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Naimul_Hd
July 21, 2009, 04:40 AM
By reading this Article by Tony Cozier in Cricinfo, its inevitable that WI cricket team may break up and have their own separate associated status from the International Cricket Council (ICC). here is some highlights of the article:


It is purely through the malfunctioning of its two most critical organs, the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) and the West Indies Players' Association (WIPA). From every indication, the game in these parts is now in its death throes.

Dr Rudi Webster, himself a former first-class cricketer and West Indies team official, used a fitting medical analogy in an article last week to advance a reason for the crisis. It is worth repeating.

"If the epitome of good teamwork is found in the human body, its antithesis, selfishness and arrogance, is found in the cancer," he wrote last week. "The common goal of the human body is to grow, perform well, stay healthy and reproduce itself. Its many cells, organs and systems perform highly specialised functions that are well-coordinated and strongly focused on the achievement of the common goal.

"Good internal communication and close monitoring and stabilisation of the body's activities enhance that process. The cancer is not interested in the health or well-being of the body. It is committed only to its own growth, power and control in achieving its selfish goals, the cancer destroys and eventually kills the body. And in the end, it kills itself because it cannot live in a dead body."

That is where West Indies cricket is at present. The WICB and WIPA have, for years, spent time, energy and money trying to convince the West Indies' cricket family that the other side is the source of this particular cancer.

Up to last week, instead of attempting reconciliation and revival, the WICB issued a pompous demand for an apology from the players who withdrew from the Tests against Bangladesh, the upshot of the latest impasse, and the WIPA responded with a supercilious reply "dripping with sarcasm", as one website put it. The circumstances were so dire that Jimmy Adams, the former West Indies captain, now WIPA official and president of the Federation of International Cricketers (FICA), recommended euthanasia.

His take was to "stop the cricket" if there could be no settlement - and, for all their public statements, there was no hint that either would give an inch.

The implications of such a move are too devastating to contemplate.

Several issues would still have to be resolved with the WIPA but it would be a start. Surely the WIPA would be constrained to respond positively.

The bland reality is that, unless the cancer is cured, West Indies cricket as it has existed for more than 100 years is dead. It cannot survive by putting second-rate teams in the field, as the WICB has been forced to do by the WIPA against Bangladesh.

Already there are whispers from those in authority in Trinidad, the WIPA's base, advocating they seek to split from the WICB and seeking separate associated status from the International Cricket Council (ICC).

Pertinently, not a single Trinidad and Tobago player made himself available for the makeshift team against Bangaldesh. It might seem a far-fetched option but, in the present circumstances, not to be discounted.

Trinidad and Tobago presently possess the strongest structure in West Indies cricket and the sponsors to support it. By their triumph in the last regional Stanford 20/20 tournament, they have qualified for the international Champions League in India in October.


Source: http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/415262.html?cmp=viral

bangla-red
July 21, 2009, 06:06 AM
If they split up into regions, they would lost their test status...

Raynman
July 21, 2009, 09:53 AM
I'm not sure how important Test status is the current players. Through Stanford 20/20, the IPL, the players have realized where the money and the future of the game is.

After all Test cricket does not generate revenue unless India comes to visit.

Also West Indies cricket is a collection of Nations so maybe it is inevitable this take place. For example, if T20 becomes an olympic event, I don't think there will be a WI but individual nations participating.

Tigers_eye
July 21, 2009, 10:56 AM
Without the test status and with the crowded intl schedule, why would teams invite the WI factions in their country? No FTP obligations just like any other associate country. Just by playing T20 leagues in foreign countries only hand full players can survive. The rest would not get a contract thus parish. Test status is very important just like it is as important to us for our development.

Raynman
July 21, 2009, 12:19 PM
ICC has their work cut out for them if the application goes through.

As a nation T&T is definitely entitled to do so and may have the team to compete at least at the top associate level if not higher. Question is should they be entitled to any special privileges given the special circumstances with the West Indies.

We already saw Freddie cut short his test career for ODI and T20. Oram, Gayle may not be too far off. Symonds has said he will earn his living playing T20 leagues around the globe. Should the USA succeed in another T20 league and should ICL follow through with the litigation and win the doors will be wide open for more and more players to earn enough through only T20. The world cup brings a reason to ODIs.

