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Miraz
January 5, 2010, 07:06 AM
Champaka's current contract expires on March 2010. I was initially very excited when Champaka was hired by BCB as a bowling coach. He worked with Vaas, Fernando, Joysa et al and shaped Sri Lanka attack. However, I am not at all impressed with his contribution to Bangladesh pace bowlers after almost 2 years.

When he arrived, Sajidul was a promising left handed bowler who could reach 135 K mark... we lost him.

Shahadat - he blames his change of action by Champaka for his loss of form. This is debatable, but Champaka failed to improve him. He had the potential to be a top notch medium fast bowler.

Mahbubul was promising - he didn't improve

Dollar Mahmud - no significant improvement

Rubel Hossain - he is still very promising but looks like Champaka has little effect on his improvement.

I am not very convinced that he is the right guy to take the pace bowling department forward. I think BCB should start searching for a suitable replacement right now.

World Cup 2011 is only 13 months away!!

al Furqaan
January 5, 2010, 07:09 AM
we should never have hired him to begin with...look how's defanged shahadat!

BD-Shardul
January 5, 2010, 07:18 AM
NO :wave:

raf-stah
January 5, 2010, 07:19 AM
book him a one way tiket to lanka pls.

beshideshi
January 5, 2010, 07:26 AM
I dont think we ever had a pace bowling coach before and we were doing as good if not better without the coach. I mean if you look at Siddons/Whatmore you can tell they have had some effects on the players, but with Champaka I dont see any improvement with our pacers. I always thought we should hire some Pakistani pacer as our bowling coach. Aqib Javed worked with grameen phone pacer hunt for a while, what about him? Or we could look at 100 other pakistani internationals

Miraz
January 5, 2010, 07:31 AM
I dont think we ever had a pace bowling coach before and we were doing as good if not better without the coach. I mean if you look at Siddons/Whatmore you can tell they have had some effects on the players, but with Champaka I dont see any improvement with our pacers. I always thought we should hire some Pakistani pacer as our bowling coach. Aqib Javed worked with grameen phone pacer hunt for a while, what about him? Or we could look at 100 other pakistani internationals

No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.

lasith
January 5, 2010, 07:32 AM
I think he did well with the Sri Lankan fast bowlers no idea why he's not impressed with Bangladesh bowlers, his commitment towards BD?

_Rafi_
January 5, 2010, 07:36 AM
We should hire fast bowler from Australia or South Africa or WI. Hiring bowling coach from Srilanka and India is not good idea. Coaches like Donald or Walsh would be very handy. BCB needs to spend some money behind these coach

_Rafi_
January 5, 2010, 07:37 AM
No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.

exactly!

beshideshi
January 5, 2010, 07:41 AM
No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.

Why not? The reason we go after Aussie coaches is because they produce the best coach/cricketers. And Pakistan produces pacers who are best in the sub continent. And we will play most of our games in sub continent and their wisdom can surely be used.
Also we did have a Pakistani head coach, cant recall his name atm[2002-2003?] but we never had match fixing issues

Miraz
January 5, 2010, 07:47 AM
Why not? The reason we go after Aussie coaches is because they produce the best coach/cricketers. And Pakistan produces pacers who are best in the sub continent. And we will play most of our games in sub continent and their wisdom can surely be used.
Also we did have a Pakistani head coach, cant recall his name atm[2002-2003?] but we never had match fixing issues

You are not following Bangladesh cricket closely enough mate!

Mohsin "sidha khalo" Kamal was our coach and we hit rock bottom under his guidance and there was some match fixing allegation in WC 2003. Pilot denied the rumor but he lost the captaincy.

I don't want those days back.

beshideshi
January 5, 2010, 07:54 AM
You are not following Bangladesh cricket closely enough mate!

Mohsin "sidha khalo" Kamal was our coach and we hit rock bottom under his guidance and there was some match fixing allegation in WC 2003. Pilot denied the rumor but he lost the captaincy.

