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Murad
June 26, 2008, 01:09 PM
"Obviously it was my decision as I thought getting a few early wickets, maybe two or three, would put them in trouble as they were playing with just six specialist batsmen. The ball had swung until the first 15 overs when we batted against UAE and there was movement available in the wicket. The bowlers however, were disappointing and could not bowl the line we needed," said Ashraful.

Bangladesh were never in contention after Sri Lanka had made 357 for 9 but Ashraful thought the Tigers allowed them to get on top. Sanath Jayasuriya and Kumar Sangakkara put on 114 inside 15 overs and Bangladesh were always playing catch-up since.

"Jayasuriya (72 off 47 balls) and Sangakkara (101 off 91 balls) played brilliantly but we also bowled poorly at them and they took the game away from us. This was a wicket where you would fancy chasing 270. It was a superb track and I thought I really missed out," said Ashraful who was adjudged caught behind for 8 although television replays suggested that the ball had brushed his trousers on way to the 'keeper.

Lahore has seen temperatures reaching upto 46 degrees Celsius during both match days and for teams playing on consecutive days is a real test of physical and mental fitness. The searing heat has even discouraged the usual spectators from venturing out and matches have been played in front of empty stands. Ashraful said the format was something players had to get used to.

"It was very, very hot and it takes a lot out of you. But as professional players we have to be prepared for everything. The first target when we came here was obviously to beat UAE and ensure that we qualify for the next round in Karachi. That we have done and now our focus would be to try and get everyone playing their best game against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka in the next round and hopefully Karachi will be cooler.

DailyStar (http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=43042)

Baundule
June 26, 2008, 01:20 PM
On the context of the team rule, he had taken the right decision. Sri Lanka is not like Pakistan (that they will let bowlers like Yunus to bowl); but they could relax a bit after scoring 350+ batting first. Then the team target of 240 would become easier.

JS does not know much about SL; but Ashraful knew how tough it would be batting against Vaas and Murali. So, he wanted to give them a bit of assurance of a win (when they had already scored 350+) so that they do not come hard against us.

Eshen
June 26, 2008, 01:23 PM
Yeah, it's very much became the policy of Bangladesh team - let the opposition score 300+ so that they won't give us hard time scoring 200+.

Eshen
June 26, 2008, 01:34 PM
Anyway, I did not expect a stubborn mule like Ashraful to realize what a blunder he made. If he was capable of realizing his mistakes, he would not be so miserable as a batsman in last 7 years or so.

thebest
June 26, 2008, 01:35 PM
If you win the toss, bat first; if you have any doubt, think and decide to bat - Don Bradman.
It is also universal that weaker team should bat first and score heavy. Then there is high probability that stronger team might tumble in chasing big total. Those who are still defending Ash's decision to bowl first is a correct one, I have serious doubt about their cricket sense. BTW, this is not Ash's decision. So blaming Ash is wrong. This is team decision and blame should be put entirely on management which Ash is a part so he could be blame. But my hunch is JS is the decision maker and the others are his yes man. I completely understand JS logic of fielding first. Because once SL score 300(+-25) we would go for honorable defeat and in the process we could score 240. He can claim we are improving, consistently scoring 200+. But his gamble went horribly wrong (or extraordinarily correct) due to crap bowling. SL score 350+ and SL could play at relax mood. Still we struggle to score 200+.

BANFAN
June 26, 2008, 01:36 PM
I really don't understand his justifications !!

"Obviously it was my decision as I thought getting a few early wickets, maybe two or three, would put them in trouble as they were playing with just six specialist batsmen.

If the opponents are short of a batsman, it would be difficult for them if they were made to chase.

The ball had swung until the first 15 overs when we batted against UAE and there was movement available in the wicket.

New Ball swang a bit, in both the innings

Lahore has seen [B]temperatures reaching upto 46 degrees Celsius during both match days and for teams playing on consecutive days is a real test of physical and mental fitness. The searing heat has even discouraged the usual spectators from venturing out and matches have been played in front of empty stands. Ashraful said the format was something players had to get used to.

