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Mahmood
June 25, 2008, 07:08 AM
Ever since Russell was dropped and Rafiq had retired, our bowling sucks. We saw Russell back for a brief time, but that did not help.

I know Shahadat does not belong in the ODI team. But other than that one bowler, what happened to the rest of the bowling? Was Sakib the key? Or Rafiq is indispensable!!

I am seeing match by match decline in the bowling performance. We used to be pretty decent, what happened?

Eshen
June 25, 2008, 07:10 AM
I think the problem is that we got a coach who can't get his head out of the specialist batting coach hat.

Fahim
June 25, 2008, 07:56 AM
its because we are missing rasel simple as that

sonarbangla
June 25, 2008, 08:02 AM
its a combine effect. usually our stick bowlers are : mashrafee and razzak

defensive bowlers : rafiq, sakib, russel

usually defensive bowlers slow down the run rate, which help strike bowlers to pick up quick wickets. our today's bowling attack is totally out of balance.

crikfreak
June 25, 2008, 08:05 AM
siddons happened to our bowling..

pappiok
June 25, 2008, 08:30 AM
dolar and shahadat is too crap. i don't know why they plying ODI cricket. we need rassel back. it will be good if rassel comes back and saqibul after he finish his exam.

AsifTheManRahman
June 25, 2008, 08:42 AM
We have two very good bowlers in Masrio and Razzako; but they can only be so good on their own. In fact, even the best bowler in the world will find it hard to be better than "only so good" if there isn't any support from the other end.

Dolar was never ready for international cricket, Shahadat is at best a first change bowler and the management is full of idiots (re: Rasel's exclusion). Fix these and we will contain opponents more often.

AsifTheManRahman
June 25, 2008, 08:49 AM
Oh and bring Shakib in too.

sadi
June 25, 2008, 08:50 AM
Dollar has no business playing international cricket just yet. Mahmudullah and Kapali are occational bowlers at best. We are really missing Sakib here. Rafiq retiring doesn't help either. I want to see Forhad Reza coming back in next game in place of Dollar and Shahadat has to do a better job. He has too much talent to be this crap.

Sohel
June 25, 2008, 08:52 AM
Six words: Mohammad - Rafique - Syed - Rasel - Ma - Mi.

BTW, to Sid's glorious credit, we almost denied the Lankans from batting 50 overs on a batting pitch ... :notworthy:

nobelnyc
June 25, 2008, 08:56 AM
Guys we need Enamul Hoque Jr too..Shadat & Dollar doesn't deserve to play in ODI.

Rubu
June 25, 2008, 09:03 AM
Rafique retired,
Shakib exam,
rasel left out,
ryad in as a bolwer,
alok as whatever, who bowls 10 overs. what else do you need to screw up a bowling line.

at worst, we could get rajin instead of alok and rasel instead of ryad, and things would look much better.

Rizvi
June 25, 2008, 09:11 AM
Wait..Can someone fill me in about this Sakib exam stuff? What's the story behind this? What exam? Why? When?

Kabir
June 25, 2008, 09:13 AM
I think the problem is that we got a coach who can't get his head out of the specialist batting coach hat.

Bingo.

I say, there's actually no problem with our bowling. I have a feeling there's a team rule that let the opposition spank you...so that they at least let you score 250.

That way, there's a target...and if there's a will, there's a way.

Kabir
June 25, 2008, 09:17 AM
Wait..Can someone fill me in about this Sakib exam stuff? What's the story behind this? What exam? Why? When?

Okay. Here's the news.

Sakib requested vacation from the team during his exams. He figured that in the way that Bangladesh is playing at the moment, it may be difficult for him to earn his dood bhaat and ruti in future. Therefore, he decided to write the exam.

What exam?
SSC exam.

Why?
Coz he wanted to be cooler than Ashfool. Mr. Fool wrote his HSC now...so Sakib thought he should at least write SSC before he beats Mr. Fool to his captaincy. Underqualified captains don't get dood bhaat and ruti.

When?
I don't know his exam schedule.

WarWolf
June 25, 2008, 09:22 AM
Siddons is destroying the bowling in a planned way like a dumb and moron.

Rizvi
June 25, 2008, 09:32 AM
Great Job....the guys are starting to play a test match chasing 350+

Kabir
June 25, 2008, 09:33 AM
Great Job....the guys are starting to play a test match chasing 350+

But the team rule says: "Always set your target at 240"!!!

SS
June 25, 2008, 09:46 AM
Because our bowlers are just bowling in the nets without using their heads
They need to go over coaching and also need bowling coach immediately. Not just temporary coaches!!! Shahadat and Farhad won't help us...Riad also just a quota fulfill bowler. We always had problem producing better quality offie and leggie. I don't know why when we have so many spinners and SLAs. Something is wrong when we started getting these young players in the pipeline. I believe the grass root level coaches are not trained enough to develop the necessay skills for the boys who are bound to go to U15/U19 team.

Rabz
June 25, 2008, 10:01 AM
As said by somebody earlier,
Siddons happened to our bowling attack.

looks like the "whole" bangladesh team is getting a bit too much for him.

may be he should just be a specialised coach, concentrating on batting only.

BD-BLAST
June 25, 2008, 11:08 AM
Our bowling hasn't changed....it still mediocre. There are days when the bowlers bowl really well together on the same day.

