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Sham
November 6, 2003, 10:03 PM
Bangladesh won the toss and will bat first.

Bangladesh team:
Hannan Sarkar, Nafis Iqbal, Habibul Bashar, Rajin Saleh, Alok Kapali, *Khaled Mahmud, Mushfiqur Rahman, Manjural Islam Rana, +Khaled Mashud, Jamaluddin Ahmed, Tapash Baisya.

England team:
ME Trescothick, VS Solanki, *MP Vaughan, PD Collingwood, A Flintoff, R Clarke, ID Blackwell, +CMW Read, AF Giles,
RL Johnson, JM Anderson.

Sham
November 6, 2003, 10:22 PM
Slow start but the important thing is that all our wickets are intact.

oracle
November 6, 2003, 10:25 PM
13/0 after 5.5 o. RR of 2.3
So what would the ideal rr be 3.5 to start with? Or is this ok.

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 10:27 PM
Yappie! We haven't lost any wicket yet!!!!!!

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 10:31 PM
there it goes. the inevitable

dorbesh
November 6, 2003, 10:34 PM
nafis gone for 9!!!!

Sham
November 6, 2003, 10:34 PM
This is bad! You either get off to a quick start and lost a wicket or two, or you get off to a slow start and keep wickets intact. We seem to get off to a slow start and lose wickets as well.

BangladeshCricket
November 6, 2003, 10:35 PM
so many dreams i had...will we gona play again bad

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 10:38 PM
Whats new. Basher starts with a four.

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 10:39 PM
Basher was almost gone in the second ball.

dorbesh
November 6, 2003, 10:43 PM
Hannan seems well set in wicket..wish he can do something for BD today!

BangladeshCricket
November 6, 2003, 10:44 PM
just stay in wkt...don have to score 260's just stay there and bat till 50 overs..that all i want

by the way how many pacers are playing for English team?? we have only one :(

[Edited on 7-11-2003 by BangladeshCricket]

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 10:45 PM
dont wish anything.

Snake bitten too many times.

Compulsive lover.

BangladeshCricket
November 6, 2003, 10:48 PM

dorbesh
November 6, 2003, 10:49 PM
my target is 200-210 .

dorbesh
November 6, 2003, 10:51 PM
11.3 Flintoff to Hannan Sarkar, FOUR, Shot! short and wide outside off,
slashes it hard over point for four
11.2 Flintoff to Hannan Sarkar, no run
11.1 Flintoff to Hannan Sarkar, legbye: FOUR, on middle and leg, off the
pads to fien leg for four
,

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 10:52 PM
i am having fun.

dorbesh
November 6, 2003, 10:53 PM
another legbye 4!!:)

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 10:54 PM
12 runs off Flint's first over. Lucky day today.

dorbesh
November 6, 2003, 10:56 PM
does anyone know any web link from where i can watch this match?

BangladeshCricket
November 6, 2003, 10:58 PM
nooooooooooooooooooo bashar is gone :mad::(

[Edited on 7-11-2003 by BangladeshCricket]

he played pull shot again again irresponsible .....i feel like....

[Edited on 7-11-2003 by BangladeshCricket]

dorbesh
November 6, 2003, 11:00 PM
except homeviewbangladesh.com -----------Habibul having some dificulties now

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 11:00 PM
Andeson only 18 balls left.

dorbesh
November 6, 2003, 11:01 PM
****...he is already gone!!!!!

dorbesh
November 6, 2003, 11:03 PM
guyz...i am going to sleep again:(

BangladeshCricket
November 6, 2003, 11:03 PM
irresponsible...shot pull shot at this time ....don make sense to me....ahhhh ...again another defeat i am quiting byee

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 11:04 PM
how did you get into hmbd. Its almost impossible to get in.

Rho
November 6, 2003, 11:27 PM
HA HA, this is too hillarious. How everyone was egging Rajin Saleh and he's showing everyone how he talks more than he does.

5 out inside 18 over. I predict English victory in less than that. Screw BD, and god bless BCB.

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 11:29 PM
Khaled Mahhhhhhhhhhhhhhmud.

Gone fishing.

Rho
November 6, 2003, 11:29 PM
6 out in 18.1 over.

10 balls 4 wickets out 0 runs scored.
BD about to make history. Cholo Bangladesh! WTG tigers. Me proud of ya!

