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Zunaid
February 27, 2010, 06:51 PM
We've had quite a few questions about SLA vs legspin vs off-spin - of course, we could all go to wiki and read up - but I was thinking, I would create some animated gifs that explain the nuances of the different styles.

We could then look at different styles side by side.

I am putting up this animated gif (created via flash) as a first draft. Hoping y'all would have comments and suggestions and I could then create whole suite of animations.

http://www.banglacricket.com//html/images/animations/sla.gif

Zunaid
February 27, 2010, 06:52 PM
That's a might spin btw :)

Nafi
February 27, 2010, 07:03 PM
Examples of swing (movement in the air) would be nice.

chol_bd123
February 27, 2010, 07:04 PM
so how is it different from legspin then? to me it seems like legspin for a left armer.

Zunaid
February 27, 2010, 07:05 PM
I will try to do all - but do comment on the animation itself - what else would make it clear the different nuances for bowling style.

I have been thinking of front view animation, where from the POV of the bowler or even better from the POV of the batsman but my flash skills do not go that far....

Zunaid
February 27, 2010, 07:07 PM
I am not trying to go into a discussion of the differences but in the way to visualize this so that when we do it is clear...

for once, here from wiki, SLA first leg spinner 2nd

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Slow_left_arm_small.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Leg_break_small.gif

layperson
February 27, 2010, 07:25 PM
Actually there is no difference in leg spin and SLA, because both turn away from the right hand batsmen. The second picture could very well depict an SLA bowling from around the wicket as well. There are subtle nuances in the two styles which make it different. SLA is finger spin while leg spin is wrist spin so the latter has more variation and bounce off the wicket. Finger spin is usually faster than wrist spin as well in terms of speed.

chol_bd123
February 27, 2010, 07:37 PM
Actually there is no difference in leg spin and SLA, because both turn away from the right hand batsmen. The second picture could very well depict an SLA bowling from around the wicket as well. There are subtle nuances in the two styles which make it different. SLA is finger spin while leg spin is wrist spin so the latter has more variation and bounce off the wicket. Finger spin is usually faster than wrist spin as well in terms of speed.

That's exactly what I thought. But when i said it, people started to make fun of me.

Zunaid
February 27, 2010, 07:42 PM
Would it be fair to say that wrist spin is harder to pull off than finger spin - hence there are so few classy leg-spinners?

Ehsan
February 27, 2010, 07:55 PM
Z bhai, bowl trail like the ones from wiki would make it easier to visualize.

Zunaid
February 27, 2010, 08:11 PM
Z bhai, bowl trail like the ones from wiki would make it easier to visualize.

Who do you think I am - CDO at Pixar? :) I'll try but that just delays time to market.

chol_bd123
February 27, 2010, 08:24 PM
Z bhai, bowl trail like the ones from wiki would make it easier to visualize.

how did u get promoted to a moderator

layperson
February 27, 2010, 08:28 PM
Would it be fair to say that wrist spin is harder to pull off than finger spin - hence there are so few classy leg-spinners?

Absolutely hell yeah. Any decent cricketer can bowl some sort of finger spin. However leg spin requires a lot more control. You have to use your shoulder and wrists a lot and it is very difficult to keep a tight line and length bowling leg spin which is why you often see leg spinners bowling one or two bad delivery every over barring the Great perv Warne who in my mind is the best spinner I have seen to ever play the game.

layperson
February 27, 2010, 08:30 PM
how did u get promoted to a moderator


Its not a promotion, its more work for nothing in return.


Having said that I want to throw in my name as a moderator. AMI MOD hoite chai. This is my second or third time expressing such ichcha... Keo ki amar application ta ektu dekhben please :)

Ehsan
February 27, 2010, 08:33 PM
how did u get promoted to a moderator

ATMR, would you do the honour of explaining it? We have a secret method of becoming a moderator. In fact, its not a secret anymore - an open secret now.

Ehsan
February 27, 2010, 08:44 PM
Who do you think I am - CDO at Pixar? :) I'll try but that just delays time to market.

