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betaar
January 26, 2009, 06:03 PM
I know this subject matter may be premature or a waste of time depending on the outcome of the much awaited IPL auction for our beloved BD players but it’s begging to be discussed. The answer of the afore-mentioned question should very much dictate whether or not we should welcome or reject IPL auction.

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If Shakib or any one from BD gets picked for a huge chunk of change then

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IPL contract is a huge reward for their hard work and when rewarded everyone tries to do even better.<o:p></o:p>
If one gets rewarded for his hard work then the rest will only try to play catch up which will create competition and better performance.<o:p></o:p>
Everyone also seems to do better when a role model is found, Shakib’s inclusion in IPL could be a catalyst as such.<o:p></o:p>
IPL contract may also result in a lack of interest for ICL amongst other BD players stopping the exodus. (which is a wrong label)<o:p></o:p>
The exposure to such competition will teach our developing cricketers’ the skill, technique and the mental strength from the high-pressure that such short form of cricket has to offer.<o:p></o:p>
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The huge pay day can also be detrimental to this young minds who may get the “king of the world” feeling and become complacent.<o:p></o:p>
Their commitment to IPL could be short but it could very well take the responsibility or commintment away from the national matches where pride and glory form most part of their paycheck.<o:p></o:p>
They may not even do their 100% on the field trying to keep them injury free to keep the IPL contract intact and paycheck coming.
(depending on how many) Their absence from the NCL due to their involvement in IPL may have an adverse effect to the overall quality of the league and thus loosing interest for the local spectators and clubs.
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So I guess the answer to my own question is rather leaning toward the positive outcome of the IPL but some of you may argue and we are all ears to hear them. Please bring it on………..<o:p></o:p>

nycpro96
January 26, 2009, 06:15 PM
There are definetly both pros and cons but if the boys can earn success and still have national duty in mind it should be a good thing

Gowza
January 26, 2009, 07:43 PM
i reckon it will be a good thing because if they get picked up by an IPL team then if they want to keep their spot and if they want to keep their value up then they're going to have to perform. plus they'll be around some really good cricketers which imo can only help them develop better.

cricket_king
January 26, 2009, 07:48 PM
Foe.

sbsash
January 26, 2009, 08:08 PM
BCB will think it as a foe but its really a friend becuase IPL will improve our players.

Tigers_eye
January 26, 2009, 08:10 PM
Big time Foe.

For our boys I am against all kind of T20 games. Emnei impatient. If they play more of these sort of jodi laigga jai matches they will be soon follow their T20 performance in test. Which in clear words will out in one session.

Ajfar
January 26, 2009, 09:11 PM
it will most likely hurt us..our players are already T-20 experts...we need reliable responsible player..not dhum dharakka type players..but ipl is here to stay and there isn't much we can do about it..

bharat
January 26, 2009, 09:19 PM
Big time Foe.

For our boys I am against all kind of T20 games. Emnei impatient. If they play more of these sort of jodi laigga jai matches they will be soon follow their T20 performance in test. Which in clear words will out in one session.

Tigers_eye , you are giving 20-20 more credit that it deserves.Players wont change overnight.ODI cricket has improoved the quality of Test cricket over the years and the same will happen with 20-20.

I am not a big fan of 20-20 not because its going to diminish the quality of cricket (I think it will improove) but rather it might slowly kill Test cricket by virtue of its popularity.

If you look at the people who shined in last IPL or the 20-20 WC you would see that only good players have succeeded ..

There was a dicsussion on slogging in another thread ..sloggers will not succeed any form even in 20-20 , they might have a good innings here are there (which is true in ODI and tests) but will eventually fail.

Shewag and Ghambir are good in all forms so will Marsh and Watson.Class players will succeed in any format.The only thing I see different in this format is that this game is a young mans game, its hard to see the old timers tailor their game to this new format.This happened when ODI's were first introduced.Its more to do with adapting to the format than anything else.

Gowza
January 26, 2009, 09:41 PM
t20 cricket is alot about doing the basics right imo, sure sloggers will do ok, better than in other versions but you can still perform well in t20 cricket by batting with true cricket shots and bowling in the right area's (i'd say the best t20 players are the ones who do this the best).

