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Moyna_fan
February 28, 2010, 07:29 AM
This thread is dedicated to the best wicket keeper in the cricket world.Not over his catches, not for stumping..but for the dropped catches.To count his average dropped catches, strike rate(may be his yelling), economy (how much runs the batsmen went on to make), best figures and 4 and 5 fors.

If U remember his past contributuions, plz do write.

Sohel
February 28, 2010, 07:41 AM
GoBoy can be the ideal batsman we need at number 4 but as WK, he has some issues:

1) Lack of focus.

2) Lack of positional play.

3) Lack of range.

4) Plenty of unforced errors in his young WK career.

5) Plenty of Sahara Khatun.

Conclusion: he's as much a liability behind the stumps as he's an asset in front of them.

Nadim
February 28, 2010, 07:46 AM
he is good for chatting $#it behind the wk
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Moyna_fan
February 28, 2010, 07:46 AM
he is good for chatting $#it behind the wk
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true nadim bhaia

Jesus87
February 28, 2010, 09:02 AM
missed a stumping of Eoin Morgan now.

Jesus87
February 28, 2010, 09:04 AM
Stupid terrible pathetic umpiring

_Rafi_
February 28, 2010, 09:19 AM
Any irregular wicket keeper can do much better than him...bring Ash or Rock as a wicketkeeper
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kazis2007
February 28, 2010, 09:37 AM
kick mushfiq out of team, such stupid keeper
mashrafi should be better than him lol

Abid_Khan
February 28, 2010, 10:04 AM
Big Z can keep a bit, maybe its his turn to take the gloves

Baundule
February 28, 2010, 10:16 AM
Dhiman or someone else should be there. Mushfiq should play as a batsman. In the BD team there is not much of a difference in the batting stats between a so-called specialist batsman and a bowler or so-called bowling all rounder. Missing 4/5 catches/stumpings per match is enough to lose.

auntu
February 28, 2010, 10:18 AM
He can play as no 4.
But enough is enough as a wicketkeeper.

magic boy
February 28, 2010, 10:24 AM
This is somewhat total view of the crisis of our cricket. big gap between Khaled Masud and Mushfiq Rahim due to enough players in pipe line. no one ever bother about wicket keeper. We only talked about opening batting,bowling but not standard wicket keeping and we're always pleased with normal keeping. *sigh*

FagunerAgun
February 28, 2010, 10:27 AM
he is good for chatting $#it behind the wk

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Yes, this compact sub-machine gun fires in all barrels behind the wicket, when he likes to, then he forgets his main job for a second.

Nadim
February 28, 2010, 10:33 AM
So far we lost 3 ODI in this yr because of him:mad:

chol_bd123
February 28, 2010, 10:33 AM
he didnt talk that much after he dropped the first couple of catches

Jesus87
February 28, 2010, 10:35 AM
So far we lost 3 ODI in this yr because of him:mad:

There are more heading our way. :(

AsifTheManRahman
February 28, 2010, 12:25 PM
We need to start looking at other options for wicket keeping. If the selectors are not confident about anyone in the pipeline, then we need to start grooming some of those players.

Unfortunately, in this team, your real talents are under utilized and you get rewarded with 50 games for poor performances. The problem with keeping wickets in ODIs is that you need to be able to bat a bit too. If the selectors think our reserves are worse than Mushy, then the board needs to do something about it so that we start producing better keepers who can also bat down the order in the long run. Mushy's good as a batsman and they should be looking to maximize his use in that area.

Raynman
February 28, 2010, 12:28 PM
We need to start looking at other options for wicket keeping. If the selectors are not confident about anyone in the pipeline, then we need to start grooming some of those players.

Unfortunately, in this team, your real talents are under utilized and you get rewarded with 50 games for poor performances. The problem with keeping wickets in ODIs is that you need to be able to bat a bit too. If the selectors think our reserves are worse than Mushy, then the board needs to do something about it so that we start producing better keepers who can also bat down the order in the long run. Mushy's good as a batsman and they should be looking to maximize his use in that area.

I don't see why we can't bring in someone like Dhiman immediately. I doubt there is disagreement over his keeping abilities and he can give you 15-20 with the bat. Thats no worse than what we're getting from Aftab and Z at the moment. Without the gloves, there's no excuse for Siddons to not promote Mushy up the order.

