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al Furqaan
June 12, 2008, 12:34 PM
the prerequisite for consistent consistency in international cricket has to be a matter of selecting the right personnel. from the coach and selectors, to the managers and players. we're stuck with all that we have at least for the short time, but we can do a wiser job of picking players.

i won't place full blame on the selectors, because you can't know if a rookie pacer will go for 24 runs and a wicket in his first over unless you play him. however, there are some moves - perhaps done by regimes past - which scream "tunnel vision" and "defeatism".
the prime example was the persistence of both Javed Omar and Habibul Bashar long after their "sell by" date. at least in JO's case, the other opening batsmen were equally to blame for providing an opening with their constant wobbles.

In my opinion, the limited overs side must be composed of 3 types of players. 2 types of batsmen, or at least batsmen capable of playing in 2 vastly different "gears" and bowlers who can contain the opposition with and without taking wickets.

to me, it makes absolutely no sense to play 3 pacers, if the 3rd pacer is clearly not international calibre. of course a bowler who has potential can be persisted with for a reasonable amount of time, but must show tangible development to warrant a place in the ODI XI. it doesn't matter if you're playing in the WACA, if you only have 2 decent seamers, play them and let the rest be spinners. and vice versa if you don't have a decent spin attack.

in the test lineup, the bowlers role changes, wicket taking is of utmost concern, not matter what the economy rate. again, if you only have 2 fast bowlers who can take wickets, drop the 3rd and take the most threatening bowler, slow or fast, you have left. the batsmen should be those who can play a long innings, and score some runs along the way. of course, in our case we don't have many batsmen who can occupy the crease, so talent and potential must again lead the way.

Test XI

1) Tamim - obvious pick
2) Junaid - has potential
3) Raqib - perhaps the one guy with "bat for 2 sessions" mindset
4) Ashraful - obvious pick
5) Saqib - can he replicate his ODI success?
6) Aftab - obvious pick
7) Rahim - potential batting stalwart
8) Mashrafee - obvious pick
9) Shahadat - obvious pick
10) Rasel - the next best bowler, will surprise on his day
11) Enamul - more threatening than Razzak or Rubel

at the moment only SN is in the reserve list, though I am intrigued as to Mahmudullah's batting - can he hold up in the toughest form of the game?

ODI XI

1) Tamim - obvious pick
2) Junaid - there is no way he maintain a single digit average for long...the future
3) Raqib - if he can't bat here, than #4 is fine
4) Ashraful - obvious pick
5) Sakib - obvious pick
6) Aftab - obvious pick - lets use him as a finisher till he becomes sensible
7) Dhiman - batting is quite superior to Rahim's in LO cricket, bad keeper
8) Riyad - impressive so far, offies could add some needed variation
9) Mash - obvious pick
10) Razzak - obvious pick
11) Rasel - obvious pick

I would forget about playing shahadat though i would continue working with him, or better yet just save him for tests. farhad i put in the same boat as rajib. dollar mahmud is probably the only pacer i would consider beyond the top 2, atm.

In this ODI lineup, tamim, ash, and aftab are capable of upping the RR at any time provided they're in form and settled. despite ash averaging 92 (mean of 46) in #3 position, i think its too much for him. he's the captain of the worst side in int'l cricket, and batting at the most important spot has turned him into javed omar v 5.0. let him play his "favorite" 2 down position. only if raqib fails at 3, should we think of shifting ash there. we have to score more than 220 to be competitive in any circumstance. raqib and sakib are the "consolidators" and both are capable of playing in the all important 3rd gear - scoring runs at 5 an over without taking risks or relying on boundaries. they can bat in 2nd or 3rd gear.

a sample of what we should be able to do on a good day and/or every 3rd or 4th innings:

tamim - 50 from 60
junaid - 25 from 40
raqib - 40 from 60
ash - 40 from 50
sakib - 30 from 45
aftab - 40 from 35
dhiman - 15 from 10

this gives you 240 from 300 balls, which is not bad. it might not win you many games nowadays, but with extras and good slogging down the order, 255-270 is possible.

again, this won't happen often, but if we can pull this off once every 4th innings - which is our eventual goal, BD will win games regularily.

the key is selecting the right people.