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Rho]

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 11:30 PM
good thing we got those bye fours. This is beyond embarrassing.

rafiq
November 6, 2003, 11:31 PM
wow - 4 wickets down on 65 alone. is this a world record? not much else to look forward to here. edges off of hook, pull, sweep, misread arm ball - all familiar stories.

Rho
November 6, 2003, 11:32 PM
damn it BD scores. single after 12 ballz 0 runs losing 4 wickets. WD Rana. MOM = Rana.

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 11:35 PM
rana just spoiled 5 wickets at 65. Way to go Rana. You have just solidified your position in future teams!

Rho
November 6, 2003, 11:36 PM
damn it rana! took the f***ing single and now bd was on the verge of history. 66/7. if Rana hadn't taken the run, it would've been 14 ballz 5 wickets no runs. now it stands,
14 ballz 5 wickets, 1 run.

screwed it up!!

pagol-chagol
November 6, 2003, 11:37 PM
W . . | . . W . W . | W . . 1 W . |

Have you ever seen something like that. I think its time to give up our one day status and go back to the ICC trophy.

Rho
November 6, 2003, 11:37 PM
oi moni, burburaiya ki porere?
chacha, wicket, aar ki? bangladesh bat kortasena, wicket chara aak ki porbar pare?

rafiq
November 6, 2003, 11:39 PM
reminds you of the world cup doesn't it? can't understand how they fall apart after playing so well in the first test.

bd_cricket
November 6, 2003, 11:41 PM
isn't this wicket suppose to be batsmens' heaven???

Rho
November 6, 2003, 11:43 PM
name 1 batsman in the bangaldesh team?
yeah "batsman"'s heaven, magar batsman koi?
ei bandor gula gili danda khelbar aise.

bd_cricket
November 6, 2003, 11:45 PM
"Ordinary spinner" Giles already took 3 wkts in 3 overs. It's good that he didn't take the wkt of Nafis.

Rho
November 6, 2003, 11:51 PM
since Rajin threw his wicket away
33 balls, 5 wickets lost, 1 run scored.
now ever dependable Pilot scored a couple to break regularities.

Tehsin
November 7, 2003, 12:38 AM
I am so glad I was away. Matha bhorti chul r ektao thaktona. Ijjot gele ki hobey, chool to intact thaklo. *sigh*

Also, Manju polata notun aaise, tai bujhte parenai. R ekta duita khelbar dao, he'll go out without even playing a single ball.

ON another note - once again the team played down to shujon's batting standard giving him the guts to tell us to screw ourselves (excuse my bangla) as he still remains as good as any of our middle order (alok for one) bats.

As I write this, Bd just managed 100 - what a slap for those who tought we won't make it after such a wonderful display only 35 runs ago. Also, as customery, Pilot took us there and then went out - you see, his job was done.

pagol-chagol
November 7, 2003, 12:40 AM
Rho - that was funny -"Batsman koi".

rafiq
November 7, 2003, 12:46 AM
don't know why i am still watching this match. i was thinking the same thing after pilot scored that 4 to get to 100 - his job is done.

what was up with that 7 ball over - pilot was out to the 7th ball, actually 8 were bowled because of the one wide.

Tehsin
November 7, 2003, 12:51 AM
not that it matters but why did sujon come in before Mushfiq and Pilot ? Did he think he is a middle order bat just because he scored a few runs in that training match against a ctg tam short of god bowlers ?

Emad03
November 7, 2003, 12:52 AM
It hurts .It rwally hurts.

Here we have one of the best coaches in the world and yet still the same old bd.What a shame.

It proves that u can have the best things but if u dont want to improve then no one can help u!

billah
November 7, 2003, 12:54 AM
Our second best batsman (I think his name is "Extra") is still holding on his own with 22 at the moment...Why can't the others play as well as him? Even in the practice match he scored 2nd highest, after Rana...

chinaman
November 7, 2003, 12:54 AM
Vooter aasor.

billah
November 7, 2003, 12:56 AM
Jamaluddin just did Rana in.

Tehsin
November 7, 2003, 12:57 AM
What a bloody shame. Yet, I am up. I wish I could stop caring. :(

chinaman
November 7, 2003, 01:06 AM
125/9 is much better than 34/10

Emad03
November 7, 2003, 01:15 AM
men we need a saviour for our country our home our freedom our soverienty and everything that makes us bangladeshis .

i feel sorry.We have players like that can be compared with the best.What waht a shame.our very government is putting us down in games like cricket.men y was i and others a diehard fan of bd cricket?at least we would not feel bad!