On top of that there are 2 bowlers who currently are not fir for ODIs, Shahadat and Dollar.

We have to make use with the resources we have and hope they all click together

Beamer
June 25, 2008, 12:00 PM
Sure, the non-availability of the names mentioned here has a lot do with it. But, I have a bit different take in this matter. Our one day bowling as a unit always thrived when we got early breakthroughs, then Rafiq applied the break, and Raj and Sakib picked up wkts. Early breakthroughs are mostly gone now. Teams are all racing away to a fast start consistently. If you look at the teams that we have played recently, one thing stands alone in my mind, and that is our inability to bowl at openers who are lefty. As a pace unit, all of our bowlers are average facing a left handed batsman as opposed to right handed openers or top order players. Its has been the likes of Graeme Smith, Salman Butt, Gautam Gambhir and Jayasuriya - Sanga who catapulted their respective teams to flying starts that ended up as being the platform to a huge team total. This is not a recent thing, but, has been more of a problem in recent times. Mash & Rajib are not good bowlers to lefties. Neither is Raj, but he can't do much when the opposition is already on a firm foot. Our best bowler against lefties? Specially openers and top orders? Always been Rasel. But, he can't play because he can't bat. Either we get him back soon, or the likes of Mash start bowling wkt taking balls to southpaws. I take the easy way. I bring Rasel back. His economy rate is beyond question, but, what nobody talks about is how he always managed to give us breakthroughs, and a lot against the lefties that has been feasting on us lately.

al Furqaan
June 25, 2008, 12:14 PM
combination of what beamer said and others before...

rafiq was never a big ODI wicket taker, but he, rasel, and sakib gave 30 solid overs.

130 runs conceded in 30 overs on good days = 250ish totals by teams.

thats a lot better than the current concede 330+ every single innings.

Beamer
June 25, 2008, 12:20 PM
Teams like Bangladesh, UAE, HK shouldn't be invited in tournaments like these ... They r such a waste for time ... It will be more beneficial for minnows like Bangladesh etc to play bilateral series against major cricketing nations ...

And..BC ain't a site for people who are minnows where it counts..now..get the f out of here..

al Furqaan
June 25, 2008, 12:24 PM
Teams like Bangladesh, UAE, HK shouldn't be invited in tournaments like these ... They r such a waste for time ... It will be more beneficial for minnows like Bangladesh etc to play bilateral series against major cricketing nations ...

didn't know the mumbai red light district slums had internet access...:smug:

thebest
June 25, 2008, 12:38 PM
Ehsan hit the nail. Because JS wanted to be the batting coach not the Chief Coach. Yes absence of Rafiq, Rasel and Sakib hurts but of these two were entirely management's making. We fans are suffering. Also once opponent score 350 they could play easy with our batting (otherwise how could you defend today's decesion of inviting SL to bat) and inflate JS ego that we scored 240

Rifat
June 25, 2008, 12:59 PM
our bowling got hammered by One of the greatest legends of the game...

Sanath Jayasuriya!

Simple a that!

roaring tigerz
June 25, 2008, 01:02 PM
The bowling today can be quite succintly described in one word...crap. The discipline in our bowling is one area we made a marked improvement in the last couple of years. Today's performance took me back to the Shanto, Anis days. The pitch definitely had a role in the batsmens dominance. But the number of half trackers and loopy half volleys served up was embarrassing.

After the nightmarish spell today, Dolar has to be give way to another bowler. Farhad is pretty much our only option right now. But the mangement should also seriously look at giving Mosharraf another opportunity. Unlike a lot of other BC members, I believe Shahadat is indispensable for our ODI team. But he desperately needs to get his act together to hold on his place.

SS
June 25, 2008, 01:20 PM
Accroding to cricinfo.."Ashraful could be blamed for his decision at the toss, but the his bowlers made it worse by offering plenty of hit-me balls. Apart from Mashrafe Mortaza, who maintained a good line and length, and Razzak, the rest forgot the basic rule of bowling to their field. Time and again, Ashraful rushed to his bowlers, but as Sri Lanka's final total indicates, that didn't do much good."

Are they doing there homeworks, coach needs to realize only working with batters won't solve the problem. We have few more days left for the next game. Lots of homework needs to be done with other bowlers. Can they bring back Rasel. And also work with aloukik riad. Not sure if they will sit out Dollar looking at his performance, even Farhad is brought instead of his place. We will lose a clean down order hitter but bowling needs a big improvement even we have to sacrifice the new guy for his all rounder ability. Next match will be same story if our bowlers do not improve and check runs.

BANFAN
June 25, 2008, 02:08 PM
Lack of professional guidance ! layman level of guidance is not enough for the bowlers at this level.

Tigers_eye
June 25, 2008, 02:18 PM
If SL wants to help Bangladesh Cricket in any form or fashion I tell you they need to sack Vass right now and let him come to Bangladesh. That alone will solve all our problems. Suddenly Dolar, shahadat will not bowl on the leg. Rasel would be Vass 2.0.

I am ready to give up anyone for that. Ash, Mushi, Rakibul even Shakib.

KnightBD
June 25, 2008, 02:21 PM
Siddons is destroying the bowling in a planned way like a dumb and moron.
"dumb and morons" don't use a "planned way". Siddon is just a batting coach. We need a bowling coach as his assistant to solve this problem.