thebest
June 12, 2008, 01:22 PM
AF,
there is no right XI. All wrong XI. We simply do not belong to top tier. When your best batsman has an average in mid twenties; when one celebrate a pedestrian fifty, do you really think we really should be considered as elite. if you can not score @6.00 (i.e. 300 in 50 overs) in ODI regulerly then you simply a pretender not a real deal. Whom should we blame? Players certainly; it is there performance that count. But real blame lies to BCB. At least we know our victory againest India in WC was not a fluke or upset. We were expecting; but after that all went downward. the blame lies solely on BCB. BCB failed to sustain the momentum. One after one poor decesion were made. The obvious one was selecting Rafiq and Durjoy as selectors. Rafiq never in his cricketing career showed sensibility in his batting. I am watching BD cricket seriously since early 1980s. On the other hand when Durjoy was selected more on his political connection than cricketing knowledge. When you have Sujon, Selim Sahed , Bulbul (all were thinking cricketer) I just fail to understand why those two were selected. Then came the management issue. Do you know BCB is without any permanent CEO for the last six months. I would not say appointment of Siddons was wrong. But I fail to understand why they did not appoint McInnes who knew the players better than their mothers. I blame them for not taking appropiate action. Siddons is continously demeaning performance of Bangladesh when he himself tell us that he did not watch any BD win bar the Aussi one; BCB did nothing. When Aftab told them he is happy with his performance they did nothing. If BCB is satisfied with a ten average of a top order batsman why player would work hard to improve his performance. If I was in BCB ,I would have summarily sack Aftab. We all know we are a young team. The team is young not because young players are outstanding but older players were non-performing. What BCB did to encourage older player. They forced the only performing old player to retire. Are they fostering the new players? That is also not the case. Can someone please let me know why Dhiman, Sajid was drop? For me Dhiman's performance is better than most of the player and Sajid has only one bad match.
If you want to select the right player, please select the right people at BCB. Otherwise it is futile exercise. Look how is Pak are performing. There board is replica of us; This is reflected in their performance in field. I think the present Pak team is the worst Pakistan ever worn the Pak color. Compare to that India dramatically changed. Indian team is shining. Like him or Hate him (I hate) Lalit Modi brought dynamism in BCCI. the result is obvious.
But Where is our Lalit

SS
June 12, 2008, 01:50 PM
thebest bhai cholen amra shob BCB te jai..
Ind er ase lolit ar amader lolit gese Bilat(london)
Matha ala gone
Dhandabazira shob akon Don

Spitfire_x86
June 12, 2008, 01:53 PM
With so many "obvious picks", one would expect our team to perform at least as well as West Indies :-|

cricket_dorshok
June 12, 2008, 02:07 PM
the best summarized nicely.

Tigers_eye
June 12, 2008, 02:20 PM
GOD given talent means nothing unless players use their GOD GIVEN brains a little. It is just sad to see fans having more knowledge than the players, organisers, officials. The sincerity level is next to zero to those which matters the most.

Pundit
June 12, 2008, 02:29 PM
This is a good thread topic from AF. I am dis-heartened by the responses though.

You had put your finger on a critical item - we are rotating players too much. I just cannot fathom how Farhad R, who is at best a decent (by our standards) 5th ODI bowler, actually opens the innings. When is RASSEL ? This is the biggest mistake our selectors keep on making. While Farhad has potential, Rassel will continue to make more meaningful impacts on the outcome of the game.

The only exceptions are perhaps -

TEST Team: Keeping Shareer Nafees for consideration

ODI Team: Let;s see how Kapali does, and keep Shahadat as a contingency.

A just cannot also understand why someone did not work with Shahadat after the 1st game, instead of bringing in Farhad.

bdchamp20
June 12, 2008, 02:36 PM
Test XI:
Tamim Iqbal
Junaid Siddique
Mohammad Ashraful
Raqibul Hasan
Shahriar Nafees
Alok Kapali/Rajin Saleh
Mushfiqur Rahim+
Mashrafe Mortaza*
Mosharaf Hossain
Syed Rasel
Shahadat Hossain