Dhruvo
January 26, 2009, 09:59 PM
BCB will think it as a foe but its really a friend becuase IPL will improve our players.
Disagree with that part, if they think it is a foe then why didnt they stoip razzak from joining IPL ? anyways IMHO it is a friend as it will give a better exposure to our players and they will be around good cricketers form whom they can get a few tips or two .

BD Tigers
January 26, 2009, 10:08 PM
Just like Mr. Anderson said in Matrix, IPL (not 20/20) is a DISEASE. Money making machine which will kill the real cricket - TEST.

sbsash
January 26, 2009, 10:12 PM
Disagree with that part, if they think it is a foe then why didnt they stoip razzak from joining IPL ? anyways IMHO it is a friend as it will give a better exposure to our players and they will be around good cricketers form whom they can get a few tips or two .

maybe because he was a key player.But why did they ban the ICL players then?

Tehsin
January 26, 2009, 10:40 PM
ICL will not help our cricketers. What our cricketers need is more 3-4 day matches so they can work on their application. 20/20 is parar cricket with a little bit of class (depending on the quality of the player) and a lot of entertainment.

cricket_king
January 26, 2009, 10:51 PM
Disagree with that part, if they think it is a foe then why didnt they stoip razzak from joining IPL ? anyways IMHO it is a friend as it will give a better exposure to our players and they will be around good cricketers form whom they can get a few tips or two .

I don't see what 'tips' they're going to get. Tips on playing twenty20 cricket? Absolutely useless.

cricket_king
January 26, 2009, 10:52 PM
maybe because he was a key player.But why did they ban the ICL players then?

Uhh....because it was a forbidden league? /:)

Spitfire_x86
January 26, 2009, 11:16 PM
Friend. They won't get another similar chance to play 2 months in a row against quality oppositions while being part of a quality team. It should also equip them to handle pressure situations better.

In terms of quality, ODI is probably the worst among Test, ODI and T20. Compared to ODIs, there's far less room to succeed while being mediocre in the highest and most basic forms of the game.

AsifTheManRahman
January 27, 2009, 01:13 AM
Friend. They won't get another similar chance to play 2 months in a row against quality oppositions while being part of a quality team. It should also equip them to handle pressure situations better.

In terms of quality, ODI is probably the worst among Test, ODI and T20. Compared to ODIs, there's far less room to succeed while being mediocre in the highest and most basic forms of the game.
Word for word. If T20's are going to replace anything, it'll be the ODI's.

Tehsin
January 27, 2009, 01:50 AM
I'm more worried about test cricket then ODIs. The thrill of BANG BOOM cricket will definitely keep lots of folks excited and even ODIs will be considered too long for them. BD batsmen already prefer to play 20/20 in ODIs. However, test and quality cricket will probably be the biggest loser. It is what it is. Dukkho koreo luv nei.

Word for word. If T20's are going to replace anything, it'll be the ODI's.

BANFAN
January 27, 2009, 02:40 AM
One can't kill another one, it can only contribute. This debate is as old as 'Juta Abishkar'. Natural resistance only. 20 can help test cricket to improve further, just like ODIs have improved the standard of test cricket. ICC went upto banning the ODIs & players with same reasons, but ultimately we have seen that it didn't kill test cricket rathar improved. We see more decisions in test cricket, better runrates & chases. So one form of cricket will never kill another format of cricket, it will only help to improve.

Bonus, the playes are getting more money, the boards are having an opportunity of making more money from 20-20 tournaments, that brings more money into cricket, so cricket is benefitted. Chartable sports don't progress in these days, it has to be economically profitable to improve a game.

So just relax and enjoy some T20 boom boom occassionally, good for mind, soul & health.

betaar
January 27, 2009, 10:40 AM
I don't understand how some of you don’t want to acknowledge the valuable learning sessions they will get by either playing or being in the same dressing room from great players of IPL. Surely everyone gets to learn few tricks in a series from a great player even when they play against each other but if they play for the same team, don’t you think a great player such as Warne will have few things to teach to a fellow player (that may or may not be Shakib)?
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So I guess I’m gonna have to go with IPL on this topic as we are not arguing whether they are good for the world cricket rather BD cricket and it’s cricketers. <o:p></o:p>

abz_786
January 27, 2009, 11:29 AM
ICL will not help our cricketers. What our cricketers need is more 3-4 day matches so they can work on their application. 20/20 is parar cricket with a little bit of class (depending on the quality of the player) and a lot of entertainment.

yes bro your right i agree with you

mijanur
January 27, 2009, 11:33 AM
it will teach them,

Baundule
January 27, 2009, 04:14 PM
I think IPL has improved the overall quality of Indian Cricket. There is no reason why it should not do the same for BD cricket as well.

