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Fortuner
June 16, 2008, 04:41 AM
I always wonder are there any good fast bowlers in BD like Mashrafee and Shahadat in terms of pace, hieght, potential. Dollar Mahmud is nothing great. On a flat track, undoubtedly he will get thrashed like Rasel, Nazmul, etc.

We really need someone who is 6'1" in height and can bowl atleast as fast as Mash, Rajib and also can bat well, not just slogging, it would be really good for the team as a whole. We always suffered d lack of genuine pace bowling all rounder. Shane Watson for example of Australia can always be termed as someone really valuable as he can contribute to team strategy or desired place conviniently as he can bowl and bat well.

Are there any in Bangladesh. If not now, ny future prospects we have. I know we have so many spin bowling all rounders but are there any pace bowling all rounder. We actually never had any......are there any for future????

abu2abu
June 16, 2008, 04:56 AM
They say young rubel hossain is fast: http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/asiacup/content/player/300619.html

He's a standby player for the asia cup...

abu2abu
June 16, 2008, 05:00 AM
I'm not so sure how fast subashish roy is, but he's one for the future too:

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/301847.html

BANFAN
June 16, 2008, 06:13 AM
There is none better than Mash and Rajib amongst those who have played at some agegroup or Domestic Leagues.

Tigers_eye
June 16, 2008, 08:43 AM
Malinga. He is tall. 5'7". That should end all the myth of being tall and bowling fast.

Kumble, Vettori, Paul Harris all are above 6'2" and classic spin bowlers.

Sohel
June 16, 2008, 10:14 AM
Way too early to write anyone off IMHO. Especially one so young.

That said, Rubel Hossein, the high arm slinger is by far the quickest Bangladeshi bowler I've seen in Bangladesh and he's 5'7". He can also swing the ball both ways at pace, and has a vicious reverse yorker. Accuracy remains an issue with him. He's also very young and should get quicker and more accurate Inshallah.

Both Shubhashish Roy and Suman Saha are young, aggressive, over 6'2", have good pace, and can generate a lot of bounce even on our dead pitches.

The lazy giant Shafaq Al Jabir is 6'5" and bowls just a tad bit quicker than AfAh. Farhad and Sharif, both short men, are quite a bit quicker than he is are likely to stay that way.

bdchamp20
June 16, 2008, 10:15 AM
Well, I heard Shumon Saha and Shafaq Al Zabir are tall pacers but being tall doesnt make you a good pacer. We should keep an eye on Shubhashish and Rubel, I think they are taller than Dollar and better and faster than him as well.

akabir77
June 16, 2008, 10:17 AM
India had to look for one for 100 years and the best they got is not express fast with all their TATA training center and stuff. We already produced 2 good test fast bowler in shahadat who took 9 in a flat wicket against SA and MaMa. Hopefully we will get more as time passes. We had at least 2 fast bowlers who had more pace then shanto during those ICC days but one went drugie and the other one went to study so shanto stick to his thing and went to play for BD. Thats why i think in time we will have more pacers. The one went drugie could clock 80 easily (well thats what out big brothers told us as we didn't had any speed gun but he was 2x faster then shanto...and our keeper had to stand in the OLD DOHS boundery.lol)

djnaved
June 16, 2008, 10:25 AM
I always wonder are there any good fast bowlers in BD like Mashrafee and Shahadat in terms of pace, hieght, potential. Dollar Mahmud is nothing great. On a flat track, undoubtedly he will get thrashed like Rasel, Nazmul, etc.

We really need someone who is 6'1" in height and can bowl atleast as fast as Mash, Rajib and also can bat well, not just slogging, it would be really good for the team as a whole. We always suffered d lack of genuine pace bowling all rounder. Shane Watson for example of Australia can always be termed as someone really valuable as he can contribute to team strategy or desired place conviniently as he can bowl and bat well.

