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Imtiaz
June 29, 2008, 05:17 AM
I feel a lot better after yesterday - notwithstanding our loss. We played an ODI as it should be played. Hence, no feeling of a humiliation - we competed.

Here is the nucleus of my team. Certainly for ODI's but I see no reason why not for tests:

Tamim
Ashraful
Raquib
Sakib
Alok
Aftab
Mushfiq
Mashrafe
Razzak
Shahadat
Rasel

or,

Tamim
Ashraful
Mushfiq
Raquib
Sakib
Alok
Aftab
Mashrafe
Razzak
Shahadat
Rasel

Point # 1. No bits and pieces player. Each player commands a place at least in one discipline.

Point # 2. Ashraful has become the "virtual" opener. Let him be one. Under JS , the "innings building" has paid dividends. Yesterday, he flirted with the demons again with fatal consequences.

Point # 3. Unless JS can also "tame" Aftab similarly, use him to what he likes to do. To me this is a shame as I feel Aftab could be a top class batsman. Both he and Ash are stubborn as a mule, but Ash seems to be softening.

Point # 4. Raquib and Sakib - no discussions. I took Sakib also as a bits and pieces player. Either he has improved or I was wrong, I don't know. A bit of both , maybe. Raquib has been solid from the first time I saw him. A very un-Bangladeshi player. He is almost reliable.

Point # 5. Alok comes in as a batsman. His bowling is a bonus. He alongwith Sakib and Aftab will be the 5th or 6th bowler. Together they will bowl 10+ overs.

Point # 6. Here I have changed my mind. Go in with Shahadat but tame him. Explain to him that he is not as quick as he thinks but if he does bowl in the right channels he should command a place. Now that there is no replacement for Rafiq - Mahmudullah is a joke - 3 pacers effectively becomes the norm.

Point # 7. Rasel. of course, comes back. Otherwise I will organise an insurgency !!

bdchamp20
June 29, 2008, 06:12 AM
ODI XI:
Tamim
Mushfiq
Ashraful*
Raqibul
Shakib
Kapali
Dhiman+
Mashrafe
Razzak
Shahadat
Rasel

Junayed
Riyad
Mosharaf
Tapash/Talha

Miraz
June 29, 2008, 06:30 AM
I don't think one century has cemented Kapali's position in the team as a batsman. He is still a " bits and pieces player" (according to your denition) who can bat a bit and bowl a bit. Let him perform consistently and earn his place in the team. I would be very happy if he can do that and become a permanent fixture for the next few years. Good for Kapali and good for Bangladesh.

If Kapali can't maintain his consistency, which he failed to do over the years, he will be easily replaced by Mahmudullah Riayd who is more assuring in both batting and bowling.

BagherBacha
June 29, 2008, 06:32 AM
Team should be like this-

Tamim
Aftab
Ash
raqib
Sakib
Mushfique
Kapali/Riad
Razzak
Mash
Shahadat
Rasel

Junayed
Nazmul Hossain
SN-for middle order for facing spin incase someone failed

mahbubH
June 29, 2008, 06:38 AM
I like the team, Imtiaz. I like Mushfiq in the top of order more than the other options. Bowling would be pretty solid. Hope batsmen get some runs, we will have more matches like the last one.

taklima_naj
June 29, 2008, 06:44 AM
Tamim
Mushfiq or tommorow we can try with mehrab
ash
raqib
saqib
kapali
aftab
mash
razzak
shahadat have to be more effective otherwise need to think other way
rasel offcourse



in reserve
forhad
riyad
mehrab jr
mossharaf not sure of him but as rafiq recommends and selectors prefer deserve more chance in 15 squad

simon
June 29, 2008, 07:04 AM
my opinion is to keep both RYAD & ALOK,bring Sakib in by dropping Nazim.
Forget AFTAB & keep Raqibl,we may also let Raqbl open with Tamim.
Drop Farhad & bring back Rasel.

BanCricFan
June 29, 2008, 07:18 AM
If Kapali can't maintain his consistency, which he failed to do over the years, he will be easily replaced by Mahmudullah Riayd who is more assuring in both batting and bowling.

Absurdity at its best!

Sohel
June 29, 2008, 07:20 AM
I'll post my team after this tournament.

BANFAN
June 29, 2008, 07:41 AM
That's what is the team with following:

1 # Riyad is still a better option than Aftab and ahead of Alok in consistency
2 # There is nothing to Jump with Alex now, we did it before after his test hattrick, he needs to be more consistent to have a permanent place.
3 # I am not so sure about Rasel, I think he isn't going to be back under JS. We may have to look for a third pacer, Farhad/Dollar is no good either.
4 # Any two of Tamim, Mushi, raquibul should be opening and they should be 1,2,3 in batting order
5 # Ash should be at 4, Sakib 5, Alex 6

Miraz
June 29, 2008, 07:50 AM
Absurdity at its best!

You failed to see the most important part of my quote my friend. :)

Originally Posted by Miraz
If Kapali can't maintain his consistency, which he failed to do over the years, he will be easily replaced by Mahmudullah Riayd who is more assuring in both batting and bowling.

If Kapali can maintain consistency and occasionally produces masterful innings like the one against India, he will be way ahead of Riyad.

The_Yorker
June 29, 2008, 08:11 AM
Everyone wants Rasel back and so do I. But he is not getting wicket with A team in Ireland. Is he ready? Any thought?

BANFAN
June 29, 2008, 08:25 AM
This Rasel hype is just because our third pacer is not performing. If we can find another genuine pacer, that will solve the prob.