AsifTheManRahman
February 28, 2010, 12:32 PM
I don't see why we can't bring in someone like Dhiman immediately. I doubt there is disagreement over his keeping abilities and he can give you 15-20 with the bat. Thats no worse than what we're getting from Aftab and Z at the moment. Without the gloves, there's no excuse for Siddons to not promote Mushy up the order.
I don't know. Haven't seen Dhiman in recent times. Anyone watching the NCL? :)

al-Sagar
February 28, 2010, 12:34 PM
keeping wise mushy is still the best. dhiman is the only one close or just better than him. anamul, shahin or mithun isnot better than mushfiq

Raynman
February 28, 2010, 12:37 PM
keeping wise mushy is still the best. dhiman is the only one close or just better than him. anamul, shahin or mithun isnot better than mushfiq

Well case closed then. We don't have the talent to compete in the international arena.

AsifTheManRahman
February 28, 2010, 12:39 PM
Well case closed then. We don't have the talent to compete in the international arena.
And that's concerning. If Mushy is indeed the best option behind the stumps at the moment, that's very concerning and we must do something about it so that we start producing better keepers in the long run. WK camps, special training as part of the academy - I don't know. Whatever works.

Dhakablues
February 28, 2010, 12:44 PM
keeping wise mushy is still the best. dhiman is the only one close or just better than him. anamul, shahin or mithun isnot better than mushfiq

I believe the fan side of you is talking here...Unless you were joking and none of us got it... YOu cant be serious that Mushfique is the best keeper we have. He is the worst keeper we ever had.. Anamul/Pavel/Shaheen/Mithun are all way better than him. Those guys are more natural in WK space. Again Mushfique is a better batsman than Imrul, Zunaed, Aftab, Ashraful..... but keeping wise he is way down the pipe. And there is no disagreement there even amongst his avid fans like myself..

Raynman
February 28, 2010, 12:45 PM
And that's concerning. If Mushy is indeed the best option behind the stumps at the moment, that's very concerning and we must do something about it so that we start producing better keepers in the long run. WK camps, special training as part of the academy - I don't know. Whatever works.

I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but my concern is that Siddons has solely focused on batting techniques for the team. Our regression in terms of fielding, bowling and keeping is evidence of that. Even the focus seems to be on shots alone and not things like partnerships, running between wickets, difference in batting between PP and non PP and batting based on format (Test, ODI or T20).

i can't believe that Mushy is the best glove-man we have to offer. Fitness is a concern as well if the coach feels like he can't handle batting high up the order. Gilchrist, Haddin, Prior, Akmal .... all of these guys have balanced opening/keeping when asked.

smashyboy
February 28, 2010, 02:24 PM
He is still better than Kamran Akmal. Today NZ keeper made a mess of two simple chances. They still won anyway. Sangakkara also messed up a lot recently. He couldn't do even simple collections.

Russell2k7
February 28, 2010, 02:25 PM
Give him synthetic hormone for growth like they did with Messi from Argentina. I bet he will start performing betta then

Haradhon
February 28, 2010, 03:34 PM
Keep Mushy and bring in a good wicket-keeper

Orpheus
February 28, 2010, 04:11 PM
I think we should bring in Pilot back!! Sure he can't hit a 4 or a 6 but I think he can atleast rotate the strike in the middle over. Did he retire? I vote for Pilot's inclusion till WC!!

Our middle order is in shambles....we need to fix it ASAP!!

One World
February 28, 2010, 04:36 PM
If we can find a good replacement for Mushfik and pick another bowling all rounder who is more like a grafter will we really need Mushfik anymore for ODI-s. Besides I have doubts about Mushfik's ground fielding capability.

Orpheus
February 28, 2010, 04:55 PM
Mushfique is another ashraful but he gets away with it cuz no one expect that much from him. Yes his defense looks good.... he has a calming aura about him but when it comes to actually building an innings he comes off once in a blue moon. The kid has an average of 22 after 70 matches in ODI + He dropped winning games many times for us.

I don't think if he isn't there as a wicket keeper, he shouldn't be there as a batsman in the shorter version of the game. In test, is a different story.