LOL. Well, you are the BOSS. Whatever works out. :)

Zunaid
February 27, 2010, 08:58 PM
how did u get promoted to a moderator

Ehsan != Eshen

NKVD
February 27, 2010, 09:12 PM
Awesome stuff, Zunaid bhai.

Welcome newbie Ehsan...and then I notice you have GT 5000 posts and have been here since 2003. You sure deserve a lot of respect. What a great guy you are to have been here since then. A community elder who has seen things we can only dream of.

Zunaid bhai - This is what I see as a diff betwwen the 2 (I tried to do it with my cork ball used for chimey padding - and I have only one of those, I promise) :

SLA: should actually be the 2nd one, where spin is a visually appreciable change in angle upon bounce. Movement in air prior to drop and after is like two joined sides of a octagon. Approach to earth prior to drop is more like a shuttle entry - definitely will occur. From a RHB point of view, is more likely to be hot forward over long on, for a six or caught.

Lespinner: Curved (or boomeranged) propagation of a ray (or ball) that skids into batsmen (of whatever hand). From a RHB point of view, is more likely to be flicked behind or through square leg.

mona
February 27, 2010, 09:26 PM
This is great! Especially for people like me who have been following cricket for 11 years and still don't understand the nuances of spin bowling (too busy looking at the bowlers bums instead of the ball mayhaps?) I always thought SLA was a leftie offspinner, which as the picture shows, goes from leg to off? Does that mean they are a leg spinner but just left armed? But is the technique same as offspin? *confujed*

chol_bd123
February 27, 2010, 09:35 PM
ATMR, would you do the honour of explaining it? We have a secret method of becoming a moderator. In fact, its not a secret anymore - an open secret now.

Is the secret getting 5,000 posts or is it kissing a lot of admin azz. lol. i did that two weeks ago and became a mod of allsportslive.info

Zunaid
February 27, 2010, 09:38 PM
Is the secret getting 5,000 posts or is it kissing a lot of admin azz. lol. i did that two weeks ago and became a mod of allsportslive.info

Over here - this will get you banned pronto. We work things differently over here.

chol_bd123
February 27, 2010, 09:49 PM
Over here - this will get you banned pronto. We work things differently over here.

what do u have to do then? give donations to the site?

Ehsan
February 27, 2010, 09:59 PM
Is the secret getting 5,000 posts or is it kissing a lot of admin azz. lol.

Oops. We are all straight people here. There will be repercussions if you even think of it as Dr. Z explained.

As to your query:

That is how we decide who becomes a mod and who does not. In a windowless conference room on the 18th floor of the BC corporate HQ in a yet to remain unknown city and country is where we make all mods go through the dreaded SOH* test. Implanted electrodes monitor bp, heartbeat, and the release of endorphins and like hormones. Candidates are subject to a barrage of Monty Python and SNL skits, read from excerpts from authors as varied as Anthony Leacock, Kingsley Amiss, PG Wodehouse, Anthony Burgess, Joesph Heller, Kurt Vonnegut, Terry Pratchett, Chris Genoa et al. Those with the lowest LASH* index are than inducted as a BC mod.




* Sense of Humor
* Lack Absolutely of any Sense of Humor index.

OBAdmin: Ok, this will be moved to FC anon.

More information is available: http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=29555

Zobair
February 27, 2010, 10:04 PM
Dr. Z..how about the image of a bowler...perhaps a stick figure...with the ball originating from the left arm for an sla and from the right hand for a leggie i.e. just to visually make the point that the ball essentially spins in the same direction but from different hands.

Ehsan
February 27, 2010, 10:05 PM
NKVD, your post makes me laugh. :) Yes, I have been inactive for a while. But yes, I have been around here for more than 7 years. I didn't realize it but its been a LONG time. Now, let me take the opportunity to welcome you to the forum.

