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al Furqaan
September 14, 2008, 12:04 PM
OK, whats done is done, but how we handle the situation is of utmost importance.

These are my thoughts and how I see them. Please opine with your thoughts, and Miraz bhai, perhaps you can relay pertinent information to the powers that be within the BCB.

First and Most Important

Who's next?

BCB should arrange a meeting with all players and ask them who else would leave if contacted by the ICL. Clearly, we have better players than the guys leaving. BCB should do everything in their power to achieve three things:

1) Convince the retired players to change their minds

2) Convince the remaining players to observe their patriotic duty and stay on

3) Demand the ICC to allow Bangladesh special consideration given our cricketing weakness. This should allow our ICL players to be treated no differently than if they had joined the IPL. This is necessary. Aftab leaving Bangladesh is 10 times more detrimental than Shane Bond leaving New Zealand.

Other Thoughts

1) Bashar should be let go, and applauded for making a wise career decision. We wish him the best.

2) Aftab, SN, Farhad, and Dhiman are the real losses, with the former two being of catastrophic levels. Everyone else is gravy.

3) ICC will NOT revoke our Test status no matter how poorly we play in the near future.

4) However, we may become a marginalized team like Pakistan or New Zealand. Teams may refuse to play us in Tests like Australia just did, and we may lose our Test status in a de facto manner. BCB must demand assurances from the ICC and the other boards that they will adhere to the FTP schedule in a reasonable fashion.

BCCI: The Real Criminals

Maybe they didn't intend to do it this way, but nonetheless the deed is done, and the damage will be wreaked. The BCCI's insistance on banning the ICL are directly responsible for this destruction of whatever cricket we have or had. Again, the BCB must exhaust all resources to retain any player that leaves for the ICL. If need be the government should step in to save the only international sporting symbol the country has.

Rabz
September 14, 2008, 12:17 PM
3) Demand the ICC to allow Bangladesh special consideration given our cricketing weakness. This should allow our ICL players to be treated no differently than if they had joined the IPL. This is necessary. Aftab leaving Bangladesh is 10 times more detrimental than Shane Bond leaving New Zealand.

I thought we were screaming our lungs out for same right as any other test nations.
So, why would the ICC care to give us special consideration in this matter?
If they have to give it to us , whats wrong with any other budding/ageing cricketer from any other country?

Didnt you have enough of the free ride?

4) However, we may become a marginalized team like Pakistan or New Zealand. Teams may refuse to play us in Tests like Australia just did, and we may lose our Test status in a de facto manner. BCB must demand assurances from the ICC and the other boards that they will adhere to the FTP schedule in a reasonable fashion.

Your own line contradicts your early statement. You want everyone else to treat us the same but want special consideration at the same time!!

BCCI: The Real Criminals

Its not they changed the law for BD players only. The law is simple and uniform for all countries. Only Indian market is big enough to sustain 2 simultenous leagues.

Lets face it, if BCCI is bankrolling one of them leagues, surely they would want to see thier competitor go down. They have the arsenals in hand, and is doing exactly what they should do in this competittive global market.

Dont blame BCCI for everything that happens.

yaseer
September 14, 2008, 12:21 PM
Have ICC made a rule to BAN players who plays ICL?? Is it a written rule or just a rule which every board is just practicing for not to go in clash with BCCI??

thebest
September 14, 2008, 12:27 PM
BCB should make firm stand. No compromise. If one wants to go let him go. It is now time to self evaluation. What went wrong? Who were the ICL contact in Bangladesh? as I said in another thread nobody is indispensable and we actually lose anyone bar Dhiman. And please don't blame BCCI for this fiasco. BCCI did what was their best interest. It is better BCB lined up with ECB, SACB, WICB and overturn the banning of ICL enlisted player. however even if the ban is overturned BCB should ensure that these 'rotten apple' remain persona non grata in all BCB enlisted tournament, facilities even as spectator

Miraz
September 14, 2008, 12:31 PM
My main worry ....

Bangladesh bashers will try to use this players exodus to temporarily suspend Bangladesh's Test sataus.

This is why BCB must act quickly and firmly. They are not our best players, we can still make a 15 member squad with national players who have played for Bangladesh over the last 12 months. This is a loss, but a vested group might try to portary it as a much bigger loss.

al Furqaan
September 14, 2008, 12:31 PM
rabz,

survival is "by any means neccessary". plain and simple.

yaseer
September 14, 2008, 12:37 PM
My main worry ....

Bangladesh bashers will try to use this players exodus to temporarily suspend Bangladesh's Test sataus.

This is why BCB must act quickly and firmly. They are not our best players, we can still make a 15 member squad with national players who have played for Bangladesh over the last 12 months. This is a loss, but a vested group might try to portary it as a much bigger loss.

Yes...Just what happened with Zimbabwe.....and nowadays our performance is not that good as before....also all these can take the concentration away from the New-Zealand tour as well and degrade our performance even worse........

A quick and correct measures should be taken.....most importantly need to show good performance against NZ....as all BD bashers will eagerly waiting to see how poorly we perform to make this ICL a much more bigger issue

Murad
September 14, 2008, 12:38 PM
Agree with Miraz bhai and thebest bhai.

Jegulo retire korse ar ICL join kortese.. ekta o ar temon important players na. THey are not our best players. Dhiman was looking good. But not that good.

Eto chintar kichu nai. Ja hoi valor jonnei hoi.

We have good replacements for them. And I am pretty sure they will do much better than them.

