to understand my perception and rationale of choosing MOM instead of MOTM for Man Of The Match.

Thanks for the probe.

Cheers !

ehteshamul
May 14, 2008, 06:34 PM
"i completely agree wid u!!..some of us r being way too hard on Ash!....besides...de point iz he does not know eng but even den he haz enough guttz to go out dere n do sumthin (talk in eng) which he iz not dat gud at...hatz off to him....on de other hand...he must realize dat wen he speaks dere r several ppl around de world who watches him..in dat sense he represents hiz country...hence i juzz hope dat soon ur suggestion of hireing a good Instructor from British Council and a two month Intensive course on Pronunciation of Conversational English enters hiz head!!.....


Hello Prantika,

Thanks for your feedback.

I appreciate your inputs and also that of others.

Keep it up.

Cheers to you and others!

bujhee kom
May 14, 2008, 07:13 PM
ehteshamul bhai,

i am becoming a quick fan of yours. your way of speaking has a zen master like ring to it which i find very soothing! if you ever choose to side with the darkside and become a cult-leader i swear i will join and wouldn't hesitate to drink very very bad kool-aid!

ashraful can always improve on his english, no doubt, but i think yes, we are very often harsh on him about how he speaks. i rather have a mute ashraful who speaks through sign langauge and brings eid more often!

ehteshamul
May 14, 2008, 10:19 PM
ehteshamul bhai,

i am becoming a quick fan of yours. your way of speaking has a zen master like ring to it which i find very soothing! if you ever choose to side with the darkside and become a cult-leader i swear i will join and wouldn't hesitate to drink very very bad kool-aid!

ashraful can always improve on his english, no doubt, but i think yes, we are very often harsh on him about how he speaks. i rather have a mute ashraful who speaks through sign langauge and brings eid more often!

Hello Bujhee Kom Bhaiyya,

Thanks for your response and kind words and appreciation that you have been showering me on different posts of mine and which I do not fully deserve.

My apologies to you for not replying earlier.

A captain besides leading the team by Example, Good thinking and Motivation has to be a very good communicator to get the best out from his Team members, Coach, Selectors, BCB High Officials and also with the Media at home and when touring abroad.

His communication with most important first contact which is obviously the coach has to be worry free and both of them have to be in the same phase.

This can be efffective when the Captain’s grasp and grip of English is good.

When touring abroad a Captain has to meet and answer Press and TV media of the host country and participate in Match presentations for both One Day and Test. If he cannot maintain a minimum standard it will reflect not only poorly on the Captain, but also on the nation as a whole.

Ash has to find a way to enhance his English fluency that will require some lessons on Intermediate English followed by Lessons on specifics like Conversational English. There is no dearth of Private English Instructors. Even If he takes lessons twice a week and finishes it in 2 months it will stand him in good stead in the future.

I am a firm believer of PMA – Positive Mental Attitude. Having said that I am open to Appreciation, Criticism, Sarcasm and any other Ism that exists but beyond my Knowledge. I take these sportingly and next moment put it behind and Move On.

Bottom line is that whether one appreciates, criticizes, indulges in sarcasm (most cases unconsciously) each and every one of the reader is a buddy for me.

Cheers!

Kabir
May 14, 2008, 10:58 PM
Hello Kabir,

MOM was meant Man of the Match.

Hope this helps to comprehend what was implied.

Cheers !

Guru mansi.

Okay Eshen bhaijan...you're now free of all the non-humor charges. We've got a new non-humor talent here!

Sorry Ehteshamul bhaijan...couldn't help it :)

BANFAN
May 15, 2008, 01:31 AM
Personally, I feel very loserish trying to cherish only a handful good moments simply because there's nothing else to cherish.

Right.

We won the match. Would his better English bring us an early victory? or a better victory?

His English didn't become a barrier to victory. Just a feel good factor for the fans.

nobody
May 15, 2008, 08:00 AM
Hello Fazal,

Both MOM and MOTM are technically correct

It depends on how you perceive.

Let me give you a typical example

BCCI - What does it stand for?

Board of Control for Cricket in India – Right?

But for simplicity’s sake the of, for, in are not included in the abbreviation. Why ?

Because if of, for, in was included in the abbreviation it would take the shape
of BOCFCII which looks pretty complex than BCC1. Doesn’t it ?

Same idea. MOM definitely looks better and simpler than MOTM although both are technically Okay.

Hopes this helps you to understand my perception and rationale of choosing MOM instead of MOTM for Man Of The Match.

Thanks for the probe.

