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betaar
March 2, 2010, 02:13 PM
I know he brought us back in the game today but only to throw everything away. I can excuse a captain’s performance with the bat and ball but I cannot let go stupidity when it comes to decision making. The decision of using Shafiul at that juncture of the game was wrong in so many ways that I don’t know where to start.
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Ok, first of all, he didn’t give the ball back to a bowler (Mahmudullah) who just took a wicket giving away 3 runs. In cricket it’s a carnal sin to not give the ball back to a bowler at any stage who just took a wicket and is full of confidence. It would’ve been understandable if Mahmudullah gave away 10-12 runs for the wicket he took, but he didn’t. Is there anything he doesn’t like about Mahmudullah……is this why that poor guy doesn’t get enough chances in most of the matches to bowl his full quota? <o:p></o:p>
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If Shakib thought Mahmudullah doesn’t like bowling with the field up, he should’ve at least brought on another spinner who would be an automatic choice given the pitch condition and the way Eng batsmen were playing. He had Nayeem and Shuvo to bowl if needed but what was his motive in bringing a pace bowler of Shafiul’s caliber with not much experience to bowl at the death? As erratic as Rubel is, even he would’ve been a better choice because of his pace and reverse swing. Where was Mushy the VC? And whatever happened to the senior leadership team that was supposed to help the captain out? Are they not needed anymore because Ash is no longer the captain?<o:p></o:p>
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I know Shakib is leading from the front with his performance…..but I must say his bad decisions are spoiling all his and the team’s hard work.

I know a lot of you are blaming the umpire's decisions but if we cannot make good decisions ourselves and control our own destiny then we don't deserve to win....period.

BD-Shardul
March 2, 2010, 02:19 PM
Yep, I have noticed that Shakib doesn't use MUllah much for bowling although in home conditions Mullah is not that bad. Also MUllah bowled well in New Zealand in the only test we played when given chances.

Equinox
March 2, 2010, 02:22 PM
He was pretty good but he lost it in the end.

Tiger Manc
March 2, 2010, 02:24 PM
The strange thing about the penultimate over was the fact that Shafiul obviously couldn't have the last over, Razzak and Shakib had used up their overs so who was he going to give the last over to? Rubel!? He's hopeless in the death overs. And a spinner shouldn't be used in the last over. He should saved Shafiul for the last over.

Nadim
March 2, 2010, 02:24 PM
we have to live with it. There is none that can be better than shakib atm. Hopefully he will learn as the time goes on.
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Tiger Manc
March 2, 2010, 02:28 PM
When the pressure was on England at 108-4, why did he spread the field? He should've had more close fielders to stop the singles. England were getting the runs with ease, it didn't matter that they needed 6 an over or couldn't get a boundary, all they had to do was knock it in the gap and they would get a cheap single. Shakib needs to create pressure by having close fielders. He needs to be more aggressive and back his bowlers up with attacking field settings. If they had to go over the top to score runs, it creates more catching opportunites and increases the possibility of stumpings.

Beamer
March 2, 2010, 02:33 PM
His captaincy is inconsistent like every aspect of Bangladeshi cricketers. Some sessions, or days, he is good and some other times, not so good. He will get better.

Ananna
March 2, 2010, 02:43 PM
When the pressure was on England at 108-4, why did he spread the field? He should've had more close fielders to stop the singles. England were getting the runs with ease, it didn't matter that they needed 6 an over or couldn't get a boundary, all they had to do was knock it in the gap and they would get a cheap single. Shakib needs to create pressure by having close fielders. He needs to be more aggressive and back his bowlers up with attacking field settings. If they had to go over the top to score runs, it creates more catching opportunites and increases the possibility of stumpings.