[Edited on 02/08/80 by Emad03]

[Edited on 02/08/80 by Emad03]

Emad03
November 7, 2003, 01:22 AM
men i feel sorry for dav.He must be working hard but some dont learn i guess.

chinaman
November 7, 2003, 01:23 AM
Look at the brighter side, we are still very much on board at the end of 44 overs with 143 runs and counting.

Hasib
November 7, 2003, 01:25 AM
Khaled Mahmud is not an alrounder... a bowler effective against sub-continent teams... in test matches... and tests only...

chinaman
November 7, 2003, 01:25 AM
Well not counting anymore.

tnb
November 7, 2003, 01:29 AM
Come on guys. Dont be that upset.

True we are having some real bad days. But its only the last test and this ODI.
Even though I think it will not be that much one sided. The pitch is suppose to turn.

The U-19 and Dev. teams: they don't count. Too much politics goes in there.

143/10. Lets see how much turn it takes.

Its our team, we got it as birth-right and we cannot leave it. So be optimistic please.

Nasif
November 7, 2003, 01:30 AM
I would say our top order (disguised as tail) did pretty good. They are future batsmen. They are also our bowlers. They are true assests.

Three cheers for our top order!

Cricketislife!
November 7, 2003, 01:31 AM
Absoultely ridiculous to equate sporting accomplishment with national self esteem n pride. Please refrain.

Its unbelievable really how some of u have been so emotional n making statements. Bangladesh is just making its way in International cricket, drafted in bit early Imo, and just now trying to find their way, obviously results wont be great. One would think, by your reactions as if it is Australia who is playing so poorly all of a sudden.

Please some of you read this old article by the social n cricket historian Ram Guha
+++++
This attempt to make of cricket a template of national identity and national self-respect begs several questions. First, does it not grossly overvalue cricket as a sphere of human activity? Second, does it not place an unfair (and at times unbearable) burden on the cricketers themselves? Third, does it not encourage a kind of escapism, where the more serious problems of Indian society are willingly brushed under the carpet?

More at
http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19990531/iex31042.html

++++++

I really pity the cricketers on whose shoulders this huge burden exists. What will happen is either they will mentally disintegrate or to keep the crowd happy BCB will go the India way ( earlier on) and start producing absolue crap wickets at home to somehow win, and these cricketers will then be engulfed in a mass hysteria of joy from crowd n their ego will feel inflated.

Both directions are obviously wrong n bad. As whatmore said, this is the time for building the infrastructure, getting the mental aspects right e, putting a proper system in place.. etc then the light will be gloriously visible at the end of the tunnel.

chinaman
November 7, 2003, 01:38 AM
Bravo. You are really making a life out of cricket!

Cricketislife!
November 7, 2003, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by chinaman
Bravo. You are really making a life out of cricket!

LoL! Yeah I know my nick sort of negates what I wrote there! but seriosuly I do believe that. Its not the same, I think this is the greatest game, it could even be your life, talking/writing on it or alternatively spending hours n hours on it, reading discusing etc but to equate it to national selfesteem etc is too much. I think emad or somebody made a comment like for Bangladeshi freedom or somewords like that- over the top n not needed at all. I wrote that cos I am worried if this is how a majority of viewers in Bangladesh think about the game, then its not right. As guha wrote.

Tehsin
November 7, 2003, 01:51 AM
eight wicket (Pilot and Rana) = 34 runs
tenth wicket (Jamal and Tapash) = 36 runs

Half the runs came from the last three partnership. Only goes to show that our middle order did not do what they were supposed to do.

In a sense, we should not be surprised. Alok has been off form, Mushfiq is a bit player, Shujon is NOT an international batsmen, Rajin is too young (and only playing his second tour) and based on this batting line up, Pilot should have come in at 6, not Sujon. That decision was puzzling.

But, happy to see that the two debutantes did not lose nerve. Rana made good use of his limited opportunity and Jamal did more then what we have come to expect from a typical number ten.

If the batting gets a little serious in the next two matches, we may put up much better performance

fwullah
November 7, 2003, 01:53 AM
No CricketLife, I can't agree with you.

When the Chittagong test was bad, Whatmore was telling us to support the team.

But now look at this 1st ODI - there is no improvement.