ODI XI:
Tamim Iqbal
Junaid Siddique
Mohammad Ashraful
Raqibul Hasan
Shakib Al Hasan
Alok Kapali
Dhiman Ghosh+
Mashrafe Mortaza*
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hossain(If he can gain more control over his bowling if he cant then Farhad)
Syed Rasel

habfreak
June 12, 2008, 03:01 PM
Test XI:
ODI XI:
Tamim
Junaid
Ashraful
Raqibul
Shakib
Kapali
Dhiman+
Mashrafe
Razzak
Shahadat(If he can gain more control over his bowling if he cant then Farhad)

Shahdat on his worst day is better than Reza.Reza and Kapali are Chipa golir cricketers...I don't wanna see them in BD colours ever again. Shahadat can win us matches single handedly on his day...like Mash or Lalla.
but if we don't have the balls to risk playing him and not patient enough to let him develop with some kind of job security...then play Dollar in ODIs, even sharif or Shanto,,,YES SHANTO has more to offer to BD cricket than Reza. And Durjoy has more left in him than Kapali would ever contribute to BD cricket. lets bring back Shanto and Durjoy (Selim Shahed too:floor:) before we even utter those 2 names..REZA AND KAPALI...*Pukes*

Fazal
June 12, 2008, 03:11 PM
ok now that we know the right XI,

now give us your left XI

Tigers_eye
June 12, 2008, 03:52 PM
That is not the right XI.

For tests: Rajin Saleh in, Aftab Ahmeb out. Nafis Iqbal in the final XII.
For ODIs: Aftab out and anyone who can bat a little and bowl fast. Be it Forhad, Dolar, Nazmul, Sajid.

Aftab can join the team once he fixes his head and understanding of his game. He must admit and pronounce 10+ average can not be a good performance for a five game series.

Weeds kill the lawn. Currently Aftab is a weed for BD team.

niroshu
June 12, 2008, 04:16 PM
right XI deyar age ekta kotha amago BCB membar ra ki ei bangla cricket k ki check kore?
na korleo ami asha kori hoito tara ekdin korbe.

jaihok ami right XI na diye right XV dei

test XV

1. TAMIM
2. JAVED ( SHAHRIAR theke onek valo khele , SHAHRIAR moto to r jharu dei na )
3. BASHAR ( ekhon o dorkar ase )
4. ASHRAFUL
5. SAKIB ( batin ballin ei kisu ektai kaze ashbe )
6. PILOT ( onno keo nai )
7. AFTAB ( chalai neoya hok, na parle replacement er ovab nai )
8. RAFIQ ( selector bh ra ekhon o RAFIQ k dorkar ase, plz taklur kotha na suina, RAFIQ re firai anen )
9. MORTAZA
10.RASEL
11.SHAHADAT
12.RAZZAK ( enemul er future onndhokar r RAFIQ er pore to oke dorkar )
13.DHIMAN ( PILOT er sathe thakte thakte mature hoiye jabe )
14.RAQIBUL ( AFTAB injury te porle service dite parbe )
15.JUNAEED ( ekdin TAMIM er motoi hoiye bair hobe, tkhn r amader opener ei kono problem thakbe na. onek din ei dui jon amader service dite parbe )

*SHAHRIA ( jharu deoyar jonno loker ovab nai, so eto tk diye ore rakhar proyojon o nai )

ODI XV

1. TAMIM
2. JAVED ( run na koruk, but 10 over projonto to khelte pare )
3. BASHAR ( amader middle oder er batsman ra ekhn averge ei 20 runs kore, r BASHAR o 20 runs ei kore. tai ekjon oviggo kheloyar hishabe ami BASHAR k support kori )
4. ASHRAFUL ( BASHAR ase to , tai ASHRAFUL o onek valo khelbo. lolllllll. hope CARDIFF tokhon fire ashbe )
5. SAKIB ( ekta matro amader allrounder, sobsomoy ei kaze ashe )
6. AFTAB ( ei position ei khelle amra abar boom boom aftab k khuje pabo. jhimai jhimai 20 runs er theke dhap dhup 20 runs onek valo. bisesh kore ei position ei )
7. DHIMAN ( musfiq er moto eto catch miss kore na. R bat hateo onek valo )
8. RAFIQ ( ekhon o furai jai nai. ball hate nile ekhon o wicket pai )
9. MASHRAFEE
10.RAZZAK
11.RASEL
12.DOLLAR ( kharap na, wicket paoyar ekta jid ase )
13.JUNAEED
14.MAHAMUDULLAH
15.RAQIBUL