I don't want those days back.

Forgive my ignorance, I had tried my best to delete the 2003 WC from my mind, hence forgot about that.
Right you are about the match fixing issue.
Also I am not saying we should not hire Aussie/SA coaches, all I am saying is we can surely make use of the wisdom of greats like Wasim/Waqar as our pace attack looks like borrowed from a university team atm.

godzilla
January 5, 2010, 08:04 AM
in the far futur when mortaza retires, he should be the coach of bowling for BD:D! for the moment yes a new bowling coach is required (after the horror of the srilanka match with the 2 fast bowler).

Aritro
January 5, 2010, 08:45 AM
The idea that a Pakistani coach will neccessarily bring match fixing is a bit bizzare, and I hope it's being proferred with tongue firmly in cheek. It would also take the world's most retarded bookmaker to actually pay the Bangladeshi cricket team to lose.

As for Champaka, what's happened to Shahadat is one of the most disastrous developments in Bangladeshi cricket I can remember. We had ourselves a genuine swing bowler, who, while far from quick, at least had enough penetration to trouble international batsmen. Now he's bowling at Manjural Islam pace and it's bloody embarrassing to watch. If Champaka's forced the change of action that's caused his demise, then a few questions definitely need to be asked.

I'm not on the inner sanctum of Bangladeshi cricket so I've got no idea what sort of impact he's had on the other quicks. I think Rubel's more or less at the level I expected him to be at. He's still extremely raw so it would be unreasonable to expect him to be much better than he is. Our other bowlers were not very good in the first place and not likely to be very good even with good coaching.

revolver
January 5, 2010, 09:11 AM
he needs to go..did not have any effect on bd pacers

Naimul_Hd
January 5, 2010, 09:12 AM
we badly need to change our bowling coach. i just cant see any improvement in our pace bowling dept in last 2-3 yrs. we dnt need any high profile coach rather young promising coach who will understand our young fast bowlers and their injury tendency actions. As far as i can remember, former bowlers like Andy Bickel, Fleming etc have started coaching in australia. new and young coach like them can surely be good candidates for us as a bowling coach.

Miraz
January 5, 2010, 09:16 AM
The idea that a Pakistani coach will neccessarily bring match fixing is a bit bizzare, and I hope it's being proferred with tongue firmly in cheek.


It happened before, so it is wise to be cautious.
It would also take the world's most retarded bookmaker to actually pay the Bangladeshi cricket team to lose.


Depends on against which team? When it comes to lose match against a set of plumbers and part-timers (like Canada 2003), the stake could be quite high.

Tiger Manc
January 5, 2010, 09:43 AM
No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.

Yeah your right. I read that Allan Donald is going to train India's bowlers. I wish we had someone like him, who unlike Ramanayake was a top class bowler himself.

Shaun Pollock anyone?

bangla-red
January 5, 2010, 09:52 AM
The idea that a Pakistani coach will neccessarily bring match fixing is a bit bizzare, and I hope it's being proferred with tongue firmly in cheek. It would also take the world's most retarded bookmaker to actually pay the Bangladeshi cricket team to lose.


:lol: :floor:

Aritro
January 5, 2010, 09:59 AM
It happened before, so it is wise to be cautious.



LOL

If we're so worried about possible match-fixing allegations, I'd probably prefer the screening process to be slightly more sophisticated than 'shares the same nationality as someone who may have fixed a match'

I'd also prefer not to have to explain why a blanket assumption about Pakistani coaches fixing matches doesn't hold up, even if we're just being cautious ;)

I do agree that we should go for a South African/Aussie. Being a bowling coach requires some pretty specialised knowledge about Sports Science, fitness and muscle training and I know that in Australia at least, a top bowling coach is likely to have a grounding in those areas.

akabir77
January 5, 2010, 10:05 AM
It happened before, so it is wise to be cautious.