More over, JS probably is also not favouring him.

taklima_naj
June 29, 2008, 09:19 AM
Everyone wants Rasel back and so do I. But he is not getting wicket with A team in Ireland. Is he ready? Any thought?

well in ODI wickets is not everything, accuracy is very important where batsman feels pressure and makes mistake and on the other end bowlers get wicket. rasel, rafique did it most of the time. thats why we always said our bowling was stronger and now what can we see?................................

pappiok
June 29, 2008, 11:00 AM
there is a lack of opener. ash,raqibul,saqibul, and aftab r not good at open. so we need to developed s.nafis or junaid siddiki.........

sonarbangla
June 29, 2008, 01:03 PM
Tamim
Mushfiq
riad
Rakibul
Sakib
Ashraful
Aftab / Nazim
Alok [I still consider him as a leggi]
Mashrafee
Razzak
Russel

Farhad (sub)

then we have bowling options:

Mashrafee
Russel
Razzak
Sakib
Alok + Riad + Aftab = 10 over

Logic is: Give it a stable start, and then send our hitters at the very end. Keep taking singles till the 30th over.

Shobha
June 29, 2008, 01:31 PM
my dream team:

Tamim
Aftab (i'm telling you opening with him will work!)
Raqib
Sakib
ashraful
rahim
Kapali
riyad (highly in doubt)
mortaza
razzak
rasel (pray that he comes back in form)

Eshen
June 29, 2008, 02:58 PM
I also like to see Aftab opening. We need a pinch hitter to go along with Tamim (who has now become an orthodox opener), and Aftab, I believe, is the best option we have in Bangladesh. If he fails to adapt to this role, we can bring back Zunaed.

I am also willing to stick with Shahadat, at least for the next ODI series in Australia. If he can be trained to bowl more consistently in right areas, he can be a better opening bowler (along with Rasel) than Mashrafe is. In that case, Mashrafe can be in the team as the third seamer.

One from Mahmudullah and Alok has to be left out to make place for Sakib. Unless Mahamudullah produce a magnificent century in next two ODIs, I think it will be him.

I also like the see the best performer from the A-team that currently touring England (someone besides the ones already in the national team) is included in the squad for next ODI series.

So, my team would be -

Tamim Iqbal
Aftab Ahmed
Mohammad Ashraful
Rokibul Hasan
Sakib Al Hasan
Alok Kapali
Mushfiqur Rahim
Abdur Razzak
Mashrafe Mortaza
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel

12th Man: Farhad Reza

Reserves: Mahmudullah, Mosharraf Hossain, The best performer from the A-team

BANFAN
June 29, 2008, 03:09 PM
Pinch hitting strategy could only work in dead flat pitches, where there is no chance of movement. Somewhat like yesterdays (Vs Ind) pitch.

We probably need a stable opener to steady the innings and get the stage ready for the later guys to come and play with some agression. Aftab, I am in serious doubt about his future in the team, unless he brings in a little more orthodoxy in his batting.

jayasurja is not a pinch hitter, Aftab could be one close to that, if he had some sense in his batting. He has really turned into a pinch hitter.

nycpro96
June 29, 2008, 03:11 PM
I feel a lot better after yesterday - notwithstanding our loss. We played an ODI as it should be played. Hence, no feeling of a humiliation - we competed.

Here is the nucleus of my team. Certainly for ODI's but I see no reason why not for tests:

Tamim
Ashraful
Raquib
Sakib
Alok
Aftab
Mushfiq
Mashrafe
Razzak
Shahadat
Rasel

or,

Tamim
Ashraful
Mushfiq
Raquib
Sakib
Alok
Aftab
Mashrafe
Razzak
Shahadat
Rasel

Point # 1. No bits and pieces player. Each player commands a place at least in one discipline.

Point # 2. Ashraful has become the "virtual" opener. Let him be one. Under JS , the "innings building" has paid dividends. Yesterday, he flirted with the demons again with fatal consequences.

Point # 3. Unless JS can also "tame" Aftab similarly, use him to what he likes to do. To me this is a shame as I feel Aftab could be a top class batsman. Both he and Ash are stubborn as a mule, but Ash seems to be softening.

Point # 4. Raquib and Sakib - no discussions. I took Sakib also as a bits and pieces player. Either he has improved or I was wrong, I don't know. A bit of both , maybe. Raquib has been solid from the first time I saw him. A very un-Bangladeshi player. He is almost reliable.

Point # 5. Alok comes in as a batsman. His bowling is a bonus. He alongwith Sakib and Aftab will be the 5th or 6th bowler. Together they will bowl 10+ overs.

Point # 6. Here I have changed my mind. Go in with Shahadat but tame him. Explain to him that he is not as quick as he thinks but if he does bowl in the right channels he should command a place. Now that there is no replacement for Rafiq - Mahmudullah is a joke - 3 pacers effectively becomes the norm.

Point # 7. Rasel. of course, comes back. Otherwise I will organise an insurgency !!

I personally like your team and strategy but isnt sakib one of our main spin bowlers and doesnt he bowl full 10 overs all the time?

Eshen
June 29, 2008, 03:13 PM
Pinch hitting strategy could only work in dead flat pitches, where there is no chance of movement. Somewhat like yesterdays (Vs Ind) pitch.

We probably need a stable opener to steady the innings and get the stage ready for the later guys to come and play with some agression. Aftab, I am in serious doubt about his future in the team, unless he brings in a little more orthodoxy in his batting.

jayasurja is not a pinch hitter, Aftab could be one close to that, if he had some sense in his batting. He has really turned into a pinch hitter.
Nowadays, pitches used in ODIs are flat most of the time, may be not as dead as pitches used in Kitply Cup or Asia Cup, but still flat (remember the pitches in NZ for the ODI series ?).

