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Rommel
January 4, 2010, 07:05 AM
Yeah thats right, your boy is making you eat your words. 5 50's in 14 innings since the captaincy was gone. keep on going Ash and leave them haters in the rear view mirror where they belong!

cricman
January 4, 2010, 07:09 AM
shhh!

He's improving, showing off his gears for T_E Bhai.

The Pressure put on by the ICL returnees put responsibility on him

amar11432
January 4, 2010, 07:11 AM
Hopefully he is a bit more mature.

Equinox
January 4, 2010, 07:11 AM
pwned :-D

BangladeshFan
January 4, 2010, 07:17 AM
The competion for his place will make him perform.

We need Ashraful, but we dont need Raqibul (other than tests).

nahaz
January 4, 2010, 07:19 AM
If we, dare I say it, win, Ash would be a big hero to a lot of ppl, but bet you if we lose, some would say we lost because he batted too slow and he doesn't have the gears.

Well done Ash..really mature innings, given the wickets falling at the start. You were the backbone of the team today. Hope Sakib feeds you Biriyani today if we win. (maybe that should be the MoM award for our team members from now on:-D)

Ashfaq
January 4, 2010, 07:20 AM
It's good to see Ash lpay the way he is supposed to. Anchor and destroyer all wrapped up in one.

I just hope this wasn't the Annual Ash-Eid day.

nahaz
January 4, 2010, 07:30 AM
Ash ashole khushi chilo nabeshir bhag shomoy tar innings niye...so he doesn't count it as Eid. Against India, he'll try to do better. Good luck to India:)

Antora
January 4, 2010, 07:31 AM
I must say, I was impressed the way Ash played today. Although, I will only be happy if he can keep playing like this. Other than that, this just seemed like one of those rare "eids"

Rommel
January 4, 2010, 07:32 AM
I must say, I was impressed the way Ash played today. Although, I will only be happy if he can keep playing like this. Other than that, this just seemed like one of those rare "eids"

5 50's in 14 innings. This wasn't random at all. Ladies and gents, Ashraful is here to stay!

Ajfar
January 4, 2010, 07:34 AM
i don't like being labeled as a basher so here is my opinion on this. I criticize a player just as much as i support him. I criticized Ash plenty of times because he was doing things wrong, but that doesn't make me a hater or any less of a supporter than any other fans out there. Its nice to see Ash carry on his DPL form into the tri series. lets see how the rest of the series plays out to be.

roi
January 4, 2010, 07:37 AM
There you go....typical bangli mentality.
Here he scores a 70+ and we all start making him hero.
Anyway, he will be failed for next few matches and ppl will start killing him here and there.

I am not a Ash hate...but not a big fan of 'once in a upon' innings.
But always good to see he is scoring and bangladeh is flying.

Very good and mature innings...hope to come much more frequent.

rezwansyed
January 4, 2010, 07:37 AM
Wow bro...5 eid-days out of 14 occasions! I was starting to think what u ash-haters define as eid-day...how many ducks did ash got out of these 14 occasions after the little 1 lost cap.? So ashhaters, think before u say..coz u r the ones who has to eat ur own goddamn words after watching the little1!!
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Rommel
January 4, 2010, 07:37 AM
i don't like being labeled as a basher so here is my opinion on this. I criticize a player just as much as i support him. I criticized Ash plenty of times because he was doing things wrong, but that doesn't make me a hater or any less of a supporter than any other fans out there. Its nice to see Ash carry on his DPL form into the tri series. lets see how the rest of the series plays out to be.

yeah i'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the blind haters like Fazal.

Rommel
January 4, 2010, 07:39 AM
There you go....typical bangli mentality.
Here he scores a 70+ and we all start making him hero.
Anyway, he will be failed for next few matches and ppl will start killing him here and there.

I am not a Ash hate...but not a big fan of 'once in a upon' innings.
But always good to see he is scoring and bangladeh is flying.

Very good and mature innings...hope to come much more frequent.

typical "bangli" mentality huh? Maybe you should do a little research or hell, just read the first post! This isn't a "once in the moon" type of innings. Ash has been scoring 50's as of late, and he performed well in the DPL. Its not like this innings came out of nowhere. Merked.

riankhan
January 4, 2010, 07:43 AM
I am a proud member of AHC (Ash Hater's Club), and declaring today as a EID day. I will feel very SAD if he (Ash) proves me wrong by performing consistently in next few matches...........:D

_Rafi_
January 4, 2010, 07:44 AM
here is another Ash hater
Not just Ash anymore (http://www.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/current/story/442123.html)

roi
January 4, 2010, 07:48 AM
Take a look at Ash's statistics.
He have scored 3 100's and 19 50's out of his 145 innings.
Which means he only scored 50+ innings in every 6.5 innings.
in other words, he have 15% provability of scoring 50+ in every innings.

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rezwansyed
January 4, 2010, 07:48 AM
Now this is what i want, shahriar nafees and aftab in the team next match replacing imrul &roqibul. Lets see how saqib bowls. If he performs the same while bowling, lets give him 2more matches..if still he doesnt improve, i think it'll be time to call in alok to the 11...mushfiq stays as vc and the cap goes back to ash...wat do u ppl say?
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Murad
January 4, 2010, 08:27 AM
It was a great innings. HOpe he will show his magic in the next games as well!

:bravo:

Tintin
January 4, 2010, 08:36 AM
5 50's in 14 innings. This wasn't random at all. Ladies and gents, Ashraful is here to stay!

Nice try. If you stretch it a little bit, you'll get 5 50's in the last 21 innings.

Going by his history, the quota for this series is over. In nearly four years, the 2009 WI series was the only time when he scored more than one 50 in a series.

simon
January 4, 2010, 10:37 AM
Ash usually plays well the first match of every series or tournament.
Like today,both times against NZ home & away,during SA tour,in WI,in Zim (102) & maybe in Asia cup.

akabir77
January 4, 2010, 10:46 AM
Comon... I always backed ash but that doesn't mean he didn't deserve the hate. if every body would back him like you then he would be still the ediot he was. I applued the people who hated him and put pressure on him. I know why you hated him cause you knew like us that he got the pottential and he was not using it... I 100% agree with those people who hated him for lack of using his tallent. BTW I think this thread is too early. his avg is still under 30. he needs to score more than 6/7 50s in only 14/15 games when he already played 100+ matches. even golla could have had better avg if he had the chances and played that many games...

AsifTheManRahman
January 4, 2010, 10:55 AM
He needs to be more consistent. For someone who has been around for ten years, it's about time he takes up some responsibility and plays like this more often. Unfortunately, we've probably been saying the same thing after every series this decade.

He deserves the hate that he gets (note that "hate" is a loose term here and shouldn't always be taken literally), but he has shown in the DPL that he's clearly better than many others we have in the pipeline. I don't think many people left him out of their predicted XI's before the tri-series, because right now he's the best we got.

I think with Ash the problem is not only that he doesn't score frequently enough, but also that he isn't as good as he should be given how long he's been around.

revolver
January 4, 2010, 11:03 AM
great innings.

fais
January 4, 2010, 11:13 AM
hope to see a lot more of this. if our top order can keep on performing (even better than today) than we can hope to put on scores closer to 300 esp. with naeem powerhitting at the end

Rubu
January 4, 2010, 11:42 AM
As I was one of them who did not lose faith in Ash and wanted him in the team, I say, this is not the time to brag about him. He did not win the game for us (for whatever reason we lost).

Let him be responsible and perform consistently, then, we'll continiously brag about him. 'Til then, hold your tongue.

bangla-red
January 4, 2010, 11:46 AM
I swear that he has one good innings at the start of a series, and then failures?

Although, credit is deserved, that was well-timed... unfortunately not quick enough to give us the victory (not a criticism)

Tiger Manc
January 4, 2010, 12:36 PM
There you go....typical bangli mentality.
Here he scores a 70+ and we all start making him hero.
Anyway, he will be failed for next few matches and ppl will start killing him here and there.

I am not a Ash hate...but not a big fan of 'once in a upon' innings.
But always good to see he is scoring and bangladeh is flying.

Very good and mature innings...hope to come much more frequent.

Well said. It would be interesting to see what his die hard followers will say when he scores 5 and 15 in his next 2 innings.

r_kalar_2
January 4, 2010, 01:20 PM
Now this is what i want, shahriar nafees and aftab in the team next match replacing imrul &roqibul. Lets see how saqib bowls. If he performs the same while bowling, lets give him 2more matches..if still he doesnt improve, i think it'll be time to call in alok to the 11...mushfiq stays as vc and the cap goes back to ash...wat do u ppl say?
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Omio
January 4, 2010, 01:27 PM
Ash hater der pitao.. :)

bujhee kom
January 4, 2010, 01:31 PM
Ash did good! I wish him all the best! May Allah make Ash the strongest and the merciless big scoring batsman that he can be!

_Rafi_
January 4, 2010, 01:42 PM
Is this thread directed towards Fajal mamu? Where is he?

zainab
January 4, 2010, 03:28 PM
Now Sakib will know what it feels like to be the losing captain against these strong teams.

Poor Ash had to endure a couple years of humiliating defeat, and Sakib will have to stomach these defeats.

Eshen
January 4, 2010, 03:33 PM
There you go....typical bangli mentality.
Here he scores a 70+ and we all start making him hero.
Anyway, he will be failed for next few matches and ppl will start killing him here and there.

I am not a Ash hate...but not a big fan of 'once in a upon' innings.
But always good to see he is scoring and bangladeh is flying.

Very good and mature innings...hope to come much more frequent.

Nice try. If you stretch it a little bit, you'll get 5 50's in the last 21 innings.

Going by his history, the quota for this series is over. In nearly four years, the 2009 WI series was the only time when he scored more than one 50 in a series.
Ditto

He needed this innings to save his own a$$ as both Aftab and SN waiting in the bench to take his slot. But I doubt we will see another fifty from him in the series now that he has assured his survival.

Tigers_eye
January 4, 2010, 03:34 PM
I just hope them rush of blood don't come back. After the hundred against Zim he was a no show.

Beamer
January 4, 2010, 03:41 PM
Ditto

He needed this innings to save his own a$$ as both Aftab and SN waiting in the bench to take his slot. But I doubt we will see another fifty from him in the series now that he has assured his survival.

If anything, either Aftab or SN, if they make a comeback, it will be at the expense of Rakib who is a bit of clueless lately in ODI's. The way Rakib plays at no.4, anyone from among Rahim or Riad can do his job equally well or better. I like Rakib and I hope he gets back to the days when he first came around.

revolver
January 4, 2010, 04:15 PM
hope ash continues this form and play good through out the series

Rifat
January 4, 2010, 04:34 PM
about me:

I am not a Ash Hater, i am an Ash criticizer, there's a dfference poeple ;)

yeah, I LOVED the way he played today. him playing like this will ensure more Bangladesh scoring
250+ about every game.

tigerpain
January 4, 2010, 04:43 PM
It is indeed good to seeing him scoring well...don't just carried away becoz he did 5 50's in last 3 yrs!!! Gee put my grandma with bat she will probably have had 2 100's by that time... Do you see Ash is not our only hope... we got other talents to explore with in... make your self a valuable player and make your mark!!! We are not hater other than well wisher for our team...So watch your comment when you use word "hater"... cheers!!!:)


Yeah thats right, your boy is making you eat your words. 5 50's in 14 innings since the captaincy was gone. keep on going Ash and leave them haters in the rear view mirror where they belong!

wiseshah
January 4, 2010, 05:02 PM
Now this is what i want, shahriar nafees and aftab in the team next match replacing imrul &roqibul. Lets see how saqib bowls. If he performs the same while bowling, lets give him 2more matches..if still he doesnt improve, i think it'll be time to call in alok to the 11...mushfiq stays as vc and the cap goes back to ash...wat do u ppl say?

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wiseshah
January 4, 2010, 05:04 PM
why ash performed?

i think its side bench's heat.

aftab, nafees, kapali and lot others are waiting to grab one of Xi position, so no alternatives than perform, its all healthy

abu2abu
January 4, 2010, 05:10 PM
I don't know anyone on BC who could accurately be described as an "ash hater". Disappointed by ash sure, but not a "hater".

In fact Ash's performance today surely reinforces the point his critics have been making: he needs to bat more sensibly as he did today. He didn't score a boundary until we was into the 30s, that's not the ash people have been complaining about, that's the ash BC fans are yearning for...

Fazal
January 4, 2010, 05:11 PM
Hmmm ... Another As$ kisser is exposed.

This was a good innings from the view point that it made the difference between humiliating loss and "shomman Jonok loss". In a batting friendly pitch against Sri Lanka who just scored 400+ against India, a 260 target will not bring us a win anythime soon.

Its true, his 75 runs in 95 balls (SR 79) was instrumental in stabilizing the batting collapse and helped avoid humiliating loss. Its also true that his innings had the commponent how to build innings as a #3 batsman. But it was not a gem as some people are proclaimimg. His slow start was resonable and according to need and his attacking at the the end was what it should be. But the the thing that prevented his innings to be a perfect was the middle. i.e no second gear. He was too late concentrating on the RR....he kept in 1st gear too long and moved to 3rd gear too late comepletely forgeting the 2nd gear.

Thats where (plus other few places) we missed the opportunity to score 20/30 more runs. that could have made the difference from a good face saving innings to a match winning dominationg innings.

To be honest, I enjoyed Ryiad and naeem's innings more than Ashraful's. Those two all rounder players played exactly what was needed at that time in the innings. Ryiad wasted no lose ball and keeping the runs flowings and Naeem wasted no ball at all and went for all out attack and gave us 15+ unexpected extra runs with mimimum opportunity.

So to all my As$ kisser friends....hold you lips for better occasion (if it ever happens) or/and rather better player.

... and by the way, if your Motin Da plays his role a bit, why should any BD fans will complain? Sometime it looks like you guys are confused who we are supposed to support in the first place... the team? or Motin Da?

At least in this game there is nothing to complain about Motin. So why should we complain about Motin after this game? On the other hand, this doesn't require a new thread either. There are better things to do you know... rather than trying to smell the fart every time Motin Da releases one.

cricman
January 4, 2010, 05:15 PM
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detshoitan
January 4, 2010, 05:41 PM
Ash is set to score 0-10 runs for next 8 months

Zeeshan
January 4, 2010, 05:47 PM
So to all my As$ kisser friends....hold you lips for better occasion (if it ever happens) or/and rather better player.



lol hahahahaa

Purbasha T
January 4, 2010, 06:09 PM
So to all my As$ kisser friends....hold you lips for better occasion (if it ever happens) or/and rather better player.


lol hahahahaa

You're laughing at that? I'm laughing at this. :D


There are better things to do you know... rather than trying to smell the fart every time Motin Da releases one.

magic boy
January 4, 2010, 06:30 PM
হাসি চেপে রাখা দায়

tail-ender
January 4, 2010, 08:24 PM
Hmmm ... Another As$ kisser is exposed.

This was a good innings from the view point that it made the difference between humiliating loss and "shomman Jonok loss". In a batting friendly pitch against Sri Lanka who just scored 400+ against India, a 260 target will not bring us a win anythime soon.

Its true, his 75 runs in 95 balls (SR 79) was instrumental in stabilizing the batting collapse and helped avoid humiliating loss. Its also true that his innings had the commponent how to build innings as a #3 batsman. But it was not a gem as some people are proclaimimg. His slow start was resonable and according to need and his attacking at the the end was what it should be. But the the thing that prevented his innings to be a perfect was the middle. i.e no second gear. He was too late concentrating on the RR....he kept in 1st gear too long and moved to 3rd gear too late comepletely forgeting the 2nd gear.

Thats where (plus other few places) we missed the opportunity to score 20/30 more runs. that could have made the difference from a good face saving innings to a match winning dominationg innings.

To be honest, I enjoyed Ryiad and naeem's innings more than Ashraful's. Those two all rounder players played exactly what was needed at that time in the innings. Ryiad wasted no lose ball and keeping the runs flowings and Naeem wasted no ball at all and went for all out attack and gave us 15+ unexpected extra runs with mimimum opportunity.

So to all my As$ kisser friends....hold you lips for better occasion (if it ever happens) or/and rather better player.

... and by the way, if your Motin Da plays his role a bit, why should any BD fans will complain? Sometime it looks like you guys are confused who we are supposed to support in the first place... the team? or Motin Da?

At least in this game there is nothing to complain about Motin. So why should we complain about Motin after this game? On the other hand, this doesn't require a new thread either. There are better things to do you know... rather than trying to smell the fart every time Motin Da releases one.

With so many complains fazal said there was NOTHING to complain 'bout in this match..don't u think it was a gem atleast in BD standard?...and i think You r more intererted in his 'farts' bcuz no one else focuses on the ugly sides of ash better than u.....

I think 'fazal' is actualy 'jalal'.he's so logical about other things,in case of ash he can't hide his hatred...admit it or not,ASH IS IMPROVING...and its not because of ur criticisms,it's because of the pressure from the benchwarmers..but even with pressure it sure needs 'ability' 2 perform.
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t697318
January 4, 2010, 08:46 PM
i don't know y u guys are hailing 5 50's in 14 innings as a good thing. a man of ashraful's potential can do better. the last 4 50's came from depleted bowling attacks. i was a huge ashraful fan, but now i think he is more of a wastage than an asset. it's all in consistancy. 5 in 14 that shows how incostsistant he is. the other times he got out for peanuts.

Beamer
January 4, 2010, 08:57 PM
Fazal is suffering from Ashinitis...lol...

tiger_club
January 4, 2010, 09:02 PM
right timing for Ash! 2010 with a bang.. hope he continues this good form and doesn't get carried away..

Beamer
January 4, 2010, 09:10 PM
Fazal

I think the sudden collapse of middle order made him bat the way he did, which was the right thing to do under the circumstances. Imagine if he attempted a boneone headed shot after the collapse, which he is quite capable of, only to throw his wkt away in the process, you and your likes will be the first one screaming and hollering for his head. Instead, he did the right thing by sticking around, let partnerships develop, and in combination with others helped reach a respectable score. Bowlers and dew factor made sure it was not enough to defend, but he did his job yesterday and I see no reason to be critical of him at least for one day. Unless, of course, somebody is hell bent on finding a fault, and in that case it just isn't worth a discussion since reason is out the window.

Fazal
January 4, 2010, 10:10 PM
Fazal

I think the sudden collapse of middle order made him bat the way he did, which was the right thing to do under the circumstances. Imagine if he attempted a boneone headed shot after the collapse, which he is quite capable of, only to throw his wkt away in the process, you and your likes will be the first one screaming and hollering for his head. Instead, he did the right thing by sticking around, let partnerships develop, and in combination with others helped reach a respectable score. Bowlers and dew factor made sure it was not enough to defend, but he did his job yesterday and I see no reason to be critical of him at least for one day. Unless, of course, somebody is hell bent on finding a fault, and in that case it just isn't worth a discussion since reason is out the window.

Beamer,

I you read my comments again you will see that, I don't have any problem Ash starting slowly to avoid total batting collapse. I also said it was a good overall-all knock, a innings building knock and basically not much to complain. But I guess you will also agree that at the end of his innings a 75 runs in 95 balls (SR 79) cannot be considered a gem in a batting friendly pitch. Even after BD innings was re-established, he was kind of a bit late accelerating the inning to be considered a gem of an innings even though it was a surprisingly right approach (more or less) by Ash that need better tuning to be a gem of an innings from #3 batsman.

Even BD took the power play few overs late, still Ash and Co failed to fully utilize the last power play (five overs). naeem did most of the damage in last over (non power play) what Ash and co are supposed to do in 45 to 49 overs (power play overs).

So yes it was a good solid innings, no it was not a gem of an innings nor was it a match winning type of innings.

If you read my comment, I didn't opened any thread bashing Ash, nor did I deprive him his due for his solid innings. I was pointing out it was not a gem or match winning type of innings rather an innings to make sure we have a "Shomman Jonok porajoy".

