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tiger1000
February 3, 2009, 11:56 AM
i personally dont think that there is alot of difference between ICL and IPL. does any of you think that the players should be banned because there playing for ICL. banning players doesnt help bangladesh progress in cricket and i dont see how ICL can cause problems to bangladesh the only country that i think ICL effects badly is india.

Do you think theres a difference between ICL and IPL furthermore do you thing ICL effects bangladesh in a bad way. i think ICL helps the players play more aggresivley so i think it helps the players in the shorter versions of the game.

Nadim
February 3, 2009, 12:28 PM
i don't think ICL affected BD at all..since those player gone in ICL we player better cricket in both test and ODI......

Shaan
February 3, 2009, 12:31 PM
well ICL didn't effect drastically or visibly in Bd team but it would have been very nice to have some of those guys back who really performed in ICLvery well.

Mahmood
February 3, 2009, 12:33 PM
If anyone can create tournaments that will take such revenue like ICL does, any board will have problem to find sponsors. IPL may have been a success, but India is 70% market for cricket revenues. Other boards will have much harder time. Also, the national board maintains calender so there is no conflict, but a 3rd party tournament will create conflict of interest who is paid much more playing tournaments like ICL. So ICC implied, as long as that country board allows it, its okey, but if it does not allow, its illegal to play in those tournaments.

Pakistan board banned its players based on that, and now awaiting clarification from ICC on this. If ICC has no problem, then PCB will lift the ban and many other countries, including Bangladesh may follow. But untill its clear, boards can not risk breaking ICC policy.

If you feel, even if the policy stays such and BCB should still let them play in domestic leagues, that also creates problem, as more players may go to ICL, as they will only give up right to play for the national team, but can still use BCB facilities and play local cricket and make money. And we will end up with weaker and weaker national team.

So at this point, we should keep banning them untill ICC changes its stand.

bdchamp20
February 3, 2009, 12:39 PM
In the long term and the broader picture this is obviously hurting Bangladeshi cricket. Domestic cricket is much much weaker. Most of the players in the current team don't have any back-ups. If someone gets injured or has a horrific slump in form we will have to call a new player who most likely isn't ready for International cricket. ''A'' team will be much weaker and so will the Academy. Plus if we have them back no one will take their places for granted and will always be under pressure to perform. Two of the players can be potential captaincy options. Bashar and Rafique can perform mentoring roles. All in all Bangladesh cricket is basically cutting itself by continuing this idiotic ban to please someone else. It has no benefits for us.

nycpro96
February 3, 2009, 04:04 PM
i don't think ICL affected BD at all..since those player gone in ICL we player better cricket in both test and ODI......

exactly my point. they left by free will for money and left their country. thats their choice and they dont deserve another chance.

mij
February 3, 2009, 05:42 PM
exactly my point. they left by free will for money and left their country. thats their choice and they dont deserve another chance.

Thats true

Tigers_eye
February 3, 2009, 05:48 PM
... i think ICL helps the players play more aggresivley so i think it helps the players in the shorter versions of the game.
And that is why I dislike ICL and IPL. How much more aggressive players you guys want in BD national team? Now we are crossing 120. Soon with all boom boom type players that will be 50 all out team or one session team in test.

By the way, IMO, this thread needs to be redirected to another Sub-forum.

tonoy
February 3, 2009, 05:54 PM
No it doesn't Tiger's Eye. It has every right to be in the BD section. We are not talking of some foreign players here, we are talking about players that has represented BD and will represent BD in the future. It has everything to do with Bangladesh cricket.

Roni_uk
February 3, 2009, 05:55 PM
is this poll going to BCB?

Purbasha T
February 3, 2009, 07:36 PM
c'mooon! it's so easy just to point at them saying 'rajakar'; did anyone see what the reasons were? We guys, eating in dad's hotel 7 times a day, having a life of princes, do most of us who're talking think of anything else; but those people? they've got loads of things to think about, financial stuff, their future and things....just the emotion of playing for BD isn't going to be enough for them to survive, ....you might say wat abt the rest of the players? well, they didn't; maybe bcoz their situations wer different...c'mon letz not think one dimensionally

SS
February 3, 2009, 07:45 PM
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If you feel, even if the policy stays such and BCB should still let them play in domestic leagues, that also creates problem, as more players may go to ICL, as they will only give up right to play for the national team, but can still use BCB facilities and play local cricket and make money. And we will end up with weaker and weaker national team.