Rabz
September 14, 2008, 12:41 PM
This is why BCB must act quickly and firmly. They are not our best players, we can still make a 15 member squad with national players who have played for Bangladesh over the last 12 months. This is a loss, but a vested group might try to portary it as a much bigger loss.

They are already doing it.
Ian Chappel already pointed out that Bangladesh would have to field a third string team if ICL can have thier way.

But the truth is, Aftab was out of the team for injury and his absense was not felt that heavily.
SN was out of form, plus we hv Zunaed and others to pair with Tamim.
Alok was never considered permanently, despite his 100 against India.
Dhiman is a good prospect, but we have Mushy.
Rubel, well, we have too many SLA's in the team.
Nizam, good for him.
Baisya, im glad he signed that contact.

The rookies? plain stupidity.

As i already mentioned in other thread, pure show of Bengali mentality.
Looking for easy way out, short term goal, no hard work.

You can only go so far with that attitude.

AF, point noted.

WarWolf
September 14, 2008, 12:47 PM
They are already doing it.
Ian Chappel already pointed out that Bangladesh would have to field a third string team if ICL can have thier way.

But the truth is, Aftab was out of the team for injury and his absense was not felt that heavilyl.
SN was out of form, plus we hv Zunaed and others to pair with Tamim.
Alok was never considered permanently, despite his 100 against India.
Dhiman is a good prospect, but we have Mushy.
Rubel, well, we have too many SLA's in the team.
Nizam, good for him.
Baisya, im glad he signed that contact.

The rookies? plain stupidity.

As i already mentioned in other thread, pure show of Bengali mentality.
Looking for easy way out, short term goal, no hard work.

You can only go so far with that attitude.

AF, point noted.
Wonderful post. 100% agree.

Bancan
September 14, 2008, 12:54 PM
Atleast I will get to see Baishya play again. I will miss Aftab and SN.

Hopefully this is the end and no other player signs with ICL.

Like Tamim, Mash.

PlanetPak
September 14, 2008, 01:02 PM
3) Demand the ICC to allow Bangladesh special consideration given our cricketing weakness. This should allow our ICL players to be treated no differently than if they had joined the IPL. This is necessary. Aftab leaving Bangladesh is 10 times more detrimental than Shane Bond leaving New Zealand.


BCCI: The Real Criminals

Maybe they didn't intend to do it this way, but nonetheless the deed is done, and the damage will be wreaked. The BCCI's insistance on banning the ICL are directly responsible for this destruction of whatever cricket we have or had. Again, the BCB must exhaust all resources to retain any player that leaves for the ICL. If need be the government should step in to save the only international sporting symbol the country has.

ICC? who/what is that?
BAN need to talk to BCCI but considering how they have acted in the past its highly unlikely that they will agree with the BCB.

mafizraju
September 14, 2008, 01:06 PM
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Lets face it, if BCCI is bankrolling one of them leagues, surely they would want to see thier competitor go down. They have the arsenals in hand, and is doing exactly what they should do in this competittive global market.

Dont blame BCCI for everything that happens.


Rabz, this is an unfair competition as any modern economic student will tell you. Infact it is not a competition at all. BCCI was trying to creat a monopoly of their own. If market forces were to be the determining factor (as in a competition it is ) let take such policy of discouraging players.

I say work out with NZ and West Indies and Southafrica, England. Next year there will be a team from Colombo if there can be one from Dhaka this year, may be then from London, or Kingston. If all of BCCB can pull enough diplomatic strings I see BCCI loosing the vote.

ICC must be get ridden of all sort bias , what we have successfully done was shift the power of ICC from English to Indians. And this is sad as nither is desirable

mafizraju
September 14, 2008, 01:10 PM
My main worry ....

Bangladesh bashers will try to use this players exodus to temporarily suspend Bangladesh's Test sataus.

This is why BCB must act quickly and firmly. They are not our best players, we can still make a 15 member squad with national players who have played for Bangladesh over the last 12 months. This is a loss, but a vested group might try to portary it as a much bigger loss.


I dont understand this. You guys are trying to take it as if okay fine, no big loss for us. But its a loss to me. Every single of our player should be able to play for us. Why would we have to give in to BCCI's unfair and completely unscrupulous decision????

The process doesnot end here. this is the beginning only. What if next year or the year after more players from national team gets ICL or another group. What happens then? Bangladesh cricket will miss another few. so is this trend going to continue.?????

Murad
September 14, 2008, 01:15 PM
They couldn't care less
Sports Reporter


"They don't think of us, so why should we think of them?"

This is how left-arm spinner Mosharraf Hossain reacted when asked who would replace him after he, along with five others, decided to play in the breakaway Indian Cricket League (ICL).

A local daily reported yesterday that six national players, among fourteen, have been offered a place in the ICL payroll as part of a team called Dhaka Warriors, fashioned like the Lahore Badshahs led by former Pakistan captain Inzamamul Haq.

Apart from Mosharraf, former captain Habibul Bashar, dashing batsman Aftab Ahmed, opener Shahriar Nafees, allrounder Forhad Reza and wicketkeeper Dhiman Ghosh have announced their retirement from all forms of cricket and submitted not-too-clear letters to the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB).

They are expected to take home something close to $ 200,000 each after signing three-year contracts.

So is it money that drew them out of the opportunity to play for their country? Mosharraf showed other reasons.

"I wasn't enjoying my time (in the last year) whether I was playing or not playing for Bangladesh," confided the tall left-armer, adding that he had an uncertain future.

The 27-year-old Mosharraf was touted as Mohammad Rafique's heir apparent but a single wicket in three ODIs against South Africa earlier this year and no contribution with the bat made one of the selectors admit that he cracks under pressure, although he was handpicked for his evidential ability to perform under pressure for Dhaka.