Are there any in Bangladesh. If not now, ny future prospects we have. I know we have so many spin bowling all rounders but are there any pace bowling all rounder. We actually never had any......are there any for future????

actually it was a wrong idea to give him a chance in triangular series and asia cup. But, i beleive that he will be a really effective bowler. Just watch his bowling highlights in the 1st odi, he really can put the ball in the box, where shahdat can't do it except odi. Mohammad Yousuf, was struggling while he was facing dollar. I was surprised that he went down the wicket to hit the ball. Shahdat is a crapy odi bowler, but he is good in test. Rasel is still our main strike bowler. And you are talking Mashrafee? Now, his pace is like 125-130, that's not a good pace at all. And it's also matter of height and strong bodies. Many bd people are not 5'11 inches tall or have a great body like shaib akhter or brett lee. Now this days pace is not a factor anymore, intelligent bowling is the factor. if you put more pace, you will get more hit from the batsman

Gowza
June 16, 2008, 06:20 PM
i don't know a whole lot about the history of indian cricket, i know they haven't produced many quick pacers but they produced at least one in Md Nissar, he was known for his pace.

tiger_club
June 16, 2008, 08:36 PM
actually it was a wrong idea to give him a chance in triangular series and asia cup. But, i beleive that he will be a really effective bowler. Just watch his bowling highlights in the 1st odi, he really can put the ball in the box, where shahdat can't do it except odi. Mohammad Yousuf, was struggling while he was facing dollar. I was surprised that he went down the wicket to hit the ball. Shahdat is a crapy odi bowler, but he is good in test. Rasel is still our main strike bowler. And you are talking Mashrafee? Now, his pace is like 125-130, that's not a good pace at all. And it's also matter of height and strong bodies. Many bd people are not 5'11 inches tall or have a great body like shaib akhter or brett lee. Now this days pace is not a factor anymore, intelligent bowling is the factor. if you put more pace, you will get more hit from the batsman

Spot on!The best example I can give u is Glenn McGrath. I think we need to put bit more common sense to it. You just have said what I was going to say. Thanks for saving my time :)

abu2abu
June 17, 2008, 10:19 AM
Talha Jubair used to quite fast, but he's never been the same since his stress fracture and I suspect his time has now gone. I hope I'm wrong...

Fazal
June 17, 2008, 04:20 PM
No.

Gowza
June 17, 2008, 05:02 PM
a number of bowlers have has stress fractures young, brett lee is one example and was still able to bowl fast. i guess it depends on how good the medical team was in rehabilitating the injury topped with player confidence. if i got stress fractures i'm sure i'd be a bit cautious of going all out not wanting it to happen again.

Eshen
June 17, 2008, 05:36 PM
Some of the tall and fast bowlers that we have -

Shuvashis Roy
http://tigercricket.com/pgallery/Shovashis-Roy-after-H-Sarka.jpg

Sumon Shaha
http://tigercricket.com/pgallery/Sumon-Shaha_61107.jpg

Ziaur Rahman
http://tigercricket.com/pgallery/Rajshahi1_311207.jpg

Unfortunately, none of them was a consistent performer in the last this domestic season.

abu2abu
June 18, 2008, 05:53 AM
i remember Zia, didn't he play in the World T20?

If a I remember correctly, he impressed the coaches and so much that he was sent for specialist coaching, such as dennis lilley's pace academy in Chennai (I think)....

Eshen
June 18, 2008, 01:42 PM
BCB sends two pacers to MRF academy every year. Last year it was Zia and Sajid, this year it was Shahzada and Rubel.

bdchamp20
June 18, 2008, 02:11 PM
Cool. Sumon is one tall guy is he fast though? And who's that Subashis has got out must be a national player as he is wearing the national helmet.

Eshen
June 18, 2008, 03:06 PM
who's that Subashis has got out must be a national player as he is wearing the national helmet.
It was Hannan Sarkar.

djnaved
June 20, 2008, 01:55 AM
BCB sends two pacers to MRF academy every year. Last year it was Zia and Sajid, this year it was Shahzada and Rubel.

hmm, sajid dekhi kichui shikhe nai, batsman righty hoile boll kore leg stumpe, batsman lefty hoile bowl kore off stampe.....ajob:-/

Baundule
June 20, 2008, 03:16 AM
No one is talking about Panna Ghosh. :(

Anyway, fast bowling is kind of addiction. To bowl genuinely fast, one has to be aggresive and to love speed. Speedwise, both Mashrafe and Shahadat are below par bowlers. To bowl fast, one needs a very well-built body, which is very difficult to maintain in our infrastructure. Players themselves are usually not careful about it, or even if they do care, there is not enough facility.

Height does matter in pace bowling, bacause a tall bowler can usually control his bounce easily. But that's not the end of the thing. Hitting the seam will lift the ball anyway, so control is more important.

I do not want to talk about potential. This tag has so far done nothing good to a player.

And the batting ability of a bowler: this should not have more than 10% priority for a good pace bowler. Bangladesh cricket should get rid of the multi-skill theroy. With a bunce of mediocre all-rounders, you can go for 'shommanjonok porajoy'; but to win matches, you need specialists.