Dew factor is not a surprise, but well known to the team. It is also well known that these SRI and IND teams can score 400+ runs in a batting friendly pitch. So a target of 260 is not going to win us games against these team that often.

Now if "Shomman Jonok Porajoy" and a target of 260 is the team goal then, yes he accomplished the goal. But if the target was 300, then his 75 runs in 95 balls (SR 79) was one of the few factors (others like Tamim's out at wrong time followed by Rakib, and Shakib; a little slow SR by Rahim, Naeem batting too low in the batting order, etc) why we didn't reach a higher target.

Nobody is asking Ash to hit from the get-go specially with the batting collapse that we witness in this game. But at the end of the innings you would expect a better run rate from a player who wasted 95 balls in a batting friendly pitch. The SR was not ugly, but now a days a SR 79 (after staying for 95 balls) will be considered a bit low by a top order batsman.

al Furqaan
January 4, 2010, 10:14 PM
Its true, his 75 runs in 95 balls (SR 79) was instrumental in stabilizing the batting collapse and helped avoid humiliating loss. Its also true that his innings had the commponent how to build innings as a #3 batsman. But it was not a gem as some people are proclaimimg. His slow start was resonable and according to need and his attacking at the the end was what it should be. But the the thing that prevented his innings to be a perfect was the middle. i.e no second gear. He was too late concentrating on the RR....he kept in 1st gear too long and moved to 3rd gear too late comepletely forgeting the 2nd gear.


pulled up the scorecard (was traveling so i missed the match and have seen only TI and IK's parternship...will move onto shafiul and rubel's pace watch once i'm done with this post, and inshallah Ash's innings tomorrow).

in our earlier discussions (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=31616&highlight=ashraful%27s+gears) - God, i love ash's gems, BC, cricket, and statistics - i [arbitrarily] introduced my idea that ODI cricket contains no more than four gears. just to reiterate:

1st = SR less than 50
2nd = SR 50-70
3rd = SR 70-90
4th = SR 90+

you've mentioned three gears, and i don't disagree, but i think three is too few and five is too many and we could just have infinite gears for every possible SR that exists, which is just silly.

so, if we can all agree to the above four gears, this is what we have for today's match only.

Ash's innings can be divided as follows:

PP overs - 1 run, 4 balls (SR = 25 => 1st gear)
Middle overs (16-39) - 36 runs off 63 balls (SR = 57 => 2nd gear)
Slog overs (40-50 regardless of batting PP) - 38 off 27 (SR = 140 => 4th gear)

but if we split the middle overs into 2 roughly equal halves of 31 balls and 32 balls, we see:

14 runs from first 31 balls = SR 45 => high 1st gear
22 runs from last 32 balls = SR 69 => high 2nd gear

at this point differentiating between strike rate differences of 1 or 5 units is a bit pedantic, and we see that ash batted, technically, in 1st, 2nd, and 4th gears, skipping 3rd gear altogether. but once we break down the long middle overs segment (the bulk of his innings or 63 balls) we see a near 2nd and a veritable 3rd gear is present.

in other words, first 4 balls SR was 50, next 31 (45), next 32 (69), and last 27 (140). in other words, ash very nearly displayed all 4 gears.

also noteworthy is his SSR (singles strike rate). 6 boundaries, translated to 24 runs and a SSR of 57.95...which is more than solid.



Thats where (plus other few places) we missed the opportunity to score 20/30 more runs. that could have made the difference from a good face saving innings to a match winning dominationg innings.

i won't disagree here...if his 2nd gear strike rate was closer to 60, and his 3rd gear closer to 80, we'd have a 10-15 runs more to the total at least. that being said, i'm quite well pleased with this effort, regardless of the mitigating circumstances, if any.

To be honest, I enjoyed Ryiad and naeem's innings more than Ashraful's. Those two all rounder players played exactly what was needed at that time in the innings. Ryiad wasted no lose ball and keeping the runs flowings and Naeem wasted no ball at all and went for all out attack and gave us 15+ unexpected extra runs with mimimum opportunity.

riyad batted well, but we really can't rely on them to bowl, not even 5 overs unless against rank minnows. naeem and and riyad did exactly what they were supposed to. also, with lesser "talent" tags than ashraful, they should be praised for pulling more than their own weight even if ashraful's pulls his share.

So to all my As$ kisser friends....hold you lips for better occasion (if it ever happens) or/and rather better player.

again i agree though i wish i couldn't. i've always maintained, that ashraful will stay so long as a better version is not discovered in the nets somewhere. up till now, no player has shown the "game-breaking" quality apart from shakib, and shakib is presently in a rut of a form right now. Tamim and aftab both have loads of potential, but squander good starts habitually. there is however hope for them all.

once a player with ashraful's unique abilities who is also consistent, even moderately so, comes along, he will be a very very good cricket player. but i think the last 2 DPL seasons have also proven fortuitous for ashraful and his fans. he's been consistent over 2 seasons and 25+ innings, averaging nearly 40 in those combined seasons. i doubt he's ever done this before. of course we might question why it hasn't translated into an ODI average of at least 30. but here i think it will slowly get implemented since the standard between DPL and ODI is obviously huge.

also noteworthy is the observation by some that ashraful no longer has that game-breaking killer instinct. the type of "juice" that he displayed and earned in spades at cardiff, trent bridge, and guyana seem to be long gone, instead replaced by a Javed Omar like workmanship.

again i have an answer. ashraful is a confused cricketer because of his talent and the nation's lack of the same commodity. he can't harness it, and as both a result and a cause, we can't figure out what his job description should be. should he attack like afridi, or build like dravid?

as a result ash has batted at every position under the sun, from #1 to #7 and back again, and then forward once more. so much so, that we don't even know what his "natural" position is or if he even has one. its a chicken or an egg issue and brings us back to the point of his seeming lack of explosive power.

i'd argue that ash has spent a good deal of time the last 2 years batting at number 3, in Siddon's ongoing plan of moulding or re-moulding ashraful into a stabilizer with combustive power, who can avoid the new ball yet still maximize the number of deliveries he faces. as a number three, the onus is put more on consolidation and gradual accumulation as opposed to slog-hitting, especially when our most common batting context is 40-3 after 12 overs.

today's innings, while being short of spectacular and definitely not "match-winning", is still a significant knock, especially in our tiny (but rapidly growing) cricketing anthology. it illustrates not only what ashraful should be doing, but what he is also capable of doing as well.


... and by the way, if your Motin Da plays his role a bit, why should any BD fans will complain? Sometime it looks like you guys are confused who we are supposed to support in the first place... the team? or Motin Da?

At least in this game there is nothing to complain about Motin. So why should we complain about Motin after this game? On the other hand, this doesn't require a new thread either. There are better things to do you know... rather than trying to smell the fart every time Motin Da releases one.

perhaps its my partisanship vis a vis Ashraful, but this sounds excessive and uncalled for. may also be a tad personal for the resident ash-kissers as well, of which i am a member by default i guess.

Fazal
January 4, 2010, 10:19 PM
I think 'fazal' is actualy 'jalal'..

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I think you think too much.

I also think that you think that just because I don't think that I should do all those thinking about Ashraful and wet my bed and thinking its all those ashraful haters who may be thinking that I should thinking wearing a diaper should solve my thinking problem....

but then I was thinking let those as$ lovers do all the thinking and start thinking more useless thread opening thinking and not thinking that its not the player that we support, but its the team that we support.....

bottom line too much thinking takes you nowehere

Zeeshan
January 4, 2010, 10:39 PM
thats megapwng...

Fazal
January 4, 2010, 10:39 PM
perhaps its my partisanship vis a vis Ashraful, but this sounds excessive and uncalled for. may also be a tad personal for the resident ash-kissers as well, of which i am a member by default i guess.

al Furqaan,

I have quite a few lively discussion regarding Ashraful with you and Beamer, and some others, but from my point I never consider you guys a As$ kisser. I guess we both agree that team comes first and players second. Our disagreement (in the past) was you guys thought Ash still bring value and I (and some) thought Ash was deadwood in the team for a while and was hurting the team. And I guess we can disagree to agree.

You guys never personally attacked me; not did you guys said I am a hater. Nor you guys opened a thread "where are those Ash haters" or within the thread asked where is fazal, the Ash hater, is hiding...

We discussed what Ash brings to the team and agreed to disagree. So be assured I am not name calling you guys. Just because you may enjoy Ash as a player and still want him in the team ( as believe Ash brings some value in the the team) doesn't make you a As% kisser in the same way just because someone see no value of Ash in the team doesn't make him a Ashraful hater.

I was addressing those guys who opens these kind of meaning less thread to pick up a fight and specially calling my names as one of the Ash haters.

Why should I hate a player when he has some meaningful contribution to the team like Ashraful did in last game? if he continue to do that, there will be no need of criticism or wanting him out. But first he need to do that in a consistent basis. a 23 average tells us that he is not doing that for a while now.

Zeeshan
January 4, 2010, 10:41 PM
perhaps its my partisanship vis a vis Ashraful, but this sounds excessive and uncalled for. may also be a tad personal for the resident ash-kissers as well, of which i am a member by default i guess.

second that...

Fazal
January 4, 2010, 10:57 PM
again i have an answer. ashraful is a confused cricketer because of his talent and the nation's lack of the same commodity. he can't harness it, and as both a result and a cause, we can't figure out what his job description should be. should he attack like afridi, or build like dravid?


While You try to think what should be confused Ash's role, I see it from team's perspective. At #3 slot I would like to see neither Afridi nor Dravid. Rather my role model would be someone like Inzy and/or Yunus, the way they build the innings and when they stay long enough, they end uo having an very healthy SR.

Now for at #6 to #8, (based on how team is build) I can see a Afridi type players.

Now if Ash fits and able to deliver the goods as required by the slot in consideration, then he should bat there rather than the team trying to accommodate for him in wrong slot.

layperson
January 4, 2010, 11:06 PM
All I read from Fazal is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.... Bottom line is if fazal is a not an ash hater then I am a Bangladeshi Awami League lover.... even in this innings he managed to find points to criticise the player ashraful.

He is saying Ashraful is the reason we are 20-30 runs short and the difference between shommanjonok porajoy and a win. MY question to crystal ball Fazal is : what would you have said if BD scored 300 and still lost the game ? when bangladesh were batting there was no way for any of the batsmen to think of shommanjonok porajoy because we were setting the target for the opppostion and we did not just plan to bat out the 50 overs. we scored more than 250 albeit in a flat track but it's not as if BD scores 250+ on flat tracks on a regular basis.... we lost the game because of our bowling more specifically in the first 10 overs of the SL innings. we would have lost the the match even if we scored 320 given the kind of start SL got and the dew factor at the end did not help our spinners either so it was bowling that cost us the match. There was nothing wrong with Ahsraful's innings. He paced it wonderfully. A strike rate of 79 is very good for a number 3 batsman. ts because of this 79 strike rate that naeem and the others could have a go at the bowlers in the end. Credit should be given where credit is due. Your criticism of ashraful has gone beyond being objective its personal now.

al Furqaan
January 4, 2010, 11:36 PM
al Furqaan,

I have quite a few lively discussion regarding Ashraful with you and Beamer, and some others, but from my point I never consider you guys a As$ kisser. I guess we both agree that team comes first and players second. Our disagreement (in the past) was you guys thought Ash still bring value and I (and some) thought Ash was deadwood in the team for a while and was hurting the team. And I guess we can disagree to agree.

You guys never personally attacked me; not did you guys said I am a hater. Nor you guys opened a thread "where are those Ash haters" or within the thread asked where is fazal, the Ash hater, is hiding...

We discussed what Ash brings to the team and agreed to disagree. So be assured I am not name calling you guys. Just because you may enjoy Ash as a player and still want him in the team ( as believe Ash brings some value in the the team) doesn't make you a As% kisser in the same way just because someone see no value of Ash in the team doesn't make him a Ashraful hater.

I was addressing those guys who opens these kind of meaning less thread to pick up a fight and specially calling my names as one of the Ash haters.

Why should I hate a player when he has some meaningful contribution to the team like Ashraful did in last game? if he continue to do that, there will be no need of criticism or wanting him out. But first he need to do that in a consistent basis. a 23 average tells us that he is not doing that for a while now.

i didn't take any offense to your ***-kisser comments. i know you and i know that you are a genuine guy and i particularily liked your comments after ash's last century. i was only pointing out that others may not understand that, and therefore the last part about modon da's paad mara should have been omitted from your post. besides, it muddles the intellectuality of the rest of your post, which whilst i disagree with parts, has a high value for sheer critical thought. that is what this forum is for, thats why we all signed up.

i agree, ash was certainly being deadwood for a while, especially in tests. however i think we often take his T20 and test failings and misplace it to his ODI record, which is erratic, but not not woeful. bottom line is, no replacement for him exists unless we excessively sacrifice potential for mediocrity + consistency. i don't even think we have a version for the latter even! thats how necessary ashraful is, no matter how frustrating his lack of application or indifference is.

this i think is the primary sticking point.

i too think its a bit OTT to brand this innings as a gem lke cardiff or guyana (which resulted in wins) or even trent bridge (which was a massive loss like today). but even in trent bridge there wasn't the composure and "classicism" of batting as there was today.

again i havent watched the innings, but i will tomorrow after which i can expound some more perhaps.

we aren't in a good spot, but if we do as you propose, i think we shall be worse off.

BANFAN
January 5, 2010, 03:50 AM
I don't want to interfere, but there were certain comments that one cannot even agree to disagree.

nahaz
January 5, 2010, 04:40 AM
Mr Fazal, I agree to an extent that Ashraful was a tad slow in the middle overs. If you could ask him, he'd hav agreed. I could see his frustration when he was half-heartedly trying to hit some balls for 4, but all he was gettting was a single. The reason was simply this: we had lost 4 wickets way too quickly, including Sakib and there wasn't much left in the shed. Once Mushfiq got out, we were two wickets away from all-out for 170. Ashraful played a very sensible innings as he could only trust himself to anchor the innings as he did, and this allowed us to even get to 260.

BLAMING him in any way for not getting 290 is, for lack of a better word, dumb! We were batting first, so every extra run we got could have been the match winner. No point going for an imaginary target of 290, which we have never reached against top 8, and getting all outfor 200 would be the dumb thing to do. If he produces one of this type of innings even every third match, he's done his job. There are 5 other batsmen in the team who should be able to do this as well.

Of course, one did not have to open a thread for this innings. But like many said, 5 50+ scores in 14 innings is pretty special by our standard. I can understand the excitement:).He is still one of our better players, which is why he is in the team.

zainab
January 5, 2010, 07:06 AM
I still feel the people of BD loves Ash a lot and he is still special to them, even when he is not performing. Drop him, and then we will see the shouting and the hollering. I was in SL recently, I spoke with many who are ardent Cricket fans, speaking abut BD, it is always Ash, they love him.

tail-ender
January 5, 2010, 07:31 AM
Did anyone notice that ash had to beg sakib to bowl 1 over? Sakib had already given the ball to nayeem before ash requested him.
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Beamer
January 5, 2010, 12:06 PM
Al has become a cricket philosopher in front of our very eyes.

Fazal- Appreciate the bones thrown at me and Al, but, just as Al has mentioned, others may not understand what you are trying to say. You do come across often as someone who is singularly focused on Ash in a negative light. You have the right off course, but you can't be angry at others if they wait for an opportunity to get back to you. I partuclarly do not see why he is the reason for the loss ( or a shommanjonok porajoy as you call it ) yesterday. Actually, he was probably the last person to be fingered if we are to go player by player yesterday for the loss. Anyway..lets hope he does even better vs India.

SS
January 5, 2010, 02:31 PM
Put more pressure on Ash...neglect him more....torture him reminding him how Jalal scold at him or Monalisa broke his heart...by becoming Ash haters everywhere you will see the difference! Therefore I announce my presence here as one of the Ash haters...

BD-Shardul
January 5, 2010, 02:42 PM
Put more pressure on Ash...neglect him more....torture him reminding him how Jalal scold at him or Monalisa broke his heart...by becoming Ash haters everywhere you will see the difference! Therefore I announce my presence here as one of the Ash haters...
[বাংলা]
আচ্ছা ভাই, আশরাফুল বিয়ে করে না কেন? মোনালিসার কাছ থেকে কি সত্যি ছ্যাঁকা খেয়েছিল নাকি? এই ব্যাথা এখনো বুকে নিয়ে বেড়ানোর কারণেই কি মাঝে মাঝে brain fart হয়? [/বাংলা] :(

SS
January 5, 2010, 02:49 PM
[বাংলা]
আচ্ছা ভাই, আশরাফুল বিয়ে করে না কেন? মোনালিসার কাছ থেকে কি সত্যি ছ্যাঁকা খেয়েছিল নাকি? এই ব্যাথা এখনো বুকে নিয়ে বেড়ানোর কারণেই কি মাঝে মাঝে brain fart হয়? [/বাংলা] :(

Hoite pare...Manusher mon to moha jotil...Biya korbe shigroi...Gonok bolse aei kotha....Kintu Biyar pore ki aro fart korbe sheita Upor wala janen..Karor Poyush Mash Karor Shorbonash...

akabir77
January 5, 2010, 04:09 PM
lol all haters became lovers:lol:

simon
January 5, 2010, 04:16 PM
I still feel the people of BD loves Ash a lot and he is still special to them, even when he is not performing. Drop him, and then we will see the shouting and the hollering. I was in SL recently, I spoke with many who are ardent Cricket fans, speaking abut BD, it is always Ash, they love him.

Ya,people inBD love Ash more than other consistent perfrmrs.
They appreciate Ash scoring more than any 1.

CricFanBD
January 5, 2010, 04:37 PM
Somoyer karone forum e temon likha hoy na, tobe forum pori protidin, ekbar noy, bar bar. Kichudin dhorei ei thread ta porchi r aschorjj hochhi—ekhane emon ekjon player ke nie criticise kora hochhe je kina BD er protiti BIG Win (against SA, AUS, IND) er sate jorito—ekhono porjonto se hochhe most popular player in International Arena, Other Country always respect him for his contribution in team. Amra sobai jani je tar Form valo jachhilo na, tai take captaincy theke soriye deya hoy jate se chap mukto hoye khelte pare, a lot of player is waiting to enter the team instead of him, kintu se hochhe fighter, fight kore jachhe team e thakar jonno, age je rokom fluent innings khelto, ekhon orokom khelche na, hoyto Siddons er direction or not having much confidence now a days. Kintu SL er sate tar 75 innings nie kuno criticize kora jai na, amar mote eta hochhe Innnings build up er ekta ideal documentary jeta bar bar dheka jai, kintu klanto lage na, critisie kora to dhurer kotha, r ei bepar ti niyei ekjon ei forum e obirum somalochona likhe jachee---je kina already more than 10,000 post koreche ( so he has a lot of passion about BD in cricket). Ami jani na ei somalochonar asol motto ta ki---eta ki Ash ke inspire korbe aero valo khelar jonno---naki “jake dhekte pari na, tar cholon baka”---amar kache 2nd tai besi grohonjoggo mone hoy.

Plz control your rubbish (can I use Dirty?) talking and give ASH and us a break. Plz at least for this series…ei amar minoti.

BD-Shardul
January 5, 2010, 05:20 PM
BC Goodwill ambassador BK bhai please give a speech to stop the ongoing battle and reconcile the Ash haters and Ash kissers.

Fazal
January 5, 2010, 05:45 PM
Mr Fazal, I agree to an extent that Ashraful was a tad slow in the middle overs. If you could ask him, he'd hav agreed. I could see his frustration when he was half-heartedly trying to hit some balls for 4, but all he was gettting was a single. . Ashraful played a very sensible innings as he could only trust himself to anchor the innings as he did, and The reason was simply this: we had lost 4 wickets way too quickly, including Sakib and there wasn't much left in the shed. Once Mushfiq got out, we were two wickets away from all-out for 170this allowed us to even get to 260.