The lone player standing who I suppose has improved a bit is Hannan Sarkar. Although he could not handle the short pitched balls and so got out - HITTING OUT.

At this time, we need a Saber Hossain Chowhdury who will get the life out of the players.

Remember the Meril International Cup 1999? Bangladesh lost to Kenya twice in a row pretty badly and once against Zimbabwe. In fact, the players played so badly against a similar strength team like Kenya at the time, that it forced Saber Hossain to simply 'abuse' the players in such a way that the same players in the next match not only scored a highest score of 257 against Zimbabwe, but also made the next match to be a competitive one.

And that match also included Mehrab Hossain's and Bangladesh's maiden One Day International Century, Akram Khan's blistering knock of run a ball 50.

Rumours has it that Gordon Greenidge at the time had taken the side of the players and told Saber Hossain not to talk to the players that way.

Now Saber Hossain is gone. Who will take his place now and bash at the players?

Tehsin
November 7, 2003, 01:54 AM
For those who do equate to national self-esteem, one word of advise in this early stages. Try to keep those apart (ie, don't think of it as a national disaster yet) for now.

The day will come in the nxt few years when BD will start winning atleast half their matches. Only then should you start making that connection cause otherwise, you are just letting BD down by associating it with a lost cause. When we start winning, we'd ateast have a fifty-fifty shot at it.

chinaman
November 7, 2003, 02:04 AM
Fwullah, what abuse can do, love and caring can do way better. Saber might be able to dictate the outcome of a single game but Dav will dictate the outcome of a generation.

Cricketislife!
November 7, 2003, 02:06 AM
NO Fwullah, I am not saying you should blindly support the players, infact as I wrote it will lead to their egos being inflated, as it has occured in India to some, just mediocre to good players but hyped to all time greats level.

criticize, condemn, but it should be constructive isnt it? obviously as a follower, we will feel down, terribly down. I rmbr that chennai Test where Sachin came close to take India home against Pakistan and we lost. Apparently Sachin went inside the room and cried n cried. I was terribly down myself! then the miracle hapned as the crowd there rose n gave a standing ovation to the Pakistan players as they ran around. Now that was a awesome sight. It just lifted everything n put things in perspective.

coming back, just one Test or few days gap, a team is not going to from shambles to heroics. My point and I guess Whatmore's is also a period where lots of things are done at grassroots and a proper feeder system is put in place.

Yes, if any player is not showing the will n temperament n not trying hard enough, then he should be dealt with severely.
Steve Waugh for eg had a huge prob earleir on with the bouncers, jumping, and gloving catches. But then he worked hard at it, even now he is ungainly at them but very rarely gets out. Just sways or takes it on the body etc.. That is the commitement one should try to inculcate in the players. Thts the stuff I hope Saurav Ganguly manages to do with his own prob against bouncers.

YOu need tremendous self discipline and fire to go back in the nets and practice on that. Effort level is what is important.

NewZealand in the past at times has shown that u dont need to be a team full of stars to accomplish something. A focussed n dedicated team can do wonders and right now thats what Bangladesh should attempt. Each one playing at his best, infact outperforming his best, rallying around as a team and fighting hard. But even then there is no guarentee that they will win consistently right now given the skill set of some other strong teams. But the effort is what u and I need to look at, is it there? if so we should be happy, if not criticize but again construtively.

All I am saying is lets not get into national self esteem association with cricket. Its a huge swamp, that one, to drag ourselves into.

I

billah
November 7, 2003, 02:54 AM
Mushfiq on a hat trick! Oh man, looks like we're gonna win this one. England is cornered with only 8 wickets and a whole 104 runs remaining. They only have 42 overs!

bd_cricket
November 7, 2003, 03:04 AM
Amitting???

bd_cricket
November 7, 2003, 03:05 AM
Vaughn gone!!!!
3rd ball of Rana

billah
November 7, 2003, 03:05 AM
Vaughan is just beggin for that 3rd eye...I hope we can deliver

billah
November 7, 2003, 03:06 AM
The SLA comes in. Rana.

billah
November 7, 2003, 03:09 AM
You guys, better wake up! Vaughan just got his wish!! First wicket for Rana, only on his 3rd delivery of the match.

billah
November 7, 2003, 03:15 AM
Mushfiq is out of breath, from all that batting I'm sure. I think our allrounder superstar skipper will bowl now...

billah
November 7, 2003, 03:20 AM
Now Flintoff is asking for it. What's his rush anyways? What does he think this is ? An ODI or something?