So at this point, we should keep banning them untill ICC changes its stand.

Naked truth very well put by Mahmood bhai...we could face huge deficiency in pipeline players

Tigers_eye
February 3, 2009, 08:44 PM
No it doesn't Tiger's Eye. It has every right to be in the BD section. We are not talking of some foreign players here, we are talking about players that has represented BD and will represent BD in the future. It has everything to do with Bangladesh cricket.
That is your opinion.

After all we are talking about ICL players, correct? We have ICL Sub-forum. Then what is the use of having that? Instead of trying to get more hits, simply answer the question and you will know if the thread belongs here or not.

Umar
February 3, 2009, 08:52 PM
Although we don't feel the difference
i would still say we lost players like AFTAB...NAZIMUDDIN...ALOK...MOSHARRAF and in Some extent SHAHREER NAFIS and DHIMAN.

arifbd
February 3, 2009, 08:56 PM
If you feel, even if the policy stays such and BCB should still let them play in domestic leagues, that also creates problem, as more players may go to ICL, as they will only give up right to play for the national team, but can still use BCB facilities and play local cricket and make money. And we will end up with weaker and weaker national team.


i agree with this but the BD people in the ICL should be given a chance to come back like Alok Kapli and Nafees. but the BCB should still ban the ICL. it might attract more of BD's players to go and play there.
by the way, how long are the contract of the BD players in the ICL. i bet the ICL isnt going to renew their contract once its ends

arifbd
February 3, 2009, 09:02 PM
[বাংলা]the ICL is the same as the IPL but if BD lifts the ban more of the domestic players are going to go there. the IPL is more competitive. there is more money involved in the IPL. THe BD players in the ICL also get paid less the IPL players so the ICL is likely to pick even the stupid players of BD like HAbibul Bashar[/বাংলা]

tiger_club
February 3, 2009, 09:05 PM
money talks here.. if BCB can't make any money from ICL why would they bother? those players had damn good reason to leave their country and again it was about money.. you tell me why we're so poor? when you have big family to support and you're out of form... that could be real disaster...

sbsash
February 3, 2009, 10:08 PM
No,ICL players should not be banned.We can't afford to lose any players at this stage.My reasons... Sakib(don't ban him because he's world's best all rounder).Tamim(only good opener BD has).Ashraful(Can afford to lose him but who will take over captaincy?).Mashrafe(Best pacer and we need him badly in the team).Get my point?

sbsash
February 3, 2009, 10:14 PM
I know if the players go to IPL,they can't play for BD for a while but if you ban them,they can't play for years and whats going to happen in those years?Who will be the captain?Everyone else in the team is too young to be captain.We can replace Mashrafe with Rubel and Mahbubul but Who will replace Sakib?You can replace Tamim with Junaid and Imrul,but they probably won't do as well as if Tamim was there.

kalpurush
February 3, 2009, 10:18 PM
If anyone can create tournaments that will take such revenue like ICL does, any board will have problem to find sponsors. IPL may have been a success, but India is 70% market for cricket revenues. Other boards will have much harder time. Also, the national board maintains calender so there is no conflict, but a 3rd party tournament will create conflict of interest who is paid much more playing tournaments like ICL. So ICC implied, as long as that country board allows it, its okey, but if it does not allow, its illegal to play in those tournaments.

Pakistan board banned its players based on that, and now awaiting clarification from ICC on this. If ICC has no problem, then PCB will lift the ban and many other countries, including Bangladesh may follow. But untill its clear, boards can not risk breaking ICC policy.

If you feel, even if the policy stays such and BCB should still let them play in domestic leagues, that also creates problem, as more players may go to ICL, as they will only give up right to play for the national team, but can still use BCB facilities and play local cricket and make money. And we will end up with weaker and weaker national team.