He always does like that, even in the test. It happened in the last game also. When we scored 228, it was obvious that in order for us to win we had to take all the wickets. So he should have given all out. instead he was very defensive time to time, which was very frustrating to me. Why he doest learn from other captains? Didnt he see how Dhoni, vettori and Cook set the field even when they were under pressure? Untill 2 months ago I had the feeling that Sakib was a very good captain. Unfortunately, now I think otherwise. Moreover, the report in the press about Mashrafee incident also points finger to Sakib also. I hope he is not arrogant.

betaar
March 2, 2010, 02:57 PM
He always does like that, even in the test. It happened in the last game also. When we scored 228, it was obvious that in order for us to win we had to take all the wickets. So he should have given all out. instead he was very defensive time to time, which was very frustrating to me. Why he doest learn from other captains? Didnt he see how Dhoni, vettori and Cook set the field even when they were under pressure? Untill 2 months ago I had the feeling that Sakib was a very good captain. Unfortunately, now I think otherwise. Moreover, the report in the press about Mashrafee incident also points finger to Sakib also. I hope he is not arrogant.

I know it’s easy for us to say what to do or what not to do sitting in front of the TV or laptop and what not but you cannot help when someone gets basics wrong. I was pretty happy with his innovative, well innovative for a BD captain, bowling changes in Zim but since the Zim and WI series he’s lacked the same standard he set for himself. I guess he gets overwhelmed by the sheer quality these so called elite teams bring in a game where he tends to get bogged down with the same sort of mentality that was prevalent in the captain’s of our previous generations.
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ialbd
March 2, 2010, 02:59 PM
he panics in the end (and age/experience is to be blamed). I see a confused look in Shakib's face when the last powerplay or death overs come...

betaar
March 2, 2010, 03:02 PM
he panics in the end (and age/experience is to be blamed). I see a confused look in Shakib's face when the last powerplay or death overs come...

That's when Mushy or others should come in and help. Where were they?

skhondoker
March 2, 2010, 03:03 PM
i think that is the best we got as far as temperament and maturity is concerned....i think all players are respectful of him also

HereWeGo
March 2, 2010, 03:08 PM
This was Shafiul's previous over...I dont understand why forumers are complaining

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</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Morgan, FOUR, to pin-drop silence from the crowd, Morgan smashes this back down the ground for four, top shot

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</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Morgan, no run, well bowled, yorker length and bang on the stumps, Morgan can only dig it out

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</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Morgan, 1 run, nicely done from Shafiul again, massive pressure on him with the field up, lands another yorker and Morgan can only squeeze it out on to the leg side for another single

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</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Tredwell, no run, excellent bowling, really high quality stuff, on off stump, Tredwell can't get it away and pressure building

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</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Tredwell, 2 runs, good bowling and excellent stuff from Tredwell too, angling this ball from just outside off stump down to third man for a lung-busting couple

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</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Tredwell, no run, slower ball to finish, which takes some guts, and Shafiul lands it well, Tredwell can't do much with that. Excellent finish to the over
http://www.cricinfo.com/bdeshveng2010/engine/current/match/426421.html?bowler=51377;innings=2;view=commentary
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Ananna
March 2, 2010, 03:10 PM
Another thing over the last few matches, we were never able to take batting powerplay at the right time excpet in one game against india, when we secrewed by by loosing few wickets. Sakib should be more aggresive.

The_Yorker
March 2, 2010, 03:13 PM
Certainly we lost the game due to Shakib's poor judgement at the end. So far his judgement has been good, way better than Ash, but today he messed it up. A well deseving game was lost due to his messed up thinking! First mistake was not to play Shuvo for more than 3 overs, and the 2nd was to let Shafiul play at the end. I hope he will not make this kind of mistakes again.

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 03:24 PM
Betaar bhai : who do you reckon ought to be the captain instead ?

Mushfiq or Tamim ?

I think BD should have a 10 man playing team, with a sitting captain. We have 15 kutee ppl now to find that person from. I am sure we will end up finding the best captain ever.

Actually, if we just look within Bangla cricket, we might find that person.

betaar
March 2, 2010, 03:33 PM
This was Shafiul's previous over...I dont understand why forumers are complaining

<TABLE class=commsTable style="WIDTH: 488px"><TBODY><TR><TD align=right width=30>46.1




</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Morgan, FOUR, to pin-drop silence from the crowd, Morgan smashes this back down the ground for four, top shot




</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right width=30>46.2




</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Morgan, no run, well bowled, yorker length and bang on the stumps, Morgan can only dig it out




</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right width=30>46.3




</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Morgan, 1 run, nicely done from Shafiul again, massive pressure on him with the field up, lands another yorker and Morgan can only squeeze it out on to the leg side for another single