Cheers !

Guru Chalai jan.

nobody
May 15, 2008, 08:02 AM
Where do they teach Sarcasm 101 course?
Also where Humor 101 and I know everything 101 are taught ?
Guruji need those courses ASAP

Kabir
May 15, 2008, 11:01 AM
Just out of curiosity, Ehtesamul bhaijan...do you get dressed with suit and tie before going to to the bathroom as well?

Fazal
May 15, 2008, 11:09 AM
Just out of curiosity, Ehtesamul bhaijan...do you get dressed with suit and tie before going to to the bathroom as well?

ti be more specific, bow tie....

http://www.thecompleteman.co.uk/black%20polyester%20bow%20tie.jpg

ehteshamul
May 15, 2008, 06:14 PM
Just out of curiosity, Ehtesamul bhaijan...do you get dressed with suit and tie before going to to the bathroom as well?


Hello Kabir,

Don’t you think your question is out of context?

We are suppose to discuss cricket matters. Not personal Question as you have asked.

Besides don’t you think it is inappropriate for a mature adult to ask personal questions of this nature in a cricket forum which is being viewed by numerous other readers?

What sort of impression are you creating in other reader’s mind leave alone mine?

Do some soul searching and ask your conscience whether the question that you asked was Right or Wrong? Beside I am sorry to say inappropriate questions of the type you asked reflects a poor personality of a person.

Bottom line I am not going to answer any inappropriate questions?

Besides remember there is Forum Code of conduct we all have to conform to including myself.

Moving forward I hope you will come up with questions and comments on cricketing stuff

I will be happy to answer that.

I am afraid in future if there is any more inappropriate personal questions I will have to refer to the Third Umpire – i.e. the staff of BanglaCric Forum.

Hope this will make you wiser and better.

Cheers!

ehteshamul
May 15, 2008, 06:58 PM
Also where Humor 101 and I know everything 101 are taught ?
Guruji need those courses ASAP


Hello Nobody.

Sarcasm has no room in my mind.

I stay Positive. I think Positive. I act Positive .

When people indulge in throwing sarcasm in another without valid rhyme or reason it represents inner feeling of frustration vented out in someone else.

This typically happens when one person cannot match another in quality . It is human nature.

So I am not overly surprised by some of the sarcasm here and there in the forum.

I am a firm believer that if one has guts and intelligence then one should Think Straight. Talk Straight and Act Straight. I can assure you the margin of error is much less than one stooping to sarcasm or ill humor and any ism that has a grey area.

Hope this will make you better and wiser.

Cheers!

Ajfar
May 15, 2008, 07:42 PM
bhaijaner mone hoi...katukutu lage na??

ehteshamul
May 15, 2008, 09:47 PM
bhaijaner mone hoi...katukutu lage na??

Hello bangladesh_sy

Is your IQ working okay ? It does not seem so.

I can refer you to our Match Referee- BanglaCricket Forum staff.

I am sure they have quick fixes.

You will come out wiser and tactful.

Thank about it.

Cheers !

ehteshamul
May 15, 2008, 10:01 PM
I dont think that Ash has time to study English. I feel that he is communicating with the coach in English and only by speaking it more, will he improve.

IMO, he has improved and he does have the guts to speak in English, he understands the language, but when he speaks he cannot express himself coherently.


Hello Zainab,

I am producing a part of my Reply posting to bujhee kom bhai that will give you insights on the rationale of why I think Ashraful as a captain needs to improve his English.

Here you go.

A captain besides leading the team by Example, Good thinking and Motivation has to be a very good communicator to get the best out from his Team members, Coach, Selectors, BCB High Officials and also with the Media at home and when touring abroad.

His communication with most important first contact which is obviously the coach has to be worry free and both of them have to be in the same phase.

This can be efffective when the Captain’s grasp and grip of English is good.

When touring abroad a Captain has to meet and answer Press and TV media of the host country and participate in Match presentations for both One Day and Test. If he cannot maintain a minimum standard it will reflect not only poorly on the Captain, but also on the nation as a whole.

Ash has to find a way to enhance his English fluency that will require some lessons on Intermediate English followed by Lessons on specifics like Conversational English. There is no dearth of Private English Instructors. Even If he takes lessons twice a week and finishes it in 2 months it will stand him in good stead in the future.

Cheers!