More disgruntled was Nafees it seems.

"There was a lot of anger, frustration and complaint behind this decision. I will reveal all of this in due course of time because I am no longer part of the code of conduct," said Nafees who added that he will come out of retirement only when he desires.

"I made it to the national team after working for ten years and I know, there's a lot of pride of playing for Bangladesh but at this moment, I don't feel good to play cricket," said the left-handed opener.

He confirmed that he hasn't confirmed the ICL offer even though he has received it.

"I have been offered but I haven't confirmed anything. My main focus is education and I want to complete my MBA in the next one-and-a-half years," said Nafees.

Former captain Bashar, who led the Tigers in 18 Tests and 69 ODIs, found it hard to draw this conclusion.

"It was a tough decision," he said. "I shed a lot of tears while deciding and I have many, many reasons."

He criticised Jamie Siddons's stance on him and said that he was almost left alone.

"The situation was getting difficult for me. I wasn't receiving support from anyone. Even the coach's attitude was discouraging and I was in the middle of a lot of uncertainty and I was out of cricket for seven months," added Bashar.

He also alleged that most players were unhappy with the current management.

"After thinking of all this, I thought it would be best to take up this offer. I don't know about the others but all I know is that nobody is happy," concluded Bashar of his explanation.

The biggest surprises in the retirement list were the likes of Dhiman Ghosh and Aftab Ahmed and the explanation given by the wicketkeeper, in all seriousness, was laughable.

"There are lots of other players," said Dhiman when asked of the void he would leave in his discipline.

"Why did they drop me if I was the country's number one wicketkeeper?" Dhiman demanded to know.

He also alleged that he was always reminded of Mushfiqur Rahim's presence and that his place would be taken.

On the other hand, Aftab's beautiful prospect as one of the batting superstars in the country will forever be dented.

Now, their future hangs by the tiniest thread. Even if they back out and don't sign a fat paycheck with ICL, they will forever be remembered as the first batch of players to have retired with the intention to play in the rebel Indian league.

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=54862

Rabz
September 14, 2008, 01:23 PM
Looks like they wanted a permanent place in the team!!

I knew they were immature, but did not know they are that naive.
Dhiman's comment of being reminded of Mushy's presence is just utter stupidity.

Rest my case.

Tomorrow is a new day.

Zeeshan
September 14, 2008, 01:24 PM
I think they are forming micro-unions amongst players. politix er upor politix. shame.

Kana-Baba
September 14, 2008, 01:29 PM
what should we do now?

angul chosha ar ICL dekha

Murad
September 14, 2008, 01:33 PM
High ranking officials of the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) met immediately to discuss the issue. They later gave off the impression of not wanting to lose so many front-line players at one time - - something that would create a vacuum in a pipeline where quality players are already slim pickings.

However, the BCB confirmed that there will be no shirking of punishment that is set to be imposed on the players for following such a personal agenda and setting aside national goals.

"It was stated by the players that they intend to retire from all forms of international and domestic cricket for a certain period of time but the reasons for their intention to retire were not stated in their respective letters," said Gazi Ashraf Hossain, chairman of the cricket operations committee, after the meeting.

"The board attaches great importance to the matter and expresses its concern at the abrupt decision by so many players to retire from the game and that's why we tried to talk to them over telephone but nobody responded. We then messaged them to attend a meeting on Tuesday," he added.

"We are hopeful that the interaction will give us a good solution. Still officially we don't know whether they have taken the decision for ICL but one thing is clear that there is a common guideline and we will implement it without any hesitation if any player takes part in this competition," Ashraf warned.

The former national captain said that they were shocked and the event was unexpected especially at a time when they were trying to arrange something for the players to make sure that they will earn more money as well as gain international exposure.

"It was shocking and unexpected. Interestingly we had a meeting with Indian board official Lalit Modi during the ICC award ceremony where he promised to confirm minimum three Bangladeshi player's participation in the IPL during April-May next year."

"On the other hand we have a chance to participate in the T20 Champions League in 2010. And all this effort has been taken to make sure our players get more money and international exposure," he informed.

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=54861

bharat
September 14, 2008, 01:48 PM
Some of you guys are conviniently blaming the BCCI ( which I think has no role in this) and are giving a clean chit to the BCB.

Bashar leaving for the ICL is not a surprise but younsters like SN,Aftab and even Dhiman (I think he is the greatest loss) who are on the fringes or currently playing is a fiasco for BCB.

The ICL could not muster even 3rd Grade Indian cricketers, even Pak got away with Oldies or others who had no hope of making it to the Pak team.

ICL was desperate to get 'a Team' and BCB offered them easy pickings !! If there is anyone to blame it is the BCB !!!

thasan
September 14, 2008, 01:54 PM
Atleast I will get to see Baishya play again. I will miss Aftab and SN.

Hopefully this is the end and no other player signs with ICL.

Like Tamim, Mash.


theres a good chance (i speculate) for mash and TI. not sure about ash.
sorry if it hurts but from ICLs point of view, they will try to take bd to point so that we revolt against BCCIs stance. makes sense? :)

HereWeGo
September 14, 2008, 02:17 PM
Some of you guys are conviniently blaming the BCCI ( which I think has no role in this) and are giving a clean chit to the BCB.

Bashar leaving for the ICL is not a surprise but younsters like SN,Aftab and even Dhiman (I think he is the greatest loss) who are on the fringes or currently playing is a fiasco for BCB.

The ICL could not muster even 3rd Grade Indian cricketers, even Pak got away with Oldies or others who had no hope of making it to the Pak team.

