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_Rafi_
October 29, 2009, 10:12 AM
Selectors need to show some courage by dropping Ashraful. They should try other option at no.3 position. Shahriar Nafees is a good option as well as our former no.3 Aftab. Shamsur Rahman Shuvo can also be tried.
Riad also should be dropped. He is not limited over match player.
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PoorFan
October 29, 2009, 10:17 AM
Selectors need to show some courage by dropping Ashraful. They should try other option at no.3 position. Shahriar Nafees is a good option as well as our former no.3 Aftab. Shamsur Rahman Shuvo can also be tried.
Riad also should be dropped. He is not limited over match player.

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Shamsu in Riad out? Aftab in Ash out? NO WAY.

Fazal
October 29, 2009, 10:17 AM
Agree with most except the Junaid bit. He played his role well today.


Yes you are right. Junaid played his role a bit today.

\My comment about Ash and Juniad is based on few series not today only. I hope that helps.

I know Juniad is still pretty new and there is still some hope. But so far he is failing to play his role too often. And some of his succees came at #3. May be we need to rethink his position and bring SN or someone else as opener (who ever is in form).

ruja1810
October 29, 2009, 10:21 AM
What should we do with Ash? Keep him or Kick him out? He is really disappointing us.

fais
October 29, 2009, 10:22 AM
Selectors need to show some courage by dropping Ashraful. They should try other option at no.3 position. Shahriar Nafees is a good option as well as our former no.3 Aftab. Shamsur Rahman Shuvo can also be tried.
Riad also should be dropped. He is not limited over match player.

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unfortunately ash didn't play his role as a batsmen today but didn't excellent as a bowler - got rid of some key wickets

as for Shamsur - are well out of our minds; what has Shamsur done at any decent level of the game to warrant a call up. players like Marshall Ayub perform much better when playing for the Academy or A team.

Baundule
October 29, 2009, 10:23 AM
I'm more worried about stability at the top and Aftab can't provide that. Temperamentwise Aftab is worse than even Ashraful. In the ICL, he needed 3 lives to score any 30+ score. Nafees can come back. And Alok was never given a fair chance. Personally I like Rokib; but I have doubt about his ability. If Alok is in form, Tamim-SN- Rahim -Alok-Sakib-Nayeem can be a good choice. Rahim (strong against slow bowling) and Shakib may interchange based on the situation. Aftab and Ashraful needs some mental treatment, though I suspect they are not curable.

AsifTheManRahman
October 29, 2009, 10:29 AM
Temperamentwise Aftab is worse than even Ashraful. In the ICL, he needed 3 lives to score any 30+ score. Nafees can come back. And Alok was never given a fair chance. Personally I like Rokib; but I have doubt about his ability. If Alok is in form, Tamim-SN- Rahim -Alok-Sakib-Nayeem can be a good choice. Rahim (strong against slow bowling) and Shakib may interchange based on the situation. Aftab and Ashraful needs some mental treatment, though I suspect they are not curable.
I don't really mind the presence of Rakib in a team full of dashers. Sure, he can't pick singles, but who other than Shakib and maybe Mushfiq can? If Tamim/Shakib/Riyad are on song, we need someone to play the anchor role and Rakib does an OK job of that.

Aftab is no better than a tail-ender. Only in Bangladesh can you get picked as a top order batsman without scoring a single FC century (and not score one until you've been in the national team for a good few years) and only in Bangladesh can you play 148 games as a specialist batsman while averaging 23.