BLAMING him in any way for not getting 290 is, for lack of a better word, dumb! We were batting first, so every extra run we got could have been the match winner. No point going for an imaginary target of 290, which we have never reached against top 8, and getting all outfor 200 would be the dumb thing to do. If he produces one of this type of innings even every third match, he's done his job. There are 5 other batsmen in the team who should be able to do this as well.

Of course, one did not have to open a thread for this innings. But like many said, 5 50+ scores in 14 innings is pretty special by our standard. I can understand the excitement:).He is still one of our better players, which is why he is in the team.

Nahaz,

As I said several times, I didn't said starting slow was the wrong decision, rather it was a pleasant surpirse the way he started slowly. Which was exactly what was needed to save from total disaster. I also said couple of times, he also finined the way he was supposed to do (except exploiting further in the final power play overs). He pretty much did both end that's why it was a good innings. But to make it a gem of a innings, he needed to concentrate further in the SR when the recovery was done in the middile in the innings i.e he started little bit late in his 4th gear and ended up SR 79 using 90 balls.

I am not blaming Ash, nor am I denying his credit as I said its indeed a pleasant surpirse and had the commponent of how to build an innings. But to call it a gem of an innings it need to be a better SR (at the end) when someone used 90 balls.

Now about gettitng the target around 290+. I didn't balmed soley on Ash as several other players could make it hahppen ( i would explain later) and I am not even sure even its Ash' to balme for his SR 79+. Siddon in the past mentioned about a target of 240. So may be game plan was 240 at the begining.... I don;t know.... but I disagreed in the past and I also disagree now that if we want to win and give a decent chance to our bowlers, we need to score more towards 290+ in a batting friendly pitch. Now comming back to the "other players" who could make it happen: I mentioned about irresponsible tamim's out at the wrong time just after Imrul got out.... I mentioned Rakibul's out which created further pressure... and ofcourse Sakib's premature out....if Sakib could perform the way he is used to do, batting stability as well as RR would not be problem. I also mentioned about Rahim's out. Rahim helped stabilizing inings but failed to take it further with exclerated RR and ended up very poor SR. I also mentioned naeem was under used by our selectors. These are all the cases where we lost the opportunity to score 30+ runs.
Just reread Sakib's comment. he also said that we were 20+ short with setting the target. In my mind those are all missed opportunities of this game in our batting side, even though it was not guaranteed that a 30+ runs would have win us a game.... but atleast in my mind, our batting lienup would have done their job 100%.

When I say its a good innings, what does it tell you? Does it give you an impression that I am saying he didn't did his job in this match? So where this confusion is comming from that anyone is saying that he didn't do his job in this game? There is difference between a good innings and a gem, I hope you understand that.

If after each good innings deserve a new thread, then go ahead do so.... but rephrase the thread title appropriately...

Fazal
January 5, 2010, 06:06 PM
Fazal- Appreciate the bones thrown at me and Al, but, just as Al has mentioned, others may not understand what you are trying to say. You do come across often as someone who is singularly focused on Ash in a negative light. You have the right off course, but you can't be angry at others if they wait for an opportunity to get back to you. I partuclarly do not see why he is the reason for the loss ( or a shommanjonok porajoy as you call it ) yesterday. Actually, he was probably the last person to be fingered if we are to go player by player yesterday for the loss. Anyway..lets hope he does even better vs India.


Beamer,
Please re-read the thread title and first few comments.
This thread was created not to appreciate Ash's innings, but rather a ploy to do trash talking with me by the thread opener. And thats what he got from me.

In my other message I mentioned several points where we may have missed the opportunities to set the target 290+ (what I personally think should be the target to beat IND or SRI in this field), I never said Ash was the only culprit for this lower target. And Ash's 79 SR was one of the one eeven though it was a good innings and it had the components how to build a innings. I mentioned that becacuse, even though it was the right approach, but it has the opportunity to excell further in operation i.e. needed finetuning to becaome a gem of an innings.

I also said that I suspect its Siddon's game plan... in the past he mentioned a target of 240+ which I strongly disagree in batting fielding track.

If you real AL's message, I guess people would understand what I was talking (doesn't need to agree with me, but should understand). But then there are regular Ash fans and then there are As$ kissers ....

btw: if he follow the same formula builiding the innings for next few innings and try to fine-tune his SR issue (when he is set), then I would be convinced that may be he is learning what Siddon is trying to teach him for last two years, specially now that he is playing at #3. This kind of approach is what I am looking from my #3, whether its Ash or someone else. Now that he is not going to score 50+ runs each and every innings, but I would like him to stick with the same basic formula for the whole series.

Wakidul
January 5, 2010, 06:13 PM
The competion for his place will make him perform.

We need Ashraful, but we dont need Raqibul (other than tests).

Yes thats why he has an average of 29.51 in ODI's. Come on it was one game he failed, im sure the boy will be back on his feet. Generally he is one of the ancerors of the team if like most of the time our top order batsmen fail to utilise.

al Furqaan
January 5, 2010, 07:02 PM
btw: if he follow the same formula builiding the innings for next few innings and try to fine-tune his SR issue (when he is set), then I would be convinced that may be he is learning what Siddon is trying to teach him for last two years, specially now that he is playing at #3. This kind of approach is what I am looking from my #3, whether its Ash or someone else. Now that he is not going to score 50+ runs each and every innings, but I would like him to stick with the same basic formula for the whole series.

i will do so...stay tuned.

Zeeshan
January 5, 2010, 07:11 PM
Beamer,

This thread was created not to appreciate Ash's innings, but rather a ploy to do trash talking with me by the thread opener. And thats what he got from me.


I highly suspect that is the case. Rommel has mostly been active in the ftp arena in the past few months and he may not even be aware of you being THE Ash hater that he will single you out and create a thread for "trash talking" with you. But then again only man who can clear this whole thing up is the man himself.

Ro?

Jesus87
January 5, 2010, 08:15 PM
The next 15 games we can expect him to give his wicket away. Even though his batting was good but the strike rate was average. He played ok in the last game but reality will soon hit back we shall notice the irritatign expressions on his face again

AsifTheManRahman
January 5, 2010, 08:40 PM
yeah i'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the blind haters like Fazal.
ZM, that's not what it looks like. ;)

Zeeshan
January 5, 2010, 08:41 PM
ZM, that's not what it looks like. ;)

Oh...I dont read his posts anyway. :-\

Rommel
January 5, 2010, 09:02 PM
Just trying to have a little fun by seeing what the Ash hater (Fazal) had to say about that innings by Ash. And I got exactly what I wanted. This thread has been the best read in my opinion in the past few days thanks to guys like Al, bancan, and Fazal. Fazal, I will admit that your analytical comments have proven to me that you are not just a blind hater and that you actually do support the "village idiot" when he plays well and thus, I respect you a lot more now. And I know you probably don't give a **** about what I think about you. I just wanted to throw this out there to prevent this thread from going off topic and becoming an array of personal attacks. And by all means, don't stop posting. The posts between you, Al, and Beamer have been a very insightful read and probably the reason why I didn't post in this thread much until just now. I was having too much fun reading the posts!

Rommel
January 5, 2010, 09:07 PM
I highly suspect that is the case. Rommel has mostly been active in the ftp arena in the past few months and he may not even be aware of you being THE Ash hater that he will single you out and create a thread for "trash talking" with you. But then again only man who can clear this whole thing up is the man himself.

Ro?

ZM, I really don't spend that much time in the FTP thread. Sure, I have a team and I try to make sure it is competitive, but its not like I spend all day there. I have maybe 10 posts per week there except for a few weeks here and there, but I am certainly "in the loop" about what goes on in this section of the forum. FTP really only takes 20 min per week to maintain and since I am still a kid living at home with mommy and daddy, I have plenty of time to make my presence known in all parts of the forum.

Zeeshan
January 5, 2010, 09:07 PM
Just trying to have a little fun by seeing what the Ash hater (Fazal) had to say about that innings by Ash. And I got exactly what I wanted. This thread has been the best read in my opinion in the past few days thanks to guys like Al, bancan, and Fazal. Fazal, I will admit that your analytical comments have proven to me that you are not just a blind hater and that you actually do support the "village idiot" when he plays well and thus, I respect you a lot more now. And I know you probably don't give a **** about what I think about you. I just wanted to throw this out there to prevent this thread from going off topic and becoming an array of personal attacks. And by all means, don't stop posting. The posts between you, Al, and Beamer have been a very insightful read and probably the reason why I didn't post in this thread much until just now. I was having too much fun reading the posts!

What Ash is experiencing now is called Catharsis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharsis)

For more psychotherapy, visit my thead.

Bancan
January 5, 2010, 09:13 PM
Just trying to have a little fun by seeing what the Ash hater (Fazal) had to say about that innings by Ash. And I got exactly what I wanted. This thread has been the best read in my opinion in the past few days thanks to guys like Al, bancan, and Fazal. Fazal, I will admit that your analytical comments have proven to me that you are not just a blind hater and that you actually do support the "village idiot" when he plays well and thus, I respect you a lot more now. And I know you probably don't give a **** about what I think about you. I just wanted to throw this out there to prevent this thread from going off topic and becoming an array of personal attacks. And by all means, don't stop posting. The posts between you, Al, and Beamer have been a very insightful read and probably the reason why I didn't post in this thread much until just now. I was having too much fun reading the posts!

Lol I didnt do anything. I can see how much you love me :P . This is my first post. :)

Zeeshan
January 5, 2010, 09:15 PM
ZM, I really don't spend that much time in the FTP thread. Sure, I have a team and I try to make sure it is competitive, but its not like I spend all day there. I have maybe 10 posts per week there except for a few weeks here and there, but I am certainly "in the loop" about what goes on in this section of the forum. FTP really only takes 20 min per week to maintain and since I am still a kid living at home with mommy and daddy, I have plenty of time to make my presence known in all parts of the forum.

So the conditional statement of you NOT living with mommy and daddy implies that you will NOT have time to make presence known in all parts of the forum?? Wow...

Rommel
January 5, 2010, 09:15 PM
Lol I didnt do anything. I can see how much you love me :P . This is my first post. :)

hahaha my bad, I got you and Beamer mixed up. Happens a lot to me!

Zeeshan
January 5, 2010, 09:16 PM
hahaha my bad, I got you and Beamer mixed up. Happens a lot to me!

:floor:

oh aw.....not again.

Rommel
January 5, 2010, 09:24 PM
So the conditional statement of you NOT living with mommy and daddy implies that you will NOT have time to make presence known in all parts of the forum?? Wow...

Yeah mom and dad don't let me out of the house on school nights. Thus when I am in college and such, I will have tougher classes and more freedom to make use of my time and not just sit around on the computer all day. Now I'm not saying that I won't still post or anything, but I will definitely be more focused on studies at that time as it kinda has to do with the rest of my life and honestly, cricket is just a game that won't help me make end's meat when I get older. and for all the people who say grades aren't important, thats bullshit. If you don't get good grades, then that just shows me that you are lazy and not willing to work harder and make adjustments. Sure, we will always have that teacher that is a real asshole and makes it tough, but the same is true in the real world with bosses and such. If we just walk around saying that grades aren't important and that the only thing that matters is what you actually get out of school, then thats just a sorry excuse to me. To be successful, you sometimes have to be someone's bitch.

bujhee kom
January 5, 2010, 10:22 PM
Yeah mom and dad don't let me out of the house on school nights. Thus when I am in college and such, I will have tougher classes and more freedom to make use of my time and not just sit around on the computer all day. Now I'm not saying that I won't still post or anything, but I will definitely be more focused on studies at that time as it kinda has to do with the rest of my life and honestly, cricket is just a game that won't help me make end's meat when I get older. and for all the people who say grades aren't important, thats bullshit. If you don't get good grades, then that just shows me that you are lazy and not willing to work harder and make adjustments. Sure, we will always have that teacher that is a real asshole and makes it tough, but the same is true in the real world with bosses and such. If we just walk around saying that grades aren't important and that the only thing that matters is what you actually get out of school, then thats just a sorry excuse to me. To be successful, you sometimes have to be someone's bitch.

That was an extraordinary and a powerful post Ro bro!! You are so young but you have a very solid clue! I admire that tremendously bro. I will always pray for you and wish all the success in life.....keep working hard at school Rommel Rana!

layperson
January 5, 2010, 10:52 PM
[QUOTE=Rommel;1032179]Just trying to have a little fun by seeing what the Ash hater (Fazal) had to say about that innings by Ash. And I got exactly what I wanted. This thread has been the best read in my opinion in the past few days thanks to guys like Al, bancan, and Fazal. Fazal, I will admit that your analytical comments have proven to me that you are not just a blind hater and that you actually do support the "village idiot" when he plays well and thus, I respect you a lot more now. And I know you probably don't give a **** about what I think about you. I just wanted to throw this out there to prevent this thread from going off topic and becoming an array of personal attacks. And by all means, don't stop posting. The posts between you, Al, and Beamer have been a very insightful read and probably the reason why I didn't post in this thread much until just now. I was having too much fun reading the posts![/QUOTE

Dont you think you are throwing around the word analytical too loosely. :-|

RazabQ
January 6, 2010, 01:12 AM
Ro will have a different take on the word "analytical" once he takes multi-variable calculus, fluid dynamics and algorithm analysis :)

Zeeshan
January 6, 2010, 01:19 AM
Not to mention he will also be bullied and beaten up more. :umm:

Orpheus
January 6, 2010, 01:28 AM
I think 'fazal' is actualy 'jalal'.

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lol..good one buddy.

Orpheus
January 6, 2010, 01:32 AM
Ro will have a different take on the word "analytical" once he takes multi-variable calculus, fluid dynamics and algorithm analysis :)

or read fazal long enough.

Rommel
January 6, 2010, 06:30 AM
Ro will have a different take on the word "analytical" once he takes multi-variable calculus, fluid dynamics and algorithm analysis :)

I'm taking Pre-Calculus right now. That counts right?

Crickey
January 6, 2010, 07:08 AM
i am here i STILL hate that idiot

zainab
January 6, 2010, 08:45 AM
Hate is a very strong word,and it comes with the urge to destroy someone or something. it should never be used lightly, you may dislike someone, but hate
is not in my vocabularly, Has Ash ever done any harm personally to any one of the Ash haters?

Beamer
January 6, 2010, 11:22 AM
hahaha my bad, I got you and Beamer mixed up. Happens a lot to me!

As long as you don't get me mixed up with Z, I am fine with it..:-|

Zeeshan
January 6, 2010, 05:50 PM
As long as you don't get me mixed up with Z, I am fine with it..:-|

To put YOU in the same league as me??....odds of that are shardul's chance in hell.

RazabQ
January 6, 2010, 06:32 PM
there's doc z too!

Rommel
January 6, 2010, 06:49 PM
That was an extraordinary and a powerful post Ro bro!! You are so young but you have a very solid clue! I admire that tremendously bro. I will always pray for you and wish all the success in life.....keep working hard at school Rommel Rana!

Thanks BK bhai, I really appreciate that. This praise coming from someone who I really do look up to means a lot to me.

Tendulkar_Mcgrath
January 6, 2010, 07:03 PM
I am not a Ash hater... But I think we have to wait minimum 7 matches to watch a 30+ knock by him

LateCut
January 6, 2010, 07:04 PM
Ash haters, where y'all at?

Here I am. I still think he stinks. He will score a duck against India. You heard it here first.

al Furqaan
January 6, 2010, 07:26 PM
ash will score at least 30 today - might take him 100 balls but he'll try to prove he's "changed" [again]

Beamer
January 6, 2010, 10:13 PM
To put YOU in the same league as me??....odds of that are shardul's chance in hell.

Shardul's chance in hell :floor::floor:

Fahim
January 6, 2010, 10:19 PM
hey, this is one time where i will gladly accept the pwnage on me....







...well, that is what the actual haters should have said.

im not a hater and i never was! i always believed in him!

BANFAN
January 7, 2010, 01:17 AM
Ya,people inBD love Ash more than other consistent perfrmrs.
They appreciate Ash scoring more than any 1.

Ash doesn't enjoy a middle ground with the fans, I guess. There are people who even criticize his centuries. :)

PoorFan
January 7, 2010, 01:46 AM
... Has Ash ever done any harm personally to any one of the Ash haters?
Are you kidding?! People had so many sleepless nights for ages because of him ... some for shattered dream ... and some for writing essays [here on BC] to prove what a Village Idiot is/could be. Again, too many sleepless nights ... what else it could be other than personally harmed?E-)

PoorFan
January 7, 2010, 01:59 AM
ash will score at least 30 today - might take him 100 balls but he'll try to prove he's "changed" [again]
I am glad to see him at least trying [at last]. Doesnt matter if he deliver or fail today, as long as he remain determined.

hbk619
January 7, 2010, 07:21 AM
sigh! what happened today? continue continue then throw the wicket?

zainab
January 7, 2010, 07:37 AM
Dont worry, he will bounce back in the next match and score better.maybe in the 30s.

al Furqaan
January 7, 2010, 07:40 AM
reasonably pleased with his game today...stuff like that happens to the best of em. Hope for another 100 runs in the remaining 2 games, and hopefully another 50 or even a 100.

Fazal
January 7, 2010, 12:10 PM
jaak baba Imrul 70 run korse.... Ashraful na. Ta na hoiley aroo Pach ta nuton thread open hoito.

No thread yet for Imrul yet? Does that mean there is lot of Imrul haters here?

btw. Imrul's (70 in 100 balls) inning is a good innings, not a gem. Dhoni's (101 in 107 balls) inning was a real gem.

Kamnew
January 7, 2010, 10:59 PM
Ashraful is firing more frequently.. he need to keep improving on consistency

hbk619
January 11, 2010, 03:27 AM
The next 15 games we can expect him to give his wicket away. Even though his batting was good but the strike rate was average. He played ok in the last game but reality will soon hit back we shall notice the irritatign expressions on his face again

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. the ash show starts from today:(

BD-Shardul
January 11, 2010, 03:31 AM
Just went to rest room and now see 2 wickets down. When the fu*k the selectors will understand that promply dropping Ashraful is the only option once he scores a half-century in a series? Or is walking wicket something a treat to watch? :mad: :head: :hairpull:

hbk619
January 11, 2010, 03:42 AM
@shardul bhai: nor the fans will understand nor the team management. there are many cricket analysts here in banglacricket. they still beleive in that ash is the shonamanki for the team. nowdays, fans and team management are rating him so high that they wouldn't mind if ash throw his wicket away.

Purbasha T
January 11, 2010, 04:41 AM
I think it's time Ash's honeymoon is halted for a while.

magic boy
January 11, 2010, 04:54 AM
I'll be watching out this thread today :-p WWF !!

Crickey
January 11, 2010, 06:57 AM
back to same old ash....... ash must be burned to ashes

al Furqaan
January 11, 2010, 07:23 AM
didn't watch today's game, but saw most of the rest of his batting this tournament.

the clear thing was that, for the first time in a long time, Ashraful looked TOTALLY untroubled by any of the bowlers he faced from either side. didn't edge anything, drove along the ground when he did, didn't attempt any ambitious shots (no 6s in the tourney).

121 runs at 30.25 is what he finished at. some important partnerships and innings building was what he accomplished this tourney.

now lets look at his dismissals.

run outs twice, clean bowled off a spinner being caught in two minds about a stroke (or got cramped up), and today's idiot dismissal. thats one bad dismissal in 4 innings and 150+ balls. i'll take that. the first run out came during a time of acceleration and the second run out was a combination of a very tough call, bad luck, and over-ambitious running. if we negate these two run outs (bowling dismissals), ashraful's average jumps to 60+, and that is indicative of how he dominated the bowling or how comfy he looked facing it. thats something of the "vintage" ash that i hadn't seen in at least a few years.

but we saw extended focus and an attempt to really score a lot of runs in the first three matches this tourney. only today's game was a "return" to the old ashraful's idiocy, and in my opinion SL and IND are lucky that ashraful only scored 117 runs (at 39.00) in the first three matches, and not 217.

