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Bancan
July 23, 2008, 11:24 PM
So instead of opening a new thread everytime something significant happens in the tennis world, I guess we can post here. Well its really upto you guys though. Anyway heres whats up in Toronto.

Roddick, Nadal, Djokovich all through to the third round in Toronto. But guess what, Roger Federer gone. Beat by some french dude. 6-2,5-7,4-6. Really whats up with Roger.
I was thinking I could watch him play Roddick at some stage. He was the favorite to win the Rogers cup but i guess not his year.

So Roddick will manage to lose early again in the Rogers cup and Nadal and Djokovich will play in the final. My predictions.

Tigers_eye
July 24, 2008, 08:57 AM
Come on Roddick this is your chance. This is in hard court, right?

Bancan
July 24, 2008, 12:22 PM
Ya its hard court. Well guess what hes down a break in the first set. 2-1 against Cilic. But has a chance to break back now. He breaks back. 2-2

Shehwar
July 24, 2008, 12:29 PM
Giles Simon has been consistently playing some good tennis...But still Rojer shud have really won that match...He was twice a break up on the final set...Anyways....Roddick shud come through Cilic....right now 3-2 and back on serve...Im waiting for Blake v Tursunov tonite.....LETS GO BLAKE!..btw any of u read his book?

Bancan
July 24, 2008, 12:35 PM
Cilic broke Roddick again.

Bancan
July 24, 2008, 12:48 PM
Roddick lost the first set. 6-4.

Bancan
July 24, 2008, 12:55 PM
He's down again. Cilic broke him again.

Bancan
July 24, 2008, 01:01 PM
Commentators dont really like Roddick. I noticed this in other tournaments as well.

Anyway, he gonna lose this match. So Really how is he a top ten player when he constantly loses in the early rounds. Learn a new trick man. I love his serve but really learn a new trick.
He's really frustrated. He yelled out "I suck so bad" and crowd responded "No you dont, you're just frustrated"

Another break point for Cilic.

Ishtylish cricketer
July 24, 2008, 01:35 PM
Is this the end of "Roger domination" era of tennis? What about Tiger Woods, would he be back to his best after his knee surgery?

Tigers_eye
July 24, 2008, 02:36 PM
Is this the end of "Roger domination" era of tennis? What about Tiger Woods, would he be back to his best after his knee surgery?
Both will be back. Tiger will get his 18 and some, Roger will get his 12 and some. Tiger has age on his side. Roger does not. That's the difference.

Doctor's say Tiger will be able to hit shots in similar fashion with out any pain. His come back time is more dependant on the rehab. Jack was lucky not to be seriously injured in his career.

Shehwar
July 24, 2008, 03:42 PM
Rain break again! Why does it always have to rain when Blake is winning??? This sucks!

Bancan
July 24, 2008, 08:30 PM
So Roddick got back in the second set and won it 6-4. But lose the match when he lost the third set 4-6.

Arnab
July 24, 2008, 08:49 PM
Both will be back. Tiger will get his 18 and some, Roger will get his 12 and some. Tiger has age on his side. Roger does not. That's the difference.

Doctor's say Tiger will be able to hit shots in similar fashion with out any pain. His come back time is more dependant on the rehab. Jack was lucky not to be seriously injured in his career.

Tiger Woods doesn't play a athletically taxing sport, so the comparison with Federer or any other tennis champion is misplaced.

As far as achievements, one major in tennis is worth probably two in Golf, when one considers average career span and the comparative achievements of the greatest players in each sport (well, golf isn't a sport), eg, Sampras (14 in 15 years) and Nicklaus (18 in 25 years).

Tigers_eye
July 25, 2008, 09:02 AM
Tiger Woods doesn't play a athletically taxing sport, so the comparison with Federer or any other tennis champion is misplaced.