*SHAHADAT ( o hosse amader STEYN, so test ei kheluk )

Russell2k7
June 12, 2008, 04:27 PM
With so many "obvious picks", one would expect our team to perform at least as well as West Indies :-|

West Indies they strong now. After world cup Ind, Pak, WI, have become quite stronger, while Bangladeshi bolods have slumped to arguably the lowest point since 2000. They also have world class batsman in Cpaul and Sarwan. We dont have any batsman who can even match them. But I am hopeful that JS has a long term plan. What other coaches managed to do was some fluky wins here and there and no long term improvements with the bolods.

al Furqaan
June 12, 2008, 07:42 PM
With so many "obvious picks", one would expect our team to perform at least as well as West Indies :-|

obvious by our standards. obviously, if we had 4 or 5 sarwans or shivs, none of our batsmen would be in the final XI.

djnaved
June 12, 2008, 08:26 PM
for test:

Javed Omar
Tamim Iqbal
Shahriar Nafees/Junayed Siddiqi
Rokibul( Mohammad Yousuf number 2:D)
Ashraful
Mahmudullah
Dhiman
Pilot( still he is our best wicket keeper)
Shahdat( our del steyn:D)
Sakib
Razzak
Mashrafee
Rajin Saleh

Stand by: Forhad and Nazimuddin

for odi:

Tamim
nazimuddin
Sakib
Rokibul
Mahmudullah
Razzak
Ashraful
Rasel
Mashrafee
Forhad
Dhiman( as my first choice)
Pilot( mushfiqer je khela, premier league run koira akhon in't matche wicket throw kore, er theke pilot e best)
Doller Mahmud

shahriar mofeez, golden duck boy, and aftab are out of the team

anyone agree?

Ajfar
June 12, 2008, 09:44 PM
for once i'd like to see bangladesh play a series without a debut player...

tiger_club
June 13, 2008, 12:03 AM
I think it's time selectors give chance to Rasel. He has the third best bowling average compare to all BD bowlers. He should be automatically included in the team. Is there any thing fishy going on that we're not aware of? I urge BCB to take this matter seriously.

Best averages

Bangladesh - One-Day Internationals

Player Span Mat Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5
Gazi Ashraf 1986-1990 7 8.3 0 33 2 1/7 16.50 3.88 25.5 0 0
Abdur Razzak 2004-2008 68 589.3 33 2485 97 5/33 25.61 4.21 36.4 2 1
Syed Rasel 2005-2008 34 295.3 35 1236 44 4/22 28.09 4.18 40.2 1 0
Mashrafe Mortaza 2001-2008 82 692.1 63 3178 107 6/26 29.70 4.59 38.8 4 1
Manjural Islam Rana 2003-2006 25 166.0 9 689 23 4/34 29.95 4.15 43.3 2 0
Rajin Saleh 2003-2006 43 89.5 1 459 15 4/16 30.60 5.10 35.9 1 0
Enamul Haque 2005-2005 3 30.0 1 129 4 2/37 32.25 4.30 45.0 0 0
Tareq Aziz 2002-2004 10 77.3 7 424 13 3/19 32.61 5.47 35.7 0 0
Sanwar Hossain 1998-2003 27 63.5 1 327 10 3/49 32.70 5.12 38.3 0 0
Aminul Islam 1999-1999 1 5.0 1 33 1 1/33 33.00 6.60 30.0 0

Baundule
June 13, 2008, 01:25 AM
thebest said it all.

Don't find any motivation in doing this type of permuation and combination before each and every series, each and every match. The problem lies with the management.

Sohel
June 13, 2008, 02:57 AM
Top post from thebest. The first few lines say it all.