That does not suggest a fielding first either

"It was very, very hot and it takes a lot out of you. But as professional players we have to be prepared for everything.

Doesn't it suggest a bat first decision?

Crazy !! I still don't believe that JS wasn't involved in the decision. If he wasn't, he isn't doing his job.

Sohel
June 26, 2008, 01:40 PM
Winning OR competeing against the Top 8 is not in thought "process" of Sid and his Kids, so Keptin Kid makes total sense here. Remember, we know NOTHING about cricket.

Sana/Sanga/Mahela = Miskeen 1/Miskeen 2/Miskeen 3 in his book, and I suppose our "pace unit" just didn't get lucky enough against the MIGHTY UAE !

A wicket's a wicket. Who cares if unforced errors or death overs risk-taking have more to do with those than say, the actual merit of the deliveries, right ? Ding-dong, bing-bong !

Zeeshan
June 26, 2008, 02:01 PM
This was a wicket where you would fancy chasing 270

He DID not say "you would fancy..." Lol, or did he?

And if I only got a penny everytime Ashraful said, "obviously"

nasimul
June 26, 2008, 02:25 PM
The ball had swung until the first 15 overs when we batted against UAE and there was movement available in the wicket.

Even the ball had swung the first 15 overs against UAE but our seamers hardly manage line and length. Didnt Ash observe that and also if they are not getting success against UAE then HOW COULD He IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD WORK AGAINST LANKANS!!!!!

Eshen
June 26, 2008, 02:40 PM
If the opponents are short of a batsman, it would be difficult for them if they were made to chase.

New Ball swang a bit, in both the innings.
What you said is very much common sense. Unfortunately, our captain has a very uncommon sense.

akabir77
June 26, 2008, 02:42 PM
I don't know why we had to open another thread to discuss the same thing here? I and some other have given a lot thoughts in the other thread please read them there before questioning any ones cricketing sense. All I am trying do is justify why he could have done such and if you would read those post you would also know that is some logics out there. It might be different then what you think but that doesn't make it any less powerful.

Only thing i want to mention here is yeah we could have batted first and got beaten by any other match within 35 overs so what difference does it make?

as if we could have won the match for sure... If you think that way then i doubt your ability to think in a real world...grow up and move on. enough thread on this silly thing.

bdchamp20
June 26, 2008, 02:42 PM
Those who are still defending Ash's decision to bowl first is a correct one, I have serious doubt about their cricket sense. BTW, this is not Ash's decision. So blaming Ash is wrong. This is team decision and blame should be put entirely on management which Ash is a part so he could be blame. But my hunch is JS is the decision maker and the others are his yes man. I completely understand JS logic of fielding first. Because once SL score 300(+-25) we would go for honorable defeat and in the process we could score 240. He can claim we are improving, consistently scoring 200+. But his gamble went horribly wrong (or extraordinarily correct) due to crap bowling. SL score 350+ and SL could play at relax mood. Still we struggle to score 200+.
Ashraful just admitted it was his decision.

bdchamp20
June 26, 2008, 02:46 PM
What you said is very much common sense. Unfortunately, our captain has a very uncommon sense.
Haha! Like I said in the other thread our players try to over-isshmart without even being able to do the basics right. Letting Raj open the bowling. Rajib experimenting with his bowling in ODIs, I mean first do the normal stuff right then try the abnormal stuff thats just common sense but as u said our players have a isspeshal kind of sense, the uncommon sense.

Eshen
June 26, 2008, 02:53 PM
If Ashraful made this decision without Siddons' consent, Siddons needs to request BCB for a new captain. However, I don't believe Ashraful would dare making toss decisions on his own without discussing with the coach. I think the management is just acting cowardice and letting Ashraful to take the fall by himself.

Sohel
June 26, 2008, 03:39 PM
If Ashraful made this decision without Siddons' consent, Siddons needs to request BCB for a new captain. However, I don't believe Ashraful would dare making toss decisions on his own without discussing with the coach. I think the management is just acting cowardice and letting Ashraful to take the fall by himself.