BD-Shardul
June 25, 2008, 02:26 PM
Ekta hoy to arekta hoy na. Probably because nothing is free in this world. During Whatmore era, batting was weak, bowling was good. Now batting is improving at the expense of bowling.

And our Guru Siddons is clear failure when it comes it comes to bowling.

I wonder: Why Shahadat himself can't figure out something? I have no big understanding of cricket, but still I understand the following:

Can he not come up with some quick yorkers? Sudden bouncers, not short balls? Can't maintain line and length? Can't swing little bit?

And no matter what we say. the retirement of Mohammad Rafiq has hurt and will hurt us a lot.

Pundit
June 25, 2008, 02:27 PM
Mash's wicket taking forays are almost exclusively limited to lower order batsmen nowadays.

Fazal
June 25, 2008, 02:31 PM
What happened to our Bowling?

When you plug-in sh*tty players ... sh*ts happen you know....

3rd Umpire
June 25, 2008, 02:34 PM
Siddons is destroying the bowling in a planned way like a dumb and moron.

You should consider talking with a bit of common sense..what do u mean by siddons trying to destroy our bowling...accept it, we dont have any world class bowler...no spinner who' can turn it dangerously and no paceman who has extreme pace...those who are kinda fast have no line and length and those with line and length have no pace....so you should see siddons' resources before accusing him after every defeat...cricket isnt a walk in the park mate...

djnaved
June 25, 2008, 02:41 PM
hmm,this is why our bowling is weak.....

mash's no bowling variation
shadhat's short pitch bowling
dollar's unmindful bowling
alok's short pitch ball
razzak's too much arm ball
riyad's not focusing on line and length


:-|

imtiaz82
June 25, 2008, 02:41 PM
Everyone representing the national team should be of some quality. It is just not acceptable that just because 1-2 bowlers are out due to injury our whole attack would suck. Look at Pakistan in the last series, they had both M Asif and S Akhtar out of the team, yet they were professional enough to beat India.

Same goes for any other test playing team, Australia's standard did not drop drastically just because Shane Warne and Mcgrath retired. Today even soccer, Turkey is playing an amazing game with half the main team missing due to injury/card...

Also, we should play to our strength. If we don't have really great fast bowler or spinner, they should concentrate on line and length. New Zealand and the Zimbabwe team in mid 90s are good example of this. Today all I saw was wayward bowling and short pitch deliveries..

3rd Umpire
June 25, 2008, 02:43 PM
"dumb and morons" don't use a "planned way". Siddon is just a batting coach. We need a bowling coach as his assistant to solve this problem.

My friend ...you probably dont know that we already have a Sri'Lankan fast and spin bowling coach who were hired by the BCB quite recently...now they are missing...and everything in cricket cannot be done by a coach...its just a notion that a good coach makes a good team...for example rajasthan royals won the IPL with no coach and those teams with world class coaches failed...so when our bowlers play in a charitable mood often providing hit me balls to the worlds best ...we just have to blame the bowlers.....

Tigers_eye
June 25, 2008, 02:46 PM
You should consider talking with a bit of common sense..what do u mean by siddons trying to destroy our bowling...accept it, we dont have any world class bowler...no spinner who' can turn it dangerously and no paceman who has extreme pace...those who are kinda fast have no line and length and those with line and length have no pace....so you should see siddons' resources before accusing him after every defeat...cricket isnt a walk in the park mate...
dear 3rd umpire,
How fast was Vass today? How fast was he in the past 3 years? How fast will he be in next three years? To be a World class bowler you don't need to have extreme pace nor you have to have dangerous turns. Most important skill required is having a "Ghilu" (brain). Only Rasel has it among our pace attack. Siddons is the one who left Rasel out when he was included in the team.

3rd Umpire
June 25, 2008, 02:50 PM
hmm,this is why our bowling is weak.....

mash's no bowling variation
shadhat's short pitch bowling
dollar's unmindful bowling
alok's short pitch ball
razzak's too much arm ball
riyad's not focusing on line and length


:-|

Great verdict...you seem to find a mistake in everyone...since you seem to be very smart why dont you name 6 replacements which would make us win with top teams by replacing the above...shahadat,dolar and alok i can understand...man u even crtcissed mash and razzak which is very shocking

nycpro96
June 25, 2008, 02:52 PM
i dont honestly beliieve that dolar mahmud is a bad bowler
today he was just put in to early and also he was put into the playing XI too quickly
selectors are the reason that our bowling collapsed

3rd Umpire
June 25, 2008, 02:58 PM
dear 3rd umpire,
How fast was Vass today? How fast was he in the past 3 years? How fast will he be in next three years? To be a World class bowler you don't need to have extreme pace nor you have to have dangerous turns. Most important skill required is having a "Ghilu" (brain). Only Rasel has it among our pace attack. Siddons is the one who left Rasel out when he was included in the team.

