A lesson that ASH did not learn from Tendulkar !!

[Naimul_Hd]

By now, We all know that a 12 year kid, Sarfaraz Khan, smashed 439 runs in school tournament in Mumbai. He is now in the limelight of the media. He is considered to be the next little master who can follow the footsteps of Great Tendulkar. Here is his statement about Tendulkar:

"Once I touched my triple century, word came in about Sachin Tendulkar's mark of 358. That conquered, I managed 400. I was thrilled to bits."

Khan said the only time he had seen Tendulkar from up close was during the Indian Premier League last year when the master was giving batting tips to Mohammad Ashraful, a former captain of Bangladesh.

"I heard him tell Ashraful to watch the ball till the last moment before it left the bowler's hand, so that he gets more time to adjust his shot," said Khan.

"I have followed that advice and it has got me a lot of runs."


Now, you can easily understand, a boy who had never talked with Tendulkar, only by hearing from far away took the advice in his heart and followed them. On the other hand, Mr. Ash who got the privilege to play and talk with Tendulkar, did not take his advice seriously. Ash probably thought that, Tendulkar is giving him a boy's lesson and its an insult for him. But what he forgot tht its the Tendulkar the genius who can easily say what is your problem just by watching 2-3 overs in the net and thus Ash over looked his advice and still struggling and failing in each game.

So, Ash please learn your lesson that you get from other great batsmen from playing with them which many of the players donot get it easily before its too late.

Morar kale medicine khaye labh hoy na....!:-p

[raf-stah]

sad story really...im sure ash has not listened to many things though. this is just one example

good on the lad though.

[Zeeshan]

Good thread. Ash is in transitionary period; so def.there may be initial setbacks but he'll blossom.Experience counts a lot;worst thing is to axe him.
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[Rifat]

This is a great Thread. EXACTLY what BanglaCricket.com Needed.

[cricman]

Tendulkar gave Ash advice and he gave Zaheer, Pathan, Kumble and Harbajan the beating of there lives.

After that Tendulkar has been giving Ash bad advice

[Naimul_Hd]

This is a great Thread. EXACTLY what BanglaCricket.com Needed.


thanks. I wish Ash could read it as well and understand the true meaning of it. :D

[Naimul_Hd]

Good thread. Ash is in transitionary period; so def.there may be initial setbacks but he'll blossom.Experience counts a lot;worst thing is to axe him.
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If he understands his role and atleast tries to play according to his limitations then there is no need to axe him. Most often he tries to do what is beyond his capabilities. Now Tendulkar's innings of last match is a great example. Tendulkar hardly played any extravagant shots throughout his epic innings unlike Ash and he was nearly going to pull off a great victory. Tendulkar has all the shots in his book and he could have easily played BOOM BOOM shots as the target was massive but hey look he understood the situation and his role and played accordingly. We the fan just want an effort from Ash to do his job at his best abilities (no doubt about his abilities) ,thats it. Nothing more, nothing less !!!

[yaseer]

While having the tips from Tendulkar, Ash was thinking like, "dhurr, halai amare eisob polapainna tips ditase kan? Pashe darano oi picchi polatare eisob tips dile tau manaito. Ami bowler ball korar agei sob buijha thik koira feli ki shot khelmu, bowler er hat kheyal korar ki ase? "

[kalpurush]

While having the tips from Tendulkar, Ash was thinking like, "dhurr, halai amare eisob polapainna tips ditase kan? Pashe darano oi picchi polatare eisob tips dile tau manaito. Ami bowler ball korar agei sob buijha thik koira feli ki shot khelmu, bowler er hat kheyal korar ki ase? "
Ha! Ha!! funny you Yaseer bhai!;)

[moula]

While having the tips from Tendulkar, Ash was thinking like, "dhurr, halai amare eisob polapainna tips ditase kan? Pashe darano oi picchi polatare eisob tips dile tau manaito. Ami bowler ball korar agei sob buijha thik koira feli ki shot khelmu, bowler er hat kheyal korar ki ase? "