Ash and Aftab, please go suck for Mohammedan and leave us in peace.

djnaved
October 29, 2009, 10:34 AM
Temperamentwise Aftab is worse than even Ashraful. In the ICL, he needed 3 lives to score any 30+ score. Nafees can come back. And Alok was never given a fair chance. Personally I like Rokib; but I have doubt about his ability. If Alok is in form, Tamim-SN- Rahim -Alok-Sakib-Nayeem can be a good choice. Rahim (strong against slow bowling) and Shakib may interchange based on the situation. Aftab and Ashraful needs some mental treatment, though I suspect they are not curable.

tamim-SN--Alok-Sakib-Rock-Mushy-farhad reza/riyad/nayeem-Mash-Dollar-Razzak-Rasel/Nazmul

er theke r bhalo team hoy na

AsifTheManRahman
October 29, 2009, 10:37 AM
This is why the DPL ODs are going to be so interesting. Alok and SN will have to play out of their skins to make it to the team. NI has been disappointing, as have the other A-teamers.

billah
October 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
Temperamentwise Aftab is worse than even Ashraful. In the ICL, he needed 3 lives to score any 30+ score. Nafees can come back. And Alok was never given a fair chance. Personally I like Rokib; but I have doubt about his ability. If Alok is in form, Tamim-SN- Rahim -Alok-Sakib-Nayeem can be a good choice. Rahim (strong against slow bowling) and Shakib may interchange based on the situation. Aftab and Ashraful needs some mental treatment, though I suspect they are not curable.

Wow wow wow !

Come again ?

Alok was given many more chances than any one else, while he under performed. Just check out his stats right after the hat-trick in pakeestan. How do you suppose he received the nic "kopali"? I used to call him our "affirmative action" quota player.

billah
October 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
By the way, ATMR, your SN is done. Bye bye. Deal with it man.

wiseshah
October 29, 2009, 10:50 AM
nobody should be in or out. few days ago, people are crying to leave out razzaq and junaed. see the outcome now.

in my opinion, ash should bat middle or lower order. my line up for 3rd game

tamim
Junaed
rokibul
shakib
mushfiq
mahmudullah
ashraful
nayeem
dollar/shahadat
razzaq
najmul

Tigers_eye
October 29, 2009, 10:50 AM
By the way, ATMR, your SN is done. Bye bye. Deal with it man.
Unless we make up a schedule full of of Kenya and Namibia home and away series 5 match each. 1000 runs kono bapar na.

wiseshah
October 29, 2009, 10:52 AM
SN, nafees, aftab, reza, najim------ they should be considered for 20/20 only.

Raynman
October 29, 2009, 10:57 AM
Leaving Shakib out of the equation (#1 all rounder and Wisden cricketer of the year), other than Basher (Mr. 50) and Ash against SL in Tests, NO BD player has shown consistancy against the big teams.

We are jumping about Tamim for his scores in the last ZIM series and we hate SN because he is a minnow basher? For all the criticism, SN had a brilliant TEST series against Warne and McGrath at their best. He is a player capable of coming back to the team and doing wonders.

AsifTheManRahman
October 29, 2009, 11:01 AM
By the way, ATMR, your SN is done. Bye bye. Deal with it man.
Which part of play out of their skins did you miss? Not just SN, but If any of the ICL-ers is going to make it back to the team, he'll have to do something almost miraculous given the current stability in the national team and I've always maintained that. Same with the non-ICLer domestic cricketers.

AsifTheManRahman
October 29, 2009, 11:02 AM
nobody should be in or out. few days ago, people are crying to leave out razzaq and junaed.
Asking for Razzak's head is a sin.

billah
October 29, 2009, 11:08 AM
Which part of play out of their skins did you miss? Not just SN, but If any of the ICL-ers is going to make it back to the team, he'll have to do something almost miraculous given the current stability in the national team and I've always maintained that. Same with the non-ICLer domestic cricketers.

Actually, I was kinda hinting at the thickness of SN's subcutaneous lipids. This kid's performance and weight chart have been inversely co-related. He's got less of a chance than other ICLrs. He also has the distinction of being the conspirator-in-chief for the exodus.

AsifTheManRahman
October 29, 2009, 11:10 AM
Actually, I was kinda hinting at the thickness of SN's subcutaneous lipids. This kid's performance and weight chart have been inversely co-related. He's got less of a chance than other ICLrs. He also has the distinction of being the conspirator-in-chief for the exodus.
Yeah, the way he was involuntarily shaking his booty during the world cup was pretty disturbing.