Depends on against which team? When it comes to lose match against a set of plumbers and part-timers (like Canada 2003), the stake could be quite high.

or when a certain team can go to semis if we lose...<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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we lost to that same team when our coach was Indian who mysteriously never cam back with the team to report what happen and why he dropped the most successful spin bowler in that tournament for that match and what not...<o:p></o:p>
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any way no pak/indian coach period. consultancy base is fine (max for 3 mo).<o:p></o:p>

Neel Here
January 5, 2010, 10:19 AM
Originally Posted by Aritro
The idea that a Pakistani coach will neccessarily bring match fixing is a bit bizzare, and I hope it's being proferred with tongue firmly in cheek. It would also take the world's most retarded bookmaker to actually pay the Bangladeshi cricket team to lose.
It happened before, so it is wise to be cautious.

Depends on against which team? When it comes to lose match against a set of plumbers and part-timers (like Canada 2003), the stake could be quite high.

winning and losing are not the only things that are 'fixed'. betting happens on all kind of things, from what the captain does after winning the toss to which position a certain batsman (say ash) comes in to bat. a bowler can be similarly asked to bowl loosely to certain opponent batsman. the list of misdeeds evil greedy men can think up is virtually endless.
many pakistani cricketers and staff have connections with the dubai bookie world and other subcontinental underworld. for example javed miandad's daughter is married to son of dawood ibrahim, probably the biggest mafia don in the region extending from thailand to dubai with further operations in africa and eastern europe and wanted for 1993 mumbai terrorist blasts that killed 250 innocent people.
others in PCB have connections with the extremist groups that operate along pak-afghan border.
till the image of pakistani cricket establishment changes for the better it is prudent to keep those names away from cricket in other countries. of course, if you have players with impeccable reputations, say an akram, that is an entirely different matter.

Aritro
January 5, 2010, 10:28 AM
winning and losing are not the only things that are 'fixed'. betting happens on all kind of things, from what the captain does after winning the toss to which position a certain batsman (say ash) comes in to bat. a bowler can be similarly asked to bowl loosely to certain opponent batsman. the list of misdeeds evil greedy men can think up is virtually endless.
many pakistani cricketers and staff have connections with the dubai bookie world and other subcontinental underworld. for example javed miandad's daughter is married to son of dawood ibrahim, probably the biggest mafia don in the region extending from thailand to dubai with further operations in africa and eastern europe and wanted for 1993 mumbai terrorist blasts that killed 250 innocent people.
others in PCB have connections with the extremist groups that operate along pak-afghan border.


To make assumptions about invidividuals because of the actions of other elements of the collective they belong to is unfair, prejudiced and illogical. And if you denied a candidate a job because of such an assumption, you could expect to be taken to court, and rightly so.

If we're going to avoid a Pakistani candidate it should be because he fails to meet the criteria in terms of ability, qualifications and, while we're on this topic, character.

till the image of pakistani cricket establishment changes for the better it is prudent to keep those names away from cricket in other countries. of course, if you have players with impeccable reputations, say an akram, that is an entirely different matter.I'm sorry to say that you actually couldn't have chosen a worse example! From what I've gathered on Pakpassion, It's generally accepted in Pakistani cricketing circles that Wasim was guilty of all the charges that were brought against him in the match fixing investigations, and that he and the other accused used their considerable influence to pressure Ata-ur Rehman into being the fall guy. Great cricketer, but a fairly dodgy character by all accounts.

dash
January 5, 2010, 10:59 AM
I am against hiring any pakis in then full-time coaching set-up.......

please dont get me wromg there are great bowlers like wasim and waqar et all....but I think they are too big an ego to work with sidons and co in our setup....the only way to have them is to give them full authority......which will lead to another big problem because I seriously doubt there overall coaching ability.......to me pak is most talented cricket nation in the world....there young batsman and bowlers develops just as flowers grow in the roadside bushes and yet they smell as expensive as one can ever buy........and it is hardly because of their coaches

alzu1
January 5, 2010, 12:50 PM
its good for sl cricket if he is sent back because alll these bowlers you see in our lankan team was found by him.....haha....its only you guys who are not able to benefit from him......thank god send him back :)