So at this point, we should keep banning them untill ICC changes its stand.
Agreed...

djnaved
February 3, 2009, 10:39 PM
exactly my point. they left by free will for money and left their country. thats their choice and they dont deserve another chance.

wth? u r thinking in one side way.......if a bd player gets offer from a english county team with high salaries( khawa thaka free, gari bari free)..and that guy left the country to play county cricket...what u gonna say that? county legal? icl illegal?

if u think in another way, ICL is just the hindi version of 20-20 county cricket..icl got problems with bcci, not icc.....ei simple beparta na bhuje apnara jodi bolen icl nishiddho league...tatea bhoja jachhe amader desh koto unnotomaner......

Murad
February 3, 2009, 11:11 PM
Originally Posted by Nasif
Yesterday on ZeeSports they had a quite a long interview with Shahreer Nafees and his wife; in English produced by ZeeSports. It was kind of get to know Nafees and his wife. Nafees' wife talked about lot of things about how they met each other as well as life as a cricketer's wife. She speaks quite good english, better than Nafees I would say.

The thing that pissed me off is when Nafees said: "ICL is the best the thing that has ever happened to me!"

Playing for BD should be the best thing that has ever happened to you.

I wanted to see Nafees back in the national team and open the innings in all version with Tamim but I have changed my mind after reading this post by Nasif bhai (in the ICL sub forum).

He shouldn't be anywhere near the national team again. We don't need players who sell their souls for money.

Murad
February 3, 2009, 11:14 PM
wth? u r thinking in one side way.......if a bd player gets offer from a english county team with high salaries( khawa thaka free, gari bari free)..and that guy left the country to play county cricket...what u gonna say that? county legal? icl illegal?

if u think in another way, ICL is just the hindi version of 20-20 county cricket..icl got problems with bcci, not icc.....ei simple beparta na bhuje apnara jodi bolen icl nishiddho league...tatea bhoja jachhe amader desh koto unnotomaner......

Naved read Mahmood bhai's post few posts above yours. He explained it nicely.

djnaved
February 4, 2009, 12:25 AM
If you feel, even if the policy stays such and BCB should still let them play in domestic leagues, that also creates problem, as more players may go to ICL, as they will only give up right to play for the national team, but can still use BCB facilities and play local cricket and make money. And we will end up with weaker and weaker national team.

So at this point, we should keep banning them untill ICC changes its stand.

beofre icl/ipl..what was it? county cricket! right? players from different countries go to england, and play county their....they still use their board's facilities...but now, only few percent of in'tl players are interested about county....players now look for icl/ipl.......if ecb had problems with county league...so u gonna ban the county? i don't think so....the only decision maker is icc...if they say yes, then it's yes, if they say no, then it's no..if ecb did that, then other players from other could play county, but the players from england couldn't play county.....so bcci banned icl, that means only indians players can't play icl, if they play, they will be banned....players from other countries will not be banned, because they are not the part of bcci....icc is the main controller of all the cricket boards...it's like u can ban ur own country players, but u can't ban other foreign players....u don't have rights to do that...icc does

zainab
February 4, 2009, 07:36 AM
I think that it is shameful that BCB bowed down to India to ban these players for 10 years. It should have been 5 yrs. What is india doing in return to help BD cricket? So far I have not heard of anything. Look at the cheap price they have placed on the IPL auction of Sakib, Ash, Mash and Tamim. Players who are not that good from SL, WI, SA, England and Australia are going at a higher price. This is a real mockery.

Mahmood
February 4, 2009, 08:54 AM
beofre icl/ipl..what was it? county cricket! right? players from different countries go to england, and play county their....they still use their board's facilities...but now, only few percent of in'tl players are interested about county....players now look for icl/ipl.......if ecb had problems with county league...so u gonna ban the county? i don't think so....the only decision maker is icc...if they say yes, then it's yes, if they say no, then it's no..if ecb did that, then other players from other could play county, but the players from england couldn't play county.....so bcci banned icl, that means only indians players can't play icl, if they play, they will be banned....players from other countries will not be banned, because they are not the part of bcci....icc is the main controller of all the cricket boards...it's like u can ban ur own country players, but u can't ban other foreign players....u don't have rights to do that...icc does

County is a tournament approved by ECB, thus ICC, and it requires you to get clearance from your board to play. So there is no conflict. If any board feels the player will be needed in the national team, they either does not give the clearance or allow them to play few matches.

