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Zeeshan
August 20, 2009, 01:14 AM
Which innings is the best and more importantly: why? Vote and voice out your reasons. Here's my viewpoint.

Assassin's Lenscope: Two of the finest displays of match innings producing the highest scores in one day international. One, which made Saeed Anwar a household name with children devoid of technical cricketing knowledge parroting out his score as if from some multiplication table for his umatched mamoth score of 194 (almost as if boasting a superhuman cricket IQ!) and the other a prodigal score from Charles Coventry who threatened the world record from 156 runs with 7 sixes and 16 fours which showed a glimpse of his inner, abysmal talent. So which one of the two masterpieces ranks highest but most importantly under what random arbitration does one actually discuss the superiority of one over another? Banglacircket's most pious munshi takes a fresh look viewing the highlights of both innings for the first time.

It would be naive for one to straightway declare Anwar's innings as the best simply because of the brand value which Pakistan carries because of the flambuoyancy and the whole enchila...err biryani. Yes, Anwar seems to have it all: class, sweet timing and ability to play tasty shots from cookbook with a dint of deftness when required. But on the other side of the ring, clad in bloody crimson jersey, Coventry is not any young curmudgel who just cudgels a ball riding on luck to get to his destination in aggressive manner. Young Coventry is as much intelligent timer of the ball as Anwar, one of ultimate authortiy on cricket. Both had the pressure from the beginning and seemed to have everything go against them. Chappie's mut have gulped his heart when his team was one man down for 27, while Anwar had to face about a billion hussars in hostile enemey territory. Although both are artworks of two different generation, Anwar's being compared to a Renaissance match bathed in sfumatto of day and night, whilst Coventry's match being blazed in shimmering Pointillistic light of his homeland and although both are from different era, there are however some commonalities.

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Anwar's one would probably most likely to get "hands down" from most people as the "obvious" better innings to the amateur but what they fail to realize despite the "quality opposition" that Pakistan faced, both team played a team that is or was on par with it. In international arena, despite the clownish gags of some players, Bangladesh's present cannot be ruled out as a joke rather a sinister vaudevillan bearer of freakshow who can often times pull out snakes from their mouth. Let's not forget the skeletal scaffolding of Shakib-al-Hassan's statisical system as the number one all rounder and one of the best top spinners who basically got ripped apart by Coventry. If there can be any comparison to this than one can silently shake his head affirmatively at his counterpart Anil Kumble who got similar treatment of two consecutive maximum boundaries. Not only this was counterfeited by Coventry but also he was playing the tired card except in Anwar's case the fact that he was compelled to use a runner showed the severity of his injury. For those of who are keeping scores, Anwar gets a +1 point for carrying out his innings even due to this shortcoming.

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Coventry, with men falling one after another, single-handedly fought like a soldier with revolving mortar which seemed to shoot forth balls all around the park. However, despite his one man Horatio at the bridge like behavior it failed to invigorate a somehow subdued, crowd bare in numbers. Had this been any other country, if not Bangladesh itself, with so much passionate supporters that it leads it would have erupted like a dormant volcano, which was highly missed in a shabby gathering of a country torn in internal conflicts of cricket players. Coventry might have played the innings of his life, but his not out asterisk will only be a vain medallion that failed to propel his team to a victory. So as much as Anwar's innings can sway Libra's side, it's not because of 'quality of opposition' that he encountered but rather the electric atmoshphere in which he was submerged which allowed him to momentarily transcend this earth with last plunge for six to bring about his double hundred that only failed to result his harakiri. Thus as far as the verdict is concerned in my book Anwar's innings will outmatch Coventry's one anyday and just like a real masterpiece it's being bound to watch over and over again.

Cricket is not a stoic game of numbers. It's about the fans; it's about emotions. That is where lies the beauty of cricket: in the fans. No one's match could be deemded as flawless masterpiece yet they are unqiue, flawed and avante garde in their own way. Saeed Anwar playing beautiful ground strokes, deft touches in a hostile enemy territory with his injury in the "spiritual home of cricket " Chennai easily gets a notch high up because at the end of the day he brought a mass population of arch-nemesis India to their feet for standing ovation demanding respect who obligingly gave him the ultimate honor of his life. Saeed Anwar doesn't get the nods up simply because he had more "class" in him or because his shots were most "technically sound". But, it's because of historical significance that it imprinted forever in the crowd's mind who first hand witnessed an embodiment of deity performing miracles right in the theater of sports. Cricket is not judged with some boring stastisticcal litmus paper or the some club of internet purist toolfest analzying the most technically perfect shot, but it's because of the emotions that triggers in a crowd, the tears of joy that brings and bridges the gap creating the perfect bond if not utmost respect from the fellow neighbor who is different than you and me in almost every manner. Cricket is about life itself.

nzfan
August 20, 2009, 01:32 AM
Definately Anwars due to coventry being let off many times

but the Pakistanis have to get over themselves

in cricket, 194 not out is ranked higher than 194 out so in my opinion and cricinfos coventry holds the record

Imteaz
August 20, 2009, 01:45 AM
Saeed Anwar.
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I think it should not be even compare. But it happens in Cricket.