Aritro
January 11, 2010, 09:47 AM
didn't watch today's game, but saw most of the rest of his batting this tournament.

the clear thing was that, for the first time in a long time, Ashraful looked TOTALLY untroubled by any of the bowlers he faced from either side. didn't edge anything, drove along the ground when he did, didn't attempt any ambitious shots (no 6s in the tourney).

121 runs at 30.25 is what he finished at. some important partnerships and innings building was what he accomplished this tourney.

now lets look at his dismissals.

run outs twice, clean bowled off a spinner being caught in two minds about a stroke (or got cramped up), and today's idiot dismissal. thats one bad dismissal in 4 innings and 150+ balls. i'll take that. the first run out came during a time of acceleration and the second run out was a combination of a very tough call, bad luck, and over-ambitious running. if we negate these two run outs (bowling dismissals), ashraful's average jumps to 60+, and that is indicative of how he dominated the bowling or how comfy he looked facing it. thats something of the "vintage" ash that i hadn't seen in at least a few years.

but we saw extended focus and an attempt to really score a lot of runs in the first three matches this tourney. only today's game was a "return" to the old ashraful's idiocy, and in my opinion SL and IND are lucky that ashraful only scored 117 runs (at 39.00) in the first three matches, and not 217.

Great analysis, and one that's certainly given me a lot of perspective on his overall performance.

Tigers_eye
January 11, 2010, 10:04 AM
didn't watch today's game, but saw most of the rest of his batting this tournament.

the clear thing was that, for the first time in a long time, Ashraful looked TOTALLY untroubled by any of the bowlers he faced from either side. didn't edge anything, drove along the ground when he did, didn't attempt any ambitious shots (no 6s in the tourney).

121 runs at 30.25 is what he finished at. some important partnerships and innings building was what he accomplished this tourney.

now lets look at his dismissals.

run outs twice, clean bowled off a spinner being caught in two minds about a stroke (or got cramped up), and today's idiot dismissal. thats one bad dismissal in 4 innings and 150+ balls. i'll take that. the first run out came during a time of acceleration and the second run out was a combination of a very tough call, bad luck, and over-ambitious running. if we negate these two run outs (bowling dismissals), ashraful's average jumps to 60+, and that is indicative of how he dominated the bowling or how comfy he looked facing it. thats something of the "vintage" ash that i hadn't seen in at least a few years.

but we saw extended focus and an attempt to really score a lot of runs in the first three matches this tourney. only today's game was a "return" to the old ashraful's idiocy, and in my opinion SL and IND are lucky that ashraful only scored 117 runs (at 39.00) in the first three matches, and not 217.
Come back to earth please. Ash's average is not 60+ nor did he dominate bowlers, nor was he comfortable in the middle. Mahmudullah was comfortable. Mahmudullah dominated the bowlers. Mahmudullah's average is 60+. I did not compare to a foreign player. Naeem was comfortable and dominating with a 60+ average.

1 out of 4 can only yell, "don't sack me, pretty please".

Dear Rommel,
You are learning what many before has already learnt the hard way.

Eshen
January 11, 2010, 10:10 AM
Bottom line is - Ash needs to score only one 50+ innings per series for his fans to continue glorifying him as a great :lol:

BD-Shardul
January 11, 2010, 10:46 AM
Bottom line is - Ash needs to score only one 50+ innings per series for his fans to continue glorifying him as a great :lol:

You have said it Eshen bhai. :up:

Ashfaq
January 11, 2010, 11:45 AM
In 10 years he didn't change. So he won't change. The fact that he crossed 25 twice in one series indicates he will score in binaries for a loooooong while. Better "rest" him now.

dolcevita
January 11, 2010, 12:00 PM
Mahmullah should bat at number 3...and Ashraful at number 7

Fazal
January 11, 2010, 12:12 PM
Mahmullah should bat at number 3...and Ashraful at number 7

Bingo !!!

sharifk
January 11, 2010, 12:14 PM
Mahmullah should bat at number 3...and Ashraful at number 7

why would we need ash at # 7 at all....that should be a position for a good all rounder so may be alok or someone else......but yes mahmudullah and naeem need to bat up in the order although no need to change # 4 & 5 in rock and shak...

revolver
January 11, 2010, 12:16 PM
mohammadullah is a top batsmen that we have found NOW

_Rafi_
January 11, 2010, 12:20 PM
All Ash haters go to hell :)

revolver
January 11, 2010, 12:24 PM
All Ash haters go to hell :)

lol..what great things has he done in the past 2 years??

Fazal
January 11, 2010, 12:26 PM
Ash's 75 against IND was a good score so was Imrul's 70 run

But Shakib's 85 was even better (almost perfect)

However Dhoni's Century was a gem ... so was Kohli's.

When someone is set, that how you are suppsed to end. It's not only the runs only, but its their SR they ended up with... two commponent of importance in ODI for a set batsman.

Beamer
January 11, 2010, 12:30 PM
As expected, one fifty, followed by nothing. We continue to put him at no.3. You can play two ways at no.3. Either you come up and boost the RR without putting a premium on the expected bulk of scoring in the team score, or you come up, solidify and contribute towards the main scoring of the team at a decent but not break neck pace. We have decided to opt for the second route. But, the problem remains, he is ( Ash ) not the guy for it. He has shown it time and time again that you can't expect him to be the answer in that role. He just doesn't have the mental fortitude to perform that task even though the premier batsman of the team is expected to do that. The other route, which is taking advantage of the PP overs without worrying much about what to follow are used by some teams, and something we actually did relatively well with Aftab. One can argue that its no longer needed since our opening is not the main problem right now. I would agree. But, if the second route that we are taking, then why put him at no.3 where you know he is the not the answer to provide steel to the main line-up. We can revert back to Aftab way and make him play that way at no.3, but for greater good for himself , its not a good option. Assuming we want our no.3 to play the classical role, first thing I would do is remove this guy from no.3, and put him back to no.4 where I think he is more comfortable and useful. Then its time to find out who is the best batsman in the team, and who wants the responsibilty to score the bulk of the innings building total.

BD-Shardul
January 11, 2010, 12:39 PM
Is SN the answer at no 3?

magic boy
January 11, 2010, 12:44 PM
^ DPL records says so :p

akabir77
January 11, 2010, 12:54 PM
I don't think mahmudullah is ready for no 3 yet. (not that ash is doing ok there too).. but I am against moving some one from their position just because he is doing great there. that's why I think Riad should be at 6/7 as a backup for us to get at leats 250. but if the top order did really well 100/0 then he can come up the order.

Ash and raqibul should not be in the same ODI team. drop ASH. and send raqib at 3.bring aftab as number 6/7.

whats' wrong with mushi? is he becoming another ash?

sharifk
January 11, 2010, 01:06 PM
As expected, one fifty, followed by nothing. We continue to put him at no.3. You can play two ways at no.3. Either you come up and boost the RR without putting a premium on the expected bulk of scoring in the team score, or you come up, solidify and contribute towards the main scoring of the team at a decent but not break neck pace. We have decided to opt for the second route. But, the problem remains, he is ( Ash ) not the guy for it. He has shown it time and time again that you can't expect him to be the answer in that role. He just doesn't have the mental fortitude to perform that task even though the premier batsman of the team is expected to do that. The other route, which is taking advantage of the PP overs without worrying much about what to follow are used by some teams, and something we actually did relatively well with Aftab. One can argue that its no longer needed since our opening is not the main problem right now. I would agree. But, if the second route that we are taking, then why put him at no.3 where you know he is the not the answer to provide steel to the main line-up. We can revert back to Aftab way and make him play that way at no.3, but for greater good for himself , its not a good option. Assuming we want our no.3 to play the classical role, first thing I would do is remove this guy from no.3, and put him back to no.4 where I think he is more comfortable and useful. Then its time to find out who is the best batsman in the team, and who wants the responsibilty to score the bulk of the innings building total.

wut did roqib do wrong to lose his place to ash for #4?

Fazal
January 11, 2010, 01:15 PM
wut did roqib do wrong to lose his place to ash for #4?
... failed to build a fanbase who will see no evil in their idil ....maybe?

Crickey
January 11, 2010, 01:15 PM
All Ash haters go to hell :)

We are already here and inviting him to join us burn to ashes

sharifk
January 11, 2010, 01:26 PM
... failed to build a fanbase who will see no evil in their idil ....maybe?

no need to say anymore....

Beamer
January 11, 2010, 01:26 PM
... failed to build a fanbase who will see no evil in their idil ....maybe?

Please don't put me in that category.

Raqibul is one of the reasons we are not accumulating as fast as we possibly can in the middle period. I have nothing against him. I think he is a decent player. I just think Ash is a better no.4 than him. Don't have to agree but don't put me in fanbase/hate type of B.S.

Fazal
January 11, 2010, 01:32 PM
Raqibul is one of the reasons we are not accumulating as fast as we possibly can in the middle period. I have nothing against him. I think he is a decent player. I just think Ash is a better no.4 than him. Don't have to agree but don't put me in fanbase/hate type of B.S.


The way Ash bats now a days, I failed to see how Ash brings anything better than what we have right now (with Rakib) when he(Ash) is kind of failing at #3 (as you mentioned). If ypu had mentioned someone else replacing Rakib, I would have understand your logic.

We have gone through this roatating business with Ash for a while now... do we need to see more?

Beamer
January 11, 2010, 01:43 PM
He was always a no.4. Never should have been moved.

You could have said what you said in your reply above without making silly comments like fanbase who see no evil. I am not a blind fan of Ash. You have no objectivity left in this matter.

Shaan
January 11, 2010, 01:50 PM
Ash has proved he is not a batsman to rely rather an entertainment. Look at Mahmudullah played less then half of game as Ash did at this level, but whenever Mahmudullah enters bating you feel so ease, relax, comfortable and rely that he will be there until the end of innings for sure, for you. But whenever Ash enters it's just you feel so insecure, anxiety, uncertainty as if he is the debutant who is not sure what he is doing out in the middle there, any moment he is gonna get out.

I just lost all my hope of Ash, his body language hasn't been changed till today, the man who already played more than 150 matches and still playing like novice, acting like novice where newbies like Mahmudullah plays like a pro.

BangladeshFan
January 11, 2010, 01:51 PM
yes I also agree with Ash being better number 4 than Raqibul. Honestly for ODIs and T20s my top order will be
1.Tamim 2.SN 3. Aftab 4.Ash

Raqibul replaces Aftab in tests.

Fazal
January 11, 2010, 01:52 PM
We have already a player in Rakibul who brings his strength (consistency) and weakness (low SR).

The newly reloaded Ash with new approach is a "Rakibul wannable".

Now why should we repalce a real deal with a wannble?

And that was never explained and therefore the motive of that suggestion is questionable.

WarWolf
January 11, 2010, 01:54 PM
some indian fans comment in ICF on Ash...
Their growth is going to be slow. Although i have to admit some of their batsmen are better than half the Pakistan team. Their bowling is really pathetic, club standard. Their batting is okay. But certainly some limitations are there as well. Fact that guys like Ashraful is still in the side explains how poor they are. Shakeb is an exception. Rest of the players are mediocre.

Tigers_eye
January 11, 2010, 01:55 PM
Ash really needs a rest. He do not have the tools to play at #3. He can not open. He can not take Shakib, Riyad, Naeem's place. Rokibul May not be fast but his average is much better than Ash. SR matters but not before averages. Otherwise, Nasmus Sadat would be a great opener along side Tamim.

BangladeshFan
January 11, 2010, 01:56 PM
Ash has proved he is not a batsman to rely rather an entertainment. Look at Mahmudullah played less then half of game as Ash did at this level, but whenever Mahmudullah enters bating you feel so ease, relax, comfortable and rely that he will be there until the end of innings for sure, for you. But whenever Ash enters it's just you feel so insecure, anxiety, uncertainty as if he is the debutant who is not sure what he is doing out in the middle there, any moment he is gonna get out.

I just lost all my hope of Ash, his body language hasn't been changed till today, the man who already played more than 150 matches and still playing like novice, acting like novice whernk newbies like Mahmudullah plays like a pro.

I think Riyad is ok where he is , promoted above Mushfiq maybe at 6 and Naeem at 7. He is a good player but he should keep contributing as a spinner.

sharifk
January 11, 2010, 01:59 PM
We have already a player in Rakibul who brings his strength (consistency) and weakness (low SR).

The newly reloaded Ash with new approach is a "Rakibul wannable".

Now why should we repalce a real deal with a wannble?

And that was never explained and therefore the motive of that suggestion is questionable.

precisely....though i would never worry about rakib's sr since # 4 needs to play through the middle overs in odis.....do i need to say anything about tests?

WarWolf
January 11, 2010, 02:00 PM
The most pathetic thing about Ash is he lost his confidence ( though really doubt if he ever had any). He failed to take two sitters today and his body language has been awful.

Eshen
January 11, 2010, 02:04 PM
Ash in last two years against G7 teams, in two different positions -

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Do you see any difference?!

Only difference I see is that his SR has gone down since he has been promoted.

Tiger Manc
January 11, 2010, 02:04 PM
Yeah I would like to see what happens in the next series. If Mahmudullah still doing really well with the bat and Mushfiq underperforming with the bat then I would shift him up to #6. I would do it at the end of the New Zealand series though. Same goes for Naeem Islam.

magic boy
January 11, 2010, 02:05 PM
lol...the purpose of opening this thread has turned into a real example of boomerang ! title of thread cant resist me from rofling

Shaan
January 11, 2010, 02:05 PM
Rakib is fine player, what he is doing is very appropriate, everyone doesn't need to be play like mad cow, someone has to hold and play anchor that's what exactly he is doing. But Ash should be rested for time being that he learns to play like he supposed to.

_Rafi_
January 11, 2010, 02:05 PM
ash's average is good enough to keep him in the next sduad. We can now only hope he will be injured while playing football in practice

Beamer
January 11, 2010, 02:06 PM
We have already a player in Rakibul who brings his strength (consistency) and weakness (low SR).

The newly reloaded Ash with new approach is a "Rakibul wannable".

Now why should we repalce a real deal with a wannble?

And that was never explained and therefore the motive of that suggestion is questionable.

So, you assumed, without any hesitation that I suggest Ash in no.4 ( which I have always even before Rakib came to the scene ) only because I am part of his blind fan base and all my understanding and reasoning for any matter derive from that? You can disagree, as I have said before , but this childish game of yours which is based on who is in love with Ash or who hates him more, is something beneath me and I refuse to be implicated or fingered by you out of all people. We all know where you stand on Ash. Its based on pure hate. I have never rained on your little parade. You have every right to participate in your game, just don't drag me into it.

akabir77
January 11, 2010, 02:12 PM
My request:

If ash is droppped DO NOT BRING HIM BACK if he scores 100 against Abahani 300 against Biman or what ever. at least leave him out for a session or two and see for those session if his avg is above 50 (yes for domestic cricket it should be that). then only think about bring him in. I hate when sellecotrs drops him for 1/2 matches and then bring him in soon after he makes one 100.

Fazal
January 11, 2010, 02:24 PM
So, you assumed, without any hesitation that I suggest Ash in no.4 ( which I have always even before Rakib came to the scene ) only because I am part of his blind fan base and all my understanding and reasoning for any matter derive from that? You can disagree, as I have said before , but this childish game of yours which is based on who is in love with Ash or who hates him more, is something beneath me and I refuse to be implicated or fingered by you out of all people. We all know where you stand on Ash. Its based on pure hate. I have never rained on your little parade. You have every right to participate in your game, just don't drag me into it.

Beamer,

I didn't asked the question. But someone else asked the question, which is a very valid one. And so far you failed to answer his question.

I responded sharifk's question with some possible answers. [ question: Why there is a suggestion that a performing player should be replaced to accomodate another i.e What Rakibul doesn't have that Ash have to give up the #4 slot? ]

This kind of suggestion of accomodating Ash to revive his form back by rotating slot and sacrificing other players (for nothing) is going on for a while now.

Now if pointing out that is called "Ash hater" as you said in your comment, then yes I am what I am...defending other players.... and if that makes me a "Ash hater" then so be it.... I am proud of it.....as I support the team first... not the other way around.

Beamer
January 11, 2010, 02:43 PM
Where did I say drop Rakib? Where? I don't think he rotates. I do LIKE him, though won't say that he is the real deal, just yet! I have consistently preferred Ash at no.4 and was always against the idea of him at no.3. In another matter, if Rakib is the real deal, and he has shown the mental skill that he can solidify and build an innings, then by all means, he should move up and bat at no.3. We are looking for someone who can play with some steel and build an innings. Ash can't do that. But, he does rotate and play better at no.4. Why do you just assume that I am advocating Rakib be dropped to accomodate Ash at no.4?

You still contiune to avoid answering why I have been reduced to blind-fan-idol-hater group.

Tiger Manc
January 11, 2010, 03:13 PM
Can't believe he dropped catches TWICE today!

Fazal
January 11, 2010, 03:14 PM
Where did I say drop Rakib? Where? I don't think he rotates. I do LIKE him, though won't say that he is the real deal, just yet! I have consistently preferred Ash at no.4 and was always against the idea of him at no.3. In another matter, if Rakib is the real deal, and he has shown the mental skill that he can solidify and build an innings, then by all means, he should move up and bat at no.3. We are looking for someone who can play with some steel and build an innings. Ash can't do that. But, he does rotate and play better at no.4. Why do you just assume that I am advocating Rakib be dropped to accomodate Ash at no.4?

You still contiune to avoid answering why I have been reduced to blind-fan-idol-hater group.

You didn't also mention where Rakib should play. Nor did you said in your first comment (of discussion) that "Ash and Rakib should switch their position". Even if you would say that, explanation why Rakib should switch position to accommodate Ash requires explanation to avoid follow-up question. Based on past history, (to accommodate Ash, other player's slots are changed for no reason) unexplained suggestion will created more question about the motive.

Personally I don't think switching position will help any player now. If Ash struggle at #3, its not going help Ash @ #4. For Rakibul, it only makes sense to promote him at #3 when he is playing much better at #4, not now. I also think like akabir77, in batting pitch, playing Rakibul wannable at #3 and Rakibul at #4 is over killing and too defensive approach. From that point of view I don't see any possible improvement in switching the two. Actually it may further backfire Ash's career and team in the process. With a solid start from top three, Ash may go to 3rd gear from get go and get out cheaply more often. His areal and cheeky shots are "high risk shots" even when he tries to rotate the strike.

Now your question to me, why you have been reduced to blind-fan-idol-hater group?

As I said before, I never consider you a blind Ash kisser even though we kind of disagree with Ash's current value in the team. I mentioned that Rakibul needs "fanbase who see no evil to to his idol".
Why?

1. Ash fanbase would go ballistic f Ash would have Rakibul's average and consistency and someone would suggest to change his slot to accommodate another player.

2. Because this kind of suggestion of switching Ash's position when he fails in current position is nothing new...it's not your unique Idea... its kind of old suggestion and going on for years.... Ash has been tried from #3 to #7 and being rotated couple of times to come up with Ash's ideal slot and this kind of switch is made when he fails in his current slot.

3. And these kind of suggestion was proposed without taking consideration why a player should sacrifice their slot to accommodate Ashraful. Did we tried Junaid to slot #4, #5, #6, #7 before dropping him?

In my opinion, its important to make your position clear why you think Rakibul should be switch to #3 to avoid questioning your motive by suggesting moving Ashaful to #4.

