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al Furqaan
January 17, 2010, 06:38 AM
didn't think we should have hired a lankan as a pacer coach, but was willing to give him a shot.

then once he destroyed rajib and reduced his potency akin to that of an 80 year old man's virility, i had enough.

now the very game rajib vows to rid himself of that tall, dark curse, he rips up...coincidence? i think not. the pace is back (he need not be express,thats why we have RBX), the reverse swing is back, and the line and length is as good as its ever been.

add to that an impressive shafi, and a lightning quick if erratic Royal Bengal Express, and mashrafee is no longer needed.

now, he will not take 5ers every day, but for what its worth, this has proven enough. not one single pacer, except Nazmul and Mortaza has improved during Ramanyake's tenure. nazmul was also out of the national squad for most of that time and likely had little to no interaction with Ramanyake. Mortaza was always a good opening bowler in ODIs and his improvement can be attributed to his natural progression.

i said it first, and often i said it alone. but the truth shall set us free.

Nafi
January 17, 2010, 08:23 AM
We need to stick to the bunch we have. And develop the newbies in this bunch (rubel, robin, shafiul) as well as possible, which is why we need a reliable coach, not someone who reads a cricketing manual.

I would call for a pakistani coach, waqar would be brilliant, even for short term work.

hoodlum
January 17, 2010, 08:42 AM
I say nurture the youngsters properly and the likes of Rajib are there to help them and to improve their own game all the time.Afterall experience does matters.

WarWolf
January 17, 2010, 11:59 AM
Bye bye to Mr. Ramanayake.

AsifTheManRahman
January 17, 2010, 12:20 PM
We need to stick to the bunch we have.
That's my policy. But unfortunately, we haven't been doing that much. Sajed is lost, Robin can't get a game and is often left out of the squad.

I don't have any problems with Shafiul. I called it as a I saw it - he was crap in the first ODI and the fact that it was his debut match isn't an excuse when he hardly even tried to bowl line and length. You can go at six an over on your debut, but going at ten an over like he did in his first spell is inexcusable, especially when we needed quick wickets in the beginning.

Then he did OK in the last couple of ODIs and he definitely has some potential as he has shown in the first inning. But where are the wickets? Don't tell me he was unlucky - sure, he did get an edge off Tendulkar, but he still wasn't penetrating enough for an opening bowler. Other pacers in the pipeline could probably have bowled the opening spell he bowled last night. But my problem isn't there either - he will learn with time and I'm OK with that.

Here's my problem: the guy has only played 7 FC matches. He's not freaking Mohammed Aamer. Do we even know if he's physically fit enough to sustain long spells on relatively dead tracks? Is there any guarantee that after showing glimpses of hope here and there, he won't go downhill like others who were dragged in too early? Test cricket is no joke and I'd rather play some of the more experienced guys like Robin until Shafiul and Rubel have played enough FC games and learned enough tricks to serve us for years. I want long term, not someone who comes in with a bang and leaves silently shortly after, even if it means we're giving up short term gains. My real qualm is with the management, not any individual player.

As for Champaka, well, I think most of us wanted him out even before Rajib's heroics last night. Rajib has to cut down on the number of deliveries he bowls down the leg though, but since he just seems to be finding his rythm back, I say give him some time because in his prime, he was the best Test match fast bowler we had.

wiseshah
January 17, 2010, 12:24 PM
adios ramanayeke,

get saf or aussie bowling coach

chol_bd123
January 17, 2010, 12:44 PM
Who said Shahahdat was bowling his old way. 'whatever he may say, it is almost impossible to revert back to your old way of bowling in a matter of days.

the reason why he started bowling around 84-85 mph in the middle was he got a couple of wickets and he had an adrenaline rush.
But he did bowl really well. I wanted a couple more bouncers at 86 mph targeted for their throat.

Nafi
January 17, 2010, 01:07 PM
one last time, Sajed isnt lost, he's injured long term.

uss01
January 17, 2010, 01:17 PM
So just because he's sri lankan we should't have hired him? Hmmm.


didn't think we should have hired a lankan as a pacer coach, but was willing to give him a shot.

nycpro96
January 17, 2010, 01:19 PM
Waqar would do wonders.

shuziburo
January 17, 2010, 01:31 PM
We need to stick to the bunch we have. And develop the newbies in this bunch (rubel, robin, shafiul) as well as possible, which is why we need a reliable coach, not someone who reads a cricketing manual.