Ha! Ha!! funny you Yaseer bhai!;)

funny indeed. :o

[cricket_king]

If he understands his role and atleast tries to play according to his limitations then there is no need to axe him. Most often he tries to do what is beyond his capabilities. Now Tendulkar's innings of last match is a great example. Tendulkar hardly played any extravagant shots throughout his epic innings unlike Ash and yet he was able to pull off a great victory. Tendulkar has all the shots in his book and he could have easily played BOOM BOOM shots as the target was massive but hey look he understood the situation and his role and played accordingly. We the fan just want an effort from Ash to do his job at his best abilities (no doubt about his abilities) ,thats it. Nothing more, nothing less !!!

He didn't pull off the victory. India lost.

[Naimul_Hd]

He didn't pull off the victory. India lost.

yeah....my bad....got into too much emotion, anyway....i have edited already ! thanks for correcting me ! :D

[al Furqaan]

ashraful is doomed to never live up to his potential. he simply cannot play perfectly paced innings frequently enough. this is due mostly to poor shot selection + his only technical deficiency: driving on the up. that takes care of 90% of his failures with the other 10% coming as run outs and bad umpiring decisions. as a result ashraful is moved all around the order at least once every 6 months, and forced into different roles. when's somewhat in form, he's the number 4 or 5. when he's terribly out of form he's the number 6 or 7. when he's been enigmatic (like now) hes either told to open or come in at one down. this is despite the fact that his "natural" position is probably that of 4/5. now, we have rock and sakib who are in at 4/5 and it makes little sense to move them to accomodate ash. thus ash is in at 3, and may have to be moved to 6 or 7. the role he's forced to attempt varies from position to position, and this i think has hurt him.

after mulling it over, i think there are really only 2 options: play ashraful at one down, or move him to the lower middle order for quick cameo roles. there is of course the option of dropping him from the side altogether.

now the crucial question is should ashraful play at 6 or 7, where he has lesser chance to make a sizeable impact in the game even on his "Eid" days, or keep him at 3 where he will get you a patient 50 every 7 or 8 games, with 5 or 6 sub-20 scores, and the rare big innings on his "eid" days?

there really does not seem to be any compelling reason to choose one over the other. in which case, i am inclined to support either one. if my guess is right, Siddons is a patient man and will persist with ash at one down for the forseeable future.

[beshideshi]

i think the major problem with Ash is, he doesnt think. He has skills/technique and everything else one might need to succeed in international cricket. But he doest have the brain of a champion. That is my observation, could be wrong. But i dont think there could be any other reason why a batsman of his caliber has an avg of 23~.
Another thing Ash didn't have, but Sachin/Yuvraj/Dravid had was a mentor. No disrespect to any past players, but no one from our past generation really became a mentor for ashraful. He does have his coach obaedul, but I belive if he had a mentor who was also successful in international cricket, It would have made a great difference.

[Jesus87]

Ash lacks the mental potential. The best thing would be to axe him; he is holding back other talents to prove their worth. An average of 23 or below at number 3 is inexcusable after 150 matches. How can an incompetent batsman like him hold a place in the team after giving such inconsistent performance is a shocker? People like Nafees might be wondering how a dwarf with repeated failures can get so many opportunities while I get dropped for one bad World Cup.
A
sh and Junaid needs to be replaced with S. Nafees and maybe Rony Talukdar (give the new bloke a chance)

I don't think Ash can ever learn from the master (Sachin), there must be a lot going on in Ash's mind or I might be wrong maybe there is nothing at all. Anyway if a 12 year old takes the advice to his match why can't a murokho gordap learn, maybe the word "learn" doesn't exist in his dictionary.

[Purbasha T]

Tendulkar gave Ash advice and he gave Zaheer, Pathan, Kumble and Harbajan the beating of there lives.

After that Tendulkar has been giving Ash bad advice

Lol, yeah I think that's the case. Coz most of the smashing that Ash did was before this IPL. So Tendu surely gave Ash some bad advice (I'm sure the Sarfaraz guy didn't hear those, Tendu was careful not to make aware of his karyakram) and that's why Ash'd been doing so bad after that. :-p

[Fazal]

Last night I watched BD batting for 5th ODI.