I will be very glad if we can find someone more stable and consistent than Aftab to partner Tamim, but at this point we have none.

sbsash
June 29, 2008, 03:40 PM
My team for ODI's.......

1.Tamim
2.Mushfiq
3.Ashraful
4.Rokibul
5.Aftab
6.Sakib
7.Alok
8.Mahmadulla
9.Mashrafe
10.Razzak
11.Shahadat or Rasel

This is why I think my batting order will be good....
1.I think Mushfiq will do a good job as opener.
2.There are 6 bowlers.
3.9 of the players can bat well.
4.4 of the bowlers are spinners.
5.2 of the bowlers are pace bowlers and you can count Aftab as a pace bowler if you want to.

Bangladesh team should try that order.

GO BANGLADESH!!!

djnaved
June 29, 2008, 05:08 PM
putting down aftab as a opener or putting down aftab in 6th or 7th down is not a good solution at all........like his earlier days he could hit sixes and fours easily, but the from 2007, when he tries to play shots from the crease he gets caught to the slip/midwicket............he have played more than 50 odis, still doesn't get a century, lack of patience causes it......

here is my best 11:

Tamim
SN/Nazim/Junayed( we need another good opener like tamim, but we have only 3 openers)
Ashraful
Rakibul
Sakib
Alok
Mushfique
Riyad/Forhad(depends upon the pitch)
Razzak
Mashrafee
Rasel

Eshen
June 29, 2008, 05:45 PM
putting down aftab as a opener or putting down aftab in 6th or 7th down is not a good solution at all........like his earlier days he could hit sixes and fours easily, but the from 2007, when he tries to play shots from the crease he gets caught to the slip/midwicket............he have played more than 50 odis, still doesn't get a century, lack of patience causes it......
I admit it's frustrating to see how inconsistent Aftab is, but he is still better than Shahriar, Nazim, or Zunaed.

Shahriar has been averaging around 10 (not counting minnow matches) for last two and half years, I think I have seen enough of him.

Aftab and Nazim have been playing side by side since their U/19 days. Both are similar kind of batsmen, but so far indications say Aftab is a much better option.

Zunaed has potential to be a better batsman, but at this point his form is much worse than that of Aftab.

Once again, I will be very happy if we can find a more consistent partner for Tamim, but at this point we have none better than Aftab.

Eshen
June 29, 2008, 06:05 PM
BTW, I am not expecting any Jayasuriya out of Aftab, but it will be still an achievement if we can make a Kaluwitharana out of him.

Imtiaz
June 29, 2008, 06:32 PM
I personally like your team and strategy but isnt sakib one of our main spin bowlers and doesnt he bowl full 10 overs all the time?

Let me clarify my position a bit more. In my opinion, Sakib is a very intelligent cricketer who knows his limitations and plays within it. He is particularly aware of his limitations as a bowler. Therefore, he bowls tried and tested balls, usually round arm into the pads at varying pace. He keeps the runs down and can be difficult to get away on slow tracks.

The chances are he would bowl 10 overs in my dream time as all the 4 regular bowlers may not have a good day. Of the three I mention, Sakib would still be first choice, but I would like Alok and him to bowl at tandem , ideally, after the powerplays are over [ during the consolidation phase ], so that we can get away from the 5th bowler's 10 overs as quickly as possible.

sonarbangla
June 29, 2008, 06:36 PM
guys, aftab and nazim can't play well against new ball. they take so much time to get adjust to the swing. therefore none of em are a good opening option.

cricman
June 29, 2008, 06:51 PM
guys, aftab and nazim can't play well against new ball. they take so much time to get adjust to the swing. therefore none of em are a good opening option.

Aftab is been Virtual opener for most of his career, His Weakness is his Strength playing aggressive and risky

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Murad
June 29, 2008, 07:24 PM
A virtual opener and a specialist opener are two different thing.

Virtual openers never do well when they play the role of a specialist opener.

Rahul Dravid is a virtual opener. But he always failed when he was given the opening role. He said in an interview that coming at no.3 and opening are two different thing. And he never felt safe when he opened but he felt good when he comes at 3 even if its within the first over of the innings. It's a psychological thing and he never understood why.

So from his comments, I can say that it'll be a fatal mistake if Ashraful opens the innings for BD. He will fail like he used to when he was an opener.

Jar kaaj takei korte deya valo. Opening kora ta ekta specialist er kaaj. So orokom ekjonkei khoja uchit.

Eshen
June 29, 2008, 07:29 PM
Murad, nowadays all the teams are using makeshift ODI openers, the idea that you got to have specialists for those slots has become obsolete (ask Siddons, he is using Nazimuddin). In Dravid's case, he was struggling with his form regardless of his batting position.

Murad
June 29, 2008, 07:34 PM
Murad, nowadays all the teams are using makeshift ODI openers. In Dravid's case, he was struggling with his form regardless of his batting position.

But brother, are we in that level yet?

We've tried Ash as opener before. He failed. He's doing well at no.3 and the later batsmen doing well too. I don't think it will be a good idea to seperate them. They are settling down in their own positions.

Murad
June 29, 2008, 07:41 PM
We can try Aftab as an opener though, as I don't see a place for him in the middle order. No.3 - no.7 are taken. Only place he can take is no.2

Eshen
June 29, 2008, 07:46 PM
But brother, are we in that level yet?
Not sure what you mean by that. If someone has good enough reflex to face the new ball, has ability play shots both on his backfoot and frontfoot, why not use him as an opener ?