My last non-topic posts. *Runs before Dr. Z gets mad*.

chol_bd123
February 27, 2010, 10:07 PM
^^^lol.
i have a question, do u admins unban people. i miss a lot of the people that got banned. e.g Cholcholbd, banglared, soccer20reverse, and countless others

chol_bd123
February 27, 2010, 10:09 PM
^^^lol.
i have a question, do u admins unban people. i miss a lot of the people that got banned. e.g Cholcholbd, banglared, soccer20reverse, and countless others

fwullah
February 27, 2010, 10:12 PM
Since its a thread about leg spin vs. left arm spin - Its a shame that we're yet to produce a decent leg spinner upon whom we can depend on at the International level.

mona
February 27, 2010, 10:15 PM
My last non-topic posts.

Tsk tsk. That's quite un-mod like behaviour. I say strip him of his powers, and give it to me. We did join in the same year, and I at least visit here more often :) Though my MaRI* may not be quite there, I'm sure you should be able to overlook that considering the noticeable lack of female mods. Wouldn't want a visit from the workplace discrimination commission would we?


Oh and sorry Zunaid bhai!
*MaRI = Maturity and Responsibility Index

chol_bd123
February 27, 2010, 10:18 PM
Since its a thread about leg spin vs. left arm spin - Its a shame that we're yet to produce a decent leg spinner upon whom we can depend on at the International level.

the only thing we do have is a bunch of SLA but no real legspinners or offspinners. Naeem and Riyad aren't main bowlers so they cant be counted

bujhee kom
February 27, 2010, 11:32 PM
Wooow! That is very cool Z uncleji!!!
Can you please show all forms of crciket bowling available through this animation! Thank yo!!!!

Zunaid
February 27, 2010, 11:34 PM
Wooow! That is very cool Z uncleji!!!
Can you please show all forms of crciket bowling available through this animation! Thank yo!!!!

Not quite as good as the ones on wiki... need the vapor trail :)

bujhee kom
February 27, 2010, 11:45 PM
Not quite as good as the ones on wiki... need the vapor trail :)

That will be great Dr. Z chacha! We would love it!

Zeeshan
February 28, 2010, 12:16 AM
Great initiative Dr. Z. Now we want the seam on the ball with Afridi's bite marks.

Zunaid
February 28, 2010, 12:17 AM
Great initiative Dr. Z. Now we want the seam on the ball with Afridi's bite marks.

Can you provide me with his dental records? I want it to be authentic.

Tigers_eye
February 28, 2010, 12:23 AM
Excellent work Doc.Now post something on the ball and grip. Finger postion I mean if possible.

NKVD
February 28, 2010, 01:36 AM
Wow. This thread is quickly becoming into a cricketing Geeks R Us stop.

rashed411
February 28, 2010, 02:15 AM
i would like to see some 3d animations with cameras from different angles, please. thanks.

checkmate
February 28, 2010, 03:08 AM
bowling style is stated by the hand with which u bowl..by ur hand action..bowling discription is given by the way u bowl the ball..not how it comes out..or behaves..for eg.

Right handed bowler..will have two basic style..

1. Finger spin..using the finger to spin the ball
2.Wrist spin...using the wrist to spin the ball.

Now in each style there are 2 types of bowling he can do..
1.Either clock wise ..motion of the finger/ wrist....this is called off spin./ ..but will be said as..right arm off spinner for finger spin, or right arm wrist offspiner for using wrist spin..(only while some one is wrist spinner,the term wrist spin is mentioned...basic finger offspinner are called offspinner)
eg.murali is called a right arm wrist spinner.off break,and shane warne leg break

2.Or anti clockwise motion of the finger./ wrist..this is called legspin..eg
The same with left arm bowling..

The way u hold the ball to bowl an off spin bowl is very similar in both hands..either left hand of right hand..for eg.sakib and mahmadullah hold the bowl..basically in the same way..but sakib's bowl will turn away from the right hand batsman..but mahmadullah's will move into the right hand batsman..but basically they both bowl off spin...the direction changes cause they use different hand..this happens coz our hands are mirror images of each other..thats y they behave differently..

Inshallah i have been able to make it a bit clear