I have gone through the Cons list from betaar. But the solution lies in itself. As it is evident from the ürevious season that to get selected in the playing XI,our players will have to perform when they get the slighest of chances. So, they are bound to perform and they will get kicked, if they do not play professionally. They will be playing for and against the bests of the world. This experience is sure to help them, while playing for Bangladesh.

nycpro96
January 27, 2009, 04:26 PM
it will be a good thing if the boys play well and learn from peers

djnaved
January 27, 2009, 05:07 PM
amgo playerra cricketer basic e jane na abar IPL khelbo?

Dhruvo
January 27, 2009, 06:24 PM
I don't see what 'tips' they're going to get. Tips on playing twenty20 cricket? Absolutely useless.
No not only in T20 but the game itself.

Dhruvo
January 27, 2009, 06:25 PM
maybe because he was a key player.But why did they ban the ICL players then?
ICL isnt IPL , they are two different leagues. Dont you know about this ? lol

nycpro96
January 27, 2009, 06:28 PM
ICL isnt IPL , they are two different leagues. Dont you know about this ? lol

lolz:lol:

cricket_king
January 27, 2009, 08:08 PM
No not only in T20 but the game itself.

What else are they going to be learning? Honestly, it's a competition in itself, and so all the teams will be in a competitive mood. They aren't going to find time in training sessions to just relax and give pointers on anything besides the competition itself - which is twenty20 cricket.

nycpro96
January 27, 2009, 08:38 PM
they can learn the game better from the world class batsman and bowlers that all play in ipl. almost every good player plays in ipl

BANFAN
January 28, 2009, 02:06 AM
The biggest lesson they are going to get is, "T20 isn't about blind hitting" that many of the writers even here are trying to say like some of our players. Sensible hitting helps in any form of cricket.

Not to forget 'The ability to manage pressure' is a huge mental aspect necessary in any form of cricket.

CholCholBD
January 28, 2009, 03:11 AM
"The only way good players can become great is to play the best in the best fights in the biggest arenas"


Remember that before your next comment.

Tigers_eye
January 28, 2009, 08:34 AM
Tigers_eye , you are giving 20-20 more credit that it deserves.Players wont change overnight.ODI cricket has improoved the quality of Test cricket over the years and the same will happen with 20-20.

I am not a big fan of 20-20 not because its going to diminish the quality of cricket (I think it will improove) but rather it might slowly kill Test cricket by virtue of its popularity.

If you look at the people who shined in last IPL or the 20-20 WC you would see that only good players have succeeded ..

Shewag and Ghambir are good in all forms so will Marsh and Watson.Class players will succeed in any format.The only thing I see different in this format is that this game is a young mans game, its hard to see the old timers tailor their game to this new format.This happened when ODI's were first introduced.Its more to do with adapting to the format than anything else.
Thanks for replying and few others too. There is big part that most of you are over looking.
1) Rest of the world.
2) And there is Bangladesh.

1) already knows how to play longer version of the game. WE DON"T. So the worry of T20 killing the world cricket is abserd. However, T20 will not enable BD players to learn what they are trying to learn which the longer version of the game. Or atleast delay the learning process.

Ghambir and Shewag mentioned here are already good test cricketer. Playing T20 will not make them forget how to build an inning brick by brick. On the other hand, T20 may not allow Bd players learn how to hold a brick let alone use the head to set it up with the cement to build a wall.

I don't understand how some of you don’t want to acknowledge the valuable learning sessions...
Dear Betaar,
"Need" or "want"? Which one you satisfy first? I would presume "Need" first.