</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right width=30>46.4




</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Tredwell, no run, excellent bowling, really high quality stuff, on off stump, Tredwell can't get it away and pressure building




</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right width=30>46.5




</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Tredwell, 2 runs, good bowling and excellent stuff from Tredwell too, angling this ball from just outside off stump down to third man for a lung-busting couple




</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right width=30>46.6




</TD><TD width="100%">Shafiul Islam to Tredwell, no run, slower ball to finish, which takes some guts, and Shafiul lands it well, Tredwell can't do much with that. Excellent finish to the over
http://www.cricinfo.com/bdeshveng2010/engine/current/match/426421.html?bowler=51377;innings=2;view=commentary



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We are not complaining about what Shafiul did in that over rather what Mahmudullah could’ve done. Yes, there’s no guaranty that Mahmudullah would not get hit for a six but still no body could blame Shakib for bringing a bowler who just took a wkt in his last over. And just because Shafiul gave away only 7 runs in that over doesn’t mean that it was not a bad decision. When the Eng batsmen were not playing the spinners well in last 4-5 overs and lost 3 quick wickets in subsequent overs, in what cricketing sense bringing in a pace bowler like Shafiul on slowish wicket was a good decision? Everyone knows on a slow surface the faster you bowl the easier it is to hit unless you are a master of variations or bowl like Tim Southee/ Umar Gul. Look what that over did……opened up the flood gate and even Razaak wasn’t sparred who I believe was also guilty of bowling faster than needed at that time.

betaar
March 2, 2010, 03:38 PM
Betaar bhai : who do you reckon ought to be the captain instead ?

Mushfiq or Tamim ?

I think BD should have a 10 man playing team, with a sitting captain. We have 15 kutee ppl now to find that person from. I am sure we will end up finding the best captain ever.

Actually, if we just look within Bangla cricket, we might find that person.

No body is better than Shakib in our team and that's the issue. But that doesn't mean he's barred from criticism. He made a basic mistake and we are discussing it.....

Beamer
March 2, 2010, 03:38 PM
Betaar bhai : who do you reckon ought to be the captain instead ?

Mushfiq or Tamim ?

I think BD should have a 10 man playing team, with a sitting captain. We have 15 kutee ppl now to find that person from. I am sure we will end up finding the best captain ever.

Actually, if we just look within Bangla cricket, we might find that person.

I nominate reyme, with his head set, a red flag in his back pocket for challenge, pacing the sidelines with an army of asst coaches.

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 03:43 PM
No body is better than Shakib in our team and that's the issue. But that doesn't mean he's barred from criticism. He made a basic mistake and we are discussing it.....


Too bad that Shakib is our best. But you definitely r correct.

I am now trying to put myself in Shakib's shoes - do you think there was something there that would/should have prompted him to use someone else...barring our knowledge off hindsight ?

I am just trying to make myself tactically more astute from your discussion, so that I can get more involved in the game when it is in progress.

Great one - for that matter.

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 03:44 PM
I nominate reyme, with his head set, a red flag in his back pocket for challenge, pacing the sidelines with an army of asst coaches.

In that case, I second.

We'll make Siddons his Water boy.

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 03:48 PM
I nominate reyme, with his head set, a red flag in his back pocket for challenge, pacing the sidelines with an army of asst coaches.

Not to mention, a plethora of gps assisted field setting gadgets and a batsmen's pulse reading pulso-meter. The pulso-meter will give info on how much a batsman is in discomfort when facing a type of bowler.

Obviously, some of us can just figure that out by looking.

Tigers_eye
March 2, 2010, 03:50 PM
Shakib did the right thing. I hope he does it again. Do not listen to the naysayers. To them the other side would always be green.

"Could've" diya kono labh nai. We saw what our spinners got in the dying overs. Heck Shakib himself got beat up one time not long ago.

Finally had he brought in Shuvo and shuvo got the treatment the same naysayers would blame Shakib for bringing in a rookie debutdant in the final overs. Damned bothways cause the naysayers duty is criticize.

Nadim
March 2, 2010, 03:52 PM
Shakib ke dush diya luv nai.Sob dush oi shala Rod sucker:mad:

WarWolf
March 2, 2010, 03:54 PM
Top post Mijan bhai.