I agree to you about Rasel's exclusion but what u said about Vaas i totally disagree...he may not have the pace but if u had seen today's match his ability to swing both ways was commendable...to that u can add his excellent line and length and the ability to bowl according to the field set up which was very unlike our bowlers on field...man look forward...reality is rasel isnt with us this asia cup...so there's no use talking about it...in the world cup we experienced a drubbing by the lankans and guess what rasel and shakib were there and shahadat and dolar were missing but sanath was just unstoppable...so think about how to improve the present...be optimistic mate

crikfreak
June 25, 2008, 03:06 PM
You should consider talking with a bit of common sense..what do u mean by siddons trying to destroy our bowling...accept it, we dont have any world class bowler...no spinner who' can turn it dangerously and no paceman who has extreme pace...those who are kinda fast have no line and length and those with line and length have no pace....so you should see siddons' resources before accusing him after every defeat...cricket isnt a walk in the park mate...

i agree we might not have pacers who bowl super fast or spinners who can turn it dangerously.. but you should atleast try to utilise whatever you have.. you cant leave out a bowler like rasel and say that siddons did not have resources.. look at our past matches.. back when mash and rasel used to play together.. with razzak, sakib and rafiq following in.. ok so rafiq's retired now.. but the rest were all available till the pak series weren't they?? if we could restrict these people below 250 or in some cases270.. why can't we do it now??

siddons is a batting coach.. he's got no clue about bowling.. go back to the days before siddons arrived.. our bowling wasn't this bad..

3rd Umpire
June 25, 2008, 03:19 PM
i agree we might not have pacers who bowl super fast or spinners who can turn it dangerously.. but you should atleast try to utilise whatever you have.. you cant leave out a bowler like rasel and say that siddons did not have resources.. look at our past matches.. back when mash and rasel used to play together.. with razzak, sakib and rafiq following in.. ok so rafiq's retired now.. but the rest were all available till the pak series weren't they?? if we could restrict these people below 250 or in some cases270.. why can't we do it now??

siddons is a batting coach.. he's got no clue about bowling.. go back to the days before siddons arrived.. our bowling wasn't this bad..

rafiq retired & shakib's got exams....siddons not interested in Rasel whereas mash and razzak were still there and bowled reasonably well....i respect what u have to say...but our selectors and board also have a responsibility in improving our cricket....it is the selectors' job to get players to represent BD and it is the board's job to hire a world class bowling coach...i agree siddons is only a batting coach..but if u see BD batting is improving keeping in mind shakib and aftab are missing and our opening slot with tamim is unsettled....our batting this asia cup has been motivating until now..even today they scored 220 odd even after ashraful was wrongly out so siddons is improving the batting...for what you said restricting to 250-270 i hope u take into account our bowlers were bowling on a flat deck in the hot humid weather which honestly isnt easy when Sangakkara and Jayasuriya were in supreme touch...

samjad
June 25, 2008, 03:39 PM
We are badly missing Rafique. More than Rasel and Sakib.

simon
June 25, 2008, 04:32 PM
Its because Rasel & Sakib are missing.
Not only that but our players & the coach have been concentrating more on the batting than anything else.
Thats why we are getting more often 220+ & giving our oponent 300+ .
But its pathetique anyway.

akabir77
June 25, 2008, 04:55 PM
so you people think teams never scored 300+ against us when we had this line up?

Mash
Rassell
Rafiq
Sakib
Razzak?

Think harder before you answer.

Eshen
June 25, 2008, 05:13 PM
Back in the time, our opponents scored 300+ against us on occasions, but nowadays it seems unavoidable that opponents will score 300+ if they bat first. Even absences of Rasel, Sakib, and Rafique should not make such a difference. We had crappy bowling attacks before Rasel, Raj, and Sakib came along, but never before our bowling side looked so hopeless.

al Furqaan
June 25, 2008, 05:22 PM
so you people think teams never scored 300+ against us when we had this line up?

Mash
Rassell
Rafiq
Sakib
Razzak?

Think harder before you answer.

give a score card analysis of how many times that attack was taken apart for 300+ runs.

i'll do it.

in matches where rasel has played:

teams have ended their innings with a RR above 6.00 on 5 occaisions, with only 3 being 300+ innings (all Sri Lanka). out of 23 innings.

5/23 = 22 %

so 22% of the time when rasel plays, teams score at over 6 runs per over.

nowadays the record is 90%

Gowza
June 25, 2008, 05:30 PM
that's partially because fields are smaller now, they bring the ropes in more than they use to, 300+ scores are happening more frequently to every team not just BD (though that's not the only reason why teams are scoring better against BD nowadays). as for what's wrong with the bowling line-up well obviously what siddons and the bowling coaches are doing isn't working, plus leaving out rasel. as someone said shahadat is a 1st change ODI bowler, rasel and mash should be opening, shahadat should be first change then we have razzak and shakib and riyad fills in wherever needed. atm we're missing 2 key bowlers and depth is one of the many issues BD is yet to resolve so it's not surprising the bowling is being carted quite regularly these days.

al Furqaan
June 25, 2008, 06:20 PM
at the moment i'm not sure if rajib is good even for 1st change bowling.

personally, we have to go with a 2-2 attack (pace-spin) mash-rasel-razzak-saqib. it doesn't matter if all other teams play 3 pacers. we have to stop acting like something we're not, thats the first step.

Sohel
June 25, 2008, 06:28 PM
ODI bowling is NOT Test bowling.

Rajib is NOT a Test bowler yet.

The New MaMu bats better than he bowls, unless his mood swings him the right way, generally when facing India only.

Abdurrajjakraj can be good, or he could be not good "rifling in his deliwereez". He actually turned the ball today.