ICL was desperate to get 'a Team' and BCB offered them easy pickings !! If there is anyone to blame it is the BCB !!!

Sorry bharat but you are wrong bro. Bangladesh cricket is at its infancy, the money that Bangladeshi cricketers get playing the league is nothing( not even 1/20th compaped to india and 1/5th compared to pakistan). If u are willing to pay enough money than u can easily lure these BD cricketers. As far as BCB is concerned they cant afford to pay too much since we are at our infancy and the sponsorshi, Tv rights money we recieve is nothing compared to India or Pakistan .

Now BCB has its faults, but it is BCCI who has created this situation for the sake of creating monopoly.

BTW Pakistan lost their best all rounder in the form of Razzaque and almost lost their best batsmen in the form of yousuf. Wanna bet against future high profile sighnings.

Plus the world has lost lots of international stars due to early retirement bought on by ICL( or BCCI).

al Furqaan
September 14, 2008, 02:22 PM
Some of you guys are conviniently blaming the BCCI ( which I think has no role in this) and are giving a clean chit to the BCB.

Bashar leaving for the ICL is not a surprise but younsters like SN,Aftab and even Dhiman (I think he is the greatest loss) who are on the fringes or currently playing is a fiasco for BCB.

The ICL could not muster even 3rd Grade Indian cricketers, even Pak got away with Oldies or others who had no hope of making it to the Pak team.

ICL was desperate to get 'a Team' and BCB offered them easy pickings !! If there is anyone to blame it is the BCB !!!

i am blaming the BCCI.

i will agree with you that BCCI is not maliciously involved. in fact this is probably just as surprising to them as it is to us and the BCB.

however, their stance on the ICL and their demand that ICC and other boards ban ICL players is a direct cause of any destruction these retirements might have with BD cricket.

please bear in mind that i am also "blaming" each of the cricket players involved. SN just lost his desire...fine. aftab probably has immature dumb reasons for quitting. and dhiman's are plain weak.

but the simple fact is that if the BCCI hadn't banned the ICL, we wouldn't be in this quandry. this is undeniable though the BCCI didn't explicitly intend this.

you're puppeteering on BCCI's behalf has now reached ludicrously laughable proportions.

did the BCB say "here you 6 go and play in the ICL"?

the BCB is looking for ways to keep these guys, not getting rid of them. the BCB has no blood on their hands. its all about the BCCI's stance on the ICL and their hostage taking of the ICC.

BANFAN
September 14, 2008, 02:23 PM
Find out the real reason for such demotivating acts and statements. I'm sure the real reasons are not the one's what they are saying publicly. It speaks of the environment in our team.

smashyboy
September 14, 2008, 02:29 PM
Find out the real reason for such demotivating acts and statements. I'm sure the real reasons are not the one's what they are saying publicly. It speaks of the environment in our team.

real reason is $$$. Would they have done it for free? Absolutely not. The probably calculated the money they might make with BD cricket over the years and compare it with what ICL offers. ICL money might have exceeded by a huge margin. IPL , BD players will go for very low price. This is a win win situation for some players.

bharat
September 14, 2008, 04:07 PM
i am blaming the BCCI.

i will agree with you that BCCI is not maliciously involved. in fact this is probably just as surprising to them as it is to us and the BCB.

however, their stance on the ICL and their demand that ICC and other boards ban ICL players is a direct cause of any destruction these retirements might have with BD cricket.

please bear in mind that i am also "blaming" each of the cricket players involved. SN just lost his desire...fine. aftab probably has immature dumb reasons for quitting. and dhiman's are plain weak.

but the simple fact is that if the BCCI hadn't banned the ICL, we wouldn't be in this quandry. this is undeniable though the BCCI didn't explicitly intend this.

you're puppeteering on BCCI's behalf has now reached ludicrously laughable proportions.

did the BCB say "here you 6 go and play in the ICL"?

the BCB is looking for ways to keep these guys, not getting rid of them. the BCB has no blood on their hands. its all about the BCCI's stance on the ICL and their hostage taking of the ICC.

well !! you might see my backing BCCI as being 'ludicrous', as you are on the other side of the line.But look from my prespective things would look completely different.

BCB mistake here is that it could not provide them with the monetary incentives to play for the nation !!

ICL is a rebel league with no official backing, the money that ICL would generate would fill the cofferes of private individuals with no return to Indian cricket.It is but natural that BCCI oppose such a league.

ICC toeing with BCCI is but natural, as it is not only BCCI's loss but an ICC's loss too (because of ICL) !! I am not sure how people fail to that !! 80% of the revenue that ICC gets is generated from India, this revenue is utilized by all boards including BD.What obligation will ICL have towards BD cricket?

At the end of the day I see BCCI trying to rope in the current players of BD for IPL to stop future exodus.They should have seen this coming the last time.

Again, I stand by what I have said before, BCB could not motivate its players to stay in with the national team.The ICC's stance about rebel players was clearly out there, the players made their choices.BCCI could coax some of the bright players to get back from ICL (Badrinath is one) its upto the BCB to dothe same (atleast in the case of Aftab and Dhiman)

Beamer
September 14, 2008, 04:14 PM
What we should do ?

First : Let the players go and shut the door on them. End of story there. Not interested with their reasons whatsoever. Some of the reasons given by them are just pathetic. We understand how important money is and they should just leave it at that. There is no way back for them. No way I would let them back in the team. Accountability is key and letting them back would set a positive example for the next batch of would be defectors.