Beamer
January 11, 2010, 03:28 PM
I mentioned where Rakib can potentially go. Unlike you, I think, BD still needs both Ash and Rakib. Ultimately, Siddons has his preferences and he will stick by it. That means, Ash at no.3 and Rakib at no.4. None of them will be dropped. As much as you want, Ash won't be dropped, and as much as I want him to go to no.4, that won't happen either.

At long last finally you have answered my question that I was asking. I do not belong to any such group. Glad that you came clean. Now, lets move on..

akabir77
January 11, 2010, 03:35 PM
oh nooo matro chanachur nea boshchi kaijja dekher jonno kintu eki holo!!!

Beamer
January 11, 2010, 03:45 PM
oh nooo matro chanachur nea boshchi kaijja dekher jonno kintu eki holo!!!

lebu koshen ekhon chanachur e. kaijja r modhhe ami nai. :onethephone:

al Furqaan
January 11, 2010, 03:53 PM
Come back to earth please. Ash's average is not 60+ nor did he dominate bowlers, nor was he comfortable in the middle. Mahmudullah was comfortable. Mahmudullah dominated the bowlers. Mahmudullah's average is 60+. I did not compare to a foreign player. Naeem was comfortable and dominating with a 60+ average.

1 out of 4 can only yell, "don't sack me, pretty please".

Dear Rommel,
You are learning what many before has already learnt the hard way.

sorry bhai, u were certainly watching the wrong tri-series...this is the one with sri lanka and india, not the 2009 one with sri lanka and zimbabwe.

i watched all of his innings, (barring the 2nd half of his 75, but we all know he was in total or near total control there), while most of you were sleeping. there was no delivery that had him in any real trouble, rarely played along the wrong line, hardly was beaten, rarely top/bottom edged a horizontal shot, barely ever got outside/inside edges on straight shots, and was rapped on the pads only once (that too very first ball he faced on a ball which turned so much LBW appeal was rejected). the only game he struggled was today's game. last out of 4, for all the illiterate ashraful "critics".

just to make things clear, you guys can think of it as a challenge of sorts, i urge anyone to go back to the espn360 replays, and find an instance from the first 3 games where ashraful did or experienced any of the following (please indicate the time so that "blind fans/idolators" can be cured):

1) was dropped do to a risky aerial shot
2) got out trying to smack a "four ball"
3) was beaten comprehensively by turn, seam, or swing
4) top/bottom/inside/outside edged
5) took a wild swipe and got nothing but air

contrast that to gautam ghambir, who was at least twice comprehensively beaten within a 20 minute span today, but a debutant bowler, shafiul islam. so i guess that means gambhir is a crap batsmen despite his 50+ test average, eh?

ashraful was run out twice (out of his 4 innings), trying to up the run rate. thats just bad luck (how many times will a direct throw from the boundary shatter the stumps and find you inches short???), and of course he should have ran a bit more intelligently. but the same buffoons who clamor "ash has just first and eight gear" wanted him to do what? hit a boundary instead of run between the wickets? no, no, wait...fazal wanted him to hit six 6s in an over to prove his balanced 2nd gear right? the way i see it, instead of lofting one in the hopes of maybe getting four (or six), he went for an extra run, and got beaten by a throw from the deep. he played the odds very well, and came out on the wrong side. people act like he should have just hit it up in the air...jeez!

bottom line is, some of you will damn him if does, and damn him even more when he doesn't. there ain't no pleasing your crowd. at some point, you all got the impression that the man should average 99 with the bat, and anything less - even if solid or average by BD standards - is a treasonous offense.

the bottom line is BD is improving, 260-296-249-247 and yet that brought us no wins. obviously you can't go from hardly winning, to winning all the time, even if you make one significant improvement here or there.

in the same vein, ashraful played a hell of a lot better than he ever has before in those first 3 games. like i said before, he could have easily scored 100 more runs in those 3 games. all good things take time.

it took BD 10 years to start stringing together good scores on flat tracks, it will take more or less the same time for ashraful to start getting it right.

the lineup is now set, everyone has a role, and they've been playing it reasonably well. the team will continue to get better before the world cup. everyone needs to friggin chill and let siddons do his job. leave rock alone, leave shakib alone, leave ash alone.

only possible guy i would even think about bringing into the lineup at this stage is aftab, and right now i don't; aftab should be our first back-up if any of the current top 8 goes down for whatever reason.

everyone just needs a dose of reality, ashraful ain't gonna start averaging 40 anytime soon, and even if he does, he has to first average 30 first (calculus anyone)...in the meantime, we all need to just chill the eff out.

our bowling problems will be fixed, our batting is gelling, we'll be a handful for the lesser teams out there like NZ, WI, Eng, Pak, and possible even SA and Aus. heck, we'll be able to take on anyone (including Ind and SL) once the bowling unit fires again.

al Furqaan
January 11, 2010, 03:55 PM
I mentioned where Rakib can potentially go. Unlike you, I think, BD still needs both Ash and Rakib. Ultimately, Siddons has his preferences and he will stick by it. That means, Ash at no.3 and Rakib at no.4. None of them will be dropped. As much as you want, Ash won't be dropped, and as much as I want him to go to no.4, that won't happen either.

At long last finally you have answered my question that I was asking. I do not belong to any such group. Glad that you came clean. Now, lets move on..

looks like you and i are the only voices of reason here.

btw, as i've mentioned, i thought ash did well and was unlucky for the most part at number 3 this tourney. why do you disagree? his SR was decent and would have been better if not for some great run outs from the opposition.

Fazal
January 11, 2010, 04:04 PM
no, no, wait...fazal wanted him to hit six 6s in an over to prove his balanced 2nd gear right? the way i see it, instead of lofting one in the hopes of maybe getting four (or six),


No mate,

you don;t need to hit a 6 in your 2nd gear, just watch Dhoni's innings in the 1st game against us.

A 6 (folowed by 5 0s) gives cheer from fans where as 6 1s do that same servive to the team without fanfare. Even better is a one 4 and few 1s. Thats is what needed in 2nd gear not a 6 and 5 zeros.

Close to 5 runs/per over in the middle will ensure big scores towards 300s. To beat a team like Indi/Sri lanka in a batting friendly wicket, tht what we need to beat team.

btw why should I expect 6 6s from Ashraful from any of his gears? Is he capable of doing so like Aftab, Rafiq and Naeem?

He can be agressive in his bet days alright ... but I don't think he ever hit 6 6s in any level so far. So why day dreaming about impossible?

Beamer
January 11, 2010, 04:06 PM
Al..reason is a hard commodity. So, hold on to it.

Its more of a feel thing than pure stats. I think he looks more comfortable at no.4 in all forms of cricket. He can play that run-a-ball game, working the spread field, with boundaries in between better than anyone. When he is on, he is quickly working the ball, and the score board just ticks. It comes from years of watching him. Can't quantify it, but, IMO thats what suits him better.

rezwansyed
January 11, 2010, 04:16 PM
Beamer,

I didn't asked the question. But someone else asked the question, which is a very valid one. And so far you failed to answer his question.

I responded sharifk's question with some possible answers. [ question: Why there is a suggestion that a performing player should be replaced to accomodate another i.e What Rakibul doesn't have that Ash have to give up the #4 slot? ]

This kind of suggestion of accomodating Ash to revive his form back by rotating slot and sacrificing other players (for nothing) is going on for a while now.

Now if pointing out that is called "Ash hater" as you said in your comment, then yes I am what I am...defending other players.... and if that makes me a "Ash hater" then so be it.... I am proud of it.....as I support the team first... not the other way around.

the ans to the question is, the fact tht still remains after all these debate and after losing all the matches, Ash is still the most talented, able to win matches alone with sparks of brilliance and technicaly the most sound batsman Bangladesh has ever produced in her cricketing history. This is the difference between Ash & the rest, he is capable of playing such brilliant innings once in a blue moon,which can be only anticipated frm batsmen with such caliber as B.C.Lara, S.R.Tendulkar, V.A.Richards and very few others. Most batsmen of the world and none else of Bangladesh has this capability as Ash. That is why its important we do whatever its necessary for Ash to get the form back so that we can hope for winning matches. Got ur difference between Ash and the rest?
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BD-Shardul
January 11, 2010, 04:18 PM
I am waiting for the test series :waiting:

Fazal
January 11, 2010, 04:23 PM
the ans to the question is, the fact tht still remains after all these debate and after losing all the matches, Ash is still the most talented, able to win matches alone with sparks of brilliance and technicaly the most sound batsman Bangladesh has ever produced in her cricketing history. This is the difference between Ash & the rest, he is capable of playing such brilliant innings once in a blue moon,which can be only anticipated frm batsmen with such caliber as B.C.Lara, S.R.Tendulkar, V.A.Richards and very few others. Most batsmen of the world and none else of Bangladesh has this capability as Ash. That is why its important we do whatever its necessary for Ash to get the form back so that we can hope for winning matches. Got ur difference between Ash and the rest?

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:notworthy: .... these type of fansbase that I was talking about that Rakibul needs to keep his slot.

al Furqaan
January 11, 2010, 04:28 PM
Al..reason is a hard commodity. So, hold on to it.

Its more of a feel thing than pure stats. I think he looks more comfortable at no.4 in all forms of cricket. He can play that run-a-ball game, working the spread field, with boundaries in between better than anyone. When he is on, he is quickly working the ball, and the score board just ticks. It comes from years of watching him. Can't quantify it, but, IMO thats what suits him better.

i fully agree, but...

i got the same "feeling" you have watching him at one down this series. i mean first 3 games he was sublime, in the sense that no bowler threatened him, he was looking in fine nick when he got out on 75, 29, and 13 respectively. even in the zimbabwe series, he was troubled by their pacers and even their spinners. this series he was also driving the ball all along the ground, from what i saw, and cut out the other aerial riskiness that is his trademark. i'm not too averse to see him continue at #3, based on this tri-series.

BangladeshFan
January 11, 2010, 04:57 PM
Al..reason is a hard commodity. So, hold on to it.

Its more of a feel thing than pure stats. I think he looks more comfortable at no.4 in all forms of cricket. He can play that run-a-ball game, working the spread field, with boundaries in between better than anyone. When he is on, he is quickly working the ball, and the score board just ticks. It comes from years of watching him. Can't quantify it, buot, IMO thats what suits him better.

Exactly, he is a number 4, not 3. Number 3 should be one who can play as an opener and take advantage of power plays. At 4 rather, he should work it around and also occasional bounaries, which suits his game, and even if he fails, we have the cover of sakib, riyad and mushfiq who can do it.

Tigers_eye
January 11, 2010, 05:21 PM
sorry bhai, u were certainly watching the wrong tri-series...this is the one with sri lanka and india, not the 2009 one with sri lanka and zimbabwe.
May be your definition of Dominate is different than mine. Or else how can you explain Ash's middle over batting (yes, 16-40 overs, where you need to rotate strike) is worse than Rokibul?

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BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 21pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=28>1</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 16pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=21>2</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 14pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=19>3</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 40pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=53>Totals (1+2+3)</TD><TD class=xl71 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 38pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=51>(1+2+3)/Dot</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 16pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=21>4</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 14pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=18>6</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 33pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #bfbfbf" width=44>Totals</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 29pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=38>(4+6)/Dot</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 37pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=49>Grand Total</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 50pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=66>Scoring shots/Dot</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD class=xl67 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 51pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 15pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=68 height=20>Ash</TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 20pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=26>2</TD><TD class=xl74 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 32pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: red" width=43>65</TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 21pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=28>42</TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 16pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=21>4</TD><TD class=xl76 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 40pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=53>46</TD><TD class=xl69 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 38pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=51>0.71</TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 16pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=21>2</TD><TD class=xl76 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl77 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right>2</TD><TD class=xl78 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right>0.03</TD><TD class=xl77 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right>48</TD><TD class=xl78 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right>0.74</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD class=xl67 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 51pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; HEIGHT: 15pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=68 height=20>Rakib</TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 20pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=26>3</TD><TD class=xl75 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 32pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e46d0a" width=43>55</TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 21pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=28>39</TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 16pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=21>4</TD><TD class=xl76 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 40pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=53>43</TD><TD class=xl73 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 38pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=51>0.78</TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 16pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=21>2</TD><TD class=xl68 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 14pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=18>1</TD><TD class=xl77 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right>3</TD><TD class=xl78 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right>0.05</TD><TD class=xl77 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right>46</TD><TD class=xl79 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right>0.84</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I certainly know Rakibul didn't dominate the bowlers. My eyes can deceive me.
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Where do you get this 60+ average I have no clue. The fact is it was 30 half of your imaginary number. Just for the sake of argument purpose you can't make up numbers so that we get off his back. I can say JO could get 200 Average, Rajin Saleh could have 200 SR with a 100 average.

i watched all of his innings, (barring the 2nd half of his 75, but we all know he was in total or near total control there), while most of you were sleeping. there was no delivery that had him in any real trouble, rarely played along the wrong line, hardly was beaten, rarely top/bottom edged a horizontal shot, barely ever got outside/inside edges on straight shots, and was rapped on the pads only once (that too very first ball he faced on a ball which turned so much LBW appeal was rejected). the only game he struggled was today's game. last out of 4, for all the illiterate ashraful "critics".
I can't believe I would hear these ambigious words from you in defining Ash's innings. Habibul Bashar looked good in his last year at the national team. Seldom, rarely, barely, hardly any intl bowler would get the better of him. He was in total control even when he didn't produce any runs. I mean with the exception of the short ball, even Imrul Kayes was in total control in this tri-series. Rakibul looked good (just like Ash's constraint you put except one out), Mushi looked solid (take out one innings) while they were in the middle. All were lucky/unluck as much as Ash was.
ashraful was run out twice (out of his 4 innings), trying to up the run rate. thats just bad luck (how many times will a direct throw from the boundary shatter the stumps and find you inches short???), and of course he should have ran a bit more intelligently. but the same buffoons who clamor "ash has just first and eight gear" wanted him to do what? hit a boundary instead of run between the wickets? no, no, wait...fazal wanted him to hit six 6s in an over to prove his balanced 2nd gear right? the way i see it, instead of lofting one in the hopes of maybe getting four (or six), he went for an extra run, and got beaten by a throw from the deep. he played the odds very well, and came out on the wrong side. people act like he should have just hit it up in the air...jeez!
How come bad luck always circles around Ash. I mean 100+ ODI outs are all because of bad luck. Before Ash use to say it to the public. Now you guys are saying the same thing. Ash is unlucky.
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Ash had his best game in Game one. Let us see how many gear he showed in that game.

Till 30 over Ash faced 35 deliveries and score 15 runs (42% SR). This is certainly not gear 2 or 3. (And in my book for ODI's, is not even a gear. Even current JO/Rajin Sahel can match him.)

Between 30 to 40 overs Ash 22(32) with a SR of 68%. I'd consider this as gear 1. Below 70% in the middle overs.

Ash scored 38(27) SR 140% finished his innings 75(94) 79%SR. That is the gear 4 (highest gear). That is still 2 gear innings to me. I am not complaining about his innings. But don't see what you see in his innings.

The table above shows his rotation of strike is equal to most of the BD players barring Shakib and Riyad (soon Naeem will join this group).

The "new Rakibul wannabe" Ash (Although I like him better than the "old" Ash) still needs a break because of his inconsistency.
bottom line is, some of you will damn him if does, and damn him even more when he doesn't. there ain't no pleasing your crowd. at some point, you all got the impression that the man should average 99 with the bat, and anything less - even if solid or average by BD standards - is a treasonous offense.
Bottom line is Ash lovers can't see any fault of Ash. The whole team revolves around his position for them. XYZ needs to move to make room for Ashraful. He is untouchable. 5 is not working. Move him up the order. I don't get this at all.

When someone is not performing teams move him "down" the order not "up". 4 is not working send him as 3. let him open. Little do blind fans see he needs time outside the national team to know his own game first. His weaknesses and strengths.

the bottom line is BD is improving, 260-296-249-247 and yet that brought us no wins. obviously you can't go from hardly winning, to winning all the time, even if you make one significant improvement here or there.
Bd's improvement is because of the maturity of Tamim, Shakib, Mahmudullah, Naeem. Ash still scores one innings and then no where he is to be found. Within few years they have adapted the intl arena. Whereas, how many years Ash is playing intl cricket? Do you see any change? He is still same as 2005's Ash with a lower SR.

in the same vein, ashraful played a hell of a lot better than he ever has before in those first 3 games. like i said before, he could have easily scored 100 more runs in those 3 games. all good things take time.
'Could have' and 'did' is two different thing. I could have represent BD in Basketball 20 years back. That doesn't mean I did. Potential time is over. Now you perform or you sit out.

it took BD 10 years to start stringing together good scores on flat tracks, it will take more or less the same time for ashraful to start getting it right.
All I can say is stop day dreaming. BD team is not an individual. Collective improvement is showing this progress. Ash's progress is nothing to highlight about.

the lineup is now set, everyone has a role, and they've been playing it reasonably well. the team will continue to get better before the world cup. everyone needs to friggin chill and let siddons do his job. leave rock alone, leave shakib alone, leave ash alone.

only possible guy i would even think about bringing into the lineup at this stage is aftab, and right now i don't; aftab should be our first back-up if any of the current top 8 goes down for whatever reason.
You ask everyone to chill and let the boys do their thing, let the coaches do their thing yet you want to bring back Aftab who has a history of failure. If you have a right to suggest a bhuwa player, we all have the right to suggest another player who have a better understanding of the game and experience as well. That is SN who can easily replace Ash and the team wouldn't miss a beat.

everyone just needs a dose of reality, ashraful ain't gonna start averaging 40 anytime soon, and even if he does, he has to first average 30 first (calculus anyone)...in the meantime, we all need to just chill the eff out.
When Riyad, Naeem, Shakib, Tamim comes out of nowhere and out performs the Star Ash, who is to say Ayub and so many others, wouldn't average over 30?

our bowling problems will be fixed, our batting is gelling, we'll be a handful for the lesser teams out there like NZ, WI, Eng, Pak, and possible even SA and Aus. heck, we'll be able to take on anyone (including Ind and SL) once the bowling unit fires again.
Batting is gelling because of the placid nature of the pitch we just played. Average in the pitch was way below the scores that we saw (except one SL gift to Ind). Do not get your hopes to high. Board and Anderson all can bounce with the best of them. I haven't said anything about the Chris Martin-Southee-Mills-OBrien show.

We still have long ways to go.

Zeeshan
January 11, 2010, 05:26 PM
something tells me we just witnessed a superpwnage by T_E bhaia

bangla-red
January 11, 2010, 05:27 PM
TBF, I agree with most of what you said tigers_eye bhai ;)

dolcevita
January 11, 2010, 06:15 PM
what he does today on field : drop 2 sitters

al Furqaan
January 11, 2010, 07:16 PM
May be your definition of Dominate is different than mine. Or else how can you explain Ash's middle over batting (yes, 16-40 overs, where you need to rotate strike) is worse than Rokibul?

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BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 21pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=28>1</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 16pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=21>2</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 14pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=19>3</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 40pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=53>Totals (1+2+3)</TD><TD class=xl71 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 38pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=51>(1+2+3)/Dot</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 16pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=21>4</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 14pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=18>6</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 33pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #bfbfbf" width=44>Totals</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 29pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=38>(4+6)/Dot</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-TOP: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: windowtext; WIDTH: 37pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: silver" width=49>Grand Total</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: windowtext 0.5pt solid; 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I certainly know Rakibul didn't dominate the bowlers. My eyes can deceive me.
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Where do you get this 60+ average I have no clue. The fact is it was 30 half of your imaginary number. Just for the sake of argument purpose you can't make up numbers so that we get off his back. I can say JO could get 200 Average, Rajin Saleh could have 200 SR with a 100 average.


60 average comes from 121 runs/bowling dismissals. since you can agree that run outs don't indicate the potency of the bowler bowling at that time.

put another way, 121 runs and the opposition bowlers got ash out twice from 165 deliveries. thats an average of 60.50 and a strike rate of 82 balls. this indicates his dominance of the bowlers, and not the fielders out in the deep or in the circle. remeber that the run outs were NOT a product of risky strokes.