After scoring a duck in 4th ODI, you would think Ash would start slowly as Tamim was just injured, Junaid is struggling and the target was reachable with moderate RR.

But no, he was in his old form....

1) Got a “life” and a lucky 4 at the beginning.
2) Tried to be too cute in his single.
3) And then too slow and not attentive and got run out. Just listen to the ZIM commentator: the run was there, but Ash made a basic mistake that players are supposed to know in their school days. As the FB release his ball, he need to step few steps forward and not just standing there stationary. That’s where he lost few seconds.

Players may have a bad day. But usually good players come back with more determination and cautious game plan and execute them in follow up games.

But ash went with is as usual carefree mode after his duck. These kind of small symptoms really tells the whole story…

That tells Gadha Petayee Ghora Banano Jai na.

[BD-Shardul]

Last night I watched BD batting for 5th ODI.

After scoring a duck in 4th ODI, you would think Ash would start slowly as Tamim was just injured, Junaid is struggling and the target was reachable with moderate RR.

But no, he was in his old form....

1) Got a “life” and a lucky 4 at the beginning.
2) Tried to be too cute in his single.
3) And then too slow and not attentive and got run out. Just listen to the ZIM commentator: the run was there, but Ash made a basic mistake that players are supposed to know in their school days. As the FB release his ball, he need to step few steps forward and not just standing there stationary. That’s where he lost few seconds.

Players may have a bad day. But usually good players come back with more determination and cautious game plan and execute them in follow up games.

But ash went with is as usual carefree mode after his duck. These kind of small symptoms really tells the whole story…

That tells Gadha Petayee Ghora Banano Jai na.


:notworthy:

[Zeeshan]

Well Ash needs a stache, that's what he needs. Right Asif bhai?

I am sure once he is growing facial hair he will have Samson like superhuman powers. I wonder if Senor Al-Furqaan can do a stats guru research with before and after where it shows the impact of facial hair on playing ability.

[simon]

thik bolchen Fazal bh.
Actually I believe in natural skills or god gifted talents.
Otherwise why would we have such a taent like Sakib all the way from Magura who used to love playing
football more than cricket.
I don't think Ash is as gifted as Sachin or that Sharfarz,Allah disabled his ability on learning from his
mistakes.
And I am afraid to say that his average won't improve.

[incredible]

i thought he is a very good listener ... :S

3rd or 4th ODI ...dont recall...

Brendan Taylor comes up to the stumps and goes...come on boys ..one mistake ...he will give it...

Our Ash looked back and smiled at Taylor..and guess what...2 balls later... he edges the ball.. :S

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the problem is ...we dont have the proper replacement for him yet...as soon as someone can stand up and put a fight for that spot...It will just be good for BD cricket

[Naimul_Hd]

i thought he is a very good listener ... :S

3rd or 4th ODI ...dont recall...

Brendan Taylor comes up to the stumps and goes...come on boys ..one mistake ...he will give it...

Our Ash looked back and smiled at Taylor..and guess what...2 balls later... he edges the ball.. :S


hahaha....i guess...when Ash comes to the wkt, every bowler wants to ball...even i think they fight each other to ball against Ash....coz who doesnt want a free/bonus wkt in his tally ! :D:D


Ash's role in the team is no more than a "Night watchman" where he comes to spend some time in the middle to settle down the pitch for later batsmen, while doing so he struggles playing balls, accidentally hits 1-2 fours and then withing 3-4 overs, he's gone !!! :D:D

[Naimul_Hd]

We lost patience with Gibbs - Procter

Procter explained that Gibbs' inconsistency had cost him his place and added that his omission will leave the door open for experimentation at the top of the order. [/B]


We are also going to see such news regarding ASH for sure in coming days unless Ash justifies his place in the team. :D

[Imteaz]

We should ask Wahidul Gani, why Ashraful don't know it when WG got all media juice for Ashraful and claim all credit for delivering Ashraful.