Rifat
February 28, 2010, 05:37 PM
completely agree with Orpheus, aside from Tamim, and occasionally Shakib, MahmudUllah and chipping here and there Kayes, it would hurt at all to add a specialist Keeper to our fragile batting lineup anyways. since Aftab, Junaed, Shakib and a bunch of other guys combined failed to last 50 overs(let alone score runs)...PATHETIC! :mad:


Enough is enough! how much more easier can situations get? how much more easier do you want things to be made for you? England sent us their B+ team to tour and we still come up short....
Home conditions, Crowd right behind you, in form players, Mortaza Back, England the easiest of the lot after Windies and Zimbabwe, I repeat:

HOW MUCH MORE EASIER DO YOU WANT IT TO GET?????????

Gowza
February 28, 2010, 06:25 PM
mushy isn't that bad, he was playing earlier than he should have, he just wasn't good enoguh with the bat when he first came into the team. debuting too early and batting so low in the order has possibly been the reason for mushy's low average. even if he comes in with 25 or 30 overs left in the match the team is often in huge trouble so he lots of pressue to not only stay at the crease but score more quickly than he usually would. he showed us what he can do a few matches ago when he got that 80 odd, work the ball around for awhile then accelerate at the end when he's got his eye in and he's set. he really needs to bat at 4 otherwise he will score runs irregularly rather than regularly.

as far as keeping goes we all know he's not up to standard, nothing to discuss with that. for that reason the questions should be about dhiman, mithun and anamul haque. is dhiman as good with the gloves as he was before the NCL and can he score some quick runs down the order? is mithun's keeping better than mushy's and is his batting technique good enough for him to survive at the international level? anamul, well i think he shouldn't be considered atm but the questions are whether he's ready basically in all aspects (can he handle the pressure? what's his technique like? is he good with the gloves?). nadimuddin with his century probably got some notice as well, he was considered a decent prospect a couple of years ago, i think he's younger than mithun but older than anamul. from what i've been told nadimuddin's keeping isn't as good as mushy's but then the person that said that said none of the reserve keepers are as good as mushy with the gloves.

Orpheus
February 28, 2010, 07:23 PM
mushy isn't that bad, he was playing earlier than he should have, he just wasn't good enoguh with the bat when he first came into the team. debuting too early and batting so low in the order has possibly been the reason for mushy's low average.

I disagree. AGain he isn't that bad because he looks good when once in a while he is able to build his innings superbly...

These are his averages by year:
06...24
07...22
08...15
09...29
10....25

the reason 09 avg is high because all we played were zimbabwe and depleted WI. EVery single player on our team has inflated avg during 09. Take out zimbabwe and WI (against whom he is averaging in 37s, he is a miserable bat).. his highest avg is against INdia at 26.

by position he averages highest at number 6 @ 26 and @ 7 for 21. He was given 9 chances at 3 averaging 20 and was given 7 chances at 5 averaging 20. What does that tell you? He is a 20 avg player.... He is very suspect against fast bowler. So all of you wanting him to bat up the order are delusional I think.

NKVD
February 28, 2010, 07:55 PM
Orpheus' last paragraph is the numerical proof we need to debunk the theory of promoting lower order batsmen to fill in for the deficiency at the top.

All we will prove is that top order batting is no joke.

Shakib, Mushy, Nayee, Riad...all will be blow away at the top order. Let them become kings of the positions they hold now.

All Siddons needs to do is find 2 more decent batsmen for positions 2, 3 and 4.

He's had 2 years already, and he has gone nowhere.

Ashraful has gone from avearage to even more average, Rokibul hasn't shown much of a promise (maybe he is not done with him), Zunaid is no more than just a tall Bangladeshi...aftab and the rest of the ICL pack, are a bunch of jokers, and should be forgotten.

NKVD
February 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
I don't know - why do you guys not like Dhiman for ODIs ? He looked real good in Australia.

Yes, he is an ICLer, but he is a wk.

beshideshi
February 28, 2010, 08:37 PM
In an Ideal world we should have a good keeper who can bat well too, but in an Ideal world Ash will score 10 centuries in 9 games.
So I say we bring in a specialist WK for the short term, Mushy is having some problems behind the stumps. He missed 3 opportunities, not saying the game was definitely ours if he took the chances, but would have been much closer. We perhaps need to bring in Dhiman and play him at #8/9. These misses by our keeper is costing us big time now.