Players going to ICL do not have the clearance. None never had.

Nafi
February 4, 2009, 09:43 AM
County is a tournament approved by ECB, thus ICC, and it requires you to get clearance from your board to play. So there is no conflict. If any board feels the player will be needed in the national team, they either does not give the clearance or allow them to play few matches.

Players going to ICL do not have the clearance. None never had.

by that logic, any players under contract by their respective boards could not play for their local club.

Mahmood
February 4, 2009, 10:30 AM
I am surprised you did not know this. The local leagues/tournaments are done under the organization of BCB, the local clubs are bound to let them go to play for National team when called, you may have noticed our national players only played few matches in the NCL until called for national duty.

If you dig the forum, you may find how Masrafee and Razzak got in trouble for playing local match without BCB permission.

tiger1000
February 4, 2009, 10:50 AM
And that is why I dislike ICL and IPL. How much more aggressive players you guys want in BD national team? Now we are crossing 120. Soon with all boom boom type players that will be 50 all out team or one session team in test.

By the way, IMO, this thread needs to be redirected to another Sub-forum.

in 50/50 overs they can get more time to settle in but when they need to attack they will be better at doing so.

Alok kaplai improved his batting alot in ICL and his shots were not slogs. he played well timed shots. he can played well timed shots in 50 over games, he doesnt have to slog

mijanur
February 4, 2009, 11:03 AM
nope we play better wivout them

SS
February 4, 2009, 11:36 AM
I wanted to see Nafees back in the national team and open the innings in all version with Tamim but I have changed my mind after reading this post by Nasif bhai (in the ICL sub forum).

He shouldn't be anywhere near the national team again. We don't need players who sell their souls for money.

Did he really say that....ah well people are more money hungry than patriotic nowadays...but this is not a good sign

Tigers_eye
February 4, 2009, 12:58 PM
And that is why I dislike ICL and IPL. How much more aggressive players you guys want in BD national team? Now we are crossing 120. Soon with all boom boom type players that will be 50 all out team or one session team in test.

By the way, IMO, this thread needs to be redirected to another Sub-forum.
in 50/50 overs they can get more time to settle in but when they need to attack they will be better at doing so.

Alok kaplai improved his batting alot in ICL and his shots were not slogs. he played well timed shots. he can played well timed shots in 50 over games, he doesnt have to slog
I don't what you meant by saying all that and quoting me but in any form you are suggesting T20 allows batsmen to laern real cricket then ...

And who really cares about T20 and 50/50? We get to play other nations because of our TEST STATUS. We get all the money from ICC, sponsors because of our TEST STATUS. We are here discussing ab-jab because of our TEST STATUS. You guys still don't get it? T20 allows batsmen to skip all the technic and go for all or go broke. Gambling is bad. T20 batting is gambling for our players who don't know the basic of being patience.
OUT OF HOW MANY TEST???
We have only one win to show for against a weak Zim team and how proud are you for that?

We have one genuine draw against WI to show for how proud are you for that?

Test is everything. Our online board, our BCB, our dream, our stadiums, our everything. Don't promote something that will delay our learning to be a better test nation. 80% members here would trade all the ODI winnings for that one test win against Australia or South Africa. By fluke or because of opponents not feeling that a weaker team (associate) can beat a stronger team (test) in ODIs or T20.

Winning test is no fluke. That seperates men from the boys. That means you have arrived.

bdchamp20
February 4, 2009, 03:06 PM
T_E bhai it's not like we are the only country playing T20 is it? Every country is going through the T20 revolution. T20 is here and it will stay, some people need to accept this fact. And modern cricketers will have to adapt to this to survive in International cricket.