AsifTheManRahman
January 5, 2010, 03:27 PM
its good for sl cricket if he is sent back because alll these bowlers you see in our lankan team was found by him.....haha....its only you guys who are not able to benefit from him......thank god send him back :)
Haha so funny.

bujhee kom
January 5, 2010, 03:36 PM
I think not everything is the coach's fault or responsibility.

Bhais, do you all rememeber this ancient Bangla Proverb from Brahmanbaria: Mathar bhitor brainer bodole issa macher (goora chingri = tiny shrimps) ghu thakle, 17 master/teacher baitta khawaleo ogha porikkhay dabba maare!...Translation: When you have nothing but tiny shrimp's fecal matter instead of grey matter inside your skull, even if 17 teachers'/masters' combined knowledge have been made into a paste and then fed to you (by the way, it is NOT you I am talking about, talking about the imaginery chagol/bolod, in this particular case some of the bowlers of course) the moron will still flunk the test....If you know what I mean!

cricman
January 5, 2010, 03:50 PM
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030309/sp6.jpg

Hire this man ... I've wanted him as our bowling coach for 3 years now.

Don't let India take him

bujhee kom
January 5, 2010, 04:06 PM
^^cricman bhai, is that Donald?

akabir77
January 5, 2010, 04:11 PM
^^cricman bhai, is that Donald?

yes from SA

Equinox
January 5, 2010, 05:07 PM
Definitely not.

We should get an Aussie domestic coach. Let Siddons choose. Most of the coaches in Aussie state cricket are better than International coaches. Or maybe Courtney Walsh or Andy Roberts. I don't think we can compete with India for Donald so no need to waste time. But we need to get a fielding coach on board immediately.

RazabQ
January 5, 2010, 05:49 PM
Is Troy Coolie available? He's not doing much for Australia lately. And yes by this I mean I am disappointed that Champaka has not helped Sajid, Robin and Shahadat develop.

AsifTheManRahman
January 5, 2010, 06:37 PM
Is Troy Coolie available? He's not doing much for Australia lately. And yes by this I mean I am disappointed that Champaka has not helped Sajid, Robin and Shahadat develop.
[বাংলা]রজব ভাই, আপনার কথা শুনে চোখ ছলছল করে উঠল। ট্রয় কুলী ইজ্‌ মাহ্‌ নাম্বা' ওয়ান্‌ মেয়্যান![/বাংলা]The day Cooley becomes bowling coach is the day I will retire from my cricket-watching career because he will make us world champs and there will be no reason to follow the team no more.

AsifTheManRahman
January 5, 2010, 06:50 PM
Lame song of the day, just for Troy Cooley:


Aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye

Me want you (I'ma tell you one time) [x3]

When I saw you smack Lee my heart went knock knock
Now them butterflies in my stomach wont stop stop
And even though its a struggle broken ribs are all we got
And we gon' keep bouncin' till the helmet pop

Your bunny is my bunny
And my cherry is your cherry
My bouncer is your bouncer
Your yorker is my yorker
And now I've got his...

Chorus:
Off stump
Cracked like a broken heart
He'll be dropped soon for sure
Lemme tell you one time
(man I love, man I love you)
I'ma tell you one time
(man I love, man I love you)
And I'ma be your fastest guy
You'll be my number one man
Always crackin' bones for you
I'ma tell you one time
(man I love, man I love you)
I'ma tell you one time
(man I love, man I love you)
</pre>

fais
January 5, 2010, 06:51 PM
to be an international level bowling coach u have to have been a great bowler urself at some time but champaka never was that amazing.
BCB should stop gulping down all the cash tthat they have and use it more productively, like hiring a word class bowling coach - contrary to some of the other members here i think a pakistani or an indian coach would be perfect because most of our boys dont rlly understand english

Zeeshan
January 5, 2010, 09:00 PM
I think not everything is the coach's fault or responsibility.