I can't believe I would hear these ambigious words from you in defining Ash's innings. Habibul Bashar looked good in his last year at the national team. Seldom, rarely, barely, hardly any intl bowler would get the better of him. He was in total control even when he didn't produce any runs. I mean with the exception of the short ball, even Imrul Kayes was in total control in this tri-series. Rakibul looked good (just like Ash's constraint you put except one out), Mushi looked solid (take out one innings) while they were in the middle. All were lucky/unluck as much as Ash was.


this is utter balogna. are you seriously going to tell me bashar was in good touch? that right here should end the discussion.

Rock is solid and plays his game, but he wasn't dominating any bowlers. domination doesn't necessarily translate out to numbers, and even if you dissect it one way (scoring shots/dot), ash had the higher average + strike rate, and more scoring shots per innings. the better marker is SSR taken in non-powerplay overs, and maybe rock did better (i haven't checked), but regardless ash looked sublime in the first three innings and it was LUCK on the part of the lankans and Indians he didn't score 217 from the first 3 games.


How come bad luck always circles around Ash. I mean 100+ ODI outs are all because of bad luck. Before Ash use to say it to the public. Now you guys are saying the same thing. Ash is unlucky.

we're not talking about his ODI career...we're talking about the tri series, and at most to the last 2 years since ash has played at #3 in the Siddons era. thats as far as it goes.

now if you want to talk about match-winning potential, etc, then yes, we go back 4-5 years, but we never go back to talk about 2001 ash, as he was obvious crap back then. the past is not debatable, the present and near past is.

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Ash had his best game in Game one. Let us see how many gear he showed in that game.

Till 30 over Ash faced 35 deliveries and score 15 runs (42% SR). This is certainly not gear 2 or 3. (And in my book for ODI's, is not even a gear. Even current JO/Rajin Sahel can match him.)

Between 30 to 40 overs Ash 22(32) with a SR of 68%. I'd consider this as gear 1. Below 70% in the middle overs.

Ash scored 38(27) SR 140% finished his innings 75(94) 79%SR. That is the gear 4 (highest gear). That is still 2 gear innings to me. I am not complaining about his innings. But don't see what you see in his innings.

The table above shows his rotation of strike is equal to most of the BD players barring Shakib and Riyad (soon Naeem will join this group).


1) gears are an arbitrary designation. i consider them to go 0-50, 50-70, 70-90, and 90+. that is reasonable and gives equal intervals between the most common gears (2nd and third).

2) secondly, its important to come up with the standard before one does the research to rid it of bias.

3) Riyad and Naeem are role players in the sense that they come in with a very specific job description, especially naeem. Its presumptious to assume that naeem will be a better strike rotator than ash, given that he's never had the opportunity. you can only guess. my guess is, he won't be, or at best he'll be the same. i could be wrong. but namee right now is the best at his role of blasting away in the last 5 overs. riyad has a similar job description, but often has to consolidate for a few overs first, hence he a higher SSR. but he is also extremely capable of doing that, and kudos to them both. you won't find me bashing either of them. but to think that they will bat in the top 4 and be world beaters is a bit presumptuous to say the least.


The "new Rakibul wannabe" Ash (Although I like him better than the "old" Ash) still needs a break because of his inconsistency.

i would have agreed with you last week. but, i saw something different in ash's approach to the tri series - barring the last innings. flat pitch or not, he played on merit, started slow and then accelerated towards the end. yes, there were mistakes, such as ash not accelerating enough or too late in the first SL match. but then again, even Tendulkar is not a master of gear management, if he was why have India lost so many games where he scores a hundred? we have to accept that good innings sometimes go in vain. even had ash scored 95 and propelled us to 300, we would have lost to dilshan and his countrymen. we would perhaps have taken another wicket and made them bat an extra 3-4 overs, but the result is the same.


Bottom line is Ash lovers can't see any fault of Ash. The whole team revolves around his position for them. XYZ needs to move to make room for Ashraful. He is untouchable. 5 is not working. Move him up the order. I don't get this at all.

absolutely, unequivocally, and unquestionably not true.

i just criticized him in the paragraph above. in fact i think the reverse is more true, if not absolutely true: that ash's critics can't stomach his successes.


i'll offer some more criticism, the worst thing i ever saw from ash, was the last tri series against zimbabwe, when we lost the first game to ZIM. tamim had just gotten out, we were 2 down for 30, and ash just lofts one up to long on for a sitter. that was the WORST dismissal i have ever seen in cricket from anyone. chris martin knows better than that.

the ash of this tri-series was also disappointing. i thought he looked good to score any number of runs (see challenge at bottom of post) more than he did - within reason of course, i'm not expecting 1000 runs in a series.

When someone is not performing teams move him "down" the order not "up". 4 is not working send him as 3. let him open. Little do blind fans see he needs time outside the national team to know his own game first. His weaknesses and strengths.

OK, but don't blame the fans exclusively for this. i'm all for dropping him from the test side, in fact i think we have 4-5 guys who can do better than him, including aftab ahmed.

but BCB itself has done this. fans didn't slot him into number 3. if you remember, recently i was of opinion to put him at 6 (or 7) and not at #3. his ideal position is 4, and he just wasn't cutting it there.

now, i see no better player at one down (sorry, Rock doesn't count until 25 is > 30, and 60 is > 73, or yawm al qiyyamah, whichever comes first) and riyad/naeem are too good to move from 7 and 8.

so the opposite is true, at least right now, ash stays at 3, cuz riyad and naeem are immovable.

bottom line is, ash looked comfy in the first three tri-series matches (156 deliveries) at number 3, and its on someone else to prove that otherwise.

Bd's improvement is because of the maturity of Tamim, Shakib, Mahmudullah, Naeem. Ash still scores one innings and then no where he is to be found. Within few years they have adapted the intl arena. Whereas, how many years Ash is playing intl cricket? Do you see any change? He is still same as 2005's Ash with a lower SR.

BD showed small improvements after 5 years, and a big improvement this week, after 10 years. ash has shown small improvements in the same time frame, and IMO, a big improvement this last week to go with the team improvement.

if you take out ash's contribution, our first score would be 225 instead of 260, and our 2nd one would have seen a collapse after tamim's wicket which we likely couldn't recover from and would have posted 250-260 instead of 300. that right there is 50% of the team's imrovement.




You ask everyone to chill and let the boys do their thing, let the coaches do their thing yet you want to bring back Aftab who has a history of failure. If you have a right to suggest a bhuwa player, we all have the right to suggest another player who have a better understanding of the game and experience as well. That is SN who can easily replace Ash and the team wouldn't miss a beat.

aftab is bhua, but SN's single digit ODI average in his most recent G8 games is not? again, this should end this discussion right here. nothing but anti-aftab bias now [and i want to see SN in the test squad, btw].

When Riyad, Naeem, Shakib, Tamim comes out of nowhere and out performs the Star Ash, who is to say Ayub and so many others, wouldn't average over 30?

tamim and shakib have had their fair share of brain farts to compete with ash. but i'm still going to agree that they've done well. i'm a fan of them both, and also of riyad and naeem.

and btw, going by G8 averages, shakib and tamim have not out-performed ash based on over the last few years by much. 2-3 runs difference in average. they've both cashed in more against zimbabwe. but i'm not complaining...if the tables were turned however, we know what the other brigade would say though...

Batting is gelling because of the placid nature of the pitch we just played. Average in the pitch was way below the scores that we saw (except one SL gift to Ind). Do not get your hopes to high. Board and Anderson all can bounce with the best of them. I haven't said anything about the Chris Martin-Southee-Mills-OBrien show.

We still have long ways to go.

i agree we have a long ways to go, but why are we then on the other hand expecting that either ashraful will be batting like sachin, or his replacement will if given the chance? sachin came from a culture of 60+ years of top level cricket. we are already seeing the current crop of our cricketers - naeem, riyad, tamim, shakib, rahim - doing better with their experiences than the nannus, bulbuls, and durjoys.

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i ask anyone to show the hour and minute of any segment where ashraful looked uncomfortable at the crease in the first 3 tri series games. all matches are there on espn360, and while i cannot access it right at the moment, i'll take your words for it.

i'd appreciate a complete list with a possible description or cricinfo's ball by ball for that delivery.

bujhee kom
January 11, 2010, 08:39 PM
Ki laabh bhai ei shob kore? E jibone bartho hoe jonmanor jala je onek koshter bhai, shey jalar jontrona ke bujhbe?.

Zeeshan
January 11, 2010, 08:42 PM
Ki laabh bhai ei shob kore? E jibone bartho hoe jonmanor jala je onek koshter bhai, shey jalar jontrona ke bujhbe?.

I usher you to my therapy thread.

akabir77
January 11, 2010, 09:13 PM
jai lou shai kodu. proti series ey ek game ey run korbey r BC tey patar upor pata thesis lekha hobey...

Hoyto ash jodi shob match ey bhalo korey ta holey BC bondho hoye jetey parey bidhay uni ek match er beshi concentrate koren na bodhoy...

sharifk
January 11, 2010, 10:14 PM
You didn't also mention where Rakib should play. Nor did you said in your first comment (of discussion) that "Ash and Rakib should switch their position". Even if you would say that, explanation why Rakib should switch position to accommodate Ash requires explanation to avoid follow-up question. Based on past history, (to accommodate Ash, other player's slots are changed for no reason) unexplained suggestion will created more question about the motive.

Personally I don't think switching position will help any player now. If Ash struggle at #3, its not going help Ash @ #4. For Rakibul, it only makes sense to promote him at #3 when he is playing much better at #4, not now. I also think like akabir77, in batting pitch, playing Rakibul wannable at #3 and Rakibul at #4 is over killing and too defensive approach. From that point of view I don't see any possible improvement in switching the two. Actually it may further backfire Ash's career and team in the process. With a solid start from top three, Ash may go to 3rd gear from get go and get out cheaply more often. His areal and cheeky shots are "high risk shots" even when he tries to rotate the strike.

Now your question to me, why you have been reduced to blind-fan-idol-hater group?

As I said before, I never consider you a blind Ash kisser even though we kind of disagree with Ash's current value in the team. I mentioned that Rakibul needs "fanbase who see no evil to to his idol".
Why?

1. Ash fanbase would go ballistic f Ash would have Rakibul's average and consistency and someone would suggest to change his slot to accommodate another player.

2. Because this kind of suggestion of switching Ash's position when he fails in current position is nothing new...it's not your unique Idea... its kind of old suggestion and going on for years.... Ash has been tried from #3 to #7 and being rotated couple of times to come up with Ash's ideal slot and this kind of switch is made when he fails in his current slot.

3. And these kind of suggestion was proposed without taking consideration why a player should sacrifice their slot to accommodate Ashraful. Did we tried Junaid to slot #4, #5, #6, #7 before dropping him?

In my opinion, its important to make your position clear why you think Rakibul should be switch to #3 to avoid questioning your motive by suggesting moving Ashaful to #4.

if people still don't get the point after these explanations, they will never....sorry i even asked the question.....

Rommel
January 11, 2010, 10:36 PM
Go Ashraful go! You know what is proved from all of this discussion? Whether you love Ash or loath him, BD cricket would be a lot more boring without him!

Orpheus
January 11, 2010, 10:42 PM
and banglacricket would be boring without Rommel. Frustration free without fazal. Naked without zeeshan. Gay without Orpheus. etc etc.

hbk619
January 11, 2010, 11:14 PM
Go Ashraful go! You know what is proved from all of this discussion? Whether you love Ash or loath him, BD cricket would be a lot more boring without him!

i think bd cricket would be a lot more interesting. Why? because if there is no ash, then we don't have to see his wicket throwing performance. We would see dhoni type of innings from other batsman who got consistency. period!:waiting:

simon
January 12, 2010, 03:14 AM
Ash will never learn.
He will often play a good inning at the beginning of a series so that he will be picked for
the rest of the series but then his inconsistency will continue.

BD-Shardul
January 12, 2010, 03:15 AM
[বাংলা]Originally Posted by AsifTheManRahman
আজকাল এখানে সবাই একে অন্যেকে এত পওন পাল্টা পওনের পাল্লায় ফেলছে কেন?[/বাংলা]

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jai lou shai kodu. proti series ey ek game ey run korbey r BC tey patar upor pata thesis lekha hobey...

Hoyto ash jodi shob match ey bhalo korey ta holey BC bondho hoye jetey parey bidhay uni ek match er beshi concentrate koren na bodhoy...

Bhai re, ei porjonto BC te mohan ashraful ke niye joto alochona hoise, shobgula eksathe kore jodi keu phd thesis hisebe joma dey, chokh bondho kore pdh peye jabe. Othoba shobgula miliye ekta best seller boi o lekha jete pare.

Zeeshan
January 12, 2010, 03:34 AM
jai lou shai kodu. proti series ey ek game ey run korbey r BC tey patar upor pata thesis lekha hobey...

Hoyto ash jodi shob match ey bhalo korey ta holey BC bondho hoye jetey parey bidhay uni ek match er beshi concentrate koren na bodhoy...

Funny coming from someone who contributed about 9000 of his posts time here! :smug:

beshideshi
January 12, 2010, 03:36 AM
I find the ash bashing rather disturbing and illogical. here are the reasons why:
Game 1: He played out of skin, made a 180 into 260, yes there was the late flourish by Nayeem, but if not for Ash he would'v never got the chance to.
Game 2: He played the same shot without risk and got runs, and then he tries again and the ball hurries onto him and hits timber. Apart from that moment he looked very comfortable.
Game 3: I dont think even Thushara had a clue that the throw was going to hit the stumps. That was unlucky for Ash, he did judge the run well and was undone by some brilliance by Thushara.
Game 4: It was his off day, he just did not click today. Got impatient and was unlucky to get out as well. Bat-Pad-Stumps, how often do you see that?
The main observation I have made is that Ash has put a value on his wicket, he is looking for a 100 ball 80 rather than a 20 ball 30. Which decreases the chance of him getting out, he gave 2 chances in the game, was out both times. [1st game run out was a cry for runs and had to go for it, and 2nd run out was very unusual] I would love to see him in tests and see how the new Ash does in tests.

_Rafi_
January 12, 2010, 03:45 AM
Will Die-hard Ash fans stop foolowing/watching BD cricket if Ash is dropped from the team?

BangladeshFan
January 12, 2010, 06:29 AM
I wonder what Mr Ashraful would think had he actually browsed this site?

nahaz
January 12, 2010, 07:00 AM
i think bd cricket would be a lot more interesting. Why? because if there is no ash, then we don't have to see his wicket throwing performance. We would see dhoni type of innings from other batsman who got consistency. period!:waiting:

baba, agae Dhoni type ashook, tarpor kotha hobe... Ash is still try to find his perfect game...which shouldn't have been at the International Stage, but having been drafted into the National team at 17 and being our poster boy ever since, he never had any hope of doing it otherwise. No Ash means no 2004 victory against India, that inspired many others leading to WC, no Ash means no victory against Australia in 2005 which certainly made the world wake up to us.

Ashraful is no longer the sole "match-winner" of our team...but he is still the soul of our team to many.

Riyad may be Dhoni type in few months from now, but we'll see...

al Furqaan
January 12, 2010, 07:20 AM
I find the ash bashing rather disturbing and illogical. here are the reasons why:
Game 1: He played out of skin, made a 180 into 260, yes there was the late flourish by Nayeem, but if not for Ash he would'v never got the chance to.
Game 2: He played the same shot without risk and got runs, and then he tries again and the ball hurries onto him and hits timber. Apart from that moment he looked very comfortable.
Game 3: I dont think even Thushara had a clue that the throw was going to hit the stumps. That was unlucky for Ash, he did judge the run well and was undone by some brilliance by Thushara.
Game 4: It was his off day, he just did not click today. Got impatient and was unlucky to get out as well. Bat-Pad-Stumps, how often do you see that?
The main observation I have made is that Ash has put a value on his wicket, he is looking for a 100 ball 80 rather than a 20 ball 30. Which decreases the chance of him getting out, he gave 2 chances in the game, was out both times. [1st game run out was a cry for runs and had to go for it, and 2nd run out was very unusual] I would love to see him in tests and see how the new Ash does in tests.

in game 3, ash was actually well inside the crease when the bails were removed, his bat just bounced off the ground. call it bad luck, or ash's fault for not being a quarter second slower so that his bat hit the ground right as the bails hit, but that was a bad call from the umpire, some part of his bat appeared to be touchng the ground or very near it...batsman should always get the benefit of the doubt, especially when he had made his ground by a good 4 inches of the bat.

but yeah, i agree, ashraful has indeed put a value on his wicket - based on the first 3 games of the tri-series, wasn't troubled at all by the bowlers (and he's played on many a flat track before and gotten out cheaply to stupid shots), and looked set to score loads each time he came to crease.

its only a matter of time before he transforms his near 40 DPL average over the last 2 seasons onto the ODI scene. we're slowly seeing it now. he does tend to get a bit carried away against zimbabwe, takes things a bit more seriously against G8 sides, and really tries to make it count against associates - judging from his recent averages against them.

for some reason, everone asides from you, me, Beamer, Rommel, Murad, and cricman, automatically assumes that 150+ matches means u have to start averaging 40 with the bat.

zainab
January 12, 2010, 07:45 AM
Can't believe he dropped catches TWICE today!

I cant believe it too, he is one of the best fielders and he prides himself on his fielding, probably, it was the light and dew. Even Yuvi, best fielder in the Indian side has misfielded and dropped catches.

SS
January 12, 2010, 09:20 AM
Understandable that dew was a factor but having a great first match and later on follow the usual "Ash" is not acceptable...Ash is the "same" Ash in his inner mind...may be his batting style changed but he will be inconsistenly consistent on scoring big once in a blue moon innings rest of his career with national team unless otherwise any coach who can only reads his mind properly discovers a method of changing his thought process in the field.

Purbasha T
January 12, 2010, 09:49 AM
I cant believe it too, he is one of the best fielders and he prides himself on his fielding, probably, it was the light and dew. Even Yuvi, best fielder in the Indian side has misfielded and dropped catches.

And Bhajji the other day (and he had no dew as well, maybe second one had light in his eyes but the first one was dolly). And for Ash in both cases it was really cold, though he should've taken them both.

Tigers_eye
January 12, 2010, 10:13 AM
...domination doesn't necessarily translate out to numbers, ...
Are you listening to yourself? With a 30 average and SR of 70, Ash dominated the bowlers???? Then what did Mahmudullah do? Tamim? Shakib? Imrul? Naeem? They have all better averages. With the exception of Imrul everyone mentioned above have a higher SR for the series. All didn't dominated but was lucky to have a better average and SR than Ash.

So are you saying the others didn't dominate the opposition bowlers but Ash did becuase that is what you feel and saw? I truly do not want to discussion domination issue any more. You are right, with an average of 30 Ash dominated the opposition bowlers. I Concede.
i just criticized him in the paragraph above. in fact i think the reverse is more true, if not absolutely true: that ash's critics can't stomach his successes.
One last thing:
In the past, you and others (ash blind supporters) have criticized Riyad, even openly questioned his potential, his contribution, his temparament in this forum. Because you thought you can take Riyad's position and hand it to Ash. Why are you not criticizing Riyad now? Don't answer that. To put it simply, he is performing consistantly and that is why you want him in the team (even then you may have doubts flat track etc.).

Same with Ash. If he performs CONSISTANTLY, no "Baper beta" in this forum will criticize Ash. However, blind fans will continue to defend Ash and his position as he has the most potential, I "feel" and "saw" he is dominating the bowlers, when in reality he is still as inconsistant as before.

I don't know about you but I am a Bangladesh Cricket team supporter first. For the sake of the team would not hesitate to criticise a bad performance and praise a good performance by any individual player.