Yes you are right in saying that Test status brings the money and interest but T20 has the potential to take cricket to newer and bigger heights not only for Bangladesh but for every cricketing nation.

djnaved
February 4, 2009, 03:28 PM
County is a tournament approved by ECB, thus ICC, and it requires you to get clearance from your board to play. So there is no conflict. If any board feels the player will be needed in the national team, they either does not give the clearance or allow them to play few matches.

Players going to ICL do not have the clearance. None never had.

now u'r on the right track...........

ICL is not approved by bcci, but approved by icc...thus means if indian players play in icl, then they will be banned by bcci, but in case of foreign players, the decision taker is icc..not bcci...so whether it's approved by icc, foreign players can't be banned...now, 14-17 players can play for an icl team..so that doesn't mean tht all the bangladeshi players are gonna look for icl...if board feels the player will be needed in the national team, then that icl player will be replaced by another player who is not in the national team...if u think in a county formula...u will see the same result.....again, the main decision taker is icc, not bcci...icc has the power to ban foriegn players, not bcci....

arifbd
February 4, 2009, 06:23 PM
And who really cares about T20 and 50/50? We get to play other nations because of our TEST STATUS. We get all the money from ICC, sponsors because of our TEST STATUS. We are here discussing ab-jab because of our TEST STATUS. You guys still don't get it? T20 allows batsmen to skip all the technic and go for all or go broke. Gambling is bad. T20 batting is gambling for our players who don't know the basic of being patience.
OUT OF HOW MANY TEST???
We have only one win to show for against a weak Zim team and how proud are you for that?

We have one genuine draw against WI to show for how proud are you for that?

Test is everything. Our online board, our BCB, our dream, our stadiums, our everything. Don't promote something that will delay our learning to be a better test nation. 80% members here would trade all the ODI winnings for that one test win against Australia or South Africa. By fluke or because of opponents not feeling that a weaker team (associate) can beat a stronger team (test) in ODIs or T20.

Winning test is no fluke. That seperates men from the boys. That means you have arrived.
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nicely said. i totally agree with u TIrgers EYE>

nycpro96
February 4, 2009, 07:03 PM
I don't what you meant by saying all that and quoting me but in any form you are suggesting T20 allows batsmen to laern real cricket then ...

And who really cares about T20 and 50/50? We get to play other nations because of our TEST STATUS. We get all the money from ICC, sponsors because of our TEST STATUS. We are here discussing ab-jab because of our TEST STATUS. You guys still don't get it? T20 allows batsmen to skip all the technic and go for all or go broke. Gambling is bad. T20 batting is gambling for our players who don't know the basic of being patience.
OUT OF HOW MANY TEST???
We have only one win to show for against a weak Zim team and how proud are you for that?

We have one genuine draw against WI to show for how proud are you for that?

Test is everything. Our online board, our BCB, our dream, our stadiums, our everything. Don't promote something that will delay our learning to be a better test nation. 80% members here would trade all the ODI winnings for that one test win against Australia or South Africa. By fluke or because of opponents not feeling that a weaker team (associate) can beat a stronger team (test) in ODIs or T20.

Winning test is no fluke. That seperates men from the boys. That means you have arrived.

shabash. nice analysis:notworthy:

wiseshah
February 4, 2009, 08:38 PM
we r banning ICL players just to please Indian cricket board. But indian cricket board is not doing us any favor, so its stupidity to ban ICL players.

From ICL: we can only gain (money, experience, confidence), nothing to lose
rafiq, bashar, monju, tapash, sharif--------because of ICL, they are earning a handsome amount, which they can only dream at this stage of their career

i think we should unbanned our ICL players.
shahriar nafees, alok kapali, dhiman, aftab ahmed-----still has ability to play in any form of game

wiseshah
February 4, 2009, 08:44 PM
I think ICL has more money than IPL and they pay more than IPL.only they are not authorized by indian cricket board.

just remind u this big names are part of ICL

1. brian lara
2. injamam
3. atapattu
4. mohammad yousuf
5. michael bevan
6. damien martin
7. shane bond
8. daryll tuffey
9. hamish marshall
10. Lou vincent
11. chris cairns
12.abdur razzaq
13. nathan astle
14. justin kemp

tiger_club
February 4, 2009, 09:00 PM
ICL is for retirees not for in form players..

tiger1000
February 5, 2009, 10:42 AM
we r banning ICL players just to please Indian cricket board. But indian cricket board is not doing us any favor, so its stupidity to ban ICL players.