That said, here's my LEFT XI for what it's worth: -

1. Sirajul Alam Khan (Captain & Coach).
2. Farhad Mazhar (V. Captain, Seaming Allrounder).
3. Rashed Khan Menon (WK).
4. MI Selim.
5. Inu.
6. Rono.
7. Shahjahan Shiraj (Switch-hitting Allrounder).
8. Suranjit Sengupta (Switch-hitting Allrounder).
9. ASM Abdur Rab.
10. Marx Miya.
11. Lenin Bhai.

ausbangfan
June 13, 2008, 03:02 AM
Test-
1 Tamim Iqbal
2 Junaid Siddique
3 Shahriar Nafees
4 Raqibul Hasan
5 Mohammad Ashraful
6 Shakib al Hasan
7 Mushfiqur Rahim
8 Mashrafe Mortaza
9 Shahadat Hossain
10 Syed Rasel
11 Enamul Haque jnr
12th Man Rajin Saleh

ODI-
1 Tamim Iqbal
2 Junaid Siddique
3 Raqibul Hasan
4 Mohammad Ashraful
5 Shakib al Hasan
6 Aftab Ahmed
7 Dhiman Gosh
8 Mashrafe Mortaza
9 Abdur Razzak
10 Shahadat Hossain
11 Syed Rasel
12th Man Mahmudullah Riyad

Razi
June 13, 2008, 03:36 AM
[বাংলা]Amader kotha shunle to bhaloi chilo[/বাংলা]

bdchamp20
June 13, 2008, 10:01 AM
thebest, excellent post. You're 100% right. I till this day can't understand why were so many changes made after the WC? That was our best tournament ever. No real attempt was made to hang onto Dav Whatmore who is a specialist in coaching Asian teams. Instead the BCB threatened him with a court case. Ok fine, Dav announced his resignation a month before. During this time they could've found a suitable replacement. Tom Moody also resigned from SL position they could've approached him or McIness who coached our most successful U-19 team ever. He made headlines for dropping then captain Enamul Haque Jr. for not performing and made newcomer Shahriar Nafees captain of the U-19s. Result they beat England U-19 in the one-day series. McInness literally loves Bangladesh and he was humiliated by the BCB. Plus he would've cost BCB half of what they are paying Jamie Siddons. Instead they made Shaun Williams temporary coach, that guy couldn't even coach the U-15 team. He is a performance analyst not a coach. He is a more like a coach's advisor. Then comes the new selectors after the home series against India. My question is why wasn't Faruq and Athar's contracts extended? Between them these two created the best squads in Bangladesh and when your employees perform you usually keep them or give them a raise, right? Instead as thebest said they made Rafiq, Akram and Durjoy selectors, they dropped Bashar and Rafique from the ODI team and made Ashraful the captain. What was the need? Even without Bashar performing the team was making 250 and you can't just do that. These two between them have serviced BD cricket for 15 years each. You have to show more respect. Ashraful should've been given more time as vice-captain to learn the tricks from Bashar. The T20 WC was the ideal time to give Ashraful full captaincy. And then they could've slowly taken the seniors out one by one. Then what did these bunch of jokers do? They called up new players for every series, we haven't had any signs of stabilty from them. BCB treated the players like slaves. Now we need a whole new admisntration, I dont care if foreigners from India or Australia come and take-over. These people must go.

kalpurush
June 13, 2008, 10:43 AM
Top post from thebest. The first few lines say it all.

That said, here's my LEFT XI for what it's worth: -

1. Sirajul Alam Khan (Captain & Coach).
2. Farhad Mazhar (V. Captain, Seaming Allrounder).
3. Rashed Khan Menon (WK).
4. MI Selim.
5. Inu.
6. Rono.
7. Shahjahan Shiraj (Switch-hitting Allrounder).
8. Suranjit Sengupta (Switch-hitting Allrounder).
9. ASM Abdur Rab.
10. Marx Miya.
11. Lenin Bhai.
12. Mahmudul Haq;)

Gowza
June 14, 2008, 02:28 AM
ODIs
1 tamim
2 SN/junaid
3 saleh
4 raqibul
5 ashraful/shakib
6 shakib/ashraful
7 riyad
8 pilot/dhiman/rahim
9 mortaza
10 razzak
11 rasel

time to bring in a specialist no.3. i think this would be a more stable batting line-up and i'd expect the players to develop better in an environment which is more stable.

i think this is a solid opening pair, and a good middle order. the reason behind riyad batting ahead of the keeper is so that he has some back up (allbeit not that much). riyad is a good finisher but if he has no one to support him (mash and razzak can hit but they can't really support) he's not going to be able to do as much.

no room for aftab mainly because we can't afford to have too many players in the line-up who give away they're wickets. we want the opposition to work for wickets and at this stage most of BD's big hitters give their wickets away for not many runs.

if BD are going to lose i prefer they make the opposition work for the win rather than get it handed to them.

as for bowling, rasel, mortaza and razzak are the best attack BD can muster up atm. as much as i want another pacer in there we can't afford to leave out riyad or shakib and can't go in with any less than 5 specialist bats.