Dollar ain't ready, PERIOD.

Farhad has been ruined.

Ollie can be useful once he learns a few tricks from Warne (... :floor: ) and becomes more economical.

Riyad tries his best, and does OK for a batsman who can bowl a bit.

Bottom-line: WE SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK !

Foozy
June 25, 2008, 07:41 PM
lol... u guys want a few answers instead of playing the blame-game?
bring back rassel to replace dollar....
bring back sakib to replace kapali...

and lastly... this may be a big bold statement... but if you really want a replacement for rafiq... take shahadat out and get shuvo :)... thats my take on this situation...

all will be back to normal... :)

Beamer
June 25, 2008, 10:35 PM
Rajib is a way better bowler with the red ball. He has no control of the white ball. Mash is probably the opposite.

checkmate
June 26, 2008, 12:27 AM
our bowling unit was never world class,except for rafiq,and razzak is a good ODI mash is a decent bowling,but the others were fillers.thats why we never got to be a good test team,the bowling never had the ability to take wickets,in ODI they got them more coz the other team tried to accelerate...see yesterdays match,the last 6 fell in the 40th over.this will happen regularly,most teams who have played IPL,will have this approach,go hard on the bowlers at the start of the game.we will get to see more 300+ soon.
if the attacking bowlers dont get on their money right away this is gonna happen.

our bowling has not been upto the mark since rafiq left,and the exclusions hurts.

i dont think our decision to bowl was very bad,it got worse thanks to our bowlers.

i am optimistic with this team,our team has improved,and will its just that others are also improving.we just need to get there faster.

checkmate
June 26, 2008, 12:34 AM
We say the selectors are morron they keep shuffling players..well c for us,we are suggest the same thing,bring him in,throw him out..its better we work on the people who are there.rafiq has retired now,work on the ones who has potential,shahadat is good,he just has to work on his short balls,instead of sacking him, why not correct him,i liked dollar his bowling is not that bad,but its too early for him, he needs more experience.he can be told to just concentrate on line and length and dont try too much for now.and we can definitely reduce extras and not bowl on the legs.(that doesn't require a world class coach to teach).

bujhee kom
June 26, 2008, 01:27 AM
....we already have a Sri'Lankan fast and spin bowling coach who were hired by the BCB quite recently...now they are missing...

what do you mean? where did they dissappear from? before leaving SL? or after ariving in dhaka? you mean "nikhoj"? for real?

Foozy
June 26, 2008, 04:42 AM
what do you mean? where did they dissappear from? before leaving SL? or after ariving in dhaka? you mean "nikhoj"? for real?

bhai apni to dekha jai asholai kom bujhen.... :floor:

Mahmood
June 26, 2008, 07:34 AM
I think its time for Miraz to use his cricinfo connection to publish a report on how the selection and coach hurting the bowling. If its on cricinfo, BD news media should pick it up, and the pressure should build.

germany
June 26, 2008, 07:44 AM
nothing happened to our bowlers
it was the policy to derail our WC momentum
by dropping few winning players like Rasel, Rafiq
and making the idiot kid as the captain

sack the selectors, soddions
and bring a home grown coach like Bulbul, Wasim Akram, Kapil Dev

nsd3
June 26, 2008, 08:14 AM
nothing happened to our bowlers
it was the policy to derail our WC momentum
by dropping few winning players like Rasel, Rafiq
and making the idiot kid as the captain

sack the selectors, soddions
and bring a home grown coach like Bulbul, Wasim Akram, Kapil Dev
Thamle ...........bhalo lage.

BANFAN
June 26, 2008, 08:33 AM
Moments before the ship sinks. Evacuation/rescue must start. Things are way too unsettled and beyond the grip of JS. EVen losing whatever little we had.

Baundule
June 26, 2008, 08:59 AM
Mashrafe = OK
Shahadat = He has to understand that he is not an express bowler. So, just bowl consistently on the off-stump at good length. Don't experiement anything else.
Dollar = Concentrate at each delivery
Razzak = OK
Riyadh: At best an occasional bowler like Sehwag. If he is doing fine, let him continue. If gets hammered, 2 overs at most.
Farhad Reza: I do not know where he fits in the team, not a batsman, not a bowler, better spare him for our Moholla cricket.

BANFAN
June 26, 2008, 09:31 AM
Mashrafe = OK
Shahadat = He has to understand that he is not an express bowler. So, just bowl consistently on the off-stump at good length. Don't experiement anything else.
Dollar = Concentrate at each delivery
Razzak = OK
Riyadh: At best an occasional bowler like Sehwag. If he is doing fine, let him continue. If gets hammered, 2 overs at most.
Farhad Reza: I do not know where he fits in the team, not a batsman, not a bowler, better spare him for our Moholla cricket.

How Mash is OK? He is supposed to take 1/2 wickets in first spell. I havn't seen him doing it recently.