Zeeshan
August 20, 2009, 02:26 AM
They can be compared Imti, because Coventry is only 26 years old and he has more matches ahead of him. And I talked about the "quality of opposition." In my book again Anwar's one gets edge totally because of the electric nature of the field which beguils one to watch his innings over and over. However, Coventry's one, no less technically aethetic, was sort of unsung and boring in the barely filled stadium. And it was a home crowd! I know my views could be totally biased due to the fact I support the team that was on the receiving end, but objectively I still think Coventry's innings can be compared with Anwar's one. Remember, from Zim perspective Bd players are as much competent as Indians were to the Paksitanis.

Miraz
August 20, 2009, 02:47 AM
In terms of personal achivement, I rate Coventry's innings higher than Anwar's. When Saeed Anwar hammered 194, he was already a leading batsman of world cricket. On the other hand, Coventry was a no-name and didn't even score a century. From that position, achieving 194* is a monumental effort.

In terms of quality, Saeed Anwar may hold the advantage as his innings was chanceless, but again it's not Coventry's fault that Bangladesh dropped dollies. Bangladesh failed to take copportunities and Coventry took full toll of those mistakes. His innings had lot of quality shots and Bangladesh spinners aren't that far behiind the indian spinners in one day cricket.

I think people are cynical as Coventry's 194* was scored against Bangladesh. It is disrespectful to both Coventry and Bangladesh if someone doubts the quality of record invovling Bangladesh.

Zeeshan
August 20, 2009, 02:56 AM
Interesting comments Miraz bhai. Yes as the 5-0 poll suggests, Saeed Anwar's one is unanimously the best one here. But, I think what would vary from person to person is people's own subjective feelings of it. Anwar's 194 was in pre-T20 era and probably that's why it captured the imagination of so much people because of the breathtaking SR with which he accomplsihed. And another thing is while Anwar had Ijaz, Inzamam to support him Coventry didn't have the luxury of so many studded Hall of Famers and lost more men and had the odds stacked up against him.

And I fully echo Miraz bhai's sentiment that a achieving such a world record feat is not some pimpwork of some imp. Does that mean Ashraful's 100 versus UAE and Zimbabwe does not "count"? Come'on one surely should have much better opinion of oneself or one's team.

BANFAN
August 20, 2009, 03:55 AM
In terms of quality, Saeed Anwar may hold the advantage as his innings was chanceless...

That wan't chanceless; he was dropped of a easy catch atleast once. Yea Anwar was dropped by Sunil Joshi once. He just got lucky.

He had a runner for the best part of the innings which made his job easier. Coventry had to run it all.

Wicket in Chennai was as flat as this one if not more and that Indian bowling attack was similar to ours if not worse.

I would put coventry a bit ahead; for the facts that he was not out and he is from a weaker team. Great innings.

nzfan
August 20, 2009, 04:04 AM
That wan't chanceless; he was dropped of a easy catch atleast once.

and had a runner so wouldn't be as fatigued as most who play such a long innings and you can't say the indian bowling was that much better than the bangladesh one

Tigers_eye
August 20, 2009, 10:55 AM
Powerplay 18.3 overs helped Coventry to get there. Scored 107 runs in 72 ball faced in those overs. I am sure there wouldn't be that many 4's and more 1's and 2's. There was no powerplay when S Anwar played. Just from this stand point 194 > 194*.

Ashraf-FTP
August 20, 2009, 12:05 PM
Powerplay 18.3 overs helped Coventry to get there. Scored 107 runs in 72 ball faced in those overs. I am sure there wouldn't be that many 4's and more 1's and 2's. There was no powerplay when S Anwar played. Just from this stand point 194 > 194*.
thats a very big reason.. powerplays make the game more batting friendly for technically good batsmen.. yes, anwars was better..

BangladeshFan
August 20, 2009, 12:26 PM
i think anwar's one is over rated as well. the indian bowling and fielding was absolutely pathetic, except kumble there wasnt a good bowler in that lineup and even kumble was out of form. the wicket was full of runs and critically anwar had a runner. pak scored like 360 and india in response also scored 300+ if i remember correctly. so total runs scored is way more than the bd-zim game.

batting wise anwar is definitely better than coventry and thats what make people think that coventry innings is a fluke, which surely isnt.