On the other hand we must not forget that the captain is a human being too. When you see so many decisions going against you, it's really hard to think what to do. Frustration must come inevitably.

Beamer
March 2, 2010, 03:56 PM
Shafi is a young guy but poised. He is also one of the pacers who can vary his pace, something you must do for death overs. We have to develop pacers who wants to and can bowl in death overs. Shafi lost today, but he learn to do his job and be better at it. Sooner or later, we have to find that guy who is willing to bowl the last overs. As T_E said, it could have been any other bowler, and then we would have said why didn't he bring Shafi? To tell you the truth, it wouldn't have mattered. They had a set batsman sitting on hundred. Any of our guys in simmilar situation would have got the win as well.

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 04:01 PM
Good to see that many of you outright disagree with the criticism being put on Shakib.

So all hope is not lost. He may actually turn out to be a great captain.

Nafi
March 2, 2010, 04:01 PM
Shafiul should have bowled around the wicket, full and well wide outside of off-stump, with a packed off-side field.

Thats what Kulasakera did, and scoring against him was impossible

Tigers_eye
March 2, 2010, 04:07 PM
Shafiul should have bowled around the wicket, full and well wide outside of off-stump, with a packed off-side field.

Thats what Kulasakera did, and scoring against him was impossible
Now this is something I would like Shafiul do in future games. may be watch videos and make sure the field settings are right and which area to bowl at. Death bowling is an art. Rana Naved, Gul to some extent has mastered it. Mashrafe on the other hand has no clue.

AsifTheManRahman
March 2, 2010, 04:13 PM
we have to live with it. There is none that can be better than shakib atm. Hopefully he will learn as the time goes on.

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Indeed. The kid's 22 and has the task of learning on the job and leading one of the weakest teams in the world on his shoulder. He's the best we have and he will get better.

AsifTheManRahman
March 2, 2010, 04:15 PM
Shakib did the right thing. I hope he does it again. Do not listen to the naysayers. To them the other side would always be green.

"Could've" diya kono labh nai. We saw what our spinners got in the dying overs. Heck Shakib himself got beat up one time not long ago.

Finally had he brought in Shuvo and shuvo got the treatment the same naysayers would blame Shakib for bringing in a rookie debutdant in the final overs. Damned bothways cause the naysayers duty is criticize.
I thought so too. The spinners would have been expensive as Morgan was going for the kill. Any spinner would. With Shafiul, it could go either way. Unfortunately, it wasn't our way that it went today.

AsifTheManRahman
March 2, 2010, 04:16 PM
Shafi is a young guy but poised. He is also one of the pacers who can vary his pace, something you must do for death overs. We have to develop pacers who wants to and can bowl in death overs. Shafi lost today, but he learn to do his job and be better at it. Sooner or later, we have to find that guy who is willing to bowl the last overs. As T_E said, it could have been any other bowler, and then we would have said why didn't he bring Shafi? To tell you the truth, it wouldn't have mattered. They had a set batsman sitting on hundred. Any of our guys in simmilar situation would have got the win as well.
Indeed indeed Beamer bhai. Indeed indeed.

al Furqaan
March 2, 2010, 04:28 PM
Shakib did the right thing. I hope he does it again. Do not listen to the naysayers. To them the other side would always be green.

"Could've" diya kono labh nai. We saw what our spinners got in the dying overs. Heck Shakib himself got beat up one time not long ago.

Finally had he brought in Shuvo and shuvo got the treatment the same naysayers would blame Shakib for bringing in a rookie debutdant in the final overs. Damned bothways cause the naysayers duty is criticize.

in this case, he was right. shafi had bowled very well at the death in NZ...just lost it today. can't blame the captain.

but perhaps shuvo should have bowled 3-4 overs at riyad's expense and that would have built a lot more pressure.

we should have scored 270, and maybe 280. at any rate, umpires robbed us, no matter what our regional idiot neighbors might fantasize about.