I would call for a pakistani coach, waqar would be brilliant, even for short term work.

What you want is a thinking pacer. In fact, if Imran or Sarfraz were coaching, they would be amongst my choices.

Purbasha T
January 17, 2010, 01:40 PM
So just because he's sri lankan we should't have hired him? Hmmm.

I think he meant there were no legendary pacers that appeared from the SL team (well except Vaas maybe but that's all).

bujhee kom
January 17, 2010, 01:46 PM
Shuza bhai, Isn't Imran Khan an MP/politician in Rawalpindi or Punjab/Peshwar?

Nafi
January 17, 2010, 01:49 PM
I think he meant there were no legendary pacers that appeared from the SL team (well except Vaas maybe but that's all).

I wouldnt mind Vaas do some work with Rasel

BD Tigers
January 17, 2010, 02:26 PM
what I dont get from the pacers is why they dont go around the wicket to the tail enders. Amit Mishra/Zaheer and now Ishant, they dont know how to bat. So go around the wk, and bowl some bouncers targeting the head. Either they will fend off and gave us a catch or their "thuthi" will break. Either way - I'd love it.

Murad
January 17, 2010, 02:37 PM
Jokhon kharap kore tokhon shob dosh coach er....

FagunerAgun
January 17, 2010, 02:39 PM
BD_ tigers, I thinks Zaheer Khan had a century few years back against BD in a partnership with Tendu.

chol_bd123
January 17, 2010, 02:53 PM
BD_ tigers, I thinks Zaheer Khan had a century few years back against BD in a partnership with Tendu.

no it was 75

Russell2k7
January 17, 2010, 02:54 PM
wait what do you mean by Rajib got rid of Ramny? U mean he is no longer our bowling coach?

AsifTheManRahman
January 17, 2010, 05:31 PM
one last time, Sajed isnt lost, he's injured long term.
And I certainly don't want that for another young pacer just because his body isn't ready for Test cricket.

Gowza
January 17, 2010, 06:04 PM
does anyone actually know if shahadat did change back to his old action? i know he said he was going to or wanted to but that doesn't mean he has. need to get some footage of the old shahadat, the one ramnyake turned him into and then the one in this test match and compare the footage.

al Furqaan
January 17, 2010, 06:06 PM
He's not freaking Mohammed Aamer.

sure aamer has loads of potential, but he also has a test average of 50 or nearly so. rajib's is much better with a better SR to boot, even after his horrendous run of form (read ramanyake) for over a year. sure he's quick, but if our Aussie series wasn't cancelled, i'll bet RBX would have a couple fo 150k deliveries to jot down on his resume as well. he's bowling just as fast as aamer/ishant/malinga on subcontinent wickets. in fact, i'd say he's consistenly quicker than any subcontient bowler barring dilhara fernando on these tracks. he just has to fix his erraticism.

lets just not deify aamer...yet.

shuziburo
January 17, 2010, 10:18 PM
Shuza bhai, Isn't Imran Khan an MP/politician in Rawalpindi or Punjab/Peshwar?

Yep. Unfortunately, neither Imran nor Sarfraz is coaching.

al Furqaan
January 17, 2010, 10:26 PM
does anyone actually know if shahadat did change back to his old action? i know he said he was going to or wanted to but that doesn't mean he has. need to get some footage of the old shahadat, the one ramnyake turned him into and then the one in this test match and compare the footage.

youtube has his SA and India series highlights with old action.

i can't tell if he's changed it - he said he would, he was fed up, and i take his word at it - so it has to be the factor. the pitch is not like super conducive to pace bowling.

Dhakablues
January 17, 2010, 10:55 PM
Waqar would do wonders.

However, why would Waqare join BD team leaving his national coaching contract with PCB? Same for Aaqib Javed ..Wasim is with KKR and happy being the bowling consultant along with Dav Watmore being the head coach...

Tigers_eye
January 17, 2010, 11:38 PM
I have seen more already from Ramanake. The line and length of Nazmul has improved alot. Pace bowling is not an individual bowling.

Dear Assad,
I strongly disagree. Have you read Shakib's comment? Shahadat didn't bowl well. I hope you saw his bowling live.