In its current format (again I stress CURRENT), Test has nothing to offer. Unless you're AUS, IND, ENG or SA you'll never play enough tests to make the record books for the most valuable records and as being a good test player won't earn you the contracts for T20 (which is essential if you're a professional athlete and need to earn your lifetime's income by the time you hit 36/37).

We've all already agreed that the ICC doesn't really have any power over the individual boards. Test status provides collective revenue to sustain the Tests since the game itself can not bring in the money. If you are a new board, why even bother?

BANFAN
July 21, 2009, 02:46 PM
Test status is important. For development & Earning attractive price tags from T20. Test cricket matures a player and gives you a lots of rights in the cric world that an associate can't even dream. Just ike the privilages of permanent 5 in security council.

20 years back it was WI on top and Ind nowhere. No SA but Pak was on top of things. Not everyone can keep improving at the same pace. Another 20 years you might find different combination as the powerhouse of test cricket. If you play well, people want to play more with you.

T&T matter; I think these are just methods of applying pressure to curb WICB, don't think the islands will be able to ignore such long history and heritage and go down the associate line. Cricket will be over in most of the Islands.

auntu
July 21, 2009, 03:24 PM
It's gonna be doomsday of WI cricket.

zainab
July 21, 2009, 04:17 PM
No way will WI cricket be fractionalized. Cricket is the medium that holds all the islands together. Tobesides, No West Indies, no Test status. Eventually,this problem will be resolved sooner than
later. IMO, Gayle will retire from Test cricket, Chanderpaul will also retire soon. West Indies have enough reserve players from the islands to play cricket as a joint WI team.

Eshen
July 21, 2009, 07:48 PM
I'm not sure how important Test status is the current players. Through Stanford 20/20, the IPL, the players have realized where the money and the future of the game is.

After all Test cricket does not generate revenue unless India comes to visit.
I think that's the most important point there - Windies players can make lot more money playing in County leagues, IPL, and Stanford 20/20, instead of playing for their region (West Indies).

Sovik
July 21, 2009, 08:48 PM
They won't be able to survive if the decide to split up.

zainab
July 21, 2009, 09:07 PM
There is no more Stanford 20/20. Stanford is a swindler who used other people's money to give those outrageous cash prizes to players. Many of the players never received their million dollars, and those who did had to invest it with Stanford.

Eshen
July 21, 2009, 10:28 PM
They won't be able to survive if the decide to split up.
T&T may not do badly.

T&T team for domestic leagues:

Daren Ganga (Captain)
Adrian Barath
Lendl Simmons
Darren Bravon
Justin Guillen
Sherwin Ganga
Gibran Mohammed
Richard Kelly
Rayad Emrit
Dave Mohammed
Amit Jaggernauth
Atiba Alert
Sunil Narine

Add Dwayne Bravo, Kieron Pollard, Denesh Ramdin, Runako Morton, and Ravi Rampaul - a pretty good team there.

Eshen
July 22, 2009, 01:15 AM
T&T chief hints at regional split

http://www.cricinfo.com/westindies/content/story/415406.html

The future of West Indies cricket continues to remain uncertain after Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board (TTCB) chief executive Forbes Persaud indicated the national team could go its own way in international cricket. In an interview to the Trinidad & Tobago Express, Persaud said leading figures in the country's cricket body were considering breaking away from the West Indies regional team.

"My personal view [is] if the trend continues with the manner in which West Indies cricket is being administered, the board (TTCB) should go on its own and compete as Trinidad and Tobago, just as is in football," Persaud said. "If something is not done to have cricket administration at the West Indies level properly restructured, I believe we will have no choice but to think about playing as an individual territory on the international scene."

As the impasse between the WICB and WIPA rumbles into its third week, Persaud's comments shed light on the disaffection gripping the region. He confirmed that while no formal discussions had been held on the topic, others shared his view. "There are some board members who believe that we should start thinking about going on our own but, this has not been discussed in any official forum. It's just people expressing their views informally," said Persaud. "Because of the present situation in West Indies cricket, people are becoming very disenchanted and they have been expressing their views along these lines."