BANFAN
June 14, 2008, 04:53 AM
I agree Rajin Slaeh is a grafter. Does he have the ability to play at the test level? I don't think he is any better at the moment.

He had quiet a good number of opportunity and was dropped for poor form. Has he done something in the doemstic circuit to say that he is back in form? If he had the ability he would have flooded the national league (4 Day matches) with runs. Just because we don't see him playing for a long time, we can't want him back.

I think, Raqibul is there, Nazim and Junaid are very good to be tried along with the old bunch already there in the team.

Gowza
June 14, 2008, 05:09 AM
I agree Rajin Slaeh is a grafter. Does he have the ability to play at the test level? I don't think he is any better at the moment.

He had quiet a good number of opportunity and was dropped for poor form. Has he done something in the doemstic circuit to say that he is back in form? If he had the ability he would have flooded the national league (4 Day matches) with runs. Just because we don't see him playing for a long time, we can't want him back.

I think, Raqibul is there, Nazim and Junaid are very good to be tried along with the old bunch already there in the team.

don't know if saleh should be in the test team (though he has an ok average for a BD player at about 27), i was just talking about the one-day team in my previous post. if we're talking test team then nazimuddin and ehsanul haque are worth a try imo, naeem islam hasn't done too bad in FC cricket so far either (ave of 36.88 in 40 matches).

Yameen
June 14, 2008, 05:19 AM
I think Saleh is a must for our test team as one good ability he has is he can stay at the crease. He just needs to work on his footwork against spinners and hopefully he can convert those 40-50's to 70-80's and hopefully bigger things in the future.

I dont think Nazimuddin is ready for national team let alone test cricket but maybe Roqibul maybe worth a try BUT only if he can keep up his consistancy in the ODI form.

crikfreak
June 17, 2008, 10:02 AM
thebest bhaiyya said it all.. and anyways.. whats the use?? its not like the bcb reads all this..

AsifTheManRahman
June 17, 2008, 11:31 AM
Aftab an obvious pick for Tests? This would only make sense if he starts doing what he does worst. Otherwise, I want him out of the XI (sure, he can carry drinks) and Mushfiq pushed up the order. SN IMO is a better middle order batsman in tests than the khali kolshi.

abu2abu
June 18, 2008, 06:36 AM
Thebest's comments stem from frustration, which I can understand, but it's not 100% accurate.

We seem to have a selective view of the past, we had a good WC in 2007 but it could have been better. Are we forgetting that we failed to beat Ireland (who we thrashed convincingly at home under siddons) and england. These are both games we could/should have won. Also bear in mind that prior to 2007, we hadn't won a major ODI for a while. Sure, there was that warm-up win against New Zealand, but other than that all we had to fall back on were some wins against Kenya.

The truth is the BD team has consistently been underperforming. Ever since we got tests status in fact, not just in the last 12-18 months. But we have a group of players now with real potential. You can say all you like about Bulbul, Durjoy etc, but none of these guys ever had the talent/promise or application that the likes of Zunaed, Tamim, Mushfiq and rajib are currently displaying. These are very young guys and have the ability to be genuinely world class, all they need is time. Durjoy et al were grafters, Mushfiq and co are the real deal.

I am confident that in time BD will have a cricket team we can all be proud of. And the bulk of that team will comprise the same cricketers who are playing today. It might not happen today or tomorrow but it will happen ...

bdchamp20
June 19, 2008, 11:08 AM
Come to think of it I think we are on track of building a solid ODI XI, these are the fixed positions at the moment:

1.Tamim Iqbal
2.
3. Mohammad Ashraful*
4. Raqibul Hasan
5. Shakib Al Hasan
6.
7.
8. Mashrafe Mortaza
9. Abdur Razzak
10.
11.