As far as achievements, one major in tennis is worth probably two in Golf, when one considers average career span and the comparative achievements of the greatest players in each sport (well, golf isn't a sport), eg, Sampras (14 in 15 years) and Nicklaus (18 in 25 years).
Get a life Arnab. Don't talk that you have no knowledge about. Jack was an exception. Go find out who is second not including Tiger. It is thousand time harder to win two/three tournaments back to back in golf. Not talking about majors even. Even for Sampras - Jack comparison, winning 14 in 15 years and 18 in 25+ years which one is harder?

There was a question asked about Tiger in Tennis thread. I answered.

Tennis has less career time for being in the peek. Physical fitness matters to compete with the younger faster players. However, on a person's peek, one can dominate the circuit. In golf, no one can dominate (except Tiger). There is no arrogance in Golf. You not only play against players but you also play against the course and weather. The unpredictability makes the game so much harder than any sports. Go talk to your Cricket gurus. They will tell you which one is harder Golf or Cricket.

Anyone can hit a ball in Tennis for the first time picking up racket. Not that easy in golf. Try it, you may come to LOVE the game.

Bancan
July 26, 2008, 10:37 PM
Andy Murray really improved a lot. Even though he lost the match, he played better than Nadal. Amazing match. Great rallies, great passing shots, amazing power from both players. Murray played really good. I am impressed. Nadal worked his *** off to earn the points. Murray is a hard worker, getting really good. I never really liked him before but after wimbledon and tonight I am changing my mind.

Arnab
July 27, 2008, 04:36 AM
Jack was an exception. Go find out who is second not including Tiger.

I don't care?

It is thousand time harder to win two/three tournaments back to back in golf.
Harder than what? How many tennis players win 2/3 b2b tournaments? Very, very few.

Not talking about majors even.

? Majors aren't played b2b, so not sure what your point is.

Even for Sampras - Jack comparison, winning 14 in 15 years and 18 in 25+ years which one is harder?Less frequent != harder. A tennis player has to run and work his *** off to stay fit for 15 years. One bad injury and he is gone. Agassi took regular cortisone injections in his *** to stay match fit when he went over 30.

Tennis has less career time for being in the peek. Physical fitness matters to compete with the younger faster players.

Exactly, and this is why tennis is harder.

However, on a person's peek, one can dominate the circuit.

Barring Federer, I cannot see anyone who can be said to have dominated the circuit for more than 2 years.

In golf, no one can dominate (except Tiger).

So Tiger is an exception?

There is no arrogance in Golf.

None in tennis or any other sport. Golf isn't special.

You not only play against players but you also play against the course and weather.

Wrong. In golf, you play against the course. Nothing your opponent does can harm your own progress. You are on your own. In tennis, you play as good as your opponent lets you. Big difference.

The unpredictability makes the game so much harder than any sports.

Um, no. Golf is not even a sport, let alone harder than other sports.

Go talk to your Cricket gurus. They will tell you which one is harder Golf or Cricket.

Cricket is a team sport, cannot really compare that to Golf, which isn't a sport to begin with.

Anyone can hit a ball in Tennis for the first time picking up racket. Not that easy in golf. Try it, you may come to LOVE the game.I am pretty sure I can play Golf very well if I wanted to. However, tennis is much, much harder and athletically demanding than Golf.

Golf is like shooting free throws in a big, windy, sticky basketball court from different standing positions and see who makes the shot in the least number of attempts. It's a sissy game. No reflex, no maneuvering, no opponents, no pushing, no huffing, no puffing, no running, no passing, no dribbling, no offense, no defense, no sweat, no timeclock, absolutely nothing exciting is involved. It's a cute game with a lot of unnecessary money involved.

Tigers_eye
July 27, 2008, 10:43 AM
Wrong. In golf, you play against the course. Nothing your opponent does can harm your own progress. You are on your own. In tennis, you play as good as your opponent lets you. Big difference.
Arnab "Little knowledge is Dangerous"!!

Other players aggressiveness or passive approach can dictate on how one would play the course.