BD Tigers
February 28, 2010, 09:04 PM
i said this before and I am saying it again. Mushi needs to be in the team just as a batsman. We definitely need a specialist wk. We are not Australia/SF that we can afford to miss one or two chances behind the stumps. I have the belief that he can play new ball on any track. He has good technique and JS believes that too. Only reason he's not playing on top five because of wk. Let him play at No. 3 or 4. Then Riad will bat at No. 6 and we can include Shuvo in place of Razzak. Now there shud be enough batsman in the team. We don't need 8/9 batsman for ODIs. Cause if we need them to bat our overs (like today), then we don't deserve to win anyway. So here's my line up for future ODI, if I were the selector:

Tamim
Imrul
Mushi
Rokibul/Ash (assuming they r in avg form :D)
Shakib
Riad
Nayeem
Shuvo
Specialist WK
Mash/Rubel
Shafiul

Gowza
February 28, 2010, 09:13 PM
the thing about having a specialist wicki is that we need to free up a spot. that means either dropping a top 5 batsman or dropping one of mushy/riyad/naeem or dropping a specialist bowler. it would be great if we could just shuffle mushy/naeem/riyad up the order but one of them would have to bat at #3 and i think atm that's too high for any of them, but we should defintieyl try one of them at the #4 spot or at least move shakib to #4 and push one of them to #5.

shakib isn't such a bad option for #4 as long as he keeps a cool head, he went through a period recently where he just tried to smash every ball as soon as he came to the crease but he showed a bit more maturity with his 87 and 100 in the test match and the recent one-day innings he tried to get his eye before taking off.

shuvo should be in the team, he's as good as any other specialist bowler we're going to get and he's got better batting than the others (enam, razzak, saqlain etc).

fishyguy
February 28, 2010, 09:36 PM
Dhiman Chosh was pretty amazing as a keeper. He never said anything behind the stumps but from what I remember he never messed up at all. Rahim should just concentrate on his batting. Although he may turn out to be a crappy fielder. See what happened when Kamran Akmal dropped Hussey 3 times of Kaneria, Pakistan lost.

Sohel
February 28, 2010, 09:53 PM
As I've posted before:

1. GoBoy at number 4 as specialist bat in tests and ODIs.

2. Dhiman at number 7 or 8 in ODIs and T20Is as WK.

3. Shahin as WK in tests, batting as a Pilot-like tailender who can hold the fort if need be.

Ashraf-FTP
February 28, 2010, 09:59 PM
Dhiman in as a keeper. Mushy as a batsman, Zunaid out, either Ash or Aftab or SN. Mushy #4 bat, Dhiman #7.

godzilla
February 28, 2010, 10:00 PM
I don't see why we can't bring in someone like Dhiman immediately. I doubt there is disagreement over his keeping abilities and he can give you 15-20 with the bat. Thats no worse than what we're getting from Aftab and Z at the moment. Without the gloves, there's no excuse for Siddons to not promote Mushy up the order.

At this rate, it does not seem like a bad idea to bring back Dhiman in the team. To be honest, Aftab and Junaide are just occupying two places in the team. If dhiman comes back, we can finaly let Musky take the #3 or 4 for the batting line up. IMO. Dhiman can't do any worst then those 2 bone heads ...
Selectors should give it a thought ...

al-Sagar
February 28, 2010, 10:24 PM
I believe the fan side of you is talking here...Unless you were joking and none of us got it... YOu cant be serious that Mushfique is the best keeper we have. He is the worst keeper we ever had.. Anamul/Pavel/Shaheen/Mithun are all way better than him. Those guys are more natural in WK space. Again Mushfique is a better batsman than Imrul, Zunaed, Aftab, Ashraful..... but keeping wise he is way down the pipe. And there is no disagreement there even amongst his avid fans like myself..

ok, i have not seen pavel or shahin. saw anamull and mithun. mithun looked the better keeper. in the SA games gold team mithun kept not anamul, cause mithun was better than anamul. and if u saw mithun in thos t20's missed atleast two-three dismissal every match either catch or stumping. plus what i saw was even sometimes he was not catching the ball cleanly. shahin kept in the practice match and had a horrible match. pavel is more a batsman then keeper.

onething in bd where batsman are not easy with spinning ball, it also tough for keepers. and when batsmen get edges it become tougher. some of the edges that flies past are very tough.

well i am not a fan of mushfiks keeping or batting. but i havent so far seen a better keeper to suggest take mushfiqs gloves and give it to him

Ajfar
February 28, 2010, 10:27 PM
shob Asif bhai er dosh, ekta ball block korle mathai tuila nachen.