Second : Absolutely spend all the energy with BCCI and IPL to make them pick as many BD national team players as possible in some of their franchises. Even if they are bench warmers, so be it. There is no way we will be able to stem the loss of players if our rejects earn three times more than the national players. SN just can't earn more than Tamim ! Think about it. Sooner or later, more players will leave unless we find a way to place them in IPL franchises.

Third : Increase the salary of the contracted players.

Fourth : It would have been much much worse if the names included Tamim, Sakib, Mashrafee, Ash, Raj or even Rakibul. So, protect those core players and serve their interests first.

Fifth : Whatever role Ash played initially, it still doesn't let him off the hook, simply because he said " No " later. That was a breach of conduct IMO. If there was a clamor for removing him from the captaincy after the Aussie series, this just makes it mandatory to remove him from that post. Appoint Mashrafe as the captain. Find out the extent of Ash's involvement and re-primand him if necessary. He is losing his captaincy for sure come NZ series.

Sixth : Seriously review Jamie Siddons and his shambolic communication skills. Have a frank discussion with the senior core players about their views on Siddons and proceed from there.

Seventh : Please bring professionalism in BCB. It was laughable when I read that some of them were surprised by the news and even though there were rumors, they thought that no one would take it up. Hello? Are they living in fools paradise? As usual, we are reacting instead of being pro-active. BCB apparently don't even have a policy regarding ICL even though they have been trying to recruit some of our players for a while. Thats reason enough for some sacking at the top.

Eighth : Do not spend energy with matters that are beyond or control. There is no point asking ICC or BCCI to recognize ICL. They won't.

Ninth : Immediately announce two teams for the preparation of NZ tour that will have to include some newer players now from the Academy and age ranks. Your loss is always somebody else's gain folks. In no time, before you know, there will be replacements. Shine the spotlights on people who are here and who will be here. Do it quickly.

Tenth : BCB must not get into media mud slinging with the defectors. Just quietly wish them luck and proceed with the future without even mentioning their names. They have to act as if they are above all this while quietly cleaning up in-house.

God bless our national team .

dash
September 14, 2008, 04:16 PM
My main worry ....

Bangladesh bashers will try to use this players exodus to temporarily suspend Bangladesh's Test sataus.

This is why BCB must act quickly and firmly. They are not our best players, we can still make a 15 member squad with national players who have played for Bangladesh over the last 12 months. This is a loss, but a vested group might try to portary it as a much bigger loss.

i agree none of them r indspble

dash
September 14, 2008, 04:17 PM
In a civil society there is nothing we can do bout it,

But w r not a civil society,
we can do humki, dhamki, police action,military action, bhoy bhiti, khaia falamu , maira falamu etc

Murad
September 14, 2008, 04:24 PM
What we should do ?

Fifth : Whatever role Ash played initially, it still doesn't let him off the hook, simply because he said " No " later. That was a breach of conduct IMO. If there was a clamor for removing him from the captaincy after the Aussie series, this just makes it mandatory to remove him from that post. Appoint Mashrafe as the captain. Find out the extent of Ash's involvement and re-primand him if necessary. He is losing his captaincy for sure come NZ series.

God bless our national team .

I agree with this. If the rumor is true, then he should be punished. He should be banned for atleast 6 months.

However, we can't be so sure about this and start cricizing him before proving it. BCB should should investigate this issue as soon as possible.

tonoy
September 14, 2008, 04:27 PM
Excellent post Beamer. Nothing to do but move forward.

Omio
September 14, 2008, 04:38 PM
What we should do ?

First : Let the players go and shut the door on them. End of story there. Not interested with their reasons whatsoever. Some of the reasons given by them are just pathetic. We understand how important money is and they should just leave it at that. There is no way back for them. No way I would let them back in the team. Accountability is key and letting them back would set a positive example for the next batch of would be defectors.

Second : Absolutely spend all the energy with BCCI and IPL to make them pick as many BD national team players as possible in some of their franchises. Even if they are bench warmers, so be it. There is no way we will be able to stem the loss of players if our rejects earn three times more than the national players. SN just can't earn more than Tamim ! Think about it. Sooner or later, more players will leave unless we find a way to place them in IPL franchises.

Third : Increase the salary of the contracted players.

Fourth : It would have been much much worse if the names included Tamim, Sakib, Mashrafee, Ash, Raj or even Rakibul. So, protect those core players and serve their interests first.

Fifth : Whatever role Ash played initially, it still doesn't let him off the hook, simply because he said " No " later. That was a breach of conduct IMO. If there was a clamor for removing him from the captaincy after the Aussie series, this just makes it mandatory to remove him from that post. Appoint Mashrafe as the captain. Find out the extent of Ash's involvement and re-primand him if necessary. He is losing his captaincy for sure come NZ series.

Sixth : Seriously review Jamie Siddons and his shambolic communication skills. Have a frank discussion with the senior core players about their views on Siddons and proceed from there.

Seventh : Please bring professionalism in BCB. It was laughable when I read that some of them were surprised by the news and even though there were rumors, they thought that no one would take it up. Hello? Are they living in fools paradise? As usual, we are reacting instead of being pro-active. BCB apparently don't even have a policy regarding ICL even though they have been trying to recruit some of our players for a while. Thats reason enough for some sacking at the top.

Eighth : Do not spend energy with matters that are beyond or control. There is no point asking ICC or BCCI to recognize ICL. They won't.

Ninth : Immediately announce two teams for the preparation of NZ tour that will have to include some newer players now from the Academy and age ranks. Your loss is always somebody else's gain folks. In no time, before you know, there will be replacements. Shine the spotlights on people who are here and who will be here. Do it quickly.