Sohel
May 16, 2008, 12:37 AM
Just out of curiosity, Ehtesamul bhaijan...do you get dressed with suit and tie before going to to the bathroom as well?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/Hal-9000.jpg

Miyabhai K,

Behuda lekchar shunbar eyato khayesh hoile bissobiddaloye phira jaon jay. BTW, I think Arnab missed something here, perhaps inadvertently so. (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showpost.php?p=687649&postcount=18) At this age of ultra sophisticated micro circuitry and what not, I think the days of digital, as in fingers, interface may actually be obsolete for some.

Anyway, it's good to see HAL 9000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000) discovering BC at last. You need a neck to wear a tie, not to mention a few other things to do a few other things.

Keep the faith my brother ... :)

Ajfar
May 16, 2008, 10:46 AM
Hello bangladesh_sy

Is your IQ working okay ? It does not seem so.

I can refer you to our Match Referee- BanglaCricket Forum staff.

I am sure they have quick fixes.

You will come out wiser and tactful.

Thank about it.

Cheers !

bhaijan ki aita threat dilen na..upodesh dilen bujlam na..

Kabir
May 16, 2008, 04:20 PM
We are suppose to discuss cricket matters. Not personal Question as you have asked.

Fair enough. In that case, you shouldn't have opened the "amare ora boka dise" type of cry-baby-type thread in FC.

Besides don’t you think it is inappropriate for a mature adult to ask personal questions of this nature in a cricket forum which is being viewed by numerous other readers?

Khaise...amar dadi o to ertheika less "privacy" cautious!

What sort of impression are you creating in other reader’s mind leave alone mine?

Actually, very good ones. If you're not aware of it, I can't give any less c*a* about what you think.

Do some soul searching and ask your conscience whether the question that you asked was Right or Wrong? Beside I am sorry to say inappropriate questions of the type you asked reflects a poor personality of a person.

Okay, let me re-word your comment. It is actually inability to digest a little humor reflects a sad personality.

Bottom line I am not going to answer any inappropriate questions?

Don't wory...I won't release my Hanif-bhai-er-kedar-bahini behind you for not answering that. But I certainly would enjoy reading the answer to that...too bad!

Besides remember there is Forum Code of conduct we all have to conform to including myself.

Tai naki? Jantam na to?

Moving forward I hope you will come up with questions and comments on cricketing stuff

Moving forward, I am pretty sure that I will not come up with a question for any humor-challenged member of this forum. In fact, I promised not to do that before...but Eshen bhaijan somehow made me change my mind.

I will be happy to answer that.

Thank you, but no thanks. That won't be necessary.

I am afraid in future if there is any more inappropriate personal questions I will have to refer to the Third Umpire – i.e. the staff of BanglaCric Forum.

I'm sorry (in british accent)...but I don't like any comment of such sort from a humor-challenged individual. If you want to refer to the BC staff, call them BC staff. Not third umpire. Calling them third-umpires make you look quite unsmart.

Hope this will make you wiser and better.

Wiser, and better? After reading your letter in a forum letter-head? Khaise...Friedman was actually right. The world has become flat!

Cheers!

I don't need that. You can take it back.

Kabir
May 16, 2008, 04:22 PM
[I]Miyabhai K,


Finally you're back! You've been missed :)

Fazal
May 16, 2008, 05:09 PM
Mississauga is not too far from Toronto. Lets see who wins....

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Funny/tiny_bicep.jpg

ehteshamul
May 16, 2008, 05:11 PM
bhaijan ki aita threat dilen na..upodesh dilen bujlam na..

There is no question of Threat or Advice. As a mature adult and in conformity of forum rules we should focus our questions and discussions on cricketing matters and not direct negative comments/sarcasm of personal nature that tantamount to personal vilifications.

Tell me what does your comment has to do with Cricket.

Don’t you think such kind of comment is rude and unethical in any culture?

When one makes such comments it do not enhance him/her rather it cuts a sorry picture amongst other readers.

If you have any questions on any of my threads or postings related to cricket matter you are more than welcome to criticize /appreciate because that is your right as a reader and that is what the forum is all about?

However Every Reader including myself is expected to conform to Forum Code of Conduct.

If that does not happen it can be referred to The Third Umpire or Match Referee - I mean BanglaCricket Forum Staff. This is also a part of Forum Rules. If you have not read it now is the time to read it and I am sure if you do that you will become more enlightened with regards to Dos and Don’ts of a Reader in this forum.

For you and other reader’s benefit I am putting below the Forum Rules as appropriate to this scenario.