We've tried Ash as opener before. He failed. He's doing well at no.3 and the later batsmen doing well too. I don't think it will be a good idea to seperate them. They are settling down in their own positions.
I have not said anything about unsettling the batting position of anyone from #3 to lower down.

BanCricFan
June 29, 2008, 07:47 PM
Aftab would be more than a virtual opener if he is given the license to thrill. Tamim and Aftab opening and allowed to play their "natural game"- could there be any better mouth watering prospect than this- I wonder?! ...Left/right combo as well.

Eshen
June 29, 2008, 07:54 PM
BTW, I am surprised to see many people here are considering Nazim as a specialist opener. As far I know, he has played this role on rare occasions, just few times more often than Aftab has done.

nahaz
June 29, 2008, 08:41 PM
I don't think one century has cemented Kapali's position in the team as a batsman. He is still a " bits and pieces player" (according to your denition) who can bat a bit and bowl a bit. Let him perform consistently and earn his place in the team. I would be very happy if he can do that and become a permanent fixture for the next few years. Good for Kapali and good for Bangladesh.

If Kapali can't maintain his consistency, which he failed to do over the years, he will be easily replaced by Mahmudullah Riayd who is more assuring in both batting and bowling.

I don't think the century has cemented his place either. But it does show his ability to build a long innings...and more importantly , his uncanny ability to accelerate effortlessly. Dare I say, it might have been just as good as ash at cardiff. You cannot just drop him now even if he gets ducks in the next two matches...coz u know he can come back. Plus with his significantly greater experience of first class and international matches, don't u think he is way ahead of Riad. He's a genuine leggie who can take wickets . He's got all the shots , plus a brain. And I'm sure he'll try to score every match, and you know it.

al Furqaan
June 29, 2008, 10:26 PM
I also like to see Aftab opening. We need a pinch hitter to go along with Tamim (who has now become an orthodox opener),...

Eshen, i agree and the funny thing is that being the wham bam opener tamim had a career strike rate in the low 60s. being orthodox his strike rate is now in the high 70s or low 80s - pretty decent by today's standards, and great for a decade ago.

Eshen
June 29, 2008, 10:51 PM
Eshen, i agree and the funny thing is that being the wham bam opener tamim had a career strike rate in the low 60s. being orthodox his strike rate is now in the high 70s or low 80s - pretty decent by today's standards, and great for a decade ago.
You generally get a good strike rate when you last long enough (Alok's last innings is a very good example here), back in the time Tamim did not last long enough that often.

wiseshah
June 29, 2008, 11:15 PM
I think we should watch kapali for next few matches before any conclusion. though i am a kapali supporter from the beginning but i prefer consistency like tamim, shakib and recently raqibul.

but ATM my team will be

tamim
Mushfiq
ashraful
raqibul
alok
shakib
aftab (mahmudullah riad)
mashrafe
razzaq
shahadat
rasel

rest 3: shahriar nafees, Dhiman Ghosh, sajedul/talha)
this is my total 15

now u decide. anyway, opening position can be switched with aftab and mushfiq

rattlehead
June 29, 2008, 11:36 PM
i dont understand why some people are still keen to have aftab back
he is by far one the crappiest "batsman" with one or two lucky clean hits
he can only come back, once he does something extra ordinary, either in the A team or domestic leagues..other wise a big no no to him

keep the same team, with the inclusion of sakib and rasel in place of riyad (sadly) and farhad.
and there u go, one the strongest one day teams we have had to date

wiseshah
June 30, 2008, 12:34 AM
i dont understand why some people are still keen to have aftab back
he is by far one the crappiest "batsman" with one or two lucky clean hits
he can only come back, once he does something extra ordinary, either in the A team or domestic leagues..other wise a big no no to him

keep the same team, with the inclusion of sakib and rasel in place of riyad (sadly) and farhad.
and there u go, one the strongest one day teams we have had to date


dont agree with u at all. i am sure, most BC fans will say the same thing. aftab-ash are quality batsmen. In future, he will be considered one of the greatest players of BD

bujhee kom
June 30, 2008, 01:28 AM
i have a feeling someone named with the letter "n' will rock aginst SL today!

BANFAN
June 30, 2008, 01:57 AM
Nowadays, pitches used in ODIs are flat most of the time, may be not as dead as pitches used in Kitply Cup or Asia Cup, but still flat (remember the pitches in NZ for the ODI series ?).

U r right, but not always. Like you see what's happening in Ire with the A team. Even in the Asia cup in Lahore or in NZ, the new ball was moving for first 8-10 overs. That makes trouble for pinch hitters

I will be very glad if we can find someone more stable and consistent than Aftab to partner Tamim, but at this point we have none.

Yes, who ever comes now will be on trial basis, as we don't have proven performer. But we can pick someone who has proven patience and are more sound in their skills, I wouldn't mind trying with Mushi or Rakib. If the pitch is flat, Tamim can play strokes as well to compensate for Aftab. I think that makes our opening more stable.

Eshen
June 30, 2008, 02:11 AM
But we can pick someone who has proven patience and are more sound in their skills, I wouldn't mind trying with Mushi or Rakib.
Rokibul used to be an opening batsman, but an inconsistent one. He became consistent when he started to play as a middle order batsman a year and half ago. I don't think it's a good idea to unsettle him at this point of his career.

Mushfiq? I don't think he has the reflex required to be an opener. Plus his slow scoring will create pressure on Tamim to score at faster rates (the JO effect).