KnightBD
June 26, 2008, 09:43 AM
Back in the time, our opponents scored 300+ against us on occasions, but nowadays it seems unavoidable that opponents will score 300+ if they bat first. Even absences of Rasel, Sakib, and Rafique should not make such a difference. We had crappy bowling attacks before Rasel, Raj, and Sakib came along, but never before our bowling side looked so hopeless.
Have you noticed all the matches in Asia cup has very high score of the winning team? May be the pitch is very flat and there is almost nothing in the pitch for bowler. Or may be IPL effect :smug:

Razi
June 26, 2008, 10:07 AM
I don't know what the hack is going on with our bowling, even UAE bowled magnificently against the Srilankans and restricted them to 290. They got Sangakkara for a duck after playing the whole first over and they were 189/6 at one stage. But our bowling is going to drain day by day. Shahadat and Dolar are by no means ODI standard bowlers. Shahadat will bowl very good ball in an over around the off stump line but will bowl other 5 balls either on the batsman's legs or too wide from the off stump and also two of the balls will be bouncer without any doubt. About Dolar i have nothing to say as he is far below international standarnd. So by thinking of the future we can't loose our present badly. Ashraful's decision to bowl first was not that bad in my opinon if there were enough support from the bowlers then we had a good chance to restrict them under 275 and that was quite chase able. Therefore we really need Rasel and Shakib (i hope his exams finished by now) to join the squad immediately or else our batsman's effort will go vain all the time.

thebest
June 26, 2008, 10:08 AM
Have you noticed all the matches in Asia cup has very high score of the winning team? May be the pitch is very flat and there is almost nothing in the pitch for bowler. Or may be IPL effect :smug:
And have you noticed all the big teams played againest super minnows:-p
and today Indians drop catches here and there. In one over Malik got three lives

crikfreak
June 26, 2008, 10:11 AM
so you people think teams never scored 300+ against us when we had this line up?

Mash
Rassell
Rafiq
Sakib
Razzak?

Think harder before you answer.

no one said never.. but the number of times that our opponents scored 300+ when we had the above bowling line up was far less.. nowadays every time we bowl first.. and are playing against one of the top 8 teams.. they cross 300..

akabir77
June 26, 2008, 10:25 AM
no one said never.. but the number of times that our opponents scored 300+ when we had the above bowling line up was far less.. nowadays every time we bowl first.. and are playing against one of the top 8 teams.. they cross 300..

and we r playing in batting wickets... All i am saying the difference is not that much. they might have scored 320 instead of 357 with that line up...

crikfreak
June 26, 2008, 10:33 AM
rafiq retired & shakib's got exams....siddons not interested in Rasel whereas mash and razzak were still there and bowled reasonably well....i respect what u have to say...but our selectors and board also have a responsibility in improving our cricket....it is the selectors' job to get players to represent BD and it is the board's job to hire a world class bowling coach...i agree siddons is only a batting coach..but if u see BD batting is improving keeping in mind shakib and aftab are missing and our opening slot with tamim is unsettled....our batting this asia cup has been motivating until now..even today they scored 220 odd even after ashraful was wrongly out so siddons is improving the batting...for what you said restricting to 250-270 i hope u take into account our bowlers were bowling on a flat deck in the hot humid weather which honestly isnt easy when Sangakkara and Jayasuriya were in supreme touch...

sakib didn't have exams against pak.. all the 3 matches in tht series.. where pak batted first.. they crossed 300.. i agree with the red part.. i know our batting has improved.. it is because siddons is a specialist batting coach.. but what is the use of batting well if ur bowling sux?? if its a game like the first one.. where bd manages 300.. then u can win matches.. if we make runs.. we give away even more runs which eventually results in losing matches.. and why should the selectors throw in new players who are not ready replacing old and more experienced players.. shouldn't they be tried with the A team before appearing in the international screen?? its the selectors job to improve our cricket.. ok fine.. but how can u improve the country's cricket if u throw out old players and bring in rookies who haven't even been tried properly to replace them??

all i'm trying to say is.. rasel should be brought back.. and once sakibs exam gets over we'll have 4 frontline bowlers: mash-rasel-razzak-sakib.. now after this.. they have to work with guys like rajib-farhad-alok-mahmudullah-dollar etc.. if the coaches work well with these guys.. and probably bring in someone to replace rafiq and stick with themm.. so they play as a unit.. i believe our bowling can be brought back on track.. like i've already said.. siddons is a batting spacialist.. so he can't do much with our bowling.. for this.. the bcb need to hire a specialist bowling coach to work with these guys.. especially the pacers..

Eshen
June 26, 2008, 11:42 AM
Today UAE has restricted SL under 300 runs, HK did the same thing to Pakistan the other day (one point Pakistan was at 167/7), has our bowling attack gone worse than that of those associate countries ???

Murad
June 26, 2008, 11:43 AM
our bowling will be okay when we send the sharapova and dollar to the pabna and bring back rasel and shakib.

mashi and rashi duta ekta valo couple. they mostly do well together.

sharapova should never come to the oneday team again. he should only play the test cricket like nathan braken play the odi only.

Rifat
June 26, 2008, 11:59 AM
our bowling will be okay when we send the sharapova and dollar to the pabna and bring back rasel and shakib.

mashi and rashi duta ekta valo couple. they mostly do well together.

sharapova should never come to the oneday team again. he should only play the test cricket like nathan braken play the odi only.

i agree, some players are just meant for a certain format of he game...

like aftab and nazimuddin is meant for T20 only.

Baundule
June 26, 2008, 01:24 PM
How Mash is OK? He is supposed to take 1/2 wickets in first spell. I havn't seen him doing it recently.