Tehsin
November 7, 2003, 03:36 AM
If you ask me, sujon is keeping himself off the attack to save his own skin. The way the english are going, he might go for a 24-36 run over and he's afraid we'll find out that he isn't really a bowler, in fact, he is not even a real cricketer.

By the way, not complaining about sujon not bowling, it's good actually.

(another angle - he knows that we are going to lose - so why not give the young bloods a chance to show their tricks)

billah
November 7, 2003, 03:45 AM
Jamaluddin's personal logbook: Hmmm...Must stick to the batting...

billah
November 7, 2003, 03:47 AM
I just want Flintoff's head. That's all from this match.. Get Flintie...

billah
November 7, 2003, 03:53 AM
It was Flintoff's day. 4 wickets, a half-century. Looks like both with bowling and batting, the game finished before he was done.

dorbesh
November 7, 2003, 04:38 AM
i am shame to be a fan of BD cricket!..what a shame!!!!!

if anyone to kick out from the team, our odhi+nayok(!) should be 1st one n i'll apreciate it.

[Edited on 7-11-2003 by dorbesh]

fwullah
November 7, 2003, 05:44 AM
After such a poor batting, at last we got some shantona puroshkar.

But in reality, Mushfique didn't earn those 2 wickets of Solanki and Trescothick.

If there is anything to be proud of, then I will be proud of Monjurul Islam Rana's bowling, he seems to be a better bowler than a batsman, but anyways if someone can stick around for 60 balls in an ODI, then I would be very pleased with the bowler.

According to the TV commentry, he is the first Bangladeshi to get a wicket on his first over.

It was in a way good that Rafique got injured, we got a chance to look at our back-up players.

There is one positive out of this, and I am very happy that Whatmore had noticed it, Rafique's fielding has not been what was expected of him, over the years.

And in today's papers, Whatmore is said to have identified this recent weakness of Rafique. I wonder why all the specialist bowlers of ours who become better bowlers, but turn out to be poorer fielders.

Monjurul Islam Monju - the left arm pacer used to be like that. Just when his bowling seemed to be improving a lot - turning into world class, then his fielding becomes poor.

As I said in another thread, I didn't see Rana's batting, if he can defend and survive any pace attack on any given day, then I will be going for Rana in replacing Rafique pretty soon.

CricketsLife, I agree with you what you said - in the last reply that the effort must be there.



Apparently Sachin went inside the room and cried n cried


Unfortunately, we don't see our batsman showing at least half of the disappointment that Tendulkar shows after getting out cheaply.

I was particularly pleased with Taibu, the Zimbabwe wicket keeper who was feeling really terrible when he got out after getting to 83 against West Indies in their first innings.

Did you see any kind of 'disappointment' at all in Nafees's face when he got out today? It is his debut match alright, but he didn't show any emotion whatsoever, and from what I have gathered from a Prothom Alo report, everybody in Nafis's family watched today's game at the stadium. So many sacrifices have been made by Nafis's family to turn him into a cricketer, and yet he didn't show any emotion whatsoever. This is simply called "Bokhate".

Cricketislife!
November 7, 2003, 07:27 AM
Fwullah, u r getting into murky waters now. Sachin cried that one day, but otherwise when he gets out cheaply, u cant figure out whts he thinking.

YOu cannot judge all that easily. DAvid Gower, a wonderful bat didnt look all that fussed up when he got out, it doesnt mean he doesnt care. ditto many other great players.

only those really close to a player, the coach etc would know the attitude n commitment level of a particular player.

pagol-chagol
November 7, 2003, 07:39 AM
If only we had 11 extras instead of 11 players we would have scored over 300 runs.

Ugh! Some day.

rafiq
November 7, 2003, 09:49 AM
You are going to replace Rafique with Rana after the latter has had one match under his belt? And because Rafique has poor fielding?

I don't know why picking 11 cricketers has become such rocket science that is consuming all of Bangladesh.

fwullah
November 7, 2003, 06:46 PM
Lets forget all about it now, It was simply frustrating to see the batsman going down that way after a bright start by Hannan Sarkar.

With the sense coming in now, I think that Hannan Sarkar had more responsibility on his shoulders to carry on rather than blame those who did not get in.