Shaan
June 30, 2008, 02:21 AM
To me Aftab is a batsman with limited shots, we just think he is great because of that Cardiff winning six, apart from that he looks very ordinary(nothing close to Ash. Even Tamim, Alok, Mushfique those are far miles away from him technique wise. Alok had already shown us in the last match that what is call slogs and how to play those huge shots without ura-dura bating), when Aftab take shots it is always looks like he doesn't know what he is doing and go for ura-dura shots as seems like he wants to show off and then give away his wicket. Still I'm not convince with his bating. technique wise. Let him also perform and prove that he deserves his place, thats all. We don't need sloger we need batsman who can settle in the middle and can punish bad ball with ease and makes valuable runs for the team, in that away our team can benefit whether its Alok, Ash, Aftab, or any other.

Shaan
June 30, 2008, 02:37 AM
I don't think one century has cemented Kapali's position in the team as a batsman. He is still a " bits and pieces player" (according to your denition) who can bat a bit and bowl a bit. Let him perform consistently and earn his place in the team. I would be very happy if he can do that and become a permanent fixture for the next few years. Good for Kapali and good for Bangladesh.

If Kapali can't maintain his consistency, which he failed to do over the years, he will be easily replaced by Mahmudullah Riayd who is more assuring in both batting and bowling.

We don't think anyone cemented his position in the team, the one perform better the one deserve to be there, there is no permanent place for anyone. So Alok shouldn't be one to point finger over and over on. Just lets make it clear the way he plays those shots and games I still never ever imagined in my entire life that we Bangladeshi can play in such style all over the ground, and those huge sixes and fours all corner of the field thats you dream once for many many years. But that doesn't make Alok The GOd of Bd cricket, its just show the class of a man as all we say: from is temporary but class is permanent.

TO me every single players in team needs to perform consistently, every single one should come under the sharp knife of criticism whenever they fail to perform. Not just the bad habit of joto dosh NOndo gosh. Just the guy scored a century with a fashion and you already declared to switch him if he doesn't preform next. This if with unpredictable future can be anyone but isn't this comment you made became too pessimistic that hell that century was a fluke, it can be fluke as we are living with the flukes. But We should wish more those flukes(concerning all bd Players) become habits instead of just pessimistic towards someone.

Only1raz
June 30, 2008, 03:40 AM
1 Tamim Iqbal
2 Junaid Siddique/Shahriar Nafees
3 Mohammad Ashraful
4 Raqibul Hasan
5 Shakib Al Hasan
6 Aftab Ahmed/Naeem Islam/Alok Kapali
7 Mahmudullah Riyad/Farhad Reza
8 Mushfiqur Rahim/Dhiman Ghosh
9 Mashrafe Mortaza
10 Abdur Razzak
11 Syed Rasel/Shahadat Hossain/Rubel Hossain

Imtiaz
June 30, 2008, 04:00 PM
I had also thought Aftab can be given the opening slot. Particularly, since Tamim has become a good boy !

My only reservation was and is that the demons with him will not go away. Therefore, I slotted him at No.6.

However, he can be given the 007 licence. Even if he came good 1 in 4 times, the game could be half won already. When Afridi used to open , any time he succeeded, Pakistan effectively won the match then and there. Just like Jayasurya.

Maybe then , another option:

Tamim
Aftab
Ashraful - I will keep him here. Give him time to build an innings
Raquibul - He has cemented his place
Sakib
Alok
Mushfiq
Mashrafe
Razzak
Shahadat
Rasel

I would keep Farhad and Nazimuddin as 2 of my 3 reserves.

Eshen
June 30, 2008, 07:17 PM
Tamim
Aftab
Ashraful - I will keep him here. Give him time to build an innings
Raquibul - He has cemented his place
Sakib
Alok
Mushfiq
Mashrafe
Razzak
Shahadat
Rasel
That's my team too. However, I am becoming doubtful if Shahadat can keep his place in the ODI team if the management decide to bring back Rasel. Farhad is giving a good fight to retain his place in the team as the third pacer.

AsifTheManRahman
June 30, 2008, 10:02 PM
i dont understand why some people are still keen to have aftab back
he is by far one the crappiest "batsman" with one or two lucky clean hits
he can only come back, once he does something extra ordinary, either in the A team or domestic leagues..other wise a big no no to him

I don't see a place for him in the XI either. But if we really need someone to carry drinks...

Foozy
June 30, 2008, 11:07 PM
putting down aftab as a opener or putting down aftab in 6th or 7th down is not a good solution at all........like his earlier days he could hit sixes and fours easily, but the from 2007, when he tries to play shots from the crease he gets caught to the slip/midwicket............he have played more than 50 odis, still doesn't get a century, lack of patience causes it......

here is my best 11:

Tamim
SN/Nazim/Junayed( we need another good opener like tamim, but we have only 3 openers)
Ashraful
Rakibul
Sakib
Alok
Mushfique
Riyad/Forhad(depends upon the pitch)
Razzak
Mashrafee
Rasel

good post and i like your team!

scoilaheez
July 1, 2008, 12:50 AM
Only thing i request is to drop reza for another seamer such as rasel, if not then play only 2 seamers. There is no point playing a meium pace all rounder if he doesnt deserve the spot. Keep Rakibul at 4, bring in Aftab and Sakib. Interesting to see our next team, we have found a few more players and so there is squeeze for spots

Gowza
July 1, 2008, 01:03 AM
the best thing for the bowling is bring back rasel and have shahadat and reza fight for the 1st change position. shahadat just isn't cutting it as an opener and it's not a position for reza either, other than rasel the only other option atm would be sajidul although robin seems to be doing well so maybe he could be considered. but rasel should be the first choice.

if you look at reza and shahadat's bowling stats against the big teams, reza is a bit better than shahadat, although overall shahadat has a better record than reza.