BANFAN bhai, it isquite difficult to get any wicket, when the bowling partner at the other end makes life easy for the batsmen. If Shahadat would also bowl well, Mashrafe would probably get a bit more expensive; but he would get more chance of getting wickets. The batsmen usually gets easy runs from the other end and so they do not take any risk against him.

Dhruvo
June 26, 2008, 01:32 PM
Probably because siddons isn't a specialist bowling coach and because of bad bowling selection by the selectors,picking new guys who aren't ready like dollar wont do any good for our future , right now we need player aging from 20-25 with 20+ odi matches played before.

crikfreak
June 26, 2008, 04:21 PM
our bowling will be okay when we send the sharapova and dollar to the pabna and bring back rasel and shakib.

mashi and rashi duta ekta valo couple. they mostly do well together.

sharapova should never come to the oneday team again. he should only play the test cricket like nathan braken play the odi only.

why do u call him sharapova??

Kabir
June 26, 2008, 04:26 PM
Sharapova? We've got one in the team?

AsifTheManRahman
June 26, 2008, 07:46 PM
why do u call him sharapova??
Grunt

al Furqaan
June 26, 2008, 10:32 PM
Today UAE has restricted SL under 300 runs, HK did the same thing to Pakistan the other day (one point Pakistan was at 167/7), has our bowling attack gone worse than that of those associate countries ???

i'm afraid it has.

for the first time in probably ever, our batting is the strongest part of our game. thats how bad our bowling has become.

Foozy
June 27, 2008, 12:43 AM
i agree, some players are just meant for a certain format of he game...

like aftab and nazimuddin is meant for T20 only.

kano bhai? .....jodi laigga jai E-):-D

BANFAN
June 27, 2008, 02:49 AM
Should we have the last impression of Dollar yet? or we need to see him more for that !!!

arifur81
June 27, 2008, 04:39 AM
Six words: Mohammad - Rafique - Syed - Rasel - Ma - Mi.

BTW, to Sid's glorious credit, we almost denied the Lankans from batting 50 overs on a batting pitch ... :notworthy:
You have said it all bro, hats off to you. :notworthy::notworthy:

Foozy
June 27, 2008, 04:56 AM
I think this should be our new team for now.... and yes I personally do think this is a much stronger team than the world cup squad, if captained intelligently:

1.Tamim Iqbal
2.Junaed Siddiqui (didnt even get enough fair chances to prove himself)
3.Mohammad Ashraful
4.Raqibul Hasan
5.Shakib Al Hasan
6.Mushfiqur Rahim
7.Alok Kapali / Farhad Reza (if farhad, bat him at 8 and riyad at 7)
8.Mahmudullah Riyad
9.Mashrafe Mortaza
10.Abdur Razzak
11.Syed Rasel

The batting has a lot of depth, and is pretty strong (except for Rasel, everyone bats fairly well nowadays). The bowling, if used rightly is also strong enough. Has enough variation and choices (Rasel, Mash, Razzak, Riyad, Kapali/Reza, Sakib). Needs some smart captaincy thats all.

If pitch is good for seamers, then use Reza [or even Shahadat if needed], and if its good for spinners, use Alok.

P.S. Aftab needs to prove himself as a batsman to get back in the team. A batsman cannot be satisfied by scoring a 10.

tiger_club
June 27, 2008, 05:13 AM
Guys, there is no point going about this over and over again.. the reason why we lost to Sri Lanka because we don't have enough batting power. Now days score below 250 is just unacceptable unless pitch condition is poor. All the good teams are playing in twenty20 format and it seems getting 300 is just too easy for the batsman. We really need to improve our batting, at the moment we're only capable of making 230-240 max. Even we've Russel and Sakib in the team still oponents will get pass 300 easily. Why? they know which ball to play and which ball to leave i.e. Good bowler will have three dot balls in a over but there will be four, two or one to make up the rest. I think recent India/Pakistan game would be great example for this. Don't tell me they have worse bowler than us :smug:

Gowza
June 27, 2008, 05:34 AM
true a score under 250 is considered less than par on anything other than a poor pitch but the fact still remains that BDs bowlers aren't up to scratch. 300s are more common yes, but 350+ like sri lanka got in the last game? that's just unacceptable unless the pitch is an absolute road. didn't see the match so not sure whether the pitch was a road or not but still a 350+ score isn't that common even on batting friendly pitches. also if ashraful wants to get swing why doesn't he take a bowler like sajidul? doesn't he bowl reasonably quickly and also gets some swing?

Imtiaz
June 27, 2008, 08:25 AM
Ever since Russell was dropped and Rafiq had retired, our bowling sucks. We saw Russell back for a brief time, but that did not help.

I know Shahadat does not belong in the ODI team. But other than that one bowler, what happened to the rest of the bowling? Was Sakib the key? Or Rafiq is indispensable!!

I am seeing match by match decline in the bowling performance. We used to be pretty decent, what happened?

Rasel was the fulcrum around which the ODI bowling depended. Rasel even if he didn't take wickets could be relied upon by and large to keep a lid on things. Rafiq always came on to bowl after the powerplays.

The problem is that many of us do not realise or do not want to realise that we do not have the firepower of other teams. They take the basics for granted. For us, three bowlers bowling well in the same game is a big bonus. When they do, we do well. For example, against India at the WC 2007. Mashrafe took Sehwag, but Rasel's first over put the fear of God in Saurav and for the next five overs he was so scared of nicking the ball, that he virtually shut up shop. Rasel's 10 overs for 31 runs were extremely valuable in that India could not get a launch in the PPs.