Bhais, do you all rememeber this ancient Bangla Proverb from Brahmanbaria: Mathar bhitor brainer bodole issa macher (goora chingri = tiny shrimps) ghu thakle, 17 master/teacher baitta khawaleo ogha porikkhay dabba maare!...Translation: When you have nothing but tiny shrimp's fecal matter instead of grey matter inside your skull, even if 17 teachers'/masters' combined knowledge have been made into a paste and then fed to you (by the way, it is NOT you I am talking about, talking about the imaginery chagol/bolod, in this particular case some of the bowlers of course) the moron will still flunk the test....If you know what I mean!

lmao

Aritro
January 5, 2010, 09:39 PM
to be an international level bowling coach u have to have been a great bowler urself at some time but champaka never was that amazing.


Not sure about that. The man being discussed in the last few posts, Troy Coolie, who had an enormous impact on the England seamers who delivered the 2005 Ashes, was a very average bowler who barely had a first class career. Generally coaching is about having an intellectual understanding of the mechanics of the game, and the interpersonal skills to be able to communicate them.

magic boy
January 6, 2010, 12:06 AM
Lame song of the day, just for Troy Cooley:


Aye aye aye aye aye aye aye aye

Me want you (I'ma tell you one time) [x3]

When I saw you smack Lee my heart went knock knock
Now them butterflies in my stomach wont stop stop
And even though its a struggle broken ribs are all we got
And we gon' keep bouncin' till the helmet pop

Your bunny is my bunny
And my cherry is your cherry
My bouncer is your bouncer
Your yorker is my yorker
And now I've got his...

Chorus:
Off stump
Cracked like a broken heart
He'll be dropped soon for sure
Lemme tell you one time
(man I love, man I love you)
I'ma tell you one time
(man I love, man I love you)
And I'ma be your fastest guy
You'll be my number one man
Always crackin' bones for you
I'ma tell you one time
(man I love, man I love you)
I'ma tell you one time
(man I love, man I love you)
</pre>

:up:

Bruno
January 6, 2010, 12:10 AM
what about GLEN MCGRATH? can JAMIE get his aussie boy to drop by?

uss01
January 6, 2010, 12:15 AM
Why should we focus on hiring pakistanis? A good coach is a good coach wherever he's from. Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, wherever.

No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.

t697318
January 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
someone tell the idiots to not get greedy, and dig into their pockets a bit deeper and hire wasim akram to hell with champaka ramanayaka

nobody
January 6, 2010, 03:12 AM
We dont need any Indian A$$kisser and alleged matchfixer (in the form W Akram) as coach

Dhakablues
January 6, 2010, 03:28 AM
Wasim Akram- Kolkata Knight Riders consultant. Not interested in long term coaching other than India or Pakistan.
Aland Donald - Possible Indian team as of this week. Consider it done deal
Aaqib Javed - PCB. Was almost offered but he backed out as PCB offered him a contract.
Waqar Yunis - PCB. Only became a coach recently. His is devoted to Pakistan Cricket only.
Shaun Pollock - Mumbai Indians - I dont think he was ever contacted by BCB.
Troy Cooley - Australian team; I believe he was not interested in BD cricket at one point of time before Jamie was hired.
Andy Roberts - WICB official; He was never offered the job for some weird reason. But he was interested in the job when he came to BD for a short term assignment.
Venkatesh Prasad - Imran Sarwar is a better coach than him.
Kapil Dev - ICL official, anyone mentioning his name will be banned for 10 years in BD with death penalty.