Eshen
July 1, 2008, 01:12 AM
I find it surprising that Farhad has much better average and strike rate (46 and 44.3) against elite teams than Shahadat does (61.5 & 57).

Gowza
July 1, 2008, 01:22 AM
I find it surprising that Farhad has much better average and strike rate (46 and 44.3) against elite teams than Shahadat does (61.5 & 57).

no doubt, it surprised me when i first found that out as well. shahadat at his best is more dangerous than reza but you can't just go on potential and how they are at they're best (unless they're always at their best), performance has to come into it as well.

israr
July 1, 2008, 05:31 AM
A team should be such that is capable under all circumstances. Champion teams have a batting line-up that is capable of chasing any gargantuan scores, and bowling line-up that can defend even paltry scores. At the moment, we haven't got the best combination just yet. By the end of the year, I guess we'll be in a better position to decide, as we still have to see how Aftab, Sakib shall fit it, and I think we should also try out our different fast bowling options like Rubel Hossain. At the moment, its too limited.

SS
July 1, 2008, 08:09 AM
Is it impossible to bring back Rasel from England to join the team or it's against cricket law that a new player can not be added after the squad is announced. Can any pacers have Diarrhea so that Rasel can be brought as an emergency substitute. he might not take wickets but atleast will save some runs.

Tigers_eye
July 1, 2008, 09:44 AM
Ash as a opener is a very bad idea untill he can start having innings 35+ consistantly. he had been tested there several times. He is already having too much responsibility. Demanding more will only crush him. 1st down is fine.

SN, Junaid, Imrul, Sadat, N Iqbal: all should be in the running for that opening slot. May be Junaid for test, and hoping Sadat for ODIs. Sadat can give you 4/5 overs of SLA also. That takes care of the subcontinental slow pitches 6th/7th bowler. One must take that in to account.

I understand he still has a good two years to make the team.

Imtiaz
July 1, 2008, 10:54 AM
[quote=Eshen;709030]I find it surprising that Farhad has much better average and strike rate (46 and 44.3) against elite teams than Shahadat does (61.5 & 57)./quote]

Farhad has his limitations like anyone else, but I did notice yesterday that he does use his brain. He deliberately changed his bowling to yorker length [ of course, some became full tosses ], outside the off stump.

The Sri Lankans found it difficult to clobber. A bit different from our usual diet of the short stuff or even, length balls which in the death overs can be very expensive as you can get underneath the delivery.

Foozy
July 1, 2008, 11:06 AM
To me Aftab is a batsman with limited shots, we just think he is great because of that Cardiff winning six, apart from that he looks very ordinary(nothing close to Ash. Even Tamim, Alok, Mushfique those are far miles away from him technique wise. Alok had already shown us in the last match that what is call slogs and how to play those huge shots without ura-dura bating), when Aftab take shots it is always looks like he doesn't know what he is doing and go for ura-dura shots as seems like he wants to show off and then give away his wicket. Still I'm not convince with his bating. technique wise. Let him also perform and prove that he deserves his place, thats all. We don't need sloger we need batsman who can settle in the middle and can punish bad ball with ease and makes valuable runs for the team, in that away our team can benefit whether its Alok, Ash, Aftab, or any other.

I totally agree with you. Too many people take Ash and Aftab to be in the same catagory when in reality the two are nothing like each other.

Beamer
July 1, 2008, 12:00 PM
6 specialist batsmen, wkt keeper, 4 specialist bowler. We win or lose with that. Among the 6 batsmen, its an added bonus that two are also bowlers. Also, I feel that Aftab can't be ignored in ODI's. Since he is more comfortable against pacers and PP overs, I would rather see him open. He can be a no.6, but his discomfort with spin bowling is visible, and since no.3 is not an option anymore, he gets to open. Good start is very important in ODI's. Let Zunaid play and develop as a starter for tests, for now. SN, I am afraid, is running himself out the one day squad. Aftab would not fare worse than SN. He is a quality fielder, something SN is not, and can provide 2-3 overs of bowling from time to time. Nazim vs Aftab ? No case there. Aftab wins every time.
1 Tamim 2 Aftab 3 Ash 4 Rak 5 Sak ( bowling ) 6 Alex ( few overs bowling ) 7 Rahim 8 Mash 9 Raj 10 Rasel 11 Rajib/ any other specialist bowler/ or a combination of Riyad-Farhad-Mosharaf.

Win or lose with this team. Stay with them for a while.

rattlehead
July 1, 2008, 12:15 PM
6 specialist batsmen, wkt keeper, 4 specialist bowler. We win or lose with that. Among the 6 batsmen, its an added bonus that two are also bowlers. Also, I feel that Aftab can't be ignored in ODI's. Since he is more comfortable against pacers and PP overs, I would rather see him open. He can be a no.6, but his discomfort with spin bowling is visible, and since no.3 is not an option anymore, he gets to open. Good start is very important in ODI's. Let Zunaid play and develop as a starter for tests, for now. SN, I am afraid, is running himself out the one day squad. Aftab would not fare worse than SN. He is a quality fielder, something SN is not, and can provide 2-3 overs of bowling from time to time. Nazim vs Aftab ? No case there. Aftab wins every time.
1 Tamim 2 Aftab 3 Ash 4 Rak 5 Sak ( bowling ) 6 Alex ( few overs bowling ) 7 Rahim 8 Mash 9 Raj 10 Rasel 11 Rajib/ any other specialist bowler/ or a combination of Riyad-Farhad-Mosharaf.