The process, according to Persaud, would be drawn out and carries many implications. "It would have to go through the ICC and we must bear in mind the repercussions it is going to have and the impact it would have on the West Indian community since we know how passionate the Caribbean people are about cricket," he said. "We all know how critical West Indies cricket is as a unifying force, to go that way would be destroying a legacy. It is not going to be an easy decision to make, if at all there is going to be a formal discussion on this."

At the weekend Dwayne Bravo hit out at the WICB's unprofessionalism, saying his local club was better organised.

Naimul_Hd
July 22, 2009, 01:54 AM
splitting into Regional team is on the cards for WI cricket as some of the regional boards are using power in selecting cricketers, venues etc. Moreover, some of the island are losing interest in cricket, people are interested more in other sports like basketball, soccer etc. So, i guess, bad times are ahead of WI cricket. If ICC doesnt act timely and properly, it will be too late to rectify all the issues.

beshideshi
August 4, 2009, 08:57 AM
i always thought this was inevitable,[WI breaking up] these islands have many differences amongst them, and they were going to break up, now or after 20 years, so it doesnt come to me as a big surpsrise.
also, Darren Ganga told after winning the last stanfor 20/20, dat he wants to see TnT in the world stage.....

it will be terribly sad for cricket if such incident occurs....

Raynman
August 4, 2009, 11:00 AM
The West Indies is a collection of COUNTRIES, so there will be many factors that will test the strength of their collectiveness in the near future. If T20 becomes an olympic sports, the nations will have to compete seperately, not as the West Indies.

The stanford T20 showed that some of the countries could survive on their own. Now that the greatness of the 70s and 80s is no longer there, its not a surprise that talk of dispersing is happening.

How is West Indies different from Asia XI or Afric XI. If Scotland and Wales can have seperate teams (despite being a part of the United Kingdom), I don't see why the Carribean countries shouldn't.

The only thing that prevents it is the money and the vote that comes with being under the WI banner. With T20 the money factor may soon change and votewise, its what BCCI says anyways that goes. Stanford 20/20 brought back some life to WI cricket. Kids are more interested in basketball and baseball since thats where the money is.

Imteaz
August 4, 2009, 10:23 PM
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2. Take away the test status from WI and break them down according to country. Let them play with ICC associate level for 1/2 years. According to the result, allow them to play test. <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><st1:place alt=</st1:place>Caribbean countries already have proper cricket structure. They don’t have to bother about it.<o:p></o:p>
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But, ICC must have to go for one of the above solution. Otherwise this kind of situations will go on.

BANFAN
August 5, 2009, 03:09 AM
I still don't think they will split. Strike a deal, but some leading charachters will be out of the team for sure.

Nafi
August 5, 2009, 08:53 AM
How is West Indies different from Asia XI or Afric XI. If Scotland and Wales can have seperate teams (despite being a part of the United Kingdom), I don't see why the Carribean countries shouldn't.


Thats completely wrong, England and Wales are unified in a single cricket team, did you not know this.

Raynman
August 6, 2009, 06:50 AM
Thats completely wrong, England and Wales are unified in a single cricket team, did you not know this.

you're right. I stand corrected on Wales.

Baundule
August 6, 2009, 07:57 AM
Every form of the game has its own flavor. IMO, test cricket is the ultimate test of a player's ability. It's the main source of a player's earning fame and eventually get the price tag in IPL or ICL; otherwise people would be bidding for Six-a-side players for T20 and Chacha and Durjoy would be playing IPL instead of Mashrafe or Ashraful.

The money the boards get from the ICC matters and losing test status is not a good thing for any one. So, T&T will not go for the Associate status unless the WICB is extremely unreasonable.

Eshen
August 8, 2009, 10:29 PM
TTCB blank WICB Annual General Meeting

- Tony Cozier

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161515028

WEST INDIES cricket has been thrown into further disarray by the decision of the Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board (TTCB) to stay away from the annual general meeting of the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) in Antigua today and tomorrow.