Hyro
January 6, 2010, 06:01 AM
I'm sorry to say that Champaka did exactly the opposite to us SLs.. he was the guy who brought people like Malinga, Mendiss to the fore & developed guys like Kulasekara & Thushara... He realy did help our pacies a lot...

I dont know what he did wrong with u guys..:umm:

Aritro
January 6, 2010, 06:38 AM
I'm sorry to say that Champaka did exactly the opposite to us SLs.. he was the guy who brought people like Malinga, Mendiss to the fore & developed guys like Kulasekara & Thushara... He realy did help our pacies a lot...

I dont know what he did wrong with u guys..:umm:

His intervention seems to have completely ruined a seamer who was previously a very decent wicket-taker for us in tests.

Most of the others, I suspect, were simply not very good in the first place.

dark mage
January 6, 2010, 07:45 AM
Yeah your right. I read that Allan Donald is going to train India's bowlers. I wish we had someone like him, who unlike Ramanayake was a top class bowler himself.

Shaun Pollock anyone?

Pollock would've been the best for Bangladesh as a bowling coach. He was a thinking fast-bowler and along with Mcgrath was considered to be one of those bowlers who relied on their accuracy more than their speed. Pollock would be really good for Bangladesh, if he is willing to coach us.
I dont mind Aqib Javed either, he was another one who can spot talents and nurture them and was a thinking fast-bowler himself. He has the makings of a good-bowling coach barring the bad-reputation pakis have with scandals and match-fixing
And lastly Chamapaka really has to be fired. Under him, our pace attack actually seem to have regressed instead of showing improvement.

zainab
January 6, 2010, 08:28 AM
Definitely, a new coach here. What is wrong with BCB? Are they going to wait until the the fire is out of control to extinguish it? Champake should be sent packing before they extended his contract.

I hope that they terminate him in March.

Equinox
January 6, 2010, 06:47 PM
No Pakistani coach please!!

Pakistani coach will bring in another problem. Match fixing scandal is more damaging than anything else.

We should hire someone like Andy Roberts or Asussie/SA coach.
Plus you never know when they mix nandrolone or hakim with the players' drinks lol

Why not? The reason we go after Aussie coaches is because they produce the best coach/cricketers. And Pakistan produces pacers who are best in the sub continent. And we will play most of our games in sub continent and their wisdom can surely be used.
Also we did have a Pakistani head coach, cant recall his name atm[2002-2003?] but we never had match fixing issues
Jokes aside Pakistan have produced the best fast bowlers because of God-given talent not coaching. Pakistanis or Punjabis more specifically are inherently built for fast bowling. Aamir is a good example - he comes from a poor background but is a great bowler without any technical help from specialists. And I believe too much intervention will actually deteriorate his bowling. But Bengalis on the other hand...we are not naturally good fast bowlers so we need help from good coaches to nurture the limited talent of our fast bowlers.

Pakistani coaches bring too much drama along with them. I remember when the Mohsin fellow was sacked after the '03 World Cup he made a lot of allegations against the BCB and said that Bangladesh has no future in cricket etc. So it's best to avoid them.

Tendulkar_Mcgrath
January 6, 2010, 07:05 PM
I think we should not, we should hire some bowling coach from Pakistan

Eshen
January 6, 2010, 07:19 PM
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030309/sp6.jpg

Hire this man ...
Either this man or that man -

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00695/sport-graphics-2008_695347a.jpg

Tendulkar_Mcgrath
January 6, 2010, 07:23 PM
Either this man or that man -

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00695/sport-graphics-2008_695347a.jpg


Really good choice...But it requires a lot of money.....

Eshen
January 6, 2010, 07:28 PM
Really good choice...But it requires a lot of money.....
Well, just tell BAL MPs and Habamoni officials to pay from their own pockets next time they want to go cheer the team overseas, we will save plenty for a quality bowling coach.

mafizraju
January 6, 2010, 07:47 PM
I think we should first ASK Jamie Siddons on what his assesment of the Champaka is. If he thinks Champaka needs to be changed or not. We should only if he thinks, otherwise not.