Obhiasly ... ;)

Dhakablues
June 26, 2008, 03:59 PM
The way things are in this team,,, there is no single perfomer or leader per se, other than Sakib who is still too young.

So obhiashly Ashraful ij the Kephten por naw

Sohel
June 26, 2008, 04:01 PM
The way things are in this team,,, there is no single perfomer or leader per se, other than Sakib who is still too young.

So obhiashly Ashraful ij the Kephten por naw

Phashtobol, I lyk 2 thenk iu phor iur ispot on comment. Obhiasly iuar rite. It ij e sed sichueshan phor aas.

Nafis_BD
June 26, 2008, 04:04 PM
You know I think we shouldn't be discussing about this now. The match is over so no point wasting our time like this. Instead we should be opening threads on what to do next match and how we are going to do them. How we are going to improve our mistakes next instead of just arguing over just one mistake!!

Kabir
June 26, 2008, 04:05 PM
Phashtobol, I lyk 2 thenk iu phor iur ispot on comment. Obhiasly iuar rite. It ij e sed sichueshan phor aas.

Sohel bhai...apni noshto hoiya jaitesen. You're hanging around with abol tabol crowd. Apnar english gelo...

Tokhon e koisilam Narindar oli goli te ghuiren na. Shunen nai amar kotha.

Tigers_eye
June 26, 2008, 04:08 PM
Ami bujtasi na!! Amar bhishon koshto hoitasey. Really!! Someone is eating me up from the inside. I don't have "crimi" in my stomack. Feel like going postal.

Will try to calm down now. have a class to teach in two hours.

Sohel
June 26, 2008, 04:09 PM
Sohel bhai...apni noshto hoiya jaitesen. You're hanging around with abol tabol crowd. Apnar english gelo...

Tokhon e koisilam Narindar oli goli te ghuiren na. Shunen nai amar kotha.

I beleeb oan mast du ej di roman du, obhiasly. My Inglish ij istil more better then halago Bangla.

Ekusher syatona ... :pamfs_phisht:

Tigers_eye
June 26, 2008, 04:11 PM
Phashtobol, I lyk 2 thenk iu phor iur ispot on comment. Obhiasly iuar rite. It ij e sed sichueshan phor aas.
Sohel bhai, ekta anti-yaba tablet den!! Amar obostha beshi bhalo na.

Kabir
June 26, 2008, 04:12 PM
Ami bujtasi na!! Amar bhishon koshto hoitasey. Really!! Someone is eating me up from the inside. I don't have "crimi" in my stomack.

No no...I'm pretty sure it's crimi. Tell me if any of the following is true:

1. Pet a kochor mochor kochor mochor awaz dey (like kaat poka)
2. Oshlil jagate khaujjay

Doctor er kaase jan bhai...never delay in such situations.

Sohel
June 26, 2008, 04:16 PM
Sohel bhai, ekta anti-yaba tablet den!! Amar obostha beshi bhalo na.

Obhiasly Koran paurho monojog diya ar kaurolar raush khao dine tin byala. Kam na hoile Koranta niya RAB 1 HQ-te chiola jao Uttaray.

Tigers_eye
June 26, 2008, 04:23 PM
Obhiasly Koran paurho monojog diya ar kaurolar raush khao dine tin byala. Kam na hoile Koranta niya RAB 1 HQ-te chiola jao Uttaray.
phastabol, Ie kan knot tok sumudly lyke eu. obhiusly, I shud knot hav taikan Daktar Siddons medichin. naow I realije, that pereskiption ij tha rial rijon fhor mai stomak poroblem. that ij whaat iating mi inshide out.

Kabir
June 26, 2008, 04:28 PM
Actually, come to think of it, crimi can be a good solution for our batsmen.

Imagine...if they had crimi, taile ora body re mochor marbe khaujjanir chote...that way, they will cover most of the 1-bat area on the off and leg side of the stumps. This way, bowling out a batsman in our team will be close to impossible.