Tenth : BCB must not get into media mud slinging with the defectors. Just quietly wish them luck and proceed with the future without even mentioning their names. They have to act as if they are above all this while quietly cleaning up in-house.

God bless our national team .
Great post, should be in front page.

Murad
September 14, 2008, 04:43 PM
Here's AShraful's interview with the Prothom-Alo about the allegations by the retired players.

He has given a interview to the Prothom-alo via phone from LONDON.

http://www.prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=MTE4MTE2&mid=OA==

Now you guys decide what is true and what is wrong.

Spitfire_x86
September 14, 2008, 04:45 PM
:up: to Beamer's post

Murad
September 14, 2008, 04:48 PM
Someone please transtale what AShraful said.

I can but I do a lot of mistakes.

Thanks in Advance :)

Akib
September 14, 2008, 05:10 PM
+1 to beamers post.


Removing captaincy from ashraful is probably better for him. Let him focus on his batting.

ialbd
September 14, 2008, 05:21 PM
Only if the league was IPL, atleast kisu bhalo player der shathe khele improve korar chance thakto....

jaitese ajaira ICL e... the league of the retired/buddas/rejects from all around.... dont know wat to expect...

BANFAN
September 14, 2008, 05:27 PM
Only if the league was IPL, atleast kisu bhalo player der shathe khele improve korar chance thakto....

jaitese ajaira ICL e... the league of the retired/buddas/rejects from all around.... dont know wat to expect...

Amader playerder jonno thik ache.

Like A PhD in Russia :)

Beamer
September 14, 2008, 05:33 PM
Just read the PA interview. Apparently Ash was the one who was approached first. He told the players about this and according to him, he didn't try to persuade anybody to join ICL, and the numbers obviously raised some eyebrows. He told Lipu and other folks involved right away and they thought that was the end of it after he said NO. So, ICL people obviously selected another person to approach the players and they ( defectors ) obviously kept it among themselves without Ash's knowledge until yesterday . That was the gist of interview..

Now, I am convinced that the new person was none other HaBa. His career was over. So, him leaving was not a big deal for me. Tapash, Manju, Sharif? please.. who are they at this point? The major coup was Dhiman, Aftab and SN, ironically the last two didn't go to Australia, one with a broken finger and the other for exams. Aftab and Dhiman were the two sure shots in the team. The rest are retired, or on the verge of retirement, and people who are somewhat iffy in the team, like SN, Alok, Reza etc. Whoever lead this secret pact did so with the knowledge of the status of the players in the team, or, people who are more persuadable at this point.

al Furqaan
September 14, 2008, 09:06 PM
well !! you might see my backing BCCI as being 'ludicrous', as you are on the other side of the line.But look from my prespective things would look completely different.

BCB mistake here is that it could not provide them with the monetary incentives to play for the nation !!

ICL is a rebel league with no official backing, the money that ICL would generate would fill the cofferes of private individuals with no return to Indian cricket.It is but natural that BCCI oppose such a league.

ICC toeing with BCCI is but natural, as it is not only BCCI's loss but an ICC's loss too (because of ICL) !! I am not sure how people fail to that !! 80% of the revenue that ICC gets is generated from India, this revenue is utilized by all boards including BD.What obligation will ICL have towards BD cricket?

At the end of the day I see BCCI trying to rope in the current players of BD for IPL to stop future exodus.They should have seen this coming the last time.

Again, I stand by what I have said before, BCB could not motivate its players to stay in with the national team.The ICC's stance about rebel players was clearly out there, the players made their choices.BCCI could coax some of the bright players to get back from ICL (Badrinath is one) its upto the BCB to dothe same (atleast in the case of Aftab and Dhiman)

Ok, i apologize.

we're basically saying the same thing.

yes BCB is at fault. but so too are all boards not named BCCI: no one can afford to pay the players what the ICL and IPL can. otherwise bond wouldn't have bolted from new zealand. if NZ, a first world developed country can't hang on to their cricketers, BCB has no chance.

again, i wasn't blaming BCCI in the sense that they conspired against BCB, but rather that their money hungry ways are the largest factor behind this mess. actually the sole factor. if the ICL status is merely changed from rebel to OK, it fixes the whole mess. instead players have to choose between country or money, not country and money.

akabir77
September 14, 2008, 09:23 PM
What we should do ?

First : Let the players go and shut the door on them. End of story there. Not interested with their reasons whatsoever. Some of the reasons given by them are just pathetic. We understand how important money is and they should just leave it at that. There is no way back for them. No way I would let them back in the team. Accountability is key and letting them back would set a positive example for the next batch of would be defectors.

Second : Absolutely spend all the energy with BCCI and IPL to make them pick as many BD national team players as possible in some of their franchises. Even if they are bench warmers, so be it. There is no way we will be able to stem the loss of players if our rejects earn three times more than the national players. SN just can't earn more than Tamim ! Think about it. Sooner or later, more players will leave unless we find a way to place them in IPL franchises.

Third : Increase the salary of the contracted players.

Fourth : It would have been much much worse if the names included Tamim, Sakib, Mashrafee, Ash, Raj or even Rakibul. So, protect those core players and serve their interests first.

Fifth : Whatever role Ash played initially, it still doesn't let him off the hook, simply because he said " No " later. That was a breach of conduct IMO. If there was a clamor for removing him from the captaincy after the Aussie series, this just makes it mandatory to remove him from that post. Appoint Mashrafe as the captain. Find out the extent of Ash's involvement and re-primand him if necessary. He is losing his captaincy for sure come NZ series.