A WICB director, who asked for anonymity, confirmed yesterday that the TTCB had written to the WICB notifying them of their decision and giving reasons for it.

And last evening at the TTCB's awards dinner at President's House, Board president Deryck Murray spoke publicly about the move.

"It is a difficult decision that we made but we want to send a signal to the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) that this is not a time for business as usual.

"I want to be clear. This is not a threat to the unity of West Indies cricket...In this time of crisis, we cannot afford to sit back and keep doing the same things over and over again. That is not doing anything for our cricket. Our hope is that this move could be the catalyst for the change of West Indies cricket at the top. They must understand that we the Board and the people of Trinidad and Tobago expect and demand that things be done differently from here on in."

This coincides with the latest in the long-running dispute over contracts between the WICB and the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) that led to the withdrawal of the leading players from the recent series against Bangladesh and that is now before former Commonwealth secretary-general Sir Shridath Ramphal for mediation.

As one of the six constituent members of the WICB - along with Barbados, Guyana, Jamaica, Leeward Islands and Windward Islands - the TTCB have two directors on the executive and two representatives on the board.

It is understood that among their grievances is the WICB's failure to act on the main recommendations of the report into their governance by a committee headed by former Jamaica prime minister P.J.Patterson.

The report, commissioned by the WICB under former president Ken Gordon and presented in 2006, proposed the complete restructuring of the board that is now made up of president, vice-president, two directors from each of the territorial members and three ex-officio directors.

It is understood-as Murray said yesterday-that the TTCB letter emphasised that they had no intention of quitting the WICB or intending to go on their own. It simply stated their frustrations at not being able to influence changes within the organisation.

It would have been further aggravated by the announcement that president Julian Hunte and vice-president Dave Cameron are to both be returned to their positions unopposed.

It was earlier stated that Murray, the former West Indies vice-captain, would challenge Hunte and that Barbados Cricket Association (BCA) president Joel Garner would go against Cameron. But both eventually declined nomination.

Hunte, a 69-year-old St.Lucian insurance company executive and retired politician, has served on the board, on and off, since 1973. He took over as president from Gordon in 2007. Since then, the WICB has been bedevilled by one controversy after another, culminating in the latest that left the West Indies with a decimated team that lost both Tests and all three one-day internatuionals against Bangladesh.

The TTCB are also locked in a similar contracts dispute with the WIPA for a squad of 33 in preparation for the Trinidad and Tobago team's participation in the Champions League in India in October that features winning teams from domestic Twenty20 competitions.

It is not the first time the TTCB have been at odds with the WICB. In 1994, they issued a statement in which they expressed their "grave concern over what is perceived to be an organised and calculated plot by a privileged few to deny Trinidad and Tobago and its cricketers their just due".

It stated that their representatives on the West Indies board were mandated "to be more aggressive in their marketing of Trinidad and Tobago's cricket and the protection of players"

Eshen
August 9, 2009, 06:55 PM
WIPA, Trinidad and the fragmentation of West Indies cricket (http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/sports/08/09/wipa-trinidad-and-the-fragmentation-of-west-indies-cricket/)

By Tony Cozier

No less than the chief executive of the Trinidad and Tobago Cricket Board (TTCB), Forbes Persaud, last week articulated his support for going it alone, even if only for one-day cricket, a position apparently shared by several of his colleagues.

It is now reported that the TTCB has voted not to send representatives to the annual general meeting of the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) in Antigua over the next few days, apparently in protest over the WICB’s failure to restructure itself as recommended by the P. J. Patterson report.

It is significant that, at this particular time, the WIPA has organised a 20/20 match at the Queen’s Park Oval in Port-of-Spain on Saturday night, under the title “Balls of Fire”. It features players it instructed to make themselves unavailable for West Indies selection for the recent series against Bangladesh as a result of yet another contracts dispute with the board and is between teams dubbed Trinidad and Tobago Players, under the captaincy of the republic’s greatest player, Brian Lara, and West Indies Players, led by the erstwhile West Indies captain, Chris Gayle.