Forum Rules

The BanglaCricket forums have grown tremendously over the last several years and we thank all of you for being a part of this growing community. Our goal is to maintain a pleasant and welcoming environment for everyone. In order to keep the BanglaCricket forums running well and to prevent problems, please follow these simple rules for the forums here. If you have any questions or problems, please feel free to contact one of the staff or moderators.

: General rules


General Rules for A.1: Maintaining a civil and courteous forum.

A.1.1: Please maintain both G rated and pleasant reading environment at all times. Do not use words that are generally avoided in front of children and parents out of respect.

A.1.2: Please be courteous and respectful to the opposing / differing opinion and never attack a poster. Articulate your own opinion with sound reasoning.

A.1.3: Refrain from rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Our decision is final in these matters .

A.1.4: Avoid posting about your personal hatred toward any country, nationality, race, ethnicity, religion and gender.

A.1.5: Avoid posting meaningless threads, one word (or short) non-sense posts, or such.

A.1.6: Discussion of illegal activities such as software and music piracy and other intellectual property violations are not allowed.

A.1.7: Forum nicks must not be offensive and must be less than 10 characters long.


The role of The Third Umpire or Match Referee is to review the matter before it gets out of hand and come up with a solution that is to the mutual benefit of the parties concerned and avoid future occurrence.

With your experience of 1747 posts and status of Test cricketer against my meagre posts of 75 and low status of Club Cricketer you should understand the Forum Code of Conduct much better than me. Shouldn’t you?

I hope you have better understanding of what I meant and do some soul searching.

Cheers!

layperson
May 16, 2008, 06:16 PM
Ehtesamul uncle is my new favourite member.

tonoy
May 16, 2008, 06:35 PM
round 1, Faiight!!!

Nafis_BD
May 16, 2008, 06:37 PM
round 1, Faiight!!!

Round oneis already done, it's round 2 now!! Come one Kabir bhaiya.....Ehtesamul bhaiya!!!

ehteshamul
May 16, 2008, 07:59 PM
Fair enough. In that case, you shouldn't have opened the "amare ora boka dise" type of cry-baby-type thread in FC.

Khaise...amar dadi o to ertheika less "privacy" cautious!

Actually, very good ones. If you're not aware of it, I can't give any less c*a* about what you think.

Okay, let me re-word your comment. It is actually inability to digest a little humor reflects a sad personality.

Don't wory...I won't release my Hanif-bhai-er-kedar-bahini behind you for not answering that. But I certainly would enjoy reading the answer to that...too bad!

Tai naki? Jantam na to?

Moving forward, I am pretty sure that I will not come up with a question for any humor-challenged member of this forum. In fact, I promised not to do that before...but Eshen bhaijan somehow made me change my mind.

Thank you, but no thanks. That won't be necessary.

I'm sorry (in british accent)...but I don't like any comment of such sort from a humor-challenged individual. If you want to refer to the BC staff, call them BC staff. Not third umpire. Calling them third-umpires make you look quite unsmart.

Hope this will make you wiser and better.

Wiser, and better? After reading your letter in a forum letter-head? Khaise...Friedman was actually right. The world has become flat!

I don't need that. You can take it back.

Hello Kabir,

For your better understanding of Code of Conduct of this forum I am providing below the portion that is appropriate in this scenario

Forum Rules

The BanglaCricket forum have grown tremendously over the last several years and we thank all of you for being a part of this growing community. Our goal is to maintain a pleasant and welcoming environment for everyone. In order to keep the BanglaCricket forums running well and to prevent problems, please follow these simple rules for the forums here. If you have any questions or problems, please feel free to contact one of the staff or moderators.

: General rules


General Rules for A.1: Maintaining a civil and courteous forum.

A.1.1: Please maintain both G rated and pleasant reading environment at all times. Do not use words that are generally avoided in front of children and parents out of respect.

A.1.2: Please be courteous and respectful to the opposing / differing opinion and never attack a poster. Articulate your own opinion with sound reasoning.

A.1.3: Refrain from rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Our decision is final in these matters .

A.1.4: Avoid posting about your personal hatred toward any country, nationality, race, ethnicity, religion and gender.

A.1.5: Avoid posting meaningless threads, one word (or short) non-sense posts, or such.

A.1.6: Discussion of illegal activities such as software and music piracy and other intellectual property violations are not allowed.

A.1.7: Forum nicks must not be offensive and must be less than 10 characters long.

I hope after reviewing the above you will come out enlightened and we will see a better Version (in a good sense!) of Kabir with more focus on cricketing and less on personal vilification .

Practice make Perfect !. If you practice doing the right things and cut on the Googlies (Wrong uns ) in the light of the Code of conduct Rules I can assure you will run into less controversies and your margin of error will also be minimal.