Gowza
February 28, 2010, 10:51 PM
ok, i have not seen pavel or shahin. saw anamull and mithun. mithun looked the better keeper. in the SA games gold team mithun kept not anamul, cause mithun was better than anamul. and if u saw mithun in thos t20's missed atleast two-three dismissal every match either catch or stumping. plus what i saw was even sometimes he was not catching the ball cleanly. shahin kept in the practice match and had a horrible match. pavel is more a batsman then keeper.

onething in bd where batsman are not easy with spinning ball, it also tough for keepers. and when batsmen get edges it become tougher. some of the edges that flies past are very tough.

well i am not a fan of mushfiks keeping or batting. but i havent so far seen a better keeper to suggest take mushfiqs gloves and give it to him


have you not see dhiman play? because dhiman at least was a far better keeper, i haven't seen him since that australia tour before the ICL but back then he was far and away a better keeper than mushy.

Ajfar
February 28, 2010, 10:53 PM
Had dhiman stayed with the team and not left for ICL, who knows maybe his batting would have improved by now, I guess we will never find out. we really need to have a back up wicket keeper, and that back up wicket keeper should be mushy. why was pavel brought in to the squad a few series ago, and no match nothing the guy gets dropped. i don't get these stupid moves from our management.

Gowza
February 28, 2010, 11:11 PM
Had dhiman stayed with the team and not left for ICL, who knows maybe his batting would have improved by now, I guess we will never find out. we really need to have a back up wicket keeper, and that back up wicket keeper should be mushy. why was pavel brought in to the squad a few series ago, and no match nothing the guy gets dropped. i don't get these stupid moves from our management.

where would mushy be if dhiman had stayed with the team? dhiman may have been given the gloves in test cricket and mushy either played as a batsman or dropped completely. things are how they are, we'll never know what could have been.

al-Sagar
February 28, 2010, 11:43 PM
where would mushy be if dhiman had stayed with the team? dhiman may have been given the gloves in test cricket and mushy either played as a batsman or dropped completely. things are how they are, we'll never know what could have been.

i have already told my view about dhiman before. here i was just comparing him with the rest.

keeping wise mushy is still the best. dhiman is the only one close or just better than him (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showpost.php?p=1095910&postcount=20)

bujhee kom
March 1, 2010, 12:04 AM
Mushfiquer-er failure ebong catch dropping-er pore ami khoob mentally bhenge porechi bhais and apas!

auntu
March 1, 2010, 12:23 AM
mushfiquer-er failure ebong catch dropping-er pore ami khoob mentally bhenge porechi bhais and apas!
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M.H.Rubel
March 1, 2010, 04:53 AM
Dhiman in as a keeper. Mushy as a batsman, Zunaid out, either Ash or Aftab or SN. Mushy #4 bat, Dhiman #7.

I do support u cent percent.Mushy as a batsman giving 30 runs but during keeping daily Mushy is missing one dismissal per day which is costing atleast 40 runs on an average.Its better to drop Junaid bring Dhiman.Mushy at #4 specialist batsman come 1st slip fileer.
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inspyr9
March 1, 2010, 05:28 AM
I do support u cent percent.Mushy as a batsman giving 30 runs but during keeping daily Mushy is missing one dismissal per day which is costing atleast 40 runs on an average.Its better to drop Junaid bring Dhiman.Mushy at #4 specialist batsman come 1st slip fileer.

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i agree. i wish us fans could pick the team at least once a year. there should be an option. i really wanna know kaar gobor matha theke this idea came about including zunayed and aftab? I mean u didnt see this coming that they r gonna be out in single digits?

nahaz
March 1, 2010, 06:54 AM
If you do not think there is a better Wicketkeeper in the country than Mushfique, we should really stop playing. Keeping isn't that hard, surely you can find one decent keeper...Mushfiq wouldn't get in Afghanistan as wicketkeeper.

Dhiman was amazing in Australi when Bangladesh last toured here...take him, he definitely has the ability. It might take him 2-3 matches, but he'll be our version of Gilchrist keeping wise, and Shafiul No.2 battingwise. I prefer that to a keeper whoocan't catch. He's worse than Kamran Akmal, and neither of them should be in any international or first class team as keeper.

Mushfique should only be judged as a batsman and reserve keeper. His selection into an XI should be only based on his batting, and as a batsman. Can I make it any clearer? Those who still whinge about Dhiman and ICL, go live under your rock.