Win or lose with this team. Stay with them for a while.

even though im very much an anti-aftab, our opening combo has given us enough problems, and im very much looking forward to this tamim-aftab combo. with that and the rest of the line-up u mentioned we have an excellent team.

banglacricpagol
July 1, 2008, 01:04 PM
No point in trying to choose teams that will win matches. we have TEAM RULE goin on -which means JS will choose a team which can loose by 200+ runs or 8 wickets as long as they score 240. i dont understand why this Siddon guy is not pressing for win at all cost.

Sadz
July 1, 2008, 01:59 PM
Exactly, the way he is going it tells me we shouldn't even play against them. Does anyone know if he specifically said we should target 240 or did he say that was minimum

SS
July 1, 2008, 02:47 PM
tamim-aftab combo. with that and the rest of the line-up u mentioned we have an excellent team.

Imagine if these two are in forms and aftab admits his mistakes (of saying he did ok to score 50 something runs in 5 innings).....the team rule will change to 280....we will hit all over the parks...two 50s will get 100 runs withing 12 overs and powerplays...Ash,Rakibul will make it 180 in 30 overs..Mami, Mamu, Go'Boy will take it to 250 and beyond in 40 overs. And t he last ten overs will be jaru hitting of Raj, Farhad/Riyad to take the team total to 280...Ahara kobe je shopnota shotti hobe

Tamim,Aftab, Ash,Rakibul, Aloukik Alex, Sakib, Mushfiq, better Mash, better Rajib,Raj, better Rasel, better utility Farhad/Riyad. The reason better is added because at current form our bowlers are not doing the justice to our once renowned bowling department.

Dhakablues
July 1, 2008, 03:26 PM
I don't think the century has cemented his place either. But it does show his ability to build a long innings...and more importantly , his uncanny ability to accelerate effortlessly. Dare I say, it might have been just as good as ash at cardiff. You cannot just drop him now even if he gets ducks in the next two matches...coz u know he can come back. Plus with his significantly greater experience of first class and international matches, don't u think he is way ahead of Riad. He's a genuine leggie who can take wickets . He's got all the shots , plus a brain. And I'm sure he'll try to score every match, and you know it.

Rightly said. I have to agree that Alok is atleast an experienced player than Riad. However, Riad is an offie,, which we are in bad need. Hence, I think its a good problem to have when Sakib comes back.. because I like both,, but Alok has my vote for his proven ability,, Riad still has lot to prove to be in a national team ( then again,, it doesnt take much to be in Bangladesh team anyways,,what.. U19 player and some good shots, thats it, right? )

Dhakablues
July 1, 2008, 03:34 PM
even though im very much an anti-aftab, our opening combo has given us enough problems, and im very much looking forward to this tamim-aftab combo. with that and the rest of the line-up u mentioned we have an excellent team.

The problem with Aftab is never his skills but his mind. He is a boom boom player for a reason,, playing the same on-side shots twice/thrice in a row. He doesnt know how to score on the off-side. He will always score his second shot like his first shot if he gets a boundary of the latter. He is always hitting the ball on the air than ground shots,,and will go after every friggin ball.. Even a regular joe like me figured him out,, and so has the other cricketing brain of Dhaka league. Hence, opening with Aftab is only an option when we know for fact that we dont have any other openers left in Bangladesh team. Between Nazim/Nafees/Nafis/Junaed,, there is someone who will get their acts together.. Heck, even Tamim's inclusion was a wild-card, and look at him now..I dont think Aftab would be a good option because even a coach like Watmore couldnt fix him and demoted him out of the test squad because of his arrogance and inability to learn from his mistakes. Drop him and let him come back with performances like Ashraful/Alok.. He is a good player for T20 or T10 but not for any matches where we expect him to be around for more than 10 overs. Sorry,, on wild imganination,, Aftab-Tamim wouldnve been the Sangakkara/Jayasuriya combo but in reality it would be a combination of two chittagongians fighting over who could boom the most.... and the boom-boom one will win over that dungeon battle which would result in losing 2 wickets in the first 10 overs against quality teams... Not that its not happening now but with Aftab opening,, we might as well think of ourselves as 10 players team

SS
July 1, 2008, 04:26 PM
Dhakablues pointed out an interesting observation of Aftab's personality. He was not a test material not even an ODI few years back. But his continuous mistakes put the team in backward right from the beginning. Though there were slight glimpse of sensible play few matches back, but still he threw away his wicket. For some reason, Aftab and Ashraful both are similar type and imagine if these two are gone our whole batting will fail. We had two of our main batsmen constantly making mistakes and throwing away their wickets, resulted huge pressure on other batsmen who are equally not upto the standard. As a result, we failed as a team.
New ODI team should consist of players who can contribute, we should not depend only on Ash, Aftab's innings rather all 6 batsmen should contribute for the team.

al Furqaan
July 1, 2008, 04:53 PM
Dhakablues pointed out an interesting observation of Aftab's personality. He was not a test material not even an ODI few years back. But his continuous mistakes put the team in backward right from the beginning. Though there were slight glimpse of sensible play few matches back, but still he threw away his wicket. For some reason, Aftab and Ashraful both are similar type and imagine if these two are gone our whole batting will fail. We had two of our main batsmen constantly making mistakes and throwing away their wickets, resulted huge pressure on other batsmen who are equally not upto the standard. As a result, we failed as a team.
New ODI team should consist of players who can contribute, we should not depend only on Ash, Aftab's innings rather all 6 batsmen should contribute for the team.