So Get started! You will see effects of PMA (POSITIVE MENTAL ATTITUDE).

It will work wonders for you.Take my word.

Cheers!

BANFAN
May 17, 2008, 02:33 AM
"We are suppose to discuss cricket matters. Not personal Question as you have asked.
"

How the hell, English can be a part of cricket?

If it is leading the team !! Is Ash becoming the team captain of England? Didn't know that. If he is leading the Bangladesh team, isn't Bangla enough to communicate with the team members?

If someone is feeling inferior, because Ash doesn't speak good Englisk, that's your prob man. :-)

ehteshamul
May 17, 2008, 08:00 AM
"We are suppose to discuss cricket matters. Not personal Question as you have asked.
"

How the hell, English can be a part of cricket?

If it is leading the team !! Is Ash becoming the team captain of England? Didn't know that. If he is leading the Bangladesh team, isn't Bangla enough to communicate with the team members?

If someone is feeling inferior, because Ash doesn't speak good Englisk, that's your prob man. :-)

You are absolutely right when you said Would his better English bring us an early victory? or a better victory?

His English didn't become a barrier to victory.

I think you are confusing performance with communication with Media, Match Presentation. Aren’t you ?

It appears you did not follow what I wrote.

Hence I am reproducing for you to read it once more

A lot of our fans are critical of Ashraful’s English speaking ability which is understandable. But we must realize English is not our mother tongue and he may not have studied in English medium school. However I must say in this case Ashraful was not that bad as he is considered to be. His English speaking was nothing spectacular. But looked much improved and his interpretation of his game plan to Sivramkrishnan was spot on. I hope Siddons will take this aspect of Ashraful and advice as appropriate. Ashraful himself can hire a good Instructor from British Council and a two month Intensive course on Pronunciation of Conversational English will do him a lot good.

If you have understood well I am referring to the Man of The Match speech. where I have defended him as speaking okay Next I am positioning him ahead of Inzammam. However one notices room for improvement and it was in this context that I have put forward my suggestions

His communication with most important first contact which is obviously the coach has to be worry free and both of them have to be in the same phase and Siddons speaks English as he is an Australian.

This can be effective when the Captain’s grasp and grip of English is good.

I have added this for this reply to youI

If one lacks fluency or stock of words in English one cannot feel comfortable speaking to an English Speaking Coach about issues/ideas that may require attention for the simple reason that he might fumble in conversation so better refrain from doing that.

It was because of serious Communication gap between Inzammam ,his team members with late Coach Bob Woolmer that Pakistan had to hire Mushtaq Ahmed as an Assistant Coach whose role was to act as an interpreter.

When touring abroad a Captain has to meet and answer Press and TV media of the host country and participate in Match presentations for both One Day and Test. If he cannot maintain a minimum standard it will reflect not only poorly on the Captain, but also on the nation as a whole.

Lets look at captains of Asian Cricketing nations.

Both Ex Captains of India - Sourav and Dravid had a good grasp of English and communicated very well with Coach (John Wright and Greg Chappel) , Press, TV media of Touring countries and presented themselves well in Match Presentations
Even the present captain Kumble speaks very well.

The same with Sri Lankans. Mahela’s English is nothing outstanding but he is good.

Now Pakistan.

Inzammam during his days was horrible. Though he improved much at later stage.

After his introductory ‘Bismilaher Rahmaner Rahim which is a good thing to say for all Muslims, the rest of his speech for many of us were Greek.

Younis Khan during a few times he captained was a shade better but did not give the impression that he was in the same class as the Indian and Srilankan Captains.

He has improved much with his stints at English County

One expects a minimum Standard – you do not need to speak spectacular English. If Ash can speak close to a any of the Indian captains or Sri lankan one he will have done his job.

It was in the light of that I suggested

Ash has to find a way to enhance his English fluency that will require some lessons on Intermediate English followed by Lessons on specifics like Conversational English. There is no dearth of Private English Instructors. Even If he takes lessons twice a week and finishes it in 2 months it will stand him in good stead in the future.

I am a fan and well wisher of Ash. If you notice He is still No1 in my favourite list of Cricketers. In this case The head has to Rule not the Heart. So I thought the need to put forward my thoughts and suggestions.

Hope this helps .

Cheers!

Ajfar
May 17, 2008, 10:06 AM
bhaijan..apnar moto sobjanta manusher sathe beadobi kora thik hoinai..kichu mone raiken na..maf koira dien...ar dowa koiren..