As I said, ja janen na sheta niya kotha bola thik na. Go play few rounds first.

thebest
July 27, 2008, 12:51 PM
For the first time, I am on Arnab's side, TE. Golf is not a sport. If golf is a sport then Monopoly is a sport.

Arnab
July 27, 2008, 01:33 PM
Arnab "Little knowledge is Dangerous"!!

Other players aggressiveness or passive approach can dictate on how one would play the course.

You mean like in Billiard or Caromboard? If the other guy is cleaning the table, you become more alert and try to make less mistakes? I mean there's no athletic need or time constraint, is there? In golf, if your opponent is playing better, do you run faster, hit the ball harder, hit more reflex shots, steal the ball from him, deny him the advantage by pushing his ball into a bunker, race against time to get to the hole quicker? Where's the athletic demand? Where's the time pressure? There's none.

Why? Because Golf was created and designed as a relaxed game for the filthy rich white guys. Golf is time to relax and have little business talks.

Tiger Woods swoops in as the only athletic black guy who takes it as a serious sport and suddenly he is a superstar in a game that demands just about nothing in terms of athleticism or time constraint when compared to other real sports. The American media goes gaga because

a) he's visibly a black man in a white man's game. which means he makes a nice story. Tiger is totally white inside, though. That's why he married some blonde blue-eyed girl from Scandinavia.

b) well, he is American! Americans love to show off any American athlete dominating any sport. Remember how Lance Armstrong was the rage a few years back? Now that he is gone, do you hear a peep about Tour de France in American media? I am pretty sure you don't. Who won the Tour de France yesterday? Tell us without looking it up.

c) of course, Tiger's success is outstanding by any margin. That alone should put him in the spotlight. But he is getting way too much attention because of reasons a and b.

and

d) golf is the winner. Tiger makes a good role model to export the sport worldwide. which means more business, and business is always good.

That's my take on this.

Tigers_eye
July 28, 2008, 10:36 AM
You mean like in Billiard or Caromboard?
No, when someone has piled up 300+ runs, then the top order (batting second) must attack to keep the RRR down.
I mean there's no athletic need or time constraint, is there? In golf, if your opponent is playing better, do you run faster, hit the ball harder, hit more reflex shots, steal the ball from him, deny him the advantage by pushing his ball into a bunker, race against time to get to the hole quicker? Where's the athletic demand? Where's the time pressure? There's none.
The more you post the more ignorant you sound. There is a time constraint for every one playing professional tournament. Go read the rule books. Players are warned and penalized if then can't finish holes in given time. Penalty can come in form of fines or strokes. Just like 50 over match must be played within certain amount of time.

Attacking the course or playing passively is two distinct approach in golf. You can lay up or you can try to hit the pin. Depending on the weather and what other players have done before you may dictate your approach. Aggressively trying to get a birdie may cost a player more. May end up boggie or a double or more if water, trees, sand traps or hazards come in to play. Where as laying up would not reward the player but would be a safe approach but can cost one the tournament.

If I have time next time I visit BD, I will drag you to a golf course inshallah.

Tigers_eye
July 28, 2008, 11:06 AM
Sorry Bancan, I will not differ from the topic anymore.

Arnab
July 28, 2008, 12:59 PM
If I have time next time I visit BD, I will drag you to a golf course inshallah.

Whatever in this thread has given you the slightest of indications that I like Golf?

I think it's quite possibly the dumbest sport ever. As I said in another thread, when I am white, 50+, rich and have tons of time to kill, I will give golf a try.

Arnab
July 28, 2008, 01:16 PM
No, when someone has piled up 300+ runs, then the top order (batting second) must attack to keep the RRR down.

Bad analogy. Do golfers have to face bouncers directed at the body, run and dive for their lives in between the wickets to keep the scoreboard ticking, make back to back to back sixes when necessary against 90 mph deliveries? No. There is no such rush, or any kind of athletic demand whatsoever.