Tiger Manc
March 1, 2010, 09:44 AM
I haven't seen any of the other wicketkeepers in action, but from what I've been hearing only Dhiman and Saghir have better wicketkeeping skills than Mushy and neither are good with the bat. There batting record isn't that good and I'm not sure if it's worth bringing in a specialist wicketkeeper and sacrificing another player.

smashyboy
March 1, 2010, 10:00 AM
Only the last series everyone was going gaga over him. Now everyone wants him sacked. If the new guy sucks then there will be a thread for "we want mushfiq". You guys are looking for the perfect team that does everything perfectly. No team is perfect in the world.

Eshen
March 1, 2010, 01:20 PM
Rahim vows better show (http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=128287)

"I have batted well in the last few series, but I'm having a few problems in keeping," admitted Mushfiqur during practice yesterday at the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium in Mirpur ahead of the crucial second one-dayer at the same venue today.

"I have made a few mistakes at very crucial times which may have cost the team dear. But these things happen in cricket. I'm trying to get over this bad patch," said the diminutive wicketkeeper.

Coach Jamie Siddons pointed out the Bangladesh vice-captain's mental state while keeping but was hopeful that Mushfiqur would bounce back.

"Mushfiqur takes a lot of stress when he is keeping. Probably the pressure of the team not doing well gets on him.

"He has gone through that before in batting and has overcome it. I'm sure he will overcome this bad patch with the keeping. He just needs a bit more confidence when keeping. But he's the best keeper around," said Siddons.

NKVD
March 1, 2010, 10:26 PM
You guys are looking for the perfect team that does everything perfectly. No team is perfect in the world.

Well, you have atleast made a perfect statement here.

Unfortunately, because of reasons you have stated, few will understand you here.

NKVD
March 1, 2010, 10:29 PM
I haven't seen any of the other wicketkeepers in action, but from what I've been hearing only Dhiman and Saghir have better wicketkeeping skills than Mushy and neither are good with the bat. There batting record isn't that good and I'm not sure if it's worth bringing in a specialist wicketkeeper and sacrificing another player.

This is indeed a tricky subject.

Dhiman's keeping was reeeaaaalllyyyy good in Australia, and his batting was not reaaaallllyyy bad.

I love Mushfique - our desher bari are quite close.

But I wish he kept like Dhiman.

Also, Siddons can work on Dhiman's batting skills.

What will keep Dhiman out of our team is Mushy's upward batting progression.

I think I saw somewhere that he has really averaged well over the past year (skewed by WI ? ).

Murad
March 1, 2010, 10:33 PM
But he's the best keeper around," said Siddons.

Crap!

yaseer
March 1, 2010, 11:14 PM
Relief Mushfiq from WK duties. We are loosing matches for him.

Let him perform only as a batsman. He is now good enough to be there as a batsman only. If he cannot make it as a batsman, drop him. I think he has the thing in him to be considered as a specialist batsman in the team.

Zobair
March 1, 2010, 11:48 PM
Siddons brought up an interesting point, something I have suspected for long....that Mushfiq is being distracted by other aspects of his team's performance on the field. One can see he is very involved with the field settings and perhaps a tad too much. He is still learning the art of keeping and so needs to give his full attention to that. I have seen Dhoni miss some real dollies in the recent past and I would think some of it has to do with him being distracted with his captaincy duties. Perhaps, Mushfiq should be relieved of VC duties and told to focus on his keeping for the next little while. In due time, once he has wicket-keeping down pat, he can take on additional duties on the field.

Ajfar
March 1, 2010, 11:59 PM
where would mushy be if dhiman had stayed with the team? dhiman may have been given the gloves in test cricket and mushy either played as a batsman or dropped completely. things are how they are, we'll never know what could have been.

well Dhiman got a chance during the OZ tour. and he looked good out there with the gloves but not with the bats. If he could continue his form with the glove i don't see why he couldn't stay in the team. What I was trying to say was if he didn't leave he would have been around the coach, so siddon would have gotten some chance to work with him. and who knows maybe his batting would have clicked. but you are right no point looking back.