BANFAN
May 17, 2008, 02:25 PM
You are absolutely right when you said Would his better English bring us an early victory? or a better victory?

His English didn't become a barrier to victory.

I think you are confusing performance with communication with Media, Match Presentation. Aren’t you ?

It appears you did not follow what I wrote.

Hence I am reproducing for you to read it once more

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Cheers!

Copying previous posts, don't make any sense. Specially when it didn't make sense first time, copying it again feels like shouting.

Many of the European league players and coaches run with interpreters. Many of the world class sports personalities even don't speak English. Emphasising too much of English is just stupid, when they are not able to play the game properly. It's just a colonial mentality.

Knowing a language is good, but if someone puts it as a barrier to attaining a particular standard in sports, that's rubish. If your game is good, those press will bring interpreters at their cost to talk to you.

There is a difference in working in a multinational company and a sports team. Let them play good cricket, when the team wins every game, ash's English will sound like Shakespeare's poems. Once it becomes a habit to win, people will get boared and will focus on such feel good factors.

Please Don't forget to handover this topic to your children, to discuss it later in BC. When Ash's Son will be the Captain.
:-)

auntu
May 17, 2008, 02:39 PM
lamba lamba kotha chole dekhi re baou...

BD-Shardul
May 17, 2008, 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by BANFAN

.................................................. .................................................. .........Please Don't forget to handover this topic to your children, to discuss it later in BC. When Ash's Son will be the Captain.

Great post Banfan bhai. But one thing, Ash to biya korbo na, se naki cricket prem kore Shoaib akter er suray namaj pore naki!!. Only GOD knows if his cricket prem is in true spirit or he just sings it to make money under its banner.

bhaijan..apnar moto sobjanta manusher sathe beadobi kora thik hoinai..kichu mone raiken na..maf koira dien...ar dowa koiren..

:-D

to bhaijan apner avatar dekhi abar change?

ehteshamul
May 17, 2008, 07:38 PM
Copying previous posts, don't make any sense. Specially when it didn't make sense first time, copying it again feels like shouting.

Many of the European league players and coaches run with interpreters. Many of the world class sports personalities even don't speak English. Emphasising too much of English is just stupid, when they are not able to play the game properly. It's just a colonial mentality.

Knowing a language is good, but if someone puts it as a barrier to attaining a particular standard in sports, that's rubish. If your game is good, those press will bring interpreters at their cost to talk to you.

There is a difference in working in a multinational company and a sports team. Let them play good cricket, when the team wins every game, ash's English will sound like Shakespeare's poems. Once it becomes a habit to win, people will get boared and will focus on such feel good factors.

Please Don't forget to handover this topic to your children, to discuss it later in BC. When Ash's Son will be the Captain.
:-)

Hello Banfan,

Thanks for your views.

We are all entitled for our views in this forum.

So if you do not agree that is fine.

But I stand by what I have said.

I am confident my thinking and suggestions will be translated into reality in the foreseeable future because it is a circumstantial necessity.

Time will show who was Right and who was Wrong ?

So No worries Buddy.

Lets leave it that now and Move On.

Wish you the very best!

Cheers!

ehteshamul
May 17, 2008, 07:56 PM
bhaijan..apnar moto sobjanta manusher sathe beadobi kora thik hoinai..kichu mone raiken na..maf koira dien...ar dowa koiren..

Hello bangladesh_sy

Thanks for your humble acknowledgment.

I have no hard feelings.

Moving on we are buddies.

Take care.

Cheers!

Ajfar
May 17, 2008, 08:27 PM
:-D

to bhaijan apner avatar dekhi abar change?

hoo aita hoilo kaja Baba...momtaz er kaja baba gan sunchen??

Ahmed_B
May 17, 2008, 11:02 PM
Requesting everyone to stick to the topic and not continue to challenge each-other's intelligence levels. So far.. this thread is heading absolutely nowhere.

-Mod

thebest
May 18, 2008, 08:55 AM
This is the funniest thread ever. We have a sobjanta Shomser in our midst. Kabir and co is trying to prove him a mere mortal. Missing Orphy in this thread

yaseer
July 15, 2008, 02:06 AM
This has to be the funniest thread ever. I was going through it....and i never laughed as much before in any thread in BC.

Sorry for pulling out an old thread like this........i could not resist myself to post a reply.

auntu
July 15, 2008, 09:35 AM
lamba lamba kotha chole dekhi re baou...

yes dude i quote with my old post in this thread.;)