The more you post the more ignorant you sound. There is a time constraint for every one playing professional tournament. In Professional Billiard people can ask for a shotclock counting 45 seconds per shot. They actually show the shotclock to everybody, so the player is visibly under a time constraint. There is NO such thing in golf. Golf is actually sissier than Billiard in this regard.

Read this: http://golf.about.com/cs/rulesofgolf/a/rulefaq_time.htm

In a nutshell, it says there is no time constraint in official golf rules. Whether a penalty should be given for playing unduly slowly totally depends on the tournament organizers.

No parallel to cricket, where the rules are strict, set by the ICC and have to be followed by all tournament organizers.

Tigers_eye
July 28, 2008, 01:39 PM
Whatever in this thread has given you the slightest of indications that I like Golf?

You don't have to like golf. Bainda niya jamu. Dorkar hoiley gun point'a. Dui-char ta Rab kono bapar na.

++++

Nadal won the Rogers cup. Now to Cinci. Federer is little unease with the 29th winning streak he has produced. A Quarterfinal exit for Federer and nadal winning this tournament will give him the #1 spot as early as fortnight. The difference in point is down to 300 now. :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/rankings;_ylt=Ang9k6HSA5xaCMWMsyC_K7ikurkF

Bancan
July 28, 2008, 02:04 PM
Sorry Bancan, I will not differ from the topic anymore.

It's alright. Atleast the posts keep increasing. :D

Btw, the Canadian Open( Rogers Cup) is not done yet. The ladies are competing in Montreal starting today i beleive.

Ishtylish cricketer
July 28, 2008, 07:45 PM
I have the utmost respect for Tiger Woods. Indeed golf is not a sports in the traditional sense of the word however, it is the only game/sports where the only defense you can exercise against your opposition is your own score. Tennis and Golf are two very different sport requiring different skill sets to be successful. It's impossible to cross compare sports majors and argue which is harder to win or which major is equivalent to how many major in other sports. Hard to standardize these things. I enjoy both Tennis and golf and take them for what they are worth. Hitting a one handed backhand winner is just as tough as becoming a good putter... To all those who don't golf is a sport or think it's easy just play a few holes, you will gain a vast amount of appreciation for the PGA pros.

I recently played couple of times with my uncle at a course with mostly par 4s and let me tell you unless you can putt, your other shots mean nothing. I can hit straightish tee shot with a wood most times, I am better with the clubs minus the spin but my short game is absolutely dreadful. I felt as though my score didn't reflect how well I played. I really need some lessons but can't afford it right now.

Golf may not be very "attractive" to watch but it's a very challenging sport. Like that golf commercial says "These guys are good".

Bancan
July 29, 2008, 06:12 PM
Roger came back from the brink of losing in the opening round in Cincinnati. He needs to get his head straight before the US Open.

cricman
July 29, 2008, 10:43 PM
federer always struggles in cincy reallly fast courts ... much faster than the ones in the us open ... it'll take a few days to get the timing right. Nadal could struggle, roddick performs here

Bancan
July 29, 2008, 11:02 PM
Nowadays Roddick dont really perform anywhere hes suppose to. Anyways he out due to injury.

http://www.cincytennis.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1371.asp

cricman
July 31, 2008, 03:47 PM
Ivo was serving like a madman ... nothing Fed could do about that but he got real tight in the 3rd set breaker. Congrats to Dr. Ivo

Bancan
July 31, 2008, 04:25 PM
Cant beleive we will have a new number 1. Who was the last number one before Roger? Roddick?

reverse_swing
July 31, 2008, 08:53 PM
The loss of top spot would surely be hard for Federer to take. He has been the world No 1 for 235 consecutive weeks, since February 2, 2004.Now he could compete in China as the second seed.:(

Tigers_eye
August 1, 2008, 04:06 PM
First ever win for the Doc against FedEx in any surface.

lalalala lalalala hey hey hey Goodbye!! :wave:
lalalala lalalala hey hey hey Goodbye!! :wave:
Nadal needs to get to the finals first. :)

Bancan
August 1, 2008, 10:40 PM
First ever win for the Doc against FedEx in any surface.

lalalala lalalala hey hey hey Goodbye!! :wave:
lalalala lalalala hey hey hey Goodbye!! :wave:
Nadal needs to get to the finals first. :)

Do you actually like Nadal more than Federer? Both are really humble. Nadal comes off very arrogant and cocky to me even though he is the complete opposite.
I wont bother with these two....Lets go Roddick.