You are still judging players through their potential and not the output. Potential means nothing when you can't translate it in to runs. Those days are long gone. We are in to 2010. Performance dictates everything from here on. That is why Alok, Aftab can't get in to the team any more. The last one standing of the AAA battery needs to join the other two and start practicing running on to the field with drinks.

You will see no criticism from me if Ash performs consistantly. 30 average is not performing. I think I have cleared my position here.

By the way, I would be happy if Ash performs like Riyad or Shakib [I never dreamt he would perform like the Indian Icon, you blind fans did.]

LateCut
January 12, 2010, 12:47 PM
I cannot belief that some of us will continue to support Ash despite his rpeated failures. When will it ti occur to us that he is damaging our team. Please get rid of him. The two catches that "my grand mother" could catch but he dropped robbed us of respectibily. Besides, why is he in the team? He can bat either. Socring in teens or less and occasional (once in a blue moon or twice as year) fifties are not enough. Ther are others whoi can do better.

revolver
January 12, 2010, 12:50 PM
I cannot belief that some of us will continue to support Ash despite his rpeated failures. When will it ti occur to us that he is damaging our team. Please get rid of him. The two catches that "my grand mother" could catch but he dropped robbed us of respectibily. Besides, why is he in the team? He can bat either. Socring in teens or less and occasional (once in a blue moon or twice as year) fifties are not enough. Ther are others whoi can do better.

:lol::lol::floor::floor:
btw when did he drop two catches??

sharifk
January 12, 2010, 12:51 PM
do i smell blood?

seriously i don't think we will ever resolve this ash issue ever in bd....

hbk619
January 12, 2010, 01:00 PM
Are you listening to yourself? With a 30 average and SR of 70, Ash dominated the bowlers???? Then what did Mahmudullah do? Tamim? Shakib? Imrul? Naeem? They have all better averages. With the exception of Imrul everyone mentioned above have a higher SR for the series. All didn't dominated but was lucky to have a better average and SR than Ash.

So are you saying the others didn't dominate the opposition bowlers but Ash did becuase that is what you feel and saw? I truly do not want to discussion domination issue any more. You are right, with an average of 30 Ash dominated the opposition bowlers. I Concede.

One last thing:
In the past, you and others (ash blind supporters) have criticized Riyad, even openly questioned his potential, his contribution, his temparament in this forum. Because you thought you can take Riyad's position and hand it to Ash. Why are you not criticizing Riyad now? Don't answer that. To put it simply, he is performing consistantly and that is why you want him in the team (even then you may have doubts flat track etc.).

Same with Ash. If he performs CONSISTANTLY, no "Baper beta" in this forum will criticize Ash. However, blind fans will continue to defend Ash and his position as he has the most potential, I "feel" and "saw" he is dominating the bowlers, when in reality he is still as inconsistant as before.

I don't know about you but I am a Bangladesh Cricket team supporter first. For the sake of the team would not hesitate to criticise a bad performance and praise a good performance by any individual player.

You are still judging players through their potential and not the output. Potential means nothing when you can't translate it in to runs. Those days are long gone. We are in to 2010. Performance dictates everything from here on. That is why Alok, Aftab can't get in to the team any more. The last one standing of the AAA battery needs to join the other two and start practicing running on to the field with drinks.

You will see no criticism from me if Ash performs consistantly. 30 average is not performing. I think I have cleared my position here.

By the way, I would be happy if Ash performs like Riyad or Shakib [I never dreamt he would perform like the Indian Icon, you blind fans did.]


top post from tigers_eye

the reality is that ashraful is still inconsistent. We want ash to perform. but if he repeats the same scenario after having one-two good knocks, then i have two words. Drop Ash!

riankhan
January 12, 2010, 01:18 PM
The possibility of having a Consistent ash is getting reduced. If he cant do it at 26, there are little possibility that he will do it in the age of 30+. Pls admit, he just doesnt have the brain (no clue what so ever on "what to do")
Aftab is better fielder and has better average.

AsifTheManRahman
January 12, 2010, 01:28 PM
Here's where they all stand at the end of the tri-series:

<table class="engineTable"><thead><tr class="head"><th title="player name" class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Player</th> <th title="matches played" class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">Mat</th> <th title="innings batted" nowrap="nowrap">Inns</th> <th title="not outs" nowrap="nowrap">NO</th> <th title="runs scored" nowrap="nowrap">Runs</th> <th title="highest inns score" class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">HS</th> <th title="batting average" nowrap="nowrap">Ave</th> <th title="balls faced" nowrap="nowrap">BF</th> <th title="batting strike rate" nowrap="nowrap">SR</th> <th title="hundreds scored" nowrap="nowrap">100</th> <th title="fifties scored" nowrap="nowrap">50</th> <th title="ducks scored" nowrap="nowrap">0</th> <th title="boundary fours" nowrap="nowrap">4s</th> <th title="boundary sixes" nowrap="nowrap">6s</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mahmudullah (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56025.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">193</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">64*</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">193.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">196</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">98.46</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">18</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Naeem Islam (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56054.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">63</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">22*</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">63.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">41</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">153.65</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">3</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Imrul Kayes (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/280734.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">144</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">70</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">36.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">199</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">72.36</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">13</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">138</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">60</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">34.50</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">141</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">97.87</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">20</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Shakib Al Hasan (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56143.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">133</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">85</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">33.25</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">180</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">73.88</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">9</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mohammad Ashraful (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/55988.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">121</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">75</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">30.25</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">165</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">73.33</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">12</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Raqibul Hasan (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56093.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">103</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">43</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">25.75</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">163</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">63.19</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">6</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mushfiqur Rahim (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56029.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">80</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">35</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">20.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">105</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">76.19</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">6</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Abdur Razzak (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56283.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1*</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">66.66</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Rubel Hossain (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/300619.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Syed Rasel (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56160.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">7</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">7*</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">10</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">70.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Shafiul Islam (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/288305.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table class="engineTable"><caption>Bangladesh bowling averages</caption> <thead> <tr class="head"> <th title="player name" class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Player</th> <th title="matches played" class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">Mat</th> <th title="innings bowled" nowrap="nowrap">Inns</th> <th title="overs bowled" nowrap="nowrap">Overs</th> <th title="maidens earned" nowrap="nowrap">Mdns</th> <th title="runs conceded" nowrap="nowrap">Runs</th> <th title="wickets taken" nowrap="nowrap">Wkts</th> <th title="best innings bowling" nowrap="nowrap">BBI</th> <th title="bowling average" nowrap="nowrap">Ave</th> <th title="economy rate" nowrap="nowrap">Econ</th> <th title="bowling strike rate" nowrap="nowrap">SR</th> <th title="four wkts in an inns" nowrap="nowrap">4</th> <th title="five wkts in an inns" nowrap="nowrap">5</th> <th title="catches taken" nowrap="nowrap">Ct</th> <th title="stumpings made" nowrap="nowrap">St</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Shakib Al Hasan (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56143.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">38.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">173</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1/45</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">86.50</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4.55</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">114.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Abdur Razzak (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56283.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">34.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">184</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">5.41</td> <td class="padDp1" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Syed Rasel (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56160.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">22.3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">132</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1/58</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">132.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">5.86</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">135.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Naeem Islam (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56054.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">20.5</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">125</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2/35</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">41.66</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">6.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">41.6</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mahmudullah (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56025.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">16.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">96</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1/32</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">96.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">6.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">96.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Shafiul Islam (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/288305.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">15.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">102</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1/39</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">51.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">6.80</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">45.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mohammad Ashraful (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/55988.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">7.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">48</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">6.85</td> <td class="padDp1" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Rubel Hossain (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/300619.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">3</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">24.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">166</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">2</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1/47</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">83.00</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">6.91</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">72.0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Tamim Iqbal (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56194.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0.5</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">7</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">8.40</td> <td class="padDp1" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Imrul Kayes (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/280734.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp1" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">1</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Mushfiqur Rahim (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56029.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp1" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> </tr> <tr class="data1"> <td class="left" nowrap="nowrap">Raqibul Hasan (http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/player/56093.html)</td> <td class="padAst" nowrap="nowrap">4</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp2" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td class="padDp1" nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">-</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td> <td nowrap="nowrap">0</td></tr></tbody></table>

http://stats.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=5598;team=25;type= tournament

LateCut
January 12, 2010, 01:34 PM
:lol::lol::floor::floor:
btw when did he drop two catches??

You must be kidding. Here is CI report on it.

" Kohli played with commendable concentration until victory was in sight, driving and cutting beautifully even as wickets fell around him. He got his first reprieve on 83, when Mohammad Ashraful put him down at deep midwicket off Syed Rasel, and the butter-fingers epidemic appeared to catch on, with Mushfiqur Rahim fluffing a stumping off Shakib in the next over. Ashraful's woeful outing continued when he dropped Suresh Raina two balls later. It summed up Bangladesh's evening in the field though the match was as good as over by then. "

bujhee kom
January 12, 2010, 02:11 PM
The way Ash's performance regressed over the years it's really sad to see, and even sadder to see wasting a super valuable's spot by occupying a batman/player's space in the playing 11, in a team like our BD's national team....I would have given that spot another batter/leggie/future capt mat. like Ash himself, Marshall Ayub or even Shubho and I think we will get better result than having an unreliable player like Ash or Aftab.....this reason is very simple, a part of any competetive sport and cricket is to be able to think clearly, have a certain level of intelect, I don't think them 2 possess that. Thus it's preventing their growth. But who knows...it's sad and bad.

bujhee kom
January 12, 2010, 02:40 PM
Naa bhais, do not hate Ash, Ash is us and we are Ash. Ash is amader collective chetonabodh. Ash amader bhranto ebong sranto bibek.

Tiger444
January 12, 2010, 04:06 PM
i think people have got 2 understand that like siddons said talented players don't always translate in to world class players..in every sport there are always very talented players who turn out to be busts..for example stephon marbury in basketball..ryan leaf in football..could go way more in the list but i hope people understand my point..ash is just a once in a while i'll hit a big score type of player and people just have to accept the fact that he's just never going to live up to expectations..its great to see people liking ash the way they do and always giving support to him but the fact of reality is, is that he's not going to be a world class batsman..aftab and alok have also followed the suit as well..i think people should just lower the expectation of ash and not get so mad when he fails..i mean im a great fan of ash and really thank him for the wins he delivered to us fans and also made our country proud when he won us the australia and south africa game..he is our boy and he has represented bangladesh well but he's just been way 2 inconsistent for us 4 way 2 long..his average in 2009 which is a 24.5 just clearly shows that he's just not grown in to a world class batsman..i think he definitely added a new element 2 bangladesh cricket but it's really time for the team to move on from those days..players need to have a 30 average at least to be on the team and ash wasn't even close 2 that in 2009..as for the bcb i dont know whether theyll ever realize that we can move on without ash..we have other players to move on with like shakib, roqibul, naeem, and tamim..i think for the best of ash he should be out of the team and try 2 start over..he has to realize that having 3 or 4 consecutive 50 scores is much better then 1 century and then the rest single digit scores..even in the dpl his avg was so high because of the 100..and some of the series he has such high averages because of 1 big score..he needs more consistency in his scores..so again people should accept the fact ash isn't all that and move on..

al Furqaan
January 12, 2010, 06:02 PM
Are you listening to yourself? With a 30 average and SR of 70, Ash dominated the bowlers???? Then what did Mahmudullah do? Tamim? Shakib? Imrul? Naeem? They have all better averages. With the exception of Imrul everyone mentioned above have a higher SR for the series. All didn't dominated but was lucky to have a better average and SR than Ash.

So are you saying the others didn't dominate the opposition bowlers but Ash did becuase that is what you feel and saw? I truly do not want to discussion domination issue any more. You are right, with an average of 30 Ash dominated the opposition bowlers. I Concede.

One last thing:
In the past, you and others (ash blind supporters) have criticized Riyad, even openly questioned his potential, his contribution, his temparament in this forum. Because you thought you can take Riyad's position and hand it to Ash. Why are you not criticizing Riyad now? Don't answer that. To put it simply, he is performing consistantly and that is why you want him in the team (even then you may have doubts flat track etc.).

Same with Ash. If he performs CONSISTANTLY, no "Baper beta" in this forum will criticize Ash. However, blind fans will continue to defend Ash and his position as he has the most potential, I "feel" and "saw" he is dominating the bowlers, when in reality he is still as inconsistant as before.

I don't know about you but I am a Bangladesh Cricket team supporter first. For the sake of the team would not hesitate to criticise a bad performance and praise a good performance by any individual player.

You are still judging players through their potential and not the output. Potential means nothing when you can't translate it in to runs. Those days are long gone. We are in to 2010. Performance dictates everything from here on. That is why Alok, Aftab can't get in to the team any more. The last one standing of the AAA battery needs to join the other two and start practicing running on to the field with drinks.

You will see no criticism from me if Ash performs consistantly. 30 average is not performing. I think I have cleared my position here.

By the way, I would be happy if Ash performs like Riyad or Shakib [I never dreamt he would perform like the Indian Icon, you blind fans did.]

OK, fine maybe dominate is a bad word, and i'll take it back. nonetheless, after all is said and done, can you show me any example on espn360 replays where ash was troubled by the bowlers? getting run out twice is not being troubled by the bowlers.

there are inside edges, outside edges, top edges, bottom edges, being beaten, taking almighty heave at nothing but air, being bamboozled by turn, getting beaten by pace, being taken by surprise by the googly or doosra, misreading the armball, lofting one straight to the fielder only to be dropped, driving airily (only one on the list i can't attest that he didn't do, tho when i saw him he drove along the ground). can you find any of these?

ash does not bat in 6-7 where he can blast away in the slog overs, hence he has a lower strike rate. he also batted mostly outside the PPs this series when fields are spread and boundaries are hard to come by.

dominating cannot be measured simply by averages and strike rates, otherwise where is faisal hossain dickens? that guy scores more runs in ALL our domestic competitions than ash, shakib, tamim, naeem, riyad combined. what happened to him?

mashrafee's strike rate is better than shakib's, and so is aftab's...are they more dominating? are they better suited to batting in his place?

to me consistency was a lucky run out away...maybe to others some other make-believe events were going on (again, espn360 should clear the matter - heck lets make the task easy and just use CI ball-by-ball, its a great tool).

now lets say for the sake of argument - and please note that i somewhat agreed with you until this tri-series, we've never had a disgreement before now - that ash needs to give up his spot. who are we going to replace him with?

aftab you don't want, nor alok. fine.

SN...do we think SN can average 25-30 against G8 teams? i don't.

mehrab junior? junaid siddique? rajin saleh? how about anamul haque or mahmudul hasan? lets just pull them off the U-19 world cup...

i seriously cannot think of any player right now that could do better than any of our top 8 batsmen right now. i'm gettin flak from eshen bhai for supporting mushy's batting for reasons of potential, and of course i'm still on Rock's side (although if he doesn't produce a 50 in the next few innings i may have to rethink his position despite his consistency). and thats the thing, consistency in and of itself is not the answer, the ability to play the big innings is. 8 batsmen all consistently giving you 35 runs isn't even going to get 250 runs and we need more. and apart from shakib, no one has played more 70+ innings than ash (shakib is ahead on frequency).

i don't see anybody that can do anything more than what ash is doing already, potentially or otherwise. when we do, i'll be the first one on his bandwagon.

zainab
January 12, 2010, 06:15 PM
And Bhajji the other day (and he had no dew as well, maybe second one had light in his eyes but the first one was dolly). And for Ash in both cases it was really cold, though he should've taken them both.

Now, what will these boys do when they tour England to play in May. It is still fairly cool and damp at that time. i remember last year the Windians were keeping their hands in their pockets, could not field and catch properly.

nahaz
January 12, 2010, 06:56 PM
Let's see how Ash goes in tests. We all know he will be there..

In general, we all know he has potential to score big runs, and brisk runs. Rakib has potential to do neither...he was even taking risks and geting edges in last ODI tryin to score. nevertheless, he helps us get to a respectable score. If we had good bowlers, that'd help.

There's noone to replace Ashraful as yet. He's always a step ahead to keep his place. Other than Riyad, he looked our best batsman in first 3 ODIs. And Riyad doesn't need to worry about building innings as much. But Riyad did do fantastic job in last ODI building the innngs with Sakib. If you want to replace ash,there's only one choice, Naeem. And noone seems to bother putting him up the order so he's untested. Plus 1) Can he produce big innings more than Ash; 2) Can he bat so high up the order? 3) Do we not need him don the order?

Nahaz-Ash supporter.

Gowza
January 12, 2010, 07:37 PM
raqib just hasn't been the same since his injury before the australia tour, like i said in another thread, he's solid and helps the team hold an innings together but the team is improving and he needs to go with them, biggest thing for him to work on is his ability to accelerate on his terms.

now ash and test cricket, he plays this next series because of his record against india, if it was outside the subcontinent he wouldn't warrant a selection in the squad let alone the the starting XI, the fact is he's been horrible his whole test career outside the subcontinent and although ODI form can be use to make selections for test cricket they have to be reasonable and ash's record in tests outside of the subcontinent far outweight any positives his ODI form could bring imo.

there is no one to replace ash atm? riyad...naeem....SN....and the aftab's and alok's probably wouldn't do any worse. why would you bring in an aftab or alok when they're basically the same as ash? well the simple answer is ash has been giving double the amount of chances (or more), he's had his turn and maybe it's time to give another talent that sort of chance. in saying that definitely go with the first 3 (riyad, naeem, SN) aftab and alok need to prove themselves domestically before taking any national place imo.

hbk619
January 12, 2010, 07:39 PM
SN...do we think SN can average 25-30 against G8 teams? i don't.
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there u go... if u think sn can't do good against gr8 teams, based on his past experience. then u can't think ash should be in the team based on his past experience of 10 yrs. period!

Tiger444
January 12, 2010, 09:27 PM
there u go... if u think sn can't do good against gr8 teams, based on his past experience. then u can't think ash should be in the team based on his past experience of 10 yrs. period!

well ash has an avg of a 23 against the top 8 teams while sn has an average of about a 10 and yes ash got many more chances but sn did get 15 games 2 prove himself against top 8 teams and he just hasn't delivered..of course that is the past but that is still very poor..i feel like these old breed replacing ash isn't the best idea..aftab is just as inconsistent or even more then ash and also had an avg of an 18 against top 8 teams..people have suggested that ash could be moved down the order and be a slogger and a part time bowler and i liked that idea but now thinking about it..ash is just not a good slogger..he needs time on the crease before he can accelerate..ash is a pure batsman period..and he's a top order batsman..aftab is also on the boat..alok on the other hand is a slogger down the order so he could fit in if mahmudullah or naeem move up the order..i feel like the team would be fine if they have 7 batsmen and is unnecessary if we have 8 batsmen..it's interesting to see what the team management does in the future..

beshideshi
January 12, 2010, 09:42 PM
in game 3, ash was actually well inside the crease when the bails were removed, his bat just bounced off the ground. call it bad luck, or ash's fault for not being a quarter second slower so that his bat hit the ground right as the bails hit, but that was a bad call from the umpire, some part of his bat appeared to be touchng the ground or very near it...batsman should always get the benefit of the doubt, especially when he had made his ground by a good 4 inches of the bat.

but yeah, i agree, ashraful has indeed put a value on his wicket - based on the first 3 games of the tri-series, wasn't troubled at all by the bowlers (and he's played on many a flat track before and gotten out cheaply to stupid shots), and looked set to score loads each time he came to crease.

its only a matter of time before he transforms his near 40 DPL average over the last 2 seasons onto the ODI scene. we're slowly seeing it now. he does tend to get a bit carried away against zimbabwe, takes things a bit more seriously against G8 sides, and really tries to make it count against associates - judging from his recent averages against them.

for some reason, everone asides from you, me, Beamer, Rommel, Murad, and cricman, automatically assumes that 150+ matches means u have to start averaging 40 with the bat.
I think the decision in the 3rd game could have gone either way, the bat did cross the line, but was technically in the air, if I was the umpire I would have given the benefit of doubt to the batsmen. But i cant complaint about the decision much. All I wanted to say was, that wicket was not Ash's fault. His luck was off.
About his average, it is extremely hard to improve your average after you have played 150 games. I believe Ash's average was around 20 even after he completed 100 games[You for one would know the exact figure], and now he is averaging around 24. I am sure he will be averaging a lot higher in the coming years.
You also have to comprehend the value Ash adds to the team, he has centuries against 4 test teams, and that was the boom boom Ash. I really want to see how he performs in the India series. As usual, expecting a lot from him :):flag:

Eshen
January 12, 2010, 10:00 PM
now ash and test cricket, he plays this next series because of his record against india, if it was outside the subcontinent he wouldn't warrant a selection in the squad let alone the the starting XI, the fact is he's been horrible his whole test career outside the subcontinent and although ODI form can be use to make selections for test cricket they have to be reasonable and ash's record in tests outside of the subcontinent far outweight any positives his ODI form could bring imo.
Gowza that's a very strange logic, that Ashraful's form in Test matches outside subcontinent should outweight his ODI form and his form in Test matches in subcontinent, given that we play only a handful of Test matches each year and even fewer outside subcontinent

there is no one to replace ash atm? riyad...naeem....SN....and the aftab's and alok's probably wouldn't do any worse. why would you bring in an aftab or alok when they're basically the same as ash? well the simple answer is ash has been giving double the amount of chances (or more), he's had his turn and maybe it's time to give another talent that sort of chance. in saying that definitely go with the first 3 (riyad, naeem, SN) aftab and alok need to prove themselves domestically before taking any national place imo.
Well, like it or not, Alok and Aftab are not consistent even in our mediocre domestic FC league. Ashraful's NCL stats are still prolly marginally better than those of Naeem, Riyad, or SN. I am not against replacing Ashraful with a more consistent batsman, but first let someone to show better consistency at some level.