Tigers_eye
January 17, 2010, 11:43 PM
What makes you think Ramanake changed Shahadat's action? He clearly said that he changed his foot position on the pitch. Not his action. Get all the info first.
Ramanayake, who has played a hand in developing many Sri Lankan seamers, isn't too fussed with the critics as he maintains he didn't change Shahadat's action but only just made a few tweaks. "His action was never changed," Ramanayake told Cricinfo. "We changed his technique as he was spraying the ball around and he lacked control. We changed his wrist position and the front-foot landing style. To me, he is a better bowler now. It's just that the people haven't seen him bowl recently".http://www.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/content/story/443580.html

Murad
January 17, 2010, 11:49 PM
Spot on Mijan bhai.

[বাংলা] জেমি সিডন্স তো টেস্টে সব সময়ই আপনাকে সবার আগে দলে চান। কোচ কী বললেন?
শাহাদাত: অনেক উত্সাহ দিয়েছেন। বলেছেন নিজের সেরাটা দিতে। চম্পকাসহ দলের অন্যরাও সাহায্য করেছে। বিশেষ করে আমি আশরাফুল ভাইয়ের কথা বলব। আমাকে অনেক উত্সাহ, পরামর্শ দিয়েছেন। অভিভাবকের মতো আমাকে গাইড করেছেন।[/বাংলা]

This is from today's prothom-alo interview of Rajib. Rajib said Champaka also helped him.

Don't understand why Asad bhai is so mad at him.

al Furqaan
January 18, 2010, 01:36 AM
I have seen more already from Ramanake. The line and length of Nazmul has improved alot. Pace bowling is not an individual bowling.

Dear Assad,
I strongly disagree. Have you read Shakib's comment? Shahadat didn't bowl well. I hope you saw his bowling live.

ok, ashraful "dominating bowlers" discussion part II: the shahadat/ramanyake discourses:

i watched it live...shakib is not god.

firstly, shakib's bangla comment could have been mistranslated. secondly, even if he said that, there are shades of meaning.

remember when ishant bowled brilliantly in OZ back in 08? he averaged 60 and took at most 5 wickets the whole series. rajib did that in a single innings.

what shakib was saying was sometimes you don't bowl well and get wickets, other times u do and don't get many or even any.

i did watch most of rajib's bowling. yes it was nothing extraordinary (barring that yorker to clean up dravid - but thats enough in of itself), but wickets are wickets and taking them is a knack. 5-71 should speak in and of itself, when 3 wickets are top order, and against the absolute best batting lineup in the world. thats not to mention the top edges and inside edges off SRT.

rajib bowled well enough to avoid any criticism. and why should this be about that rather than ramanyake?

cricinfo is contradicotry to whatever shahadat said here. who knows, maybe he's being a polite bangali and crediting the coach for this success? i don't know. i'm guessing that ramanyake is no good. and even if i'm wrong, there is no reason to think he is anything special. siddons is doing some special things, but not rama.

nazmul was out of national team when he improved before 2009 tri series. ramanyake had little or nothing to do with that unless he works with every single fast bowler in the country.

al Furqaan
January 18, 2010, 01:39 AM
i'm madd rabz, because all the evidence (or at least the bulk majority) points to rama ruining rajib for the past 18 months, and rajib fixing it by allegedly "reverting" back to his old action.

if i am wrong, the blame goes to conflicting reports, and i will apologize profusely to rama personally.

Tigers_eye
January 18, 2010, 03:16 AM
ok, ashraful "dominating bowlers" discussion part II: the shahadat/ramanyake discourses:

i watched it live...shakib is not god.

firstly, shakib's bangla comment could have been mistranslated. secondly, even if he said that, there are shades of meaning.
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i did watch most of rajib's bowling. yes it was nothing extraordinary (barring that yorker to clean up dravid - but thats enough in of itself), ...
rajib bowled well enough to avoid any criticism. and why should this be about that rather than ramanyake?

cricinfo is contradicotry to whatever shahadat said here. who knows, maybe he's being a polite bangali and crediting the coach for this success? i don't know. i'm guessing that ramanyake is no good. and even if i'm wrong, there is no reason to think he is anything special. siddons is doing some special things, but not rama.
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Who are you? Where did you get this userID and password? The Asaad I know is not a betting man and wouldn't open threads with "guessing".

By the way, Shakib is not God and you still agree with him.

akabir77
January 18, 2010, 03:24 AM
Who are you? Where did you get this userID and password? The Asaad I know is not a betting man and wouldn't open threads with "guessing".

By the way, Shakib is not God and you still agree with him.
:notworthy:

jisaan
January 18, 2010, 03:36 AM
no it was 75

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BD_ tigers, I thinks Zaheer Khan had a century few years back against BD in a partnership with Tendu.
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