Gowza
March 2, 2010, 12:06 AM
well Dhiman got a chance during the OZ tour. and he looked good out there with the gloves but not with the bats. If he could continue his form with the glove i don't see why he couldn't stay in the team. What I was trying to say was if he didn't leave he would have been around the coach, so siddon would have gotten some chance to work with him. and who knows maybe his batting would have clicked. but you are right no point looking back.

but then mushy may have been dropped from the squad and then not become the batsman he's so far become. i was watching some ICL highlights and even the IDL commentators mention that dhiman is a really good keeper, dhiman was a world class keeper and hopefuly he still is. as far as batting goes i agree, more time with the natioanl team could have turned him into a better batsmen, he had decent domestic stats before he went to ICL but they've been ruined since his return.

mona
March 2, 2010, 12:07 AM
Crap!

He said that to give Mushy some confidence.

Baundule
March 2, 2010, 04:04 AM
I think, Mushy has some jack behind the scene. Pilot was a world class wk and his place in the team was for granted. He was doing well with the bat, too. And suddenly Mushfiq was drafted in the side at an age of 15/16. The logic was the grooming of young blood. What happened next is a fairy tale. He replaced Pilot from the world cup team. The told reason was that the team management wanted a better batsman. Statswise Pilot was better though. (He averaged something like 41 in the precceding year) That way, the management dumped the best wicket keeper of our cricket history.

And now Mushfiq is considered the second most important player in the team. Shakib, Mushfiq and Tamim are considered as the nucleus!

I think, the management will not take another wicket keeper very soon, no matter how badly Mushfiq is doing. Loosing the wk job will put more pressure on his batting to perform and it will not be easy to retain his place as a batsman.

Tiger Manc
March 2, 2010, 04:38 AM
I think, Mushy has some jack behind the scene. Pilot was a world class wk and his place in the team was for granted. He was doing well with the bat, too. And suddenly Mushfiq was drafted in the side at an age of 15/16. The logic was the grooming of young blood. What happened next is a fairy tale. He replaced Pilot from the world cup team. The told reason was that the team management wanted a better batsman. Statswise Pilot was better though. (He averaged something like 41 in the precceding year) That way, the management dumped the best wicket keeper of our cricket history.

And now Mushfiq is considered the second most important player in the team. Shakib, Mushfiq and Tamim are considered as the nucleus!

I think, the management will not take another wicket keeper very soon, no matter how badly Mushfiq is doing. Loosing the wk job will put more pressure on his batting to perform and it will not be easy to retain his place as a batsman.


I disagree, I think relieving him of his wking duties will improve his batting average, particularly in Tests where he can come up the order. It's difficult to spend 100-150 overs behind the stumps and then trying to concentrate while batting also. It takes a lot out of someone mentally and physically. The only problem is there is no one out there who is better than him with the gloves and good enough as a batsman to contribute some runs.

Baundule
March 2, 2010, 05:42 AM
I disagree, I think relieving him of his wking duties will improve his batting average, particularly in Tests where he can come up the order. It's difficult to spend 100-150 overs behind the stumps and then trying to concentrate while batting also. It takes a lot out of someone mentally and physically. The only problem is there is no one out there who is better than him with the gloves and good enough as a batsman to contribute some runs.

If you follow the discussion in this thread, you'll find that there are better players with the gloves. The thing about his batting is not supported that much by stats (although I like his attitude during the batting and like you I also believe that he will improve playing as a specialist batsman).

The sad story of our batting is that there are not much differences (5-10 runs in avg.) between the performances of the top order and the tail enders. The batsmen average in mid 20s and the tailenders just below 20. So, the wicket keeper actually does not contribute much in the scoring. A missed catch weigh more than scoring 5-10 runs more.

Pilot was dumped for no reason; but even Dhiman is not as bad with the bat as many of you think. You can see his innings list http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/56208.html?class=2;template=results;type=allround; view=match

He had to bat against the bowling attacks of SA, Pak and Aus, the strongest of the world. Against Ireland he could bat only once at no. 10 to remain unbeaten on 2*. Within this very limited opportunity (12 innings), his

15* against SA was the 2nd highest
27 against Pak was the 3rd highest
18* (of 11 deliveries) against Pak was the 5th highest
29 against Pak was the 4th highest (maxm was 37 by Riyadh)
30 against Aus was the highest (2nd best was Junaed's 21)

score in the BD innings.

Add to the fact that he batted at #7 six times, at #8 thrice, #9 twice and #10 once. Mushfiq usually bats higher in the order.

If he is not discriminated because of his ex-connection with the ICL, there is no reason to dump him.

One World
March 2, 2010, 06:22 AM
Batted well today, but fans will be counting the misfields now (hope none).