From ICL: we can only gain (money, experience, confidence), nothing to lose
rafiq, bashar, monju, tapash, sharif--------because of ICL, they are earning a handsome amount, which they can only dream at this stage of their career

i think we should unbanned our ICL players.
shahriar nafees, alok kapali, dhiman, aftab ahmed-----still has ability to play in any form of game

i completely agree with you.

gunda
February 5, 2009, 11:11 AM
Voted NO!

Tigers_eye
February 5, 2009, 12:02 PM
T_E bhai it's not like we are the only country playing T20 is it? Every country is going through the T20 revolution. T20 is here and it will stay, some people need to accept this fact. And modern cricketers will have to adapt to this to survive in International cricket...

Bro,
I have no problem if Australia to WI all 8 nations play T20 to their hearts out. They can even play Ten/10. Or 5/5. I care little with there preference of which format they want to play. I have never said T20 is going away also.

My issue is with BD players and BD players only. For us to survive in the long run Test results are more important than some wins in ODIs or T20. All the 8 nations above us already know how to play test. Their next generation who comes in to the team they learn from their domestic setup or from their elders in the team on how to play the longer version of the game.

We do not have that luxury. Our players do not know how to play test. The results we have in that format should throw away any doubt of the bold statement that I made.

Now if you can say playing a T20 tournament will teach our boys to be a better Test player I will stop arguing. If you can say playing T20 tournament will not hinder their learning on playing longer innings I will call you guru from now on.

FagunerAgun
February 5, 2009, 01:30 PM
I like them banned because I like to watch their aggressive performance in ICL where as we have good depth in our national side.
This team shows how BD players can perform in a Professional League.

nycpro96
February 5, 2009, 04:03 PM
i wish they got unbanned as i would like to see them playing at least at bd domestic level and i also lik to see them at the ICL

Raynman
February 5, 2009, 05:29 PM
i don't understand this unnecessary fear of T20 disrupting Test ability.

1. The T20 team does not have to be the exact same players as the Test Team. Look how test greats like Dravid and Kallis fared in the 1st edition of IPL.

2. A great player is great player...period. Ghambir and Sehwag succeed in every format with a healthy strike rate in each. Shakib scored the brilliant 94 against SL in a test and then followed with a fast 100+ rate 92 in an ODI. So there is no reason why a player can not switch back and forth between formats. If anything, T20 allows them to pick out balls that can be punished instead of playing predetermined shots which appears to be the case with Ash and TI all the time

3. T20 is the future and we need to be part of it. Per the rankings we are in the top 8 in T20 which allows us IRELAND in the group instead of two other Test teams.

4. Test in its current bilateral FTP format can not grow. Imagine if ZIM had status now just how cluttered the schedule would be if each of the 9 teams now had to play two additional series.

5. IPL is making too much money to go back now. So are we to sacrifice playing cricket in April & May since everyone is busy with IPL and we don't thinkg our boys should ruin their talent by playing T20?

tiger1000
February 6, 2009, 08:01 PM
How did S-A-Hasan not get sold.
I predicted Mortaza for Around $95'000 went for $600'000 (i was shocked by that price)
Ashraful predicted $75'000 went for $75'000
Shakib predicted $90'000 - not sold
Tamim Predicted not to be sold - he wasnt sold

why would you not want to bid for a number one ranked odi player

Dhruvo
February 6, 2009, 09:52 PM
Aren't the ICL players already banned ?

tiger1000
February 7, 2009, 11:23 AM
yes they are. they can be unbanned which will result in hem being able to play in domestic cricket in bangladesh. or they can not change the rules and kepp the rule that bans them of playing for a domestic bangladeshi team.

BANFAN
February 7, 2009, 12:59 PM
Shouldn't it be in ICL sub-forum?