Btw who was the last number one before Roger?

cricman
August 1, 2008, 11:38 PM
Do you actually like Nadal more than Federer? Both are really humble. Nadal comes off very arrogant and cocky to me even though he is the complete opposite.
I wont bother with these two....Lets go Roddick.

Btw who was the last number one before Roger?

Roddick was for a Brief time, btw were Sampras Stans or I am anyway thing that denies Fed from getting GS #13-15 and helps Pete Stay #1 GOAT discussions. Nadal will soon enter those discussions as well.

So I root for anyone against Fed (Who Still is a Great Player and one GOATS of the sport), I'll soon root against Nadal call him a Green and Red Clay Specialist, who'll never win get the Career Grand Slam.

EDIT: Just watch now that i've typed this he'll do Nadal Slam and win the USO and AO

cricman
August 2, 2008, 12:03 AM
BTW: This Demise of Federer is greatly exaggerated, he feels more pressure now than he used to thats about it and if he makes 1 forehand he wins in Straights, and Ivo is tough match for anyone

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Bancan
August 2, 2008, 12:12 AM
I wouldnt call it a demise either. The guy made the finals of the last 2 majors. So ya its not like he has lost it completely. He will win the US ( hopefully not and Roddick wins :D). Roger set such a high standard that people are just amazed that he hasnt won a major this year. Also Nadal's popularity in the media has increased a lot. So the media is focusing more on Nadal.

cricman
August 2, 2008, 08:48 PM
Novak gave Rafa a Beatdown, He's the best HC player in world ... He's going to Avenge last years choke in the USO finals and win it, Nadal HC game is below par I don't know how he hangs with Fed on HC with those loopy Forehands but the other players with the big Forehands always give him real trouble.

Bancan
August 2, 2008, 11:09 PM
What about Murray. Kids getting really good. He really worked hard.

Safina vs someone in Rogers cup final in Montreal.

Miraz
August 3, 2008, 02:45 PM
Murray is playing excellent tennis, failed to convert one break point, but the way he is playing I am sure more break points will come.

cricman
August 3, 2008, 04:50 PM
Very Good Stuff from Murray, Caught most of the 2nd Set ... Joker was acting all Senile or something, doing his best Safin impersonation. Some Really good Points from both of them those Doubles gave Joker some Confidence to comeback that 4-4 Tiebreak point was crazy, Hopefully this leads to better things for Murray, The more top players the better ... As long as he avoids Nadal he usually does well

reverse_swing
August 3, 2008, 05:08 PM
Good win for Murray. This is his first Masters series title. He will replace Roddick as world #6 this week.

Rumz_01
August 4, 2008, 05:42 PM
ooh nice one.. murray beat djokovic.. i dint watch it.. was it a good match?

i watched the rafa vs djo tho.. wasnt the most exciting match to stay up till 2 to watch bu hey.. aah well..

is rafa officially number 1??? congratz to him!!

Tigers_eye
August 14, 2008, 09:49 AM
Blake finally overcomes Federer on his nineth try. 6-4 7-6(2). Moves on the Olympic semi's.

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/tennis/news;_ylt=AvVkCA31BTVPI99oOm08S2Q5nYcB?slug=ap-ten-tennis&prov=ap&type=lgns

Arnab
August 14, 2008, 06:29 PM
Federer needs to win US and Year end Masters Cup to salvage his year. It looks like the losses to Rafa really cut him deep.