i have reached the conclusion that in the immediate present and future, ashraful and aftab are both indespensible and irrelevant. its quite the paradox.

both have amazing batting "talent" and can single handedly turn a match on its heels like none other in BD and few others in the world. however, neither is responsible enough to do it consistently.

thus i feel that they should be kept in the lineup as "bonus batsmen". that is, if ash and aftab click it will be a bonus. if they score a quickfire 20-30 runs, that is expected (ashraful is getting very good at scoring run a ball 20s nowadays) and eases the pressure a bit on the other 4 batters. tamim, raqib, and sakib will be the crux of the batting, the guys expected to score 50 everytime they come to crease and hopefully some bigger innings. add in alok, plus riyad, mash, and razzak can make a pretty decent tail, to hopefully take us to 250-280 scores with some degree of regularity.

ash and aftab seem to be irrelevent until they can translate their other worldly talent into world class batting.

all in all, i am very optimistic, though a bit disappointed/pessimistic about ashraful and aftab.

but as long as the team improves, there are no worries.

bangladesh zindabad!

:flag:

BagherBacha
July 1, 2008, 05:25 PM
ODI lineup should be foloowing

1.Tamim
2. Aftab (He cant play spin, so number 6 out of the question)
3.Ash
4.Rakib
5.Sakib
6.Alok ( If Riad play, he will swap position with mushfique)
7.Mushfique
8.Razzak
9.mash
10.Shahadat
11.Rasel

Forhad
Riad
Nazimuddin
Musharraf Rubel

BagherBacha
July 1, 2008, 05:27 PM
I really hope and pray Siddons understands the need of Rasel, and bring him back into the team. Otherwise, fans should go into hunger strike.

BagherBacha
July 1, 2008, 05:32 PM
Whatmore runined Manjurul Islam's (pacer) career. I hope siddons doesn't ruin Rasel's.. Rasel's fitness would be perfect after Ireland and england tour. Is Rasel touring England as well?

BagherBacha
July 1, 2008, 05:42 PM
BD needs to nurture Naeem Islam and Imrul carefully. Imrul can bowl little bit off-spin I think

Gowza
July 1, 2008, 08:32 PM
BD needs to nurture Naeem Islam and Imrul carefully. Imrul can bowl little bit off-spin I think

junaid should be in that group as well as well as players like shuvo, rubel hossain, subashis roy, sajidul, dolar, nasir hossain, marshall ayub etc. there are quite a lot who should be nurtured really, the only players who shouldn't be nurtured should be the ones who aren't picked up early as talents and who aren't expected to really be international prospects and thusly won't be in an environment to be nutured. there's always a couple of players who make it on their own and obviously when they aren't picked as a talent then they're not going to be in a position to be nurtured, but anyone picked as a talent should be around the good coaches and the good teams and in that environment they should all be nurtured.

Sohel
July 1, 2008, 08:44 PM
Here's my core group of 22 players: -

I) Openers (1-2): Tamim, Zunaed, Nafees Iqbal and Imrul Kayes.

II) Top Order (3-4): Ashraful, Aftab, Raquibul and S Nafees.

III) Middle Order (5-6): Shakib, Alok, Riyad, Rahim and Nayeem Islam.

IV) Lower Order (7-8, the shackles must come off): Farhad and Dhiman (WK).

V) Bowlers (9,10-11): Mashrafe, Razzak, Shahadat, Rasel, Talha, Mosharraf Rubel, and Shaju Datta.

Keep these guys together, have the best performers start, and once they do start, give them a good number of matches to prove themselves.

Rifat
July 1, 2008, 09:22 PM
here is mine:

(ODI, TEST, T20 combined)

Opening Prospects:

Tamim Iqbal, Shahriar Nafees, Imrul Kayes, Mushfiqur Rahim, Aftab Ahmed, Junaed Siddique(i don't see him as a superstar only because none of his stats are above 30!(T20 doesn't count in my dictionary), but i do agree he has good technique, just needs correct guidance and he will do well inshallah)

Top Middle Order Prospects:

Rakibul Hasan, Mohammad Ashraful, Shakib-AL-hasan, Naeem Islam, Marshall Ayub(he is pretty good, look at his stats), Alok Kapali, Mohammad Nazimuddin(trying it out as an opener was not a very smart idea{i still have faith that this gut will do awesome for Bangladesh in the longer version of the game, for ODI? with a 23 average? booo, no wonder he fails!(first class he has a 36+ average:D)}

Lower Middle Order Prospects:

Farhad Reza, Mahmudullah Riyad, Dhiman Ghosh, Abdur Razzak, Mashrafee Mortaza, Tapash Baisya(he was a great fighter with both bat and ball), Mohammad Rafique(he is not done yet :D)

Absolute Lower order(nothing expected from bat except singles:D) Prospects:
Shahadat Hossain, Syed Rasel, Arafat Sunny(Very, Very good spinner), Enamul Haque jr., Mohammad Shahzada(underrated bowler)

this is my 25 man squad to use for all formats of the game from present-2009!

shamster
July 4, 2008, 02:39 PM
We badly missed Shakib and Aftab, their relativly better batting, bowling option, and fielding as well. Nazimuddin not taking his chances, on these flat pitches pace bowlers get nothing

nsd3
July 4, 2008, 09:53 PM
Tamim, SN (not sure though!), Ashraful, Rakibul, Shakib, Aftab, Alok, Mushfiq, Mashrafi, Razzak, Rajib.

Players to compete: Zunaed, Riyad, Nazmul.

sbsash
July 7, 2008, 05:02 PM
I think they should try Aftab,Mushfiq and Alok as opener.