As you can see there are quite a few gaps but we are doing the right thing experimenting with players to find the best combination. We need a stable opener for Tamim, my choice would definetely be Junaid I think this A tour will rejeuvenate him and hopefully bring him back in form. With Raqibul and the new Ash we will find ourselves avoiding the 'middle-order collapse' much often than we used to. Now I think this injury will do good to Aftab who has been having an easy-ride for a long time now. After he comes back from injury I want to see him averaging 45+ for Chittagong before earning a recall and when he returns he shouldn't be anywhere near the Top 4. Now Mahmudullah can claim the no. 6 spot but we need some more big scores from him to fully clinch it. Now the wicket-keeper, I'd definetely pack Dhiman ahead of Mushfiq right now in the ODI team. 2 pacers: Lets see if Rasel can recover fully from the injury and Shahadat can get in form.

BANFAN
June 19, 2008, 11:28 AM
Come to think of it I think we are on track of building a solid ODI XI, these are the fixed positions at the moment:

1.Tamim Iqbal
2.
3. Mohammad Ashraful*
4. Raqibul Hasan
5. Shakib Al Hasan
6.
7.
8. Mashrafe Mortaza
9. Abdur Razzak
10.
11.

As you can see there are quite a few gaps but we are doing the right thing experimenting with players to find the best combination. We need a stable opener for Tamim, my choice would definetely be Junaid I think this A tour will rejeuvenate him and hopefully bring him back in form. With Raqibul and the new Ash we will find ourselves avoiding the 'middle-order collapse' much often than we used to. Now I think this injury will do good to Aftab who has been having an easy-ride for a long time now. After he comes back from injury I want to see him averaging 45+ for Chittagong before earning a recall and when he returns he shouldn't be anywhere near the Top 4. Now Mahmudullah can claim the no. 6 spot but we need some more big scores from him to fully clinch it. Now the wicket-keeper, I'd definetely pack Dhiman ahead of Mushfiq right now in the ODI team. 2 pacers: Lets see if Rasel can recover fully from the injury and Shahadat can get in form.


I think Rakibul should come in no 3 not Ash.
Rasel is probably permanently out because of his lack of pace.
Mushi, if he plays could be in opening or higher than his current position.

Eshen
June 23, 2008, 01:07 AM
My teams -

Test XI
Tamim Iqbal
Zunaed Siddique
Mohammad Ashraful
Shahriar Nafees
Rokibul Hasan
Sakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mashrafe Mortaza
Sajidul Islam
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel (for seaming tracks)/Enamul Haque (for spinning tracks)

ODI XI:
Tamim Iqbal
Zunaed Siddique
Mohammad Ashraful
Rokibul Hasan
Sakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Aftab Ahmed
Abdur Razzak
Mashrafe Mortaza
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel

Only1raz
June 27, 2008, 03:35 AM
This would be my team for the ODI

1.Tamim Iqbal
2.Mushfiqur Rahim ( our own Gilchrist or Mccalum)
3.Mohammad Ashraful
4.Raqibul Hasan
5.Shakib Al Hasan
6.Naeem Islam
7.Aftab Ahmed
8.Mahmudullah Riyad
9.Mashrafe Mortaza
10.Abdur Razzak
11.Syed Rasel

This is a very strong batting line up. And for the bowling wise
Mashrafe, Rasel, Razzak, Shakib 10 overs each
Naeem and Riyad 5 overs each

what do yo all think?

Foozy
June 27, 2008, 04:38 AM
This would be my team for the ODI

1.Tamim Iqbal
2.Mushfiqur Rahim ( our own Gilchrist or Mccalum)
3.Mohammad Ashraful
4.Raqibul Hasan
5.Shakib Al Hasan
6.Naeem Islam
7.Aftab Ahmed
8.Mahmudullah Riyad
9.Mashrafe Mortaza
10.Abdur Razzak
11.Syed Rasel

This is a very strong batting line up. And for the bowling wise
Mashrafe, Rasel, Razzak, Shakib 10 overs each
Naeem and Riyad 5 overs each

what do yo all think?

lol since u ask....

I think mushy is not a specialist opener, and he is finally starting to do fairly well where he is rite at this moment. I wouldnt change him and mess him up yet again! So basically until someone else comes in, Junaed gets his rightful place (he was not given enough chances). This makes Mushy no.6.