What say?

crikfreak
June 26, 2008, 04:44 PM
:floor::floor::floor::floor::floor:

u guys are bhery phunny!!

aj phor our decison to bowl pharst.. it ij obhiously right.. beckoj obhiously our keptin ashraful haj taken it..

crikfreak
June 26, 2008, 04:48 PM
now.. jokes apart.. can we forget this and move on?? i think its about time we start thinking about the next match.. a blunder with the toss had been made.. i think most people realized tht.. holding a grudge against it is not gonna help.. i think we oughta forget this and move on.. its not like we wud have won if we batted first..

djnaved
June 26, 2008, 06:35 PM
Those who are still defending Ash's decision to bowl first is a correct one, I have serious doubt about their cricket sense. BTW, this is not Ash's decision. So blaming Ash is wrong. This is team decision and blame should be put entirely on management which Ash is a part so he could be blame. But my hunch is JS is the decision maker and the others are his yes man. I completely understand JS logic of fielding first. Because once SL score 300(+-25) we would go for honorable defeat and in the process we could score 240. He can claim we are improving, consistently scoring 200+. But his gamble went horribly wrong (or extraordinarily correct) due to crap bowling. SL score 350+ and SL could play at relax mood. Still we struggle to score 200+.

ash already told to the newspaper that it was his decision, he didn't ask the team management whether to bowl or bat.....he thought that the ball will swing in the first 15 overs, which is totally stupid.......do we bowlers like glen mcgrath or brett lee, to swing the ball everytime?:-|

nsd3
June 26, 2008, 07:33 PM
Sohel NR Bhai, is this the way BD players speak in English? And is that why you are doing it that way being sarcastic? Just asking, cuz it's really funny!:)

smashyboy
June 26, 2008, 09:38 PM
Bangladesh has batted first 10 times against SL and lost all 10. It is pure fiction that result would have been different had BD batted first. What if SL had won the toss.

oracle
June 26, 2008, 10:05 PM
Obviously it was my decision as I thought getting a few early wickets, maybe two or three, would put them in trouble as they were playing with just six specialist batsmen

I would'nt harp or hammer him too much on the decision but I would like to see more courageous honesty instead of lame excuses. Especially from such a fine and promising player. Moreover, I did'nt understand the logic of that, how many specialist batsman do you need in ODI? Is he thinking of some correlation between the bowling line up and the number of specialist batsmen?

al Furqaan
June 26, 2008, 10:27 PM
Bangladesh has batted first 10 times against SL and lost all 10. It is pure fiction that result would have been different had BD batted first. What if SL had won the toss.

its all about mindset. not about resuts.

jisaan
June 27, 2008, 04:17 AM
ASH's next world record!

ash already has a few ....
youngest to score a 100
quickest to hit a 50 in tests
2nd quickest to hit a 50 in t20

....

he should be the 1st captain sacked for STUPIDITY

who could forget his OTTOHASHI caught on tv when bd was on the brink of 4th consecutive defeat agt pakistan....
add that to umpteenth examples of stupid comments

his perceived next record should come soon for the sake of our future in cricket

PoorFan
June 27, 2008, 04:30 AM
Bangladesh has batted first 10 times against SL and lost all 10. It is pure fiction that result would have been different had BD batted first. What if SL had won the toss.
Who said about the result?? The argument point is ...

1. you felt you are dead just after playing 10 overs
2. then you still had to field 50 overs under very hot and humid condition
3. then you know you earned a humiliation number 350+
4. finally you walked down the crease with heavy shoulder, tired legs, dead mind, destined for humiliation.

On the other hand, if you batted first at least you had the chance of

1. slow down the pace of destined humiliation, as well as mental damage
2. saving yourself from physical tiredness ( comparatively after fielding 50 overs )
3. rather making opponent physically tired in the process by resisting with bat

Its not about result, its about approach and process to minimize your damage and maximize your outcome. It is always better and realistic, rather than going after your instinct.

zainab
June 27, 2008, 06:48 AM
I feel that Bd always has a mental block when they face the Sri lankans, it is one team against which they have had their most humiliating defeats, Ash felt that bowling first would give them a better chance, but he made a big blunder. He should know that whether he batted first or bowled first, the outcome would have been the same.
I guess that that he did not think about the stifling heat and humidity, also they were playing back to back games and they were tired, so they should have batted first and let Sri Lanka fielded first. anyhow, he made a stupid mistake and he should know better next time.