No change without asking jamie please.

Even if he says Champaka is not good enough, then look for a bowling coach and take his help in finding one, ultimately jamie is the head coach and we need someone in whose selection jamie has a part in. This is as simple as it goes. He should be the all in all when it comes to national team coaching.

In a related point, even the Under 19 is going to NewZealand without proper Pace bowling attack. the coach Nannu haa mentioned that pace bowling attack is their biggest weakness. So the problem runs really deep. There is no pacer in the pipeline. Which is a serious concern. Something has to be done to adress this issue. I think BCB is failing miserably in this regard.

Buddhika_s
January 6, 2010, 08:33 PM
Please send him back, he was pretty awesome with us, brought many up and coming bowlers to the national stage.

tiger_club
January 7, 2010, 12:21 AM
the problem is at the root, we simply lacking quality players in the pipeline.. if you look back Mash, Rasel did well from the beginning..

Hyro
January 7, 2010, 02:49 AM
Please send him back, he was pretty awesome with us, brought many up and coming bowlers to the national stage.

Ya ban..thats what I was wondering as well....

The guy did a great job with our pacies... Kula became the bowler he is now because of him...a lot of r pacies especially befitted a lot..I remember everybody (the officials+the players themselves) saying how Ramanayaka developed our bowlers...

so....maybe its the type of talent ? :-|

magic boy
January 7, 2010, 03:23 PM
time to leave us Chompa ! thenku beri maach

Equinox
January 7, 2010, 03:40 PM
so....maybe its the type of talent ? :-|
Or maybe language barrier? I mean he does have a good record but something is just not working out. We are not asking him to produce Malingas and Vass but he shoud have shown some improvement in the current lot. Shahadat was a pretty useful test bowler...he regularly got 2-3 wickets albeit expensively but now it seems he has forgotten how to take wickets and his economy rate is worse. And he hasn't had any effect on the young, raw pacers. Bowlers like Sajidul have completely disappeared off the radar. I think his coaching methods do not suit us.

Nafi
January 7, 2010, 03:43 PM
Guys Sajidul is carrying a big injury, and has been out of cricket due to this for some time.

WarWolf
January 7, 2010, 03:43 PM
I want him to go.Period.

abherath
January 8, 2010, 12:25 AM
I remember there was a period when the Bangladeshi pacies did well under Champaka but since of late I was wondering too if he was having any effect on the Tigers' bowlers.

This could be a case of barking up the wrong tree. I think you have to think outside the box - look at in a different way.

You may have the world's best coach but if the player commitment is not there it will not produce any results. I remember reading an article somewhere that quoted Jamie Siddons as having said that the Tigers' commitment to learn was not good enough.

I see a lot of potential with the Tigers now. Last night's performance was a good example. However, they have been to complacent with victories chalked up against Zimbabwe and a weakWest Indies side last year. I think most of that time playing those teams was wasted. It would have been better to play teams like SA, Australia and India even to be beaten - that is what would really expose areas for improvement which the coaches could then focus on.

lasith
January 8, 2010, 02:16 AM
What about Chaminda Vass replacing Champaka?

WarWolf
January 8, 2010, 10:21 AM
Lankan people may have their own views. But i have seen the pathetic way our bowling dept weakened since Champaka came here as a coach. I don't have any confidence left on him now. The sooner he departs, the better.

Whatever may be the conditions, it's hard to remember for me when any opponent scored 250 against us losing only 1 wicket. Probably this is the first occasion.

Spitfire_x86
January 8, 2010, 10:33 AM
Lankan people may have their own views. But i have seen the pathetic way our bowling dept weakened since Champaka came here as a coach. I don't have any confidence left on him now. The sooner he departs, the better.