Ajfar
October 29, 2009, 11:11 AM
highlights anybody???/

Beamer
October 29, 2009, 11:40 AM
Wow wow wow !

Come again ?

Alok was given many more chances than any one else, while he under performed. Just check out his stats right after the hat-trick in pakeestan. How do you suppose he received the nic "kopali"? I used to call him our "affirmative action" quota player.

Like Gayeshhar Roy? So, that's how the thinking process goes in that camp, eh?

_Rafi_
October 29, 2009, 11:47 AM
unfortunately ash didn't play his role as a batsmen today but didn't excellent as a bowler - got rid of some key wickets

if we want to play him as a bowler then different thing. As a bowler he needs to bat in lower order not at no.3 position. If Ash play as a bowler then we hv 3 offie in our team.
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Dhakablues
October 29, 2009, 12:02 PM
There were 13 ex national players who left for ICL. We think none of them are eligible to return for national team? These days when you have the Flintoff syndrome of abandoning national team to be a free lancer,, I dont think Alok/Shahrier like players will have any problems in getting the money or attention.. their game will speak for themselves. Granted, they revolted against the current selectors and it might take some time for the selectors to leave their grudges aside...

However, if performance is to be the only measure for team selection, Ashraful/Zunaed/Naem/Nazmul will have to fight for their spot pretty soon.

In the T20 tournament, Alok was the best bowler and did lead exceedingly well. Shahrier Nafees also did perform, Rafique took wickets and was the only reason Abahoni won the title... These players were our national players. Apart for Rafique, who retired, any players are game,,, any player can come back to national squad. Albeit, they have to perform a miracle and players in the national team needs to perform worse for their selection to be granted... but its not "bye bye" nor is it "No way, No how".. Us fans may have our preferences and prejuidice... but if Alok continues his form and Nafees continues to score runs, they will be back again before the world cup..

AsifTheManRahman
October 29, 2009, 12:13 PM
any player can come back to national squad. Albeit, they have to perform a miracle and players in the national team needs to perform worse for their selection to be granted... but its not "bye bye" nor is it "No way, No how"..
I agree. No one should be written off completely as long as they make themselves available to play.

Ajfar
October 29, 2009, 12:13 PM
will we ever see what nayeem can do with the bat?

Fazal
October 29, 2009, 12:21 PM
will we ever see what nayeem can do with the bat?

He will be dumped at the first opportunity before exploring his true strength, i.e. his batting.

His batting order suggest he is a bowler all-rounder (what he is not), but never fully used as a bowler. Rather used a 6th bowler.

But as some suggested, his true strenth may be in his batting. He is used too low in the batting order, to really create any impact one way or another. They selected him in the team, but kind of unsure how to use him.

It's a missed opportunity for both, from team's perspective as well as from player's perspective.

AsifTheManRahman
October 29, 2009, 12:24 PM
He will be dumped at the first opportunity before exploring his true strength, i.e. his batting.

His batting order suggest he is a bowler all-rounder (what he is not), but never fully used as a bowler. Rather used a 6th bowler.

But as some suggested, his true strenth may be in his batting. He is used too low in the batting order, to really create any impact one way or another. They selected him in the team, but kind of unsure how to use him.

It's a missed opportunity for both, from team's perspective as well as from player's perspective.
Yeah, I hate half measures. If you can find a suitable place for a guy in the team, then pick him, otherwise don't; but don't try to turn him into what he's not.

niqbal
October 29, 2009, 12:24 PM
Does anybody how the cricket team rating (ranking) formula works? The stats before the 1st ODI between BD and ZM was like this

Rating
Bangladesh 55
Zimbabwe 27

After the 1st ODI it is like this

Bangladesh 55-4 =51
Zimbabwe 27+3=30

and after the 2nd ODI, it is like this

Bangladesh 51+2 =53
Zimbabwe 30 -1=29

In this case, when BD loses, 4 points are deducted and when BD wins 2 points are added. On the other hand, when ZM loses, 1 point is deducted and when ZM wins, 3 points are added. I am not sure how the formula works. At the end of the day, this rating will tell you whether you are in 8th or 9th or 10th in ranking.