Disclaimer: I am not a member of Ash fan club.

Tigers_eye
January 12, 2010, 10:01 PM
OK, fine maybe dominate is a bad word, and i'll take it back.
That's all it took bro. :)

Truth be told I like current Ash better than the old Ash. 100 times better. All he has to do is keep fighting and not give up!! Competition raises the game. Just like when Aftab turned the corner (Maturity) before the head injury.

Siddons and captain are much better equipped than any of the fans in evaluating players.

Gowza
January 12, 2010, 10:52 PM
Gowza that's a very strange logic, that Ashraful's form in Test matches outside subcontinent should outweight his ODI form and his form in Test matches in subcontinent, given that we play only a handful of Test matches each year and even fewer outside subcontinent

ash is a special case tbf, he averages 12 or 13 outside the subcontinent over his entire test career. one-day form doesn't always translate to test match form and tbh he hasn't been in good enough ODI form to outweigh the fact that he does only average 12/13 outside the subcontinent. but that doesn't really matter atm because they're playing india and they're playing them in the subcontinent.

al Furqaan
January 12, 2010, 11:03 PM
That's all it took bro. :)

Truth be told I like current Ash better than the old Ash. 100 times better. All he has to do is keep fighting and not give up!! Competition raises the game. Just like when Aftab turned the corner (Maturity) before the head injury.

Siddons and captain are much better equipped than any of the fans in evaluating players.

good to see the middle ground has been reached.

now, i'm going to say it again...i saw a totally new ash out there this week (barring last game, which i didn't watch and don't need to).

he's been circumspect before, but that was due to obviously being criticized, and he rarely looked comfortable at the crease even against the bowling of chamu chibabha. for the first time, ash looked good. composure was there, technique was there, the shots along the ground was there, temperement was there. he looked set each time to make a big one. that was something which had been rare the past 2 years.

i think his 40 DPL average from last 2 years will translate to a consistent 30-32 average in ODIs soon.

test performance, i have no idea, and he might just be an India/Sri Lanka specialist in that format.

Tiger444
January 12, 2010, 11:53 PM
good to see the middle ground has been reached.

now, i'm going to say it again...i saw a totally new ash out there this week (barring last game, which i didn't watch and don't need to).

he's been circumspect before, but that was due to obviously being criticized, and he rarely looked comfortable at the crease even against the bowling of chamu chibabha. for the first time, ash looked good. composure was there, technique was there, the shots along the ground was there, temperement was there. he looked set each time to make a big one. that was something which had been rare the past 2 years.

i think his 40 DPL average from last 2 years will translate to a consistent 30-32 average in ODIs soon.

test performance, i have no idea, and he might just be an India/Sri Lanka specialist in that format.

Well let's see whether he can deliver..in this series he did decent but time and again we see ash having 1 good score padding up his avg..i think to prove to me he has totally changed as a batsman is if he can avg a 30 again in the next series against NZ..that will prove to me that the guy has improved..wats really a worry is that his average hasn't been 1 of the highest out of all our batsmen..he was actually at the lower end..ash really needs to start being 1 of our higher avg'd batsmen..again i really love ash but if he is a liability to the team then we gotta look elsewhere..but please no aftab/alok to be in his place please because thats not gonna accomplish much..

Gowza
January 13, 2010, 01:03 AM
ash is averaging 26.23 over the last 12 months in ODIs, played 22 matches, one not out which was a century. he still has a way to go to prove himself imo, afterall he has played 150+ ODIs, averaging in the mid 20s annually is pretty poor for someone with that experience by international standards. i do however agree that he's changing a bit, definitely seems more willing to build an innings than he use to be so maybe there is a new ash and maybe he will be consistent.

BD-Shardul
January 13, 2010, 01:14 AM
Mashallah...keep going guys :fire:

PoorFan
January 13, 2010, 01:18 AM
That's all it took bro. :)

Truth be told I like current Ash better than the old Ash. 100 times better. All he has to do is keep fighting and not give up!! Competition raises the game. Just like when Aftab turned the corner (Maturity) before the head injury.

Siddons and captain are much better equipped than any of the fans in evaluating players.
Thats where I landed long time ago, as long as they [coach, captain] feel Ash is needed in the team ... we should respect/accept their choice. Clearly Ash is trying his best according to the team/game plan IS what it worth ATM.

M.H.Rubel
January 13, 2010, 03:47 AM
ash is averaging 26.23 over the last 12 months in ODIs, played 22 matches, one not out which was a century. he still has a way to go to prove himself imo, afterall he has played 150+ ODIs, averaging in the mid 20s annually is pretty poor for someone with that experience by international standards. i do however agree that he's changing a bit, definitely seems more willing to build an innings than he use to be so maybe there is a new ash and maybe he will be consistent.

26.23 average for last 1 year? Its very poor even in Bangladesh standard.
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Gowza
January 13, 2010, 04:02 AM
26.23 average for last 1 year? Its very poor even in Bangladesh standard.
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i wouldn't say very poor but it's not quite up there with the career averages of the better BD batsmen such as tamim, raqibul, shakib riyad and naeem (although a bit unfair to compare riyad and naeem to ash since he's top 3 and they're so far down the order, but then i'd expect those 2 to average more than 26 if they were up the order). even rahim averages 29 over the last year, granted he bats down at 6 so has some more not outs, and does have less 50+ scores but it shows that BD's batting is moving from a mid 20 average to being good to an average of around 30 (or higher) being good. mushy and ash are the only ones in the top 7 not averaging 30 in the last 12 months. tamim at 33, raqib at 34, riyad at 44, shakib at 47, naeem at 32.

shuziburo
January 13, 2010, 11:22 AM
Yeah thats right, your boy is making you eat your words. 5 50's in 14 innings since the captaincy was gone. keep on going Ash and leave them haters in the rear view mirror where they belong!

Rommel, I used to be one of Ashraful's biggest supporters. His natural gifts are immense. If you watched that match-winning century against Australia, you saw what he was capable of. He has excellent eyes and can wait later than anyone else on the team to offer a shot. In terms of pure capabilities, he is in the class of Tendulkar. However, as we have found out, talent by itself is not enough. Tendulkar and Vinod Kambli were quite similar in talents. However, Kambli did not have the maturity and discipline that Sachin had. You can see where each ended up.

Similarly, it was mind-boggling to watch Ashraful to throw his wicket offering a rash shot time after time. I kept hoping that it was only a matter of time. I finally gave up on him last year. Five 50's in 14 innings is such a misuse of his talent that I will not even comment on it. His ODI average should be 45+ with a strike rate of 80+. His test average should be 50+.

The way he is batting and fielding, dropping him from the team might not have a lot of detrimental effects. Perhaps, that is the only way to get through to him. Drop him for one year and tell him that he will be considered again after 1 year. If he keeps his brain-dead ways even after that, we will then know that the most gifted batsman that Bangladesh produced was not meant to fulfill his promise.

revolver
January 13, 2010, 11:23 AM
You must be kidding. Here is CI report on it.

" Kohli played with commendable concentration until victory was in sight, driving and cutting beautifully even as wickets fell around him. He got his first reprieve on 83, when Mohammad Ashraful put him down at deep midwicket off Syed Rasel, and the butter-fingers epidemic appeared to catch on, with Mushfiqur Rahim fluffing a stumping off Shakib in the next over. Ashraful's woeful outing continued when he dropped Suresh Raina two balls later. It summed up Bangladesh's evening in the field though the match was as good as over by then. "

:lol::lol::D
Ash and bhajji need to go on catching sessions..back to basics

SS
January 13, 2010, 11:33 AM
The upcoming tests will be very crucial to determine if he has "mentally" transforemed and ready to play innings worthy for the team and for his own record. Hope he will perform and justify his inclusion and important role in the team. Battings at 3 or 4 is really import in test to build a innings..specially when we might have a batting friendly pitch...

_Rafi_
January 13, 2010, 11:42 AM
:lol::lol::D
Ash and bhajji need to go on catching sessions..back to basics

Ash doesnt miss regularly. But Bhajji is catch dropping master. Indian bowlers feel comfort when Bhajji is not in the field

revolver
January 13, 2010, 11:46 AM
Ash doesnt miss regularly. But Bhajji is catch dropping master. Indian bowlers feel comfort when Bhajji is not in the field

:lol::lol::lol::sick:

Tiger444
January 13, 2010, 12:18 PM
i wouldn't say very poor but it's not quite up there with the career averages of the better BD batsmen such as tamim, raqibul, shakib riyad and naeem (although a bit unfair to compare riyad and naeem to ash since he's top 3 and they're so far down the order, but then i'd expect those 2 to average more than 26 if they were up the order). even rahim averages 29 over the last year, granted he bats down at 6 so has some more not outs, and does have less 50+ scores but it shows that BD's batting is moving from a mid 20 average to being good to an average of around 30 (or higher) being good. mushy and ash are the only ones in the top 7 not averaging 30 in the last 12 months. tamim at 33, raqib at 34, riyad at 44, shakib at 47, naeem at 32.

thats the thing..ash has the 2nd worst avg on the team in the last 12 months..only 1 that was lower was zunaid and he's out of the team already..and its not like the other players are very close 2 him either..thats really upsetting that mushy even has a better avg then ash..mushy is a wicketkeeper so his avg for a wicketkeeper isnt great but its still decent..ash isn't even an allrounder so he should be having an avg like roqibul or tamim..also you can call ash an aggressive batsman so thats why his avg is poor..but then why does tamim have a much better avg then him? tamim is as aggressive or even more..the time ash was in the team an avg of about a 26 wasnt that bad 4 BD standards but now 2 be in the team you need an avg of a 30 2 be in the team..so ash has catching up 2 do..if it was any1 else he wouldve been dropped by now..the thing is though BD has moved on from the AAA era and now we have more consistent players..last series wasn't a bad start but lets see if he can carry the form..

Fazal
January 13, 2010, 12:36 PM
thats the thing..ash has the 2nd worst avg on the team in the last 12 months..only 1 that was lower was zunaid and he's out of the team already..and its not like the other players are very close 2 him either..thats really upsetting that mushy even has a better avg then ash..mushy is a wicketkeeper so his avg for a wicketkeeper isnt great but its still decent..ash isn't even an allrounder so he should be having an avg like roqibul or tamim..also you can call ash an aggressive batsman so thats why his avg is poor..but then why does tamim have a much better avg then him? tamim is as aggressive or even more..the time ash was in the team an avg of about a 26 wasnt that bad 4 BD standards but now 2 be in the team you need an avg of a 30 2 be in the team..so ash has catching up 2 do..if it was any1 else he wouldve been dropped by now..the thing is though BD has moved on from the AAA era and now we have more consistent players..last series wasn't a bad start but lets see if he can carry the form..

With Junaid gone, there is no where to hide for Motin.

yes he had shown some sign of progress in 1st innings, but followed with slowly going back to square squire zero.

Tiger444
January 13, 2010, 12:51 PM
ya and i think now the #3 spot is in question but the thing is will the bcb ever drop ash? I highly doubt it..so what we have to really hope is he gets better and starts to avg similar to other batsmen on the team..i believe he has made the steps to the right direction but he's gotta continue..

AsifTheManRahman
January 13, 2010, 01:17 PM
i wouldn't say very poor but it's not quite up there with the career averages of the better BD batsmen such as tamim, raqibul, shakib riyad and naeem (although a bit unfair to compare riyad and naeem to ash since he's top 3 and they're so far down the order, but then i'd expect those 2 to average more than 26 if they were up the order). even rahim averages 29 over the last year, granted he bats down at 6 so has some more not outs, and does have less 50+ scores but it shows that BD's batting is moving from a mid 20 average to being good to an average of around 30 (or higher) being good. mushy and ash are the only ones in the top 7 not averaging 30 in the last 12 months. tamim at 33, raqib at 34, riyad at 44, shakib at 47, naeem at 32.
That's a very interesting post. Clearly shows where our batsmen stand with respect to each other. You're right in a way - to be in the team you must not only compete yourself but also be on par with the performance of the other players as well. The numbers reveal what everyone has been saying forever - Ash needs to up his game.

_Rafi_
January 13, 2010, 02:52 PM
Naa bhais, do not hate Ash, Ash is us and we are Ash. Ash is amader collective chetonabodh. Ash amader bhranto ebong sranto bibek.

amar antennar upor die gelo BK vai. Ektu Vab-Somprosaron korben ki(marks-5, tym-5)

shuziburo
January 13, 2010, 03:32 PM
If anything, either Aftab or SN, if they make a comeback, it will be at the expense of Rakib who is a bit of clueless lately in ODI's. The way Rakib plays at no.4, anyone from among Rahim or Riad can do his job equally well or better. I like Rakib and I hope he gets back to the days when he first came around.

We need a stabilizer and it can be Ashraful if he has learned to be patient. In fact, Ashraful can be a much better one if he plays smart because he is capable of taking a single on almost all deliveries and accelerate without taking chances. (The question is whether he can avoid those rash shots.)

Without a stabilizer, we will score 320 one day and 160 the next.

shuziburo
January 13, 2010, 04:06 PM
Hmmm ... Another As$ kisser is exposed.

This was a good innings from the view point that it made the difference between humiliating loss and "shomman Jonok loss". In a batting friendly pitch against Sri Lanka who just scored 400+ against India, a 260 target will not bring us a win anythime soon.

Its true, his 75 runs in 95 balls (SR 79) was instrumental in stabilizing the batting collapse and helped avoid humiliating loss. Its also true that his innings had the commponent how to build innings as a #3 batsman. But it was not a gem as some people are proclaimimg. His slow start was resonable and according to need and his attacking at the the end was what it should be. But the the thing that prevented his innings to be a perfect was the middle. i.e no second gear. He was too late concentrating on the RR....he kept in 1st gear too long and moved to 3rd gear too late comepletely forgeting the 2nd gear.

Thats where (plus other few places) we missed the opportunity to score 20/30 more runs. that could have made the difference from a good face saving innings to a match winning dominationg innings.

To be honest, I enjoyed Ryiad and naeem's innings more than Ashraful's. Those two all rounder players played exactly what was needed at that time in the innings. Ryiad wasted no lose ball and keeping the runs flowings and Naeem wasted no ball at all and went for all out attack and gave us 15+ unexpected extra runs with mimimum opportunity.

So to all my As$ kisser friends....hold you lips for better occasion (if it ever happens) or/and rather better player.

... and by the way, if your Motin Da plays his role a bit, why should any BD fans will complain? Sometime it looks like you guys are confused who we are supposed to support in the first place... the team? or Motin Da?

At least in this game there is nothing to complain about Motin. So why should we complain about Motin after this game? On the other hand, this doesn't require a new thread either. There are better things to do you know... rather than trying to smell the fart every time Motin Da releases one.

It appears that you wrote it in jest, but Ashraful played exactly as he should have. If the openers do their job, followed by an inning like this from Ashraful and some blistering shots from the lower order, Bangladesh should score 350. Even with our weak pace attack, it is a defensible total.

shuziburo
January 13, 2010, 06:35 PM
Mahmullah should bat at number 3...and Ashraful at number 7

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shuziburo
January 14, 2010, 08:43 AM
Did anyone notice that ash had to beg sakib to bowl 1 over? Sakib had already given the ball to nayeem before ash requested him.
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Are we watching Shakib to change from a promising captain to a Habibul Bashar clone?

shuziburo
January 14, 2010, 08:50 AM
Yeah mom and dad don't let me out of the house on school nights. Thus when I am in college and such, I will have tougher classes and more freedom to make use of my time and not just sit around on the computer all day. Now I'm not saying that I won't still post or anything, but I will definitely be more focused on studies at that time as it kinda has to do with the rest of my life and honestly, cricket is just a game that won't help me make end's meat when I get older. and for all the people who say grades aren't important, thats bullshit. If you don't get good grades, then that just shows me that you are lazy and not willing to work harder and make adjustments. Sure, we will always have that teacher that is a real asshole and makes it tough, but the same is true in the real world with bosses and such. If we just walk around saying that grades aren't important and that the only thing that matters is what you actually get out of school, then thats just a sorry excuse to me. To be successful, you sometimes have to be someone's bitch.

From my experience in watching many college students, just going to college will not make you use your time more wisely. I have watched too many supremely talented youngsters waste their youth away. Some even had to drop out!

Some moderately talented individuals, on the other hand, worked hard and are now well established in their lives. I wish you luck. I wish you fall in the latter category.

shuziburo
January 14, 2010, 08:52 AM
I am not a Ash hater... But I think we have to wait minimum 7 matches to watch a 30+ knock by him

No. I think it will take only 6 matches...

shuziburo
January 14, 2010, 11:30 AM
I cannot belief that some of us will continue to support Ash despite his repeated failures. When will it ti occur to us that he is damaging our team. Please get rid of him. The two catches that "my grand mother" could catch but he dropped robbed us of respectability. Besides, why is he in the team? He can bat either. Scoring in teens or less and occasional (once in a blue moon or twice as year) fifties are not enough. There are others who can do better.

Your grand mother plays cricket?

:floor:

shuziburo
January 14, 2010, 12:16 PM
Naa bhais, do not hate Ash, Ash is us and we are Ash. Ash is amader collective chetonabodh. Ash amader bhranto ebong sranto bibek.

Wow. I need some time to digest this...

SS
January 14, 2010, 12:22 PM
branto and sranto ki two brothers?

bujhee kom
January 14, 2010, 12:24 PM
Ji Shuza bhai and Ss bhai, ei kothata khoob shundor topnotch bolsi naa? Ami booka chagol hole ki hobe maajhe maajhe amar brain khub khule jai...ekdom fatafati kotha/thought bair hoite thake nonstop like khoi!

Ei bhranto aar sranto-er shathe Klanto ebong durdanto-o jog kore dite pari, ki bolen? Jinishta aro jotil hoe hai naa?

magic boy
January 14, 2010, 12:59 PM
klanto ar durdanto ki dui sister? :P