What does BD Cricket NEED in the long-run and in the short-run? If your answer is any where near to "learning to play the longer version of the game" or "get a win or two in Test cricket" or "some respectable draws" then you have hit the jack pot.

If these boys are let to play T20 cricket instead of 3/4 days matches then their learning process will be much longer to meet the needs of Bd Cricket. That is why I prefer County cricket over IPL. Not for the money part but to gain the know-how.

Hope you understand now that valuable experience will only hinder their growth. We are talking about 20-25 year olds here Not 28-35 year olds.

Anywhere in T20 if one teach patience to the players then I will stop saying what I am saying. As for the bowling experience in the death or blah blah, Geez folks!! What are the need of BD cricket? Bowling or batting? Prioritize your need first. Try to fix which is broken not the one which is working some what well.

nycpro96
January 28, 2009, 09:41 AM
The biggest lesson they are going to get is, "T20 isn't about blind hitting" that many of the writers even here are trying to say like some of our players. Sensible hitting helps in any form of cricket.

Not to forget 'The ability to manage pressure' is a huge mental aspect necessary in any form of cricket.
exactly

al Furqaan
January 28, 2009, 10:56 AM
i have to agree with tigers_eye.

i cannot for the world of me understand some people's infatuation with 20-20 cricket. real cricket fans should know better. the masses will jump for it cuz it provies cheap transient thrills.

in my opinion, comparing 20-20 cricket to tests (and to a lesser, but still relevent extent ODIs) is like comparing a one night stand with a hooker to a (happy) marriage.

nycpro96
January 28, 2009, 11:27 AM
i have to agree with tigers_eye.

i cannot for the world of me understand some people's infatuation with 20-20 cricket. real cricket fans should know better. the masses will jump for it cuz it provies cheap transient thrills.

in my opinion, comparing 20-20 cricket to tests (and to a lesser, but still relevent extent ODIs) is like comparing a one night stand with a hooker to a (happy) marriage.

:lol:

Tigers_eye
January 28, 2009, 12:01 PM
Final nail in the coffin.

When ODI was introduced there was a saying something to this line;

"All good test players can adapt One day games, Not all good one day players can adapt test games."

(You can knock Gavaskar, the One-day player as much as you want to but he did score a century before he retired - there were no minnows at that time)

Patience is some thing that can not be learnt in few days. In test, patience is tested as a bowler and as a batsman. In one day, that patience has been curtailed to some extent. In T20 that patience is not needed. Matter of fact, that patience will ruin the win column (ask Australia vs Zim).

T20 tournaments are fine for other established nations. Very harmful for BD cricket and its young players who as of now don't know how to play "test". Our existence in cricket world depends on how we do in Test cricket not in T20.

"A good Test player can adapt the T20 format eventually but successful T20 players who struggles at the longer version can not adapt Test matches."

Rabz
January 28, 2009, 12:48 PM
A Big Friend.
Period.

Spitfire_x86
January 28, 2009, 12:57 PM
i cannot for the world of me understand some people's infatuation with 20-20 cricket. real cricket fans should know better. the masses will jump for it cuz it provies cheap transient thrills.
Despite not being a T20 fan (and IPL), the cricket fan in me knows that quality of cricket in IPL is better than the quality of cricket we've seen in the just finished BD vs Zim series.

LateCut
January 28, 2009, 01:14 PM
ICL got 15 or so and IPL may get two. Now figure who will be the darling of the players on the fence. If, I were a Rubel or Mahmudullah, I would fancy my chances with ICL. BCB should recognize ICL and move forward.

Nafi
January 28, 2009, 02:21 PM
At the end of the day, batting whether it be in any format is the same thing over and over again, its just hitting the ball with the middle of the bat.

betaar
January 28, 2009, 02:31 PM
If these boys are let to play T20 cricket instead of 3/4 days matches then their learning process will be much longer to meet the needs of Bd Cricket. That is why I prefer County cricket over IPL. Not for the money part but to gain the know-how.