AsifTheManRahman
October 29, 2009, 12:29 PM
In this case, when BD loses, 4 points are deducted and when BD wins 2 points are added. On the other hand, when ZM loses, 1 point is deducted and when ZM wins, 3 points are added. I am not sure how the formula works. At the end of the day, this rating will tell you whether you are in 8th or 9th or 10th in ranking.
You lose a lot of points and gain very little when you destroy a team ranked below you.

SS
October 29, 2009, 12:31 PM
He will be dumped at the first opportunity before exploring his true strength, i.e. his batting.

His batting order suggest he is a bowler all-rounder (what he is not), but never fully used as a bowler. Rather used a 6th bowler.

But as some suggested, his true strenth may be in his batting. He is used too low in the batting order, to really create any impact one way or another. They selected him in the team, but kind of unsure how to use him.

It's a missed opportunity for both, from team's perspective as well as from player's perspective.

Currently Naeem er kono upai nai. Age gele Baghe Khaie, piche gelei shona pai....Je hare amago top order Nijere nije kheye feltase...he will get shona anyways...

SS
October 29, 2009, 12:33 PM
You lose a lot of points and gain very little when you destroy a team ranked below you.

Eureka...then we will go down the list and all of a sudden beat some upper team to gain extra few points....amar to onek bhuddhi hoise nowadays then why coleagues hate me so much...hinsha kore mone hoi...

AsifTheManRahman
October 29, 2009, 12:35 PM
Correction: I meant "You lose a lot of points and gain very little when you get destroyed by and destroy a team ranked below you, respectively."

Shumit
October 29, 2009, 12:50 PM
I don't think any captain in history of BD cricket ever played like Sakib has been
playing last few months.

Tigers_eye
October 29, 2009, 12:56 PM
Does anybody how the cricket team rating (ranking) formula works? ....
Opponents strength is taken in to account. That is how we dethroned South Africa in the WC when they were sitting as #1 team. They lost to us BOOM!! Australia takes back the number one spot because SA drops and we gain big time.

If the teams are closely ranked (point wise) then the changes are almost equal. If the difference is big then the rise or fall is big. We got this rise because West Indies had a good ranking and lost to us 0-3 at home. Otherwise had they won with Gayle and Co. they we would be sitting at upper 30s lower 40s, our original position.

auntu
October 29, 2009, 12:59 PM
He will be dumped at the first opportunity before exploring his true strength, i.e. his batting.

His batting order suggest he is a bowler all-rounder (what he is not), but never fully used as a bowler. Rather used a 6th bowler.

But as some suggested, his true strenth may be in his batting. He is used too low in the batting order, to really create any impact one way or another. They selected him in the team, but kind of unsure how to use him.

It's a missed opportunity for both, from team's perspective as well as from player's perspective.
Naeem got the best chance of his career last match which he failed to utilize. Now a days I'm really thinking seriously now a days, does Naeem deserves a place in the squad? I mean, can his average bowling and batting ensure the spot? I've doubt about that.

auntu
October 29, 2009, 01:00 PM
I don't think any captain in history of BD cricket ever played like Sakib has been
playing last few months.
Absolutely spot on.

billah
October 29, 2009, 01:25 PM
will we ever see what nayeem can do with the bat?

From what we have seen so far, he can hit the ball pretty clean and pretty hard. Unlikely against Zimbabwe if the rest of the games go the same way. He is a possible candidate for "can also bat a bit" category. Same goes for Dolar & Riyad.

Tigers_eye
October 29, 2009, 01:26 PM
Naeem got the best chance of his career last match which he failed to utilize. Now a days I'm really thinking seriously now a days, does Naeem deserves a place in the squad? I mean, can his average bowling and batting ensure the spot? I've doubt about that.
Patience my friend. He will put up the numbers. No one is going after his position unless Ash is pushed down the order.

By the way, I confused you for BK which is all good. Both have screw loose. HHS.