All the best.

yaseer
March 2, 2010, 06:28 AM
Batted well today, but fans will be counting the misfields now (hope none).

All the best.

Considering his consistency of dropping catch/stumping every match, there is going to be some drop chances. Hope that does not cost us.

Can Mushfiq become inconsistent behind the stumps today?

simon
March 2, 2010, 06:30 AM
Anyway,thanks Broad!

Baundule
March 2, 2010, 06:32 AM
Considering his consistency of dropping catch/stumping every match, there is going to be some drop chances. Hope that does not cost us.

Can Mushfiq become inconsistent behind the stumps today?
I wish him all the very best. His good performance behind the stump today can win us the match.

Anyway,thanks Broad!
why? (did not watch the full match)

Tiger Manc
March 2, 2010, 06:33 AM
If you follow the discussion in this thread, you'll find that there are better players with the gloves. The thing about his batting is not supported that much by stats (although I like his attitude during the batting and like you I also believe that he will improve playing as a specialist batsman).

The sad story of our batting is that there are not much differences (5-10 runs in avg.) between the performances of the top order and the tail enders. The batsmen average in mid 20s and the tailenders just below 20. So, the wicket keeper actually does not contribute much in the scoring. A missed catch weigh more than scoring 5-10 runs more.

Pilot was dumped for no reason; but even Dhiman is not as bad with the bat as many of you think. You can see his innings list http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/56208.html?class=2;template=results;type=allround; view=match

He had to bat against the bowling attacks of SA, Pak and Aus, the strongest of the world. Against Ireland he could bat only once at no. 10 to remain unbeaten on 2*. Within this very limited opportunity (12 innings), his

15* against SA was the 2nd highest
27 against Pak was the 3rd highest
18* (of 11 deliveries) against Pak was the 5th highest
29 against Pak was the 4th highest (maxm was 37 by Riyadh)
30 against Aus was the highest (2nd best was Junaed's 21)

score in the BD innings.

Add to the fact that he batted at #7 six times, at #8 thrice, #9 twice and #10 once. Mushfiq usually bats higher in the order.

If he is not discriminated because of his ex-connection with the ICL, there is no reason to dump him.

And if you follow what I said then you will understand what I mean. I'll give you a clue, the key word is 'AND'.

Nadim
March 2, 2010, 07:05 AM
Mushy dropped one in the 1st over:head::hairpull:

Baundule
March 2, 2010, 07:05 AM
And if you follow what I said then you will understand what I mean. I'll give you a clue, the key word is 'AND'.

I got the AND already. :)
My reply was also based on that. All I showed is that Dhiman (e.g.) is not so bad as a batsman that we have to take a batsman as the wk, who is allowed to miss 4/5 chances per match.

Mushy dropped one in the 1st over:head::hairpull:
And here we go. :(
Kies weather goes next ball, caught by Imrul. :)

Nadim
March 2, 2010, 07:06 AM
Lucky mushy......KisWetter gone in the next ball:D

IanW
March 2, 2010, 07:35 AM
Bat him at three, make someone else the keeper.

Me, I think Mushy will get more runs than any two batsmen whose names starts with A.

Tintin
March 2, 2010, 07:58 AM
but then mushy may have been dropped from the squad and then not become the batsman he's so far become. i was watching some ICL highlights and even the IDL commentators mention that dhiman is a really good keeper, dhiman was a world class keeper and hopefuly he still is. as far as batting goes i agree, more time with the natioanl team could have turned him into a better batsmen, he had decent domestic stats before he went to ICL but they've been ruined since his return.

I am a fan of Dhiman mainly because of his keeping in the ICL. He took a incrdible leg side catch, which we wouldn't have considered as a chance had Mushfiq been the keeper, and one or two great stumpings.

layperson
March 2, 2010, 08:46 AM
The midget almost dropped cook !!!!! Thank god he got it at the second attempt. He is the worst WK I have seen since I started watching cricket back in 1992. He is such an eye sore. Its painful to see him drop catches and miss stumpings regularly. Rahim the keeper needs to go and if he cannot hold on to his place as a batsmen he needs to go from the team altogether. @@@@@@

Tiger Manc
March 3, 2010, 12:28 PM
I can't wait to find out how Saghir performs against England. He's the leading wicketkeeper in the NCL with 27 catches and 1 stumping and a decent batting average of 32.92 with 3 50s.