Sixth : Seriously review Jamie Siddons and his shambolic communication skills. Have a frank discussion with the senior core players about their views on Siddons and proceed from there.

Seventh : Please bring professionalism in BCB. It was laughable when I read that some of them were surprised by the news and even though there were rumors, they thought that no one would take it up. Hello? Are they living in fools paradise? As usual, we are reacting instead of being pro-active. BCB apparently don't even have a policy regarding ICL even though they have been trying to recruit some of our players for a while. Thats reason enough for some sacking at the top.

Eighth : Do not spend energy with matters that are beyond or control. There is no point asking ICC or BCCI to recognize ICL. They won't.

Ninth : Immediately announce two teams for the preparation of NZ tour that will have to include some newer players now from the Academy and age ranks. Your loss is always somebody else's gain folks. In no time, before you know, there will be replacements. Shine the spotlights on people who are here and who will be here. Do it quickly.

Tenth : BCB must not get into media mud slinging with the defectors. Just quietly wish them luck and proceed with the future without even mentioning their names. They have to act as if they are above all this while quietly cleaning up in-house.

God bless our national team .

Vote Beamer Bhai for President of BCB...

Abirz
September 14, 2008, 10:33 PM
Does this means we're never gonna see Aftab,Shariar n the other retiring players play for bangladesh?
And arent players who sign ICL contracts banned from playing in their National sides? so that means all 14 players r gone...forever, no more aftab's sixes, no more shariars centuries, ...sob, i was always hoping that when aftab comes back in the team, were gonna be the team we were in the 2007 world cup, this just seems so disastrous

MarufH
September 14, 2008, 11:14 PM
My main worry ....

Bangladesh bashers will try to use this players exodus to temporarily suspend Bangladesh's Test sataus.

This is why BCB must act quickly and firmly. They are not our best players, we can still make a 15 member squad with national players who have played for Bangladesh over the last 12 months. This is a loss, but a vested group might try to portary it as a much bigger loss.


totally agreed. u read my mind.

MarufH
September 14, 2008, 11:15 PM
Does this means we're never gonna see Aftab,Shariar n the other retiring players play for bangladesh?
And arent players who sign ICL contracts banned from playing in their National sides? so that means all 14 players r gone...forever, no more aftab's sixes, no more shariars centuries, ...sob, i was always hoping that when aftab comes back in the team, were gonna be the team we were in the 2007 world cup, this just seems so disastrous

:(:confused:
:(

MarufH
September 14, 2008, 11:19 PM
http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=54862


That F%$####$G SICKHEAD is saying BCB does not think of them???getting groomed... expensive hotel... world class caoches... nothing matters??? I say bring James Bond to hunt them all down.

MarufH
September 14, 2008, 11:28 PM
what we should do ?

First : Let the players go and shut the door on them. End of story there. Not interested with their reasons whatsoever. Some of the reasons given by them are just pathetic. We understand how important money is and they should just leave it at that. There is no way back for them. No way i would let them back in the team. Accountability is key and letting them back would set a positive example for the next batch of would be defectors.

Second : Absolutely spend all the energy with bcci and ipl to make them pick as many bd national team players as possible in some of their franchises. Even if they are bench warmers, so be it. There is no way we will be able to stem the loss of players if our rejects earn three times more than the national players. Sn just can't earn more than tamim ! Think about it. Sooner or later, more players will leave unless we find a way to place them in ipl franchises.

Third : Increase the salary of the contracted players.

Fourth : It would have been much much worse if the names included tamim, sakib, mashrafee, ash, raj or even rakibul. So, protect those core players and serve their interests first.

Fifth : Whatever role ash played initially, it still doesn't let him off the hook, simply because he said " no " later. That was a breach of conduct imo. If there was a clamor for removing him from the captaincy after the aussie series, this just makes it mandatory to remove him from that post. Appoint mashrafe as the captain. Find out the extent of ash's involvement and re-primand him if necessary. He is losing his captaincy for sure come nz series.

Sixth : Seriously review jamie siddons and his shambolic communication skills. Have a frank discussion with the senior core players about their views on siddons and proceed from there.

Seventh : Please bring professionalism in bcb. It was laughable when i read that some of them were surprised by the news and even though there were rumors, they thought that no one would take it up. Hello? Are they living in fools paradise? As usual, we are reacting instead of being pro-active. Bcb apparently don't even have a policy regarding icl even though they have been trying to recruit some of our players for a while. Thats reason enough for some sacking at the top.

Eighth : Do not spend energy with matters that are beyond or control. There is no point asking icc or bcci to recognize icl. They won't.

Ninth : Immediately announce two teams for the preparation of nz tour that will have to include some newer players now from the academy and age ranks. Your loss is always somebody else's gain folks. In no time, before you know, there will be replacements. Shine the spotlights on people who are here and who will be here. Do it quickly.

Tenth : Bcb must not get into media mud slinging with the defectors. Just quietly wish them luck and proceed with the future without even mentioning their names. They have to act as if they are above all this while quietly cleaning up in-house.

God bless our national team .

best post. Post of the crisis. Everyone is crying, one man stood up to the issue. Salute bro!!!

Murad
September 14, 2008, 11:32 PM
best post. Post of the crisis. Everyone is crying, one man stood up to the issue. Salute bro!!!

Beamer naam ta ki aar emni emnite diyese?? Naam jemon kaaje o temon.