[Fazal]

Kesto betayee choor.... thukku ....Wahidul Gani is the latest scapegoat.:notworthy:

[BANFAN]

It's not learning, problem is how to implement it in match conditions. This is very basic and I think we have said it over and over here, that none of our batsmen actually were watching the ball at the point of delivery. So putting it all against Ash isn't fair.

This isn't something he has to learn from Tendulkar in IPL, after playing 150 ODIs. This is something all the players should have learnt from our coaches at the elementary level, if not, atleast the national team coaches. If he has heard it first from Tendulkar, then we are being delivered rubish at the price of gold; by the Ausie national team coaches.

[al Furqaan]

something he did learn: 175, followed by 10 off 17 caught and bowled.

hai rey ashraful!

[Imteaz]

Kesto betayee choor.... thukku ....Wahidul Gani is the latest scapegoat.:notworthy:

Not like that. The basic problems Ashraful has are because of Wahidul gani. He claim (Basically Media) that he is one of the best coach in Bangladesh because he is the initial coach of Ashraful . He is also got a job in BCB. However, he never accepts the discredit that he failed to improved some of his (Ash) basic problem. :)

[_Rafi_]

I think SN was also a student of Wahidul Gony. So he is not a bad coach.
Btw Ashraful's technic is ok, his problem is mental.
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[revolver]

mashallah

[BangladeshFan]

I think he will deliver more frequently now that he knows his place is under fire and there are several guys like aftab, kapali, SN etc. queueing for a spot. so all the problem and the countless concern and countless threads about ashraful........ will resolve itself , when we got competition in that batting order.

[Fazal]

Not like that. The basic problems Ashraful has are because of Wahidul gani. He claim (Basically Media) that he is one of the best coach in Bangladesh because he is the initial coach of Ashraful . He is also got a job in BCB. However, he never accepts the discredit that he failed to improved some of his (Ash) basic problem. :)

Wahidul gani's fault has nothing to do with Ash's short comming.

Wahidul gani's fault is he tried to get too much credit for Ash's initial startdom and his faults end there.

When a player with Ash's lengthy career, failed to learn and rectify his shortcomming after being exposed to so may coaches and international players and playing so many games in the highest level, nobody but only the player himself, Ashraful, is to be blamed.

Blaming anybody else is nothing but trying to find a scapegoat as I mentioned before. And in that aspect Ash and his loyal fans are pretty good at that.

[mij]

A lesson that ASH did not learn from Tendulkar !!

Ash will never learn.

[t697318]

that'z the problem with ash, and now his place in the side is doubtful, kapali nafes aftab ahmad is coming back

[fwullah]

I don't wish it to come true for Ashraful; but how come when Mashrafee, Shakib gets injured and almost all the players get injured - and Ashraful has no injury at all?

[auntu]

I think SN was also a student of Wahidul Gony. So he is not a bad coach.
Btw Ashraful's technic is ok, his problem is mental.
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True we need BK bhai to take charge of him.
Javed bhai where are you?

[tiger_club]

keeping him sidelined is the best option.. that will give him sometime to groom his maturity though I don't think it will work coz he will never learn.. I'm hoping to see his ODI avg 30+ and test avg 40+ ...I'm afraid by then I'll be old and bold

[Imteaz]

Wahidul gani's fault has nothing to do with Ash's short comming.

Wahidul gani's fault is he tried to get too much credit for Ash's initial startdom and his faults end there.

When a player with Ash's lengthy career, failed to learn and rectify his shortcomming after being exposed to so may coaches and international players and playing so many games in the highest level, nobody but only the player himself, Ashraful, is to be blamed.

Blaming anybody else is nothing but trying to find a scapegoat as I mentioned before. And in that aspect Ash and his loyal fans are pretty good at that.

Absolutely Right. :)

[Neel Here]

Good thread. Ash is in transitionary period; so def.there may be initial setbacks but he'll blossom.Experience counts a lot;worst thing is to axe him.
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