Tigers_eye
August 20, 2009, 12:31 PM
thats a very big reason.. powerplays make the game more batting friendly for technically good batsmen.. yes, anwars was better..
Without the Powerplay Coventry scored 87 of 84 balls.
i think anwar's one is over rated as well. the indian bowling and fielding was absolutely pathetic,...
Certainly you can have your opinion but may I ask how much great was Bd fielding? Anything less than "absolutely pathetic"?

BangladeshFan
August 20, 2009, 01:25 PM
Without the Powerplay Coventry scored 87 of 84 balls.

Certainly you can have your opinion but may I ask how much great was Bd fielding? Anything less than "absolutely pathetic"?

there was a powerplay of 15 overs when anwar played. Bd spinners are not that bad and I would say Bd bowling and fielding was probably at par with that of india at that time.

djnaved
August 20, 2009, 01:58 PM
obviously anwar's one

agree with tigers-eye bhai

that time, there was no powerplay

and he played tht innings under pressure...............ato dorshokder shamne ei inning khela moteo easy na specially in india! huge opposition crowds are enough to lose ur concentration when u r batting!

Ashraf-FTP
August 20, 2009, 02:00 PM
there was a powerplay of 15 overs when anwar played. Bd spinners are not that bad and I would say Bd bowling and fielding was probably at par with that of india at that time.
coventry had a total of 20 overs of pp..

and maybe BD's bowling was same but fielding was far below indias at that time..

Tigers_eye
August 20, 2009, 02:02 PM
there was a powerplay of 15 overs when anwar played. Bd spinners are not that bad and I would say Bd bowling and fielding was probably at par with that of india at that time.
Really???? In 1997 there was powerplay overs? Or you meant S Anwar's powerful batting?
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66113.html

Good, Fielding question has been squashed.

Tigers_eye
August 20, 2009, 02:07 PM
...pak scored like 360 and india in response also scored 300+ if i remember correctly. so total runs scored is way more than the bd-zim game...
hmmm!!!
Since I have dug up the scorecard Pak scored 329 not 360. Ind scored 292 not 300+. That totals to 619.

BD chased down 312 totaling the runs 625 on that day.

BANFAN
August 20, 2009, 04:17 PM
obviously anwar's one

agree with tigers-eye bhai

that time, there was no powerplay

and he played tht innings under pressure...............ato dorshokder shamne ei inning khela moteo easy na specially in india! huge opposition crowds are enough to lose ur concentration when u r batting!

BangladeshFan is right; there was a PP of 15 overs in that match of S Anwar

reverse_swing
August 20, 2009, 04:34 PM
BangladeshFan is right; there was a PP of 15 overs in that match of S Anwar

In fact, the original 15 overs fielding restrictions were introduced during the 1992 World Cup. Mark Greatbatch was probably the first specialist pinch-hitter to successfully exploit the field restriction.

Ashraf-FTP
August 20, 2009, 04:37 PM
BangladeshFan is right; there was a PP of 15 overs in that match of S Anwar
but coventry got a total of 20 overs of powerplay while anwar got 15.. and coventry got 5 of those overs in a situation when he was well set and knew the pitch and most of the bowlers so just blasted through..

Raynman
August 20, 2009, 05:16 PM
Anwar's 194 doesn't make him a better batsman than Tendulkar just like Coventry's score doesn't make him a better batsman than Anwar.

However it does give him the record (not out). My vote goes to Coventry.

Ashraf-FTP
August 20, 2009, 05:34 PM
Anwar's 194 doesn't make him a better batsman than Tendulkar just like Coventry's score doesn't make him a better batsman than Anwar.

However it does give him the record (not out). My vote goes to Coventry.
the pole isnt about who holds the record cause everyone knows coventry was not out.. the pole is about who played a better innings..

djnaved
August 20, 2009, 05:35 PM
BangladeshFan is right; there was a PP of 15 overs in that match of S Anwar

there was powerplay?:S

i guess powerplay thingy was introduced in late 2006-07

Ashraf-FTP
August 20, 2009, 05:37 PM
there was powerplay?:S

i guess powerplay thingy was introduced in late 2006-07
there were 15 over powerplays that were automatic at the first 15 overs of the innings.. im not sure when they started but im seeing them from when i was around 7-8 (thats as far i could remember watching cricket)..

Raynman
August 20, 2009, 09:46 PM
the pole isnt about who holds the record cause everyone knows coventry was not out.. the pole is about who played a better innings..