I agree with Akabir bhai, Beamer bhai for President of BCB :-D

Tintin
September 15, 2008, 01:13 AM
but one thing is clear that there is a common guideline and we will implement it without any hesitation if any player takes part in this competition," Ashraf warned. He is still talking in terms of ICC, "common guideline" and such stuff. Can a man at such a position be so naive as not to realise ICL would soon poach Bangladesh players. Once the Lahore Badshahs were a major success, it was a matter of time before they looked towards Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

All the talk about ICC's rules is crap. PCB and BCB voted to ban the ICL players to please BCCI and to help IPL which does not earn them half a cent. They don't even seem to realise that if they vote together against BCCI, BCCI wouldn't have the majority in ICC in many issues. Till they grow a spine and do things for the sake of improving their country's cricket, and not to please someone else out of fear and insecurity, they are bound to suffer.

Sri Lanka is the next in line when their tour of England clashes with IPL and it involves much bigger names than those involved in the PCB and BCB businesses. At least, instead of the two Ashrafs, they have Ranatunga.


"It was shocking and unexpected. Interestingly we had a meeting with Indian board official Lalit Modi during the ICC award ceremony where he promised to confirm minimum three Bangladeshi player's participation in the IPL during April-May next year."It is funny to see such innocent trust in Modi by Ashraf. Modi surely isn't going to get the businessmen running the IPL spend a few hundred thousand dollars because it is good for Bangladesh cricket or because it will help BCB retain those players. Perhaps if the BCB could threaten to vote against BCCI it will work. But Modi knows that BCB won't do it.

WarWolf
September 15, 2008, 07:44 AM
Very good post by Beamer and TIntin.

samjad
September 15, 2008, 09:06 AM
Loved your post Beamer bhai. Thanks

thebest
September 15, 2008, 09:17 AM
Beamer Vai,
top post. I wish some of us would better in BCB doing parttime than this A**H*** management working fulltime.
Beamer for BCB President

bujhee kom
September 15, 2008, 09:56 AM
i am predicting that these losers discards in this icl tournament will score an average of 7-15 at the most!
i will pay attention to each and everyone of them! every bit of screw-up they do i will take note and come at them strong until they just disappear from bd cricket memory! let's see...

Beamer
September 15, 2008, 11:39 AM
You guys are making me laugh. President? Please! I love to be among the BC'ers.

WarWolf
September 15, 2008, 11:48 AM
You guys are making me laugh. President? Please! I love to be among the BC'ers.
Even a president can be from among the BC'ers. We wish you success.:-D

Tigers_eye
September 15, 2008, 11:56 AM
disgrunted employees trying to have a better leverage by bashing the former employer.

What we should do:
Make a placard and say thank you for leaving the national team even though you weren't performing. With especial advice please get yourselves another wife. 21'a akta, 24'a ar ekta. Karor kisu bolar nai cause you can support them now.

thebest
September 15, 2008, 12:17 PM
disgrunted employees trying to have a better leverage by bashing the former employer.

What we should do:
Make a placard and say thank you for leaving the national team even though you weren't performing. With especial advice please get yourselves another wife. 21'a akta, 24'a ar ekta. Karor kisu bolar nai cause you can support them now.
I agree. But still could not forgive BCB for their sheer incompetence. How else they could let Dhiman (the only loss)/ Farhad picked by ICL after prior warning from Ash.

Ajfar
September 15, 2008, 02:20 PM
Atleast I will get to see Baishya play again. I will miss Aftab and SN.

Hopefully this is the end and no other player signs with ICL.

Like Tamim, Mash.

this is just the beginning...there's mroe to comee...aie player ra jodi ICL e successfull hoi.tader provav porbe desher onnano playder upore...

Nocturnal
September 15, 2008, 02:34 PM
disgrunted employees trying to have a better leverage by bashing the former employer.

What we should do:
Make a placard and say thank you for leaving the national team even though you weren't performing. With especial advice please get yourselves another wife. 21'a akta, 24'a ar ekta. Karor kisu bolar nai cause you can support them now.

I wish I could go to DW's first game with this placard.... :up:
can we hire someone there...i'll pay :-D

BANFAN
September 15, 2008, 02:44 PM
this is just the beginning...there's mroe to comee...aie player ra jodi ICL e successfull hoi.tader provav porbe desher onnano playder upore...

But they surely won't allow more than one team from BD

Beamer
September 16, 2008, 12:19 PM
Though a bit off topic and unrelated regarding the recent developments, BCB should also add this bit in "what we should do now" category with the few ' to do list' provided by the future ex-president of BCB!

Eleven : Strengthen the anti-corruption policies. I know ICC has clear guidelines but knowing what we know about our sleep walking BCB honchos, it is not outside the realm of probabilities that some one in the past or in the future have indulged in match fixing. One can't simply rule it out with the flimsy ground of patriotism. Money has the potential to corrupt. Players obviously has contacts with various Indian agents ( not saying all of them are crooked ) and in the past we have seen how some big name players from wealthy nations has forgone everything with the lure of extra money. If a situation like that arise in the future, and we have players involved in it, I just don't want us to be unprepared like they were in the exodus incident. So, be pro-active with that regard as well, even if that has nothing to do with this episode.

Zeeshan
September 16, 2008, 12:41 PM
Beamer bhai if you run for president i wanna be your running mate.... Beamer-Gopal '08

our slogan, "Change- we need some on our tray badly."

Bengaliprince176
September 16, 2008, 01:13 PM
the BCB should give the finger to BCCI.......and say no we will not stop these players, i dont think BCB have much to lose by doing this. BCCI have been playing politics in the sly, but the funny thing is, everyone knows BCCI is acting like a bully to others. If BCB or any other for that matter, openly confronts BCCI on this issue, (and not just do a little whine like ECB attempted to do), who knows what will happen.