Whatever may be the conditions, it's hard to remember for me when any opponent scored 250 against us losing only 1 wicket. Probably this is the first occasion.
We are not new to this kind of thrashings, we just didn't score 250+ on a lot of occasions.

Similar stuff from memory, 2000 (http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65700.html) and 2008 (http://www.cricinfo.com/asiacup/engine/current/match/335352.html)

beshideshi
January 8, 2010, 10:48 AM
I know its the players who will implement the teachings on the field, but Rubel did not have any useful swing, no one other than Shakib turned the ball an inch. And these are the things one would expect the bowling coach to work with. Scoring 249 and losing by 9 wickets is embarrassing, specially when we are trying to show the world that we have improved.
Champaka may be a great coach, but not working well for us maybe. We may want to inject a new coach and see how we go from there on?

Beamer
January 8, 2010, 11:33 AM
Whether its fair or not, its beyond any question that we are not developing our young pacers for whatever reason, and since he is the coach, ultimately it falls with him. He must go. We have to find an alternative. Maybe someone new will bring new ideas.We have taken a total of 7 wkts in three games ! Unacceptable. We must develop our pace bowlers.

Russell2k7
January 8, 2010, 02:07 PM
Bye Bye Champa. Even Zim scored 300+ back to back against us now this heavy 7 wicket losses despite averaging 270.

lasith
January 9, 2010, 01:15 AM
BD should make some sportive wickets first to encourage their pacemen, also should not play day ,night games because of the dew.

fais
January 9, 2010, 06:32 AM
McGrath would be ideal for us.

He was the best thinking pace bowler ever. We have the money, its all about spending it right. Problem with bengalis is that they forget to think long term. If they dig deep and hire a good bowling coach we will win more, more people will want to watch us = more money.

Wakidul
January 9, 2010, 08:59 AM
I dont think we ever had a pace bowling coach before and we were doing as good if not better without the coach. I mean if you look at Siddons/Whatmore you can tell they have had some effects on the players, but with Champaka I dont see any improvement with our pacers. I always thought we should hire some Pakistani pacer as our bowling coach. Aqib Javed worked with grameen phone pacer hunt for a while, what about him? Or we could look at 100 other pakistani internationals

Wasim Akram the king of Swing! I say we hire this guy.

cric_mady
January 9, 2010, 11:13 AM
i think after we reduced lanka to 6/5, he did not want our bwling to improve:D

JOKE APART, if we find a better trainer, then why not?

Eshen
January 9, 2010, 02:43 PM
BCCI took Eric Simons, so Pollock and Donald are still available for us.

Ajfar
January 9, 2010, 03:06 PM
BCCI took Eric Simons, so Pollock and Donald are still available for us.

its not as easy as it sounds, these are classy players, they prefer classy jobs. and money doesn't always speak. we should get someone who's willing to work hard to succeed with our bowlers, someone who has a proven record of doing it. Champaka had that record, but it didn't work out for us. i'm sure there are plenty of other coaches out there who can do wonder with out boys, we just have to find the right person.

ahms
January 9, 2010, 03:30 PM
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030309/sp6.jpg

Hire this man ... I've wanted him as our bowling coach for 3 years now.

Don't let India take him

We definitely need a new bowling coach. If we can find a better coach, there is no reason to wait till March. Allan is good bowler. His personality stinks. I do not know how long his job might last. Anyway, Shaun Pollock, Walsh or Ambrose will be a good one. Only Wasim from Pakistan is ok, any other no use.

Omio
January 10, 2010, 06:54 PM
I think its time to sack him. I just watched one video of Shahadat against India on 2007. He was aggressive and he got bood pace as well. However, Champka changed his action badly. He is now a tiger without nail. He cannot even bowl at 80 mph. I really feel sad for him.



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Purbasha T
January 10, 2010, 07:27 PM
Ahhh those consistent 135kph+ deliveries!! Miss those. :(

I'm hoping, he'd shine in the tests this time round.