Murad
October 29, 2009, 01:55 PM
By the way, I confused you for BK which is all good. Both have screw loose. HHS.

Yeah. I got confused as well. Both using same avatar. lolz.. Dujonerii matha awlai geche :-D

Fazal
October 29, 2009, 02:57 PM
Naeem got the best chance of his career last match which he failed to utilize. Now a days I'm really thinking seriously now a days, does Naeem deserves a place in the squad? I mean, can his average bowling and batting ensure the spot? I've doubt about that.

I would say its a lost opportunity for him, not necessariuly failed. He is still a young player and tried to prevent the landslide the best he could.

He was the 3rd highest scorer in that game for BD ahead of the core players (Tamim, Ash, Sakib) you know.:D

Plus today he took key wickets including a key wicket at a key turning point.

Tigers_eye
October 29, 2009, 03:29 PM
Front page'a etka summary dewa uchit. That Zim drawing blood ektu dristikotu.

BD level series 1-1 in the 2nd ODI

Zim Innings: Two stand-in captains tried their best. The better performer came out as a winner. With crucial breakthroughs by Abdur Razzak, Naeem and Ashraful; Zimbabwe never could control the game while batting. Although at the beginning after winning the toss and electing bat seemed to be the right decision. BD determined to improve could not match the intensity while fielding. Beamers by Dolar, misfieldings, missing catches frustrated the supporters. Waller tried to bat with intent but at the end too much Abdur Razzak folded Zimbabwe at 219. Their 3rd powerplay got wasted. 4 runs with 3 wickets and half not used.

BD Innings: Now beginning was scary for the Zimbabwe bowlers. Tamim and Zunaid both started with a brisker and were off to the races. 44/0 in 3.4 overs. The pressure of scoring runs in coming overs were taken away by these two. Then came the usual mis shots and soon BD would find themselves 56/3 after 6.1 overs. Stage was set for the captain and the ever reliable Rok (Rokibul). Rakibul played his game, with 4 fours he was at 31(54), Shakib mean while had 42 (42) when the score board showed BD 142/3 after 22 overs chasing 219. The next 79 runs came in 7.3 overs of which 63(27) of them belonged to Shakib. What an entertaining knock that was. The match only lasted for 29.3 overs. Abdur Razzak got the MoM of the match for his 5 wicket haul. Shakib crossed his 2000 runs and upped his average to 36.10 with remaining 105*(69).

Zimbabwe will go back to the drawing boards, Bangladesh should/would do a lot of catching practice for sure.

Scorecard: http://www.cricinfo.com/bdeshvzim09/engine/current/match/422627.html

sbsash
October 29, 2009, 04:16 PM
What should we do with Ash? Keep him or Kick him out? He is really disappointing us.
play him as an allrounder

nobody should be in or out. few days ago, people are crying to leave out razzaq and junaed. see the outcome now.

in my opinion, ash should bat middle or lower order. my line up for 3rd game

tamim
Junaed
rokibul
shakib
mushfiq
mahmudullah
ashraful
nayeem
dollar/shahadat
razzaq
najmul

agree with you.Except I think Mushfiq should be played at 3rd and Rokib at 4th.Everyone else is fine.

nycpro96
October 29, 2009, 05:11 PM
I think riyad should be dropped next match for enamul jr

crikfreak
October 29, 2009, 06:04 PM
awesome match...awesome win...congrtaz boys...well done razzak n sakib...=)

deshifan
October 29, 2009, 07:27 PM
Now I want a 4-1 from here. :flag::flag::flag::flag:

nsd3
October 29, 2009, 08:26 PM
Rajib needs to be back in final 11.

OttomanAsg
October 29, 2009, 08:37 PM
I love u tigers :flag: .....
well done......
congratulations......

pichchi
October 30, 2009, 12:08 AM
time for match 3 thread- where are you Obayed bhai??

One World
October 30, 2009, 01:31 AM
Sakib batted with such audacity and abound confidence, it was so non-Bangladeshi!
:)