Gowza
June 27, 2008, 07:07 AM
yep agree, being tired from the day before, sending the sri lankans out to field in the hot humid weather would have been more beneficial for BD. it would have made it that much more difficult for the sri lankan batsmen and if BD were able to post a reasonable target then i think the contest would have been more competitive. i guess the other side of it is that ashraful knows the bowling hasn't been great recently and he wanted to get every bit of advantage he could for his bowlers but of course we all know how that turned out.

BD-Shardul
June 27, 2008, 11:44 AM
I don't know why we had to open another thread to discuss the same thing here? I and some other have given a lot thoughts in the other thread please read them there before questioning any ones cricketing sense. All I am trying do is justify why he could have done such and if you would read those post you would also know that is some logics out there. It might be different then what you think but that doesn't make it any less powerful.

Only thing i want to mention here is yeah we could have batted first and got beaten by any other match within 35 overs so what difference does it make?

as if we could have won the match for sure... If you think that way then i doubt your ability to think in a real world...grow up and move on. enough thread on this silly thing.

Bad den to akabir bhai. Chaira den.

Just watch, sit back and relax. I am feeling that BD will improve under Guru Siddons, so just be patient. If BD improves, anti-Siddons will have to eat theor words. Their "bod-dowa" will fall on them. If BD goes other way round, although i don't think so,...................

enaner
June 27, 2008, 07:02 PM
Phashtobol, I lyk 2 thenk iu phor iur ispot on comment. Obhiasly iuar rite. It ij e sed sichueshan phor aas.

lmao:lol:

Roni_uk
June 27, 2008, 09:24 PM
absolutely stupid decision but who cares bd wouldnt have won it either way... but our captains / management keep taking stupid decisions on toss all the time.

Sohel
June 28, 2008, 12:55 AM
Extreme heat may cause temporariry mental retardation is some folks from Scandinavia. Ashraful is from Bashabo by way of N'ganj and B'baria -- so that's that.

Before winning, one needs to have the "will to compete". Obhiasly that's no longer the case with Sid's Kids against the top 8. Everything else is bull$hit.

I'm fearing more such "decisions" in the future.

lamisa
June 28, 2008, 01:07 AM
sohel bhai,u r really funny!!:lol::lol::lol:someone,hit ash on the head!!!!:timeout:

Sohel
June 28, 2008, 02:29 AM
sohel bhai,u r really funny!!:lol::lol::lol:someone,hit ash on the head!!!!:timeout:

Phashtobol lamisha-afa, i ud lyk tu thenku, obhiasly.

Chhekondly, i bet timruls, my ebharej imprubhs, ui iskor tuphotti, end ui imprubh obhiasly.

checkmate
June 28, 2008, 02:34 AM
i agree with the descision ashraful took,for the first time he took a escision and backed it.its unfortunate the bowlers didnt support him.i play cricket,and i know the game,i would have done the same,when u play against bigger team,and if there is movement of the pitch u should bowl,let the better team bat,coz putting target is usually difficult,we know bangaldesh doesn't know to set targets,once u knw the target its easier to chase.(remember Cardif,bd lost the second match against australia,after scoring 250,australia was chasing,they won the first,BD was chassing).at the moment srilanka has 2 batsman in excellent form(jayasuriya,sanga,.thanks to ...IPL)had BD got them quickly,srilanka might have not got more than 250(Max 270).we lost the match coz our bowlers didnt play accordingly.too many bowls down the legside.had BD batted first what ever score they might have set,srilanka would have managed.ash took that descision coz he wanted to win the match.i like his attitude towards the game now.he is taking responbsiblity,he is backing his descision.its unfortunate that he didn't get it right this time.but Inshallah he will.