Dav Whatmore destroyed Manjural Islam " because he only bowled line and length". This guy seems to be doing the same to Rasel.

Tigers_eye
June 27, 2008, 10:07 AM
Bowling slow is an artform in the dusty slow wickets. Be it in subcontinent or WI wickets. If this basic can not be understand I suggest watch the SA game (WC 2007). The way Smith and co. parished should be lesson to Shahadat and Dolar.

Rasel, just because he is a left hander should be in the team. That alone creates so many problems for the oppositions. Let alone his ODI records.

His recent figures in Ireland stands 16 overs 7 maidens 23 runs and a wicket. 1.43 econ. This is with a cold (sovik - from the field).

crikfreak
June 27, 2008, 10:23 AM
Grunt

oooooh.. now i get it..

BD-Shardul
June 27, 2008, 11:35 AM
According to CI, Farhad will come instead of Shahadat. Dollar is likely to retain his place.

All the Bangladesh bowlers leaked runs against Sri Lanka even though most of them got a wicket for their efforts. Mohammad Ashraful has shuffled around with the batting order - bringing Mushfiqur Rahim up to No. 5 from No. 8 in the match against Sri Lanka - but retained the same XI for the two games. However the 131-run defeat to Sri Lanka may prompt Ashraful to drop Shahadat Hossain, who went for 62 runs in seven overs, for medium-pacer Farhad Reza. Hossain has taken only seven wickets in seven games this year at an average of 49.14.

Bangladesh 1 Tamim Iqbal, 2 Nazimuddin, 3 Mohammad Ashraful (capt), 4 Raqibul Hasan, 5 Mushfiqur Rahim (wk), 6 Alok Kapali, 7 Mahmudullah, 8 Mashrafe Mortaza, 9 Abdur Razzak, 10 Dolar Mahmud, 11 Farhad Reza.

I hope this is not true.

roaring tigerz
June 27, 2008, 11:40 AM
According to CI, Farhad will come instead of Shahadat. Dollar is likely to retain his place.



I hope this is not true.

CI knows very little when it comes to Bangladesh cricket. I am absolutely sure that the news is inaccurate. I don't know if Shahadat will retain his place or not. But rest assured that Dollar will make way for Farhad.

BANFAN
June 27, 2008, 12:18 PM
According to CI, Farhad will come instead of Shahadat. Dollar is likely to retain his place.



I hope this is not true.

That's rubish, if that's true.

Foozy
June 27, 2008, 02:45 PM
According to CI, Farhad will come instead of Shahadat. Dollar is likely to retain his place.



I hope this is not true.

Also according to the same report, we didnt win any games against major opposition since winning the match against india in the world cup.
Its probably a whole load of BS. They have no idea about BD cricket, and they dont even do their research before stating their random assumptions.

akabir77
June 27, 2008, 03:16 PM
this is the feedback i have sent to CI

One of your writer Nishi Narayanan's new preview on <st1:country-region w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:country-region> vs <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region> has a huge error. He/She wrote <o:p></o:p>
"Since beating <st1:country-region w:st="on">India</st1:country-region> in the 2007 World Cup, <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:place></st1:country-region> have failed to carry the momentum forward and have lost to every major opposition in one-dayers. "<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
Really? Didn’t we won against number one team (at that time) SA in the super 8 league. <o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
I can understand that the writer might have lost his/her interest on the WC after his/her team's early exit. But at least he/she should have been doing some research before writing an article. <o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
Please correct the stat.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
Thanks.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
BTW recently i have noticed tons of wrong stat presentation in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:place></st1:country-region> related article. I have started to think that this is done intentionally.

One World
June 27, 2008, 03:19 PM
Actually whatever stats are presented nothing will suffice the truth unless we constantly create competition and start winning a match or 2 in every series/tour.

Eshen
June 27, 2008, 03:36 PM
Not that I am saying a request for correction is inappropriate, but there was no need for so much moaning because someone forgot to mention about one match. That match meant a whole lot to us, but may be not to the world community.

akabir77
June 27, 2008, 03:45 PM
Not that I am saying a request for correction is inappropriate, but there was no need for so much moaning because someone forgot to mention about one match. That match meant a whole lot to us, but may be not to the world community.

Thats not the point. They r stating a fact not fiction. nothing to do with our win or loss. Beside this was not 1st,2nd or even 20th fault. Last time they had one like this was when they name the countries in asia cup where they skipped Bangladesh from the list.

I wonder why its always Bangladesh though? whys its not UAE or some other country...

Foozy
June 27, 2008, 03:46 PM
Actually whatever stats are presented nothing will suffice the truth unless we constantly create competition and start winning a match or 2 in every series/tour.

True say, and it is us who needs to clean up our own mess, because we really look like sore losers at the moment.
Then again CI of all places should have their stats rite, and their articles should be written after doing at least a little bit of research.

akabir77
June 28, 2008, 09:01 AM
they have fixed it (cricinfo)

sbsash
June 28, 2008, 11:48 AM
I was wondering the same thing.

sbsash
June 28, 2008, 11:48 AM
Oh get it now, its because of the pitch.