I know what the poll is about. I'm voting for Coventry because he remained not out. I think he played a better innings (being down 0-2 in a series, not getting much support from his fellow batsman and returning to int'l cricket after a break)

Raynman
August 20, 2009, 10:07 PM
Not sure for how many overs but Powerplays existed as early as 1992

http://www.gulfnews.com/sport/Cricket/10300922.html

Kana-Baba
August 21, 2009, 07:45 PM
well, apart from anil kumble india had no other good on that team. just think what kind a bowling attack starts innings with ave kuruvilla. :D

Imteaz
August 25, 2009, 04:08 AM
Inform V. Prasad was there as Indian bowler with new ball.

On that time it was not power play. It was just fielding restriction for 15 overs. Same thing but different name. :)

Saeed Anwar innings was complete chance less. He played with runner from 19th over.

BANFAN
August 25, 2009, 06:01 AM
Inform V. Prasad was there as Indian bowler with new ball.

On that time it was not power play. It was just fielding restriction for 15 overs. Same thing but different name. :)

Saeed Anwar innings was complete chance less. He played with runner from 19th over.

Inform venky isn't any more valuable than our $ :) And Anwar was dropped once, it was not chance less.

A not out on the same score shows the difference. simple; one is studded with star and the other one isn't :)

isn't it easy to find which 194 is the best? 194 or 194 * :)

WI4EVER
August 25, 2009, 10:08 AM
Anwar's no question.

Coventry was let down many times

Conventry's was against a weaker opposition (No offense intended)

Anwar's was against India, there is a incredible rivalry between them, every match is like a World Cup Final.

auntu
August 25, 2009, 03:26 PM
Anwar's no doubt about that.

Imteaz
August 25, 2009, 11:33 PM
Inform venky isn't any more valuable than our $ :) And Anwar was dropped once, it was not chance less.


It's better to watch the match. I did so.:) Dropped by whom? :)

BANFAN
August 26, 2009, 01:18 AM
It's better to watch the match. Dropped by whom? :)

I agree with you. :)

Dropped by Joshi (Pl Ref to post #7)

Imteaz
August 26, 2009, 04:01 AM
I agree with you. :)

Dropped by Joshi (Pl Ref to post #7)

Sorry dear, your information is wrong. Saeed Anwar's 194 against India was chanceless. :)

al Furqaan
August 26, 2009, 06:51 PM
anwar's was done against a somewhat stronger bowling lineup although consider the fllowing:

robin singh bowled 9 overs - his career bowling avg is 43
tendu bowled 9 overs - avg 44

the specialist bowlers, prasad averaged 32, kumble 30, and kuravilla 35 - decent averages all, but not at all a world class bowling unit. none of the bowlers were remarkbly economical either, except perhaps kumble's 4.3 which would prolly be equivalent to 4.6 in today's game, so not extraordinary.

in contrast coventry faced a largely unknown bowling lineup consisting of robin, enam, sakib, and an out of form (or pitch-neutralized) syed rasel. so i'd say the "strength of opposition" was nearly the same, with a small edge perhaps to the attack anwar faced.

fielding i have no clue about. and coventry was dropped early by rasel when he was just on 13. 194 - 13 = a whole lot of difference.

AsifTheManRahman
August 26, 2009, 06:57 PM
Dada hit his head on the ground and hurt himself when he took the catch that dismissed Anwar that day. I was lucky enough to watch it live, on television of course.

One must keep in mind though that Anwar's inning came at a time when international batsmen were just starting to get a tad aggressive - chasing down 300 was considered a gallant feat back then. Nowadays, it's just another run-chase.

Rifat
August 26, 2009, 08:25 PM
Dada hit his head on the ground and hurt himself when he took the catch that dismissed Anwar that day. I was lucky enough to watch it live, on television of course.

One must keep in mind though that Anwar's inning came at a time when international batsmen were just starting to get a tad aggressive - chasing down 300 was considered a gallant feat back then. Nowadays, it's just another run-chase.

Ditto.

I remember that too...watched on TV as well at my teacher's house after study back in
3rd Grade. I think Anwar had Diarrhea that day :sick: It is quite remarkable how we went on even with sickness...

abz..+
August 27, 2009, 08:54 AM
ofcourse Saeed Anwar

Sovik
August 27, 2009, 09:09 AM
both of them were entertaining but saeed anwar's innings was little better

deshifan
October 10, 2009, 03:53 AM
This was the best one day innings I've ever seen

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5y0gf_sanath-jayasuriya-189-vs-india-2000_sport

Zeeshan
October 10, 2009, 08:47 PM
This was the best one day innings I've ever seen

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5y0gf_sanath-jayasuriya-189-vs-india-2000_sport

Good one. Some amendments:

sachin tendulkar 186* vs new zealand 1999

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Dhoni 183 vs Sri Lanka 2005

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Ganguly 183 vs Sri Lanka 1999 World Cup

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Hayden 181 vs New Zealand 2007

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auntu
October 11, 2009, 09:51 AM
Mathew's on is the most exciting one. :D