TE, I do not disagree with your post a single bit, no only objection I have is bolded, "instead of". I never said T20 is better than County nor have I compared it with any other form of cricket. Surley county is better, but who says these players are declining county offers for IPL? I don't know of any such news, do you? But isn't IPL contract better than nothing (and I am not talking financially) or even playing in NCL where none of the national players actually perform? :-/

betaar
January 28, 2009, 02:38 PM
i have to agree with tigers_eye.

i cannot for the world of me understand some people's infatuation with 20-20 cricket. real cricket fans should know better. the masses will jump for it cuz it provies cheap transient thrills.

in my opinion, comparing 20-20 cricket to tests (and to a lesser, but still relevent extent ODIs) is like comparing a one night stand with a hooker to a (happy) marriage.

Nobody or at least I didn't compare T20 with test......the question is not even which format will help BD cricket rather whether IPL will help BD cricket or harm it.

On the side note, wouldn't you rather have a very pleasurable one night stand where you are highly paid than go back to a bumpy marraige that only causes you heartache? :-p

karimjay.
January 29, 2009, 06:35 AM
not a foe.

this is how our players play. this is the way cricket is going, it is the age of hitters.

they won't stop trying to be hitters. its better for them to practise hitting in the ipl and perfecting it for our national team rather than continuing to hit without skill in our bangladeshi outfit.

Tigers_eye
January 29, 2009, 09:58 AM
... But isn't IPL contract better than nothing (and I am not talking financially) or even playing in NCL where none of the national players actually perform? :-/
I agree to disagree with you.

"Dustu goru'r (No pun intended to G) cheye shunno goaal bhalo."

IPL (Any T20 tourney) will teach our batsmen bad things. Will erase the word "patience" from their vocabulary and force them to play no footwork ura-dhura, andha-gunda shots. That is what T20 is all about. Geared towards cheap entertainment for the (I have no time) fans. You love the game you make time.

The format that will hurt these boys learning process of the longer version of the game can only be seen as "evil" to me. My loyalty lies with the team first (Test team first). It is better for them to even sit out and not play at all (rest). - my thoughts.

County contract will come if these boys practice any sort of patience.

betaar
January 29, 2009, 11:38 AM
I agree to disagree with you.

"Dustu goru'r (No pun intended to G) cheye shunno goaal bhalo."



I respectfully disagree, nothing compares to an actual match experience (even if it's 20-20) is better than a 10-12 hour long batting or bowling session in the nets, needless to say just sitting around which you are referring to as "Shunno Goaal".

Tigers_eye
January 29, 2009, 11:53 AM
Chris Board and few other blokes have the right idea. For good reason they are skipping IPL.

Hypothetically, our boys are class 9-10 students going to village schools. Some have the maturity of college students. The world cricket established players are similar to Harvard students or graduates. Instead of sending our boys to work, I ask them to apply for IVY league schools. In course of time they will have a better chance of succeeding. IPL is a diploma mill.

Now there are some exceptions like Bill Gates (Sobers type). They are the college dropouts. I wonder how many we have in our (BD players) ranks.

SS
January 29, 2009, 12:04 PM
Chris Board and few other blokes have the right idea. For good reason they are skipping IPL.

Hypothetically, our boys are class 9-10 students going to village schools. Some have the maturity of college students. The world cricket established players are similar to Harvard students or graduates. Instead of sending our boys to work, I ask them to apply for IVY league schools. In course of time they will have a better chance of succeeding. IPL is a diploma mill.

Now there are some exceptions like Bill Gates (Sobers type). They are the college dropouts. I wonder how many we have in our (BD players) ranks.

NADA...none...good example...

IPL might give them opportunity to play against quality players but the money impact might destroy this young mind. I would request the players (if they read BC) to understand about the consequences and think serously about their career.

Spitfire_x86
January 29, 2009, 12:49 PM
Hypothetically, our boys are class 9-10 students going to village schools. Some have the maturity of college students. The world cricket established players are similar to Harvard students or graduates. Instead of sending our boys to work, I ask them to apply for IVY league schools. In course of time they will have a better chance of succeeding. IPL is a diploma mill.

Now there are some exceptions like Bill Gates (Sobers type). They are the college dropouts. I wonder how many we have in our (BD players) ranks.
I feel I'm a bit more qualified to talk about "diploma mills", after all I was part of one. A school is only as good as it's students are. Fill the IPL with Dhaka Premier League players, and the cricket you will see won't be any better than Dhaka Premier League cricket.