No more easy rides, and so Naeem needs to score another 2-3 centuries before coming into the main team.

I also think Aftab should be left out to prove himself again, and till then we can use Alok, who is also a similar type of flamboyant batsman who will score 20ish. He can also bowl a few overs. Basically below is what you end up with ...:):

1.Tamim Iqbal
2.Junaed Siddiqui
3.Mohammad Ashraful
4.Raqibul Hasan
5.Shakib Al Hasan
6.Mushfiqur Rahim
7.Alok Kapali / Farhad Reza (If its Farhad, he should bat at 8 and Riyad at 7)
8.Mahmudullah Riyad
9.Mashrafe Mortaza
10.Abdur Razzak
11.Syed Rasel

Hmm... come to think of it... this is a good ODI side. The batting has a lot of depth, and is pretty strong (except for Rasel, everyone bats fairly well). The bowling, if used rightly is also strong enough. Has a lot of variation (Rasel, Mash, Razzak, Riyad, Kapali/Reza, Sakib). Needs some smart captaincy thats all.

If pitch is good for seamers, then use Reza [or even shahadat if needed], and if its good for spinners, use Kapali.

...:D... now what do u think of it? ... or anyone and everyone else also? I think this is stronger than the world-cup side....

shajib14
June 27, 2008, 05:24 AM
I think Rakibul should come in no 3 not Ash.
Rasel is probably permanently out because of his lack of pace.
Mushi, if he plays could be in opening or higher than his current position.

whats the point in pace if it gives away 7 or 8 runs per over, rasel's career economy rate is around 4 runs per over which is world class, and you want to leave him out. Funny is'nt it ? when batsmen struggle to get run they are compelled to take risk and most often loses their wicket in the process. Think about it pls

Gowza
June 27, 2008, 05:51 AM
lol since u ask....

I think mushy is not a specialist opener, and he is finally starting to do fairly well where he is rite at this moment. I wouldnt change him and mess him up yet again! So basically until someone else comes in, Junaed gets his rightful place (he was not given enough chances). This makes Mushy no.6.

No more easy rides, and so Naeem needs to score another 2-3 centuries before coming into the main team.

I also think Aftab should be left out to prove himself again, and till then we can use Alok, who is also a similar type of flamboyant batsman who will score 20ish. He can also bowl a few overs. Basically below is what you end up with ...:):

1.Tamim Iqbal
2.Junaed Siddiqui
3.Mohammad Ashraful
4.Raqibul Hasan
5.Shakib Al Hasan
6.Mushfiqur Rahim
7.Alok Kapali / Farhad Reza (If its Farhad, he should bat at 8 and Riyad at 7)
8.Mahmudullah Riyad
9.Mashrafe Mortaza
10.Abdur Razzak
11.Syed Rasel

Hmm... come to think of it... this is a good ODI side. The batting has a lot of depth, and is pretty strong (except for Rasel, everyone bats fairly well). The bowling, if used rightly is also strong enough. Has a lot of variation (Rasel, Mash, Razzak, Riyad, Kapali/Reza, Sakib). Needs some smart captaincy thats all.

If pitch is good for seamers, then use Reza [or even shahadat if needed], and if its good for spinners, use Kapali.

...:D... now what do u think of it? ... or anyone and everyone else also? I think this is stronger than the world-cup side....

not such a bad team, i think shahadat or maybe even sajidul could be considered for the reza/alok spot (reza and alok are better with the bat but if they're not scoring runs then they're basically only adding as bowlers and therefore it might be better to pick a specialist bowler). as for naeem, i think once shakib comes back the batting order and the allrounder spots will already be pretty solid so unless naeem forces his way into the team through sheer weight of runs and/or good bowling and/or if one of the specialist bats or allrounders start falling away then he's going to have to wait a bit longer before getting his shot, good prospect though.

bdchamp20
June 27, 2008, 03:26 PM
ODI:
Tamim
Mushfiq
Ashraful*
Raqibul
Shakib
Kapali
Dhiman+
Mashrafe
Razzak
Shahadat
Rasel

Junaid
Naeem
Riyad
Baisya/Jubair/Reza

al Furqaan
June 28, 2008, 09:30 AM
Out