Proceeds are to go to the Pearl and Bunty Lara Foundation, formed by Lara in memory of his parents, the WIPA development fund and various players’ charities. The extravaganza, to be supplemented by a football game between a WIPA team, also led by Gayle, and the veterans of the Trinidad and Tobago Strike Squad that narrowly missed qualification for the 1998 World Cup, is billed as “a celebration of our national cricket and football teams.”

The message is clear. After years of confrontation with the WICB, the WIPA is concentrating much of its attention on Trinidad and Tobago, its home base.

It is a position commented on earlier this year by Jack Warner, one of international football’s most prominent administrators, himself Trinidadian and deputy leader of the political opposition. Warner chose the WIPA’s own annual awards ceremony at the Hyatt Regency Hotel to note its Trini bent.

He told his “good friend”, WIPA president Dinanath Ramnarine, that he had been “hearing on the ground that WIPA is a Trinidad organization and that the staff is all from Trinidad and even the functions are only held in Trinidad.

“I would advise you to take note and, if this is the case, you need to bring more of a Caribbean content to it,” Warner said. “Let WIPA be reflective of the wider region.” On the present evidence of its match in celebration of Trinidad and Tobago teams, such advice has not been heeded.

Earlier, when the WICB assigned the WIPA a one-day warm-up match for England in March, 10 of the 11 WIPA players were Trinidadian.

WI4EVER
August 9, 2009, 08:48 PM
T&T may not do badly.

T&T team for domestic leagues:

Daren Ganga (Captain)
Adrian Barath
Lendl Simmons
Darren Bravon
Justin Guillen
Sherwin Ganga
Gibran Mohammed
Richard Kelly
Rayad Emrit
Dave Mohammed
Amit Jaggernauth
Atiba Alert
Sunil Narine

Add Dwayne Bravo, Kieron Pollard, Denesh Ramdin, Runako Morton, and Ravi Rampaul - a pretty good team there.

Ruanko is from the Leeward Islands.

That team couldn't shine in a WI Domestic Season, what are the hopes of them shining in international cricket? Even with Bravo, Ramdin, and Rampaul?

WI4EVER
August 9, 2009, 08:57 PM
If the "West Indies" were one country, everything would be set, the politics would be decreased significantly.

There is favoritism in the West Indies team, with a Jamaican Captain, 13 Jamaicans have worn WI colours in less than 2 years. Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with Jamaicans, but its the fact that none of them are good enough to survive in international cricket.

WI will stay together, there are much more 20/20 lovers than Test Cricket Lovers, but there will always be those few who hold the team in test cricket, right now its Chanderpaul, Sarwan, and probably Ramdin.

There are more coming. Here is a list of a few:

Adrian Barath (Didn't take part in the Stanford 20/20 for Trinidad and Tobago)

Kraigg Brathwaite - Idolizes Chanderpaul, so will love test cricket naturally, with all the 20/20 Cricket being play its amazing that he managed to score a century in U-19 Cricket with only 4 fours. This guy is one to watch, he already had 28 hundreds by the time he scored one for the West Indies U-15's.

WI4EVER
August 9, 2009, 09:05 PM
TTCB president Deryck Murray said the local board wanted to send a signal to the WICB that this was not a time for "business as usual". Last month the TTCB chief executive Forbes Persaud had hinted that the national team could go its own way in international cricket if the WICB administration set-up didn't change. But Murray made it clear that the decision to stay away from the meeting did not mean the TTCB intended to break away.

T&T are trying to make a message, they would be happy to go alone if they continued the stupidness with the administration. But missing the meeting was just making a statement of "You guys can't expect us to attend a normal meeting if you are being so calm about the issues, when action should be taken immediately."

chol_bd123
September 26, 2009, 01:03 PM
their national teams will be very weak if they split. World cricket is already at an unstable positon. If WI splits there will be less competition.

Many players these days are looking forward to play for lucrative leagues like the IPL not for their country

aklemalp
September 26, 2009, 02:16 PM
very well said

kalpurush
September 27, 2009, 07:56 PM
Many players these days are looking forward to play for lucrative leagues like the IPL not for their country
ICC should make new rule - if you do NOT play for your country, you can't play IPL.