Morpheous
March 2, 2010, 04:36 PM
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Here is the summary

Shakib and Jamie Siddons is about to put "THEIR" team and Mashrafee is not in their plan. For Some reason Jamie Siddons dont like Mash and Shakib also supports coach. They both thinks Mashrafee is not fit enough to play but none of them had the guts to go to him and tell him on his face he is not selected for second ODI. Basically Mashrafee feels very isolated and neglected in the team now. Thats the reason he left team. Board Officials called him after second odi and talked him to come back, however they found out Shakib dont want him in the team. Shakib Al Hasan was not available for comment.

I cannot believe this is happening in our beloved BD team. Power Struggle and Grouping is gonna make us and look us like Pakinstanis soon............unreal

Kana-Baba
March 2, 2010, 04:37 PM
Bhaijaan, OFF Jaan.

People like to find out conspiracy theory in everything! The decision of bringing pacer was solely made by him, i saw him talking to VC Rahim. So stop blame game. Saquib has got both quality and commending personality to lead the team from the front. So let him rule. We need a strong man like him as leader. পুতু পুতু স্বভাবের অধিনায়ক চাই না।

Shobha
March 2, 2010, 04:37 PM
Well during the death overs shakib kept on going over to mushy and talking strategies, so obviously the decision to send shafi in to bowl was both shakib and rahim's brains/intellegence combined together:hairpull:

What i dont understand is why didnt he let shovo bowl a few more!!!!:mad:

Murad
March 2, 2010, 04:39 PM
The field setting wasn't right in the 2nd half of hte game. Too many easy singles.

And in the death bowling, I think he should have given the ball to Mahmudullah. He was bowling so well.

Kana-Baba
March 2, 2010, 04:42 PM
all those fuzz about saquib not wanting mash in the team make no sense. as a captain he should have an opinion about the team. he has given that based on mash's fitness. what's wrong with that? how did saquib exercised irregularities? did he made issue of anything that is not realated with teams performance? okay, pal, why the mohaska then?


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Tigers_eye
March 2, 2010, 04:43 PM
in this case, he was right. shafi had bowled very well at the death in NZ...just lost it today.
Actually in the previous five balls he just gave away 3 runs. There wasn't enough runs on board. I mean run a ball with two overs remaining is very hard to defend when you have a batsmen who is set on 90s.

but perhaps shuvo should have bowled 3-4 overs at riyad's expense and that would have built a lot more pressure.
Now this is something we can all talk about. Even few of Naeem's over as well.

we should have scored 270, and maybe 280. at any rate, umpires robbed us, no matter what our regional idiot neighbors might fantasize about.
This was a sad day, for me. We lost the game on the plumb not given. Hopefully the players recover and fight harder in the next one. They know they can do this.

Rifat
March 2, 2010, 04:48 PM
I support Shakib's decision all the way :) He did just fine!

Zeeshan
March 2, 2010, 05:21 PM
Whatever blunders Shakib might've made as a captain was invaluably compensated from his bowling. Let's not forget that. There's helluva pressure on this young man's shoulders.

roaring tigerz
March 2, 2010, 05:22 PM
Shakib's captaincy today was inventive and proactive. We lost the game today because we ran into a batsman who played the innings of his life. We also did not bowl well enough to sutain the pressure once we were in the ascendency. I feel like we lost the game during Prior and Morgan's partnership. The team did incredibly well to take all those wickets and bring us back into the game when the run rate dipped below 6 in the last few overs.

We just don't have enough seasoned performers to sustain pressure and finish teams off once they are on the mat. It happened on numerous occasions before and it happened again today. Riyad bowled beautifully today but both him and Nayeem are essentially part timers and would have been taken to the cleaners during the powerplays. I don't think there were any automatic choices for the last two overs besides Shakib himserlf and Razzak. Since they were bowled out it really was a toss up. I liked the fact that Shakib showed his faith in his young fast bowler. Shafiul has never bowled in such a pressure situation before and it showed. But I cannot fault Shakib for his decision.

Regarding Mashrafe, I would pause before making a judgement based on hearsay. But even if things panned out the way the papers said they did, Mash should grow a pair and stop being a drama queen. Lets get on with the game and prove your critics on the field. He is still an integral member of the team. But he might not be paraded around like a king anymore. If he performs like the Mash we all know he will shortly regain his place at the top of the totum pole.

Ajfar
March 2, 2010, 05:33 PM
I bet had Shakib bowled razzak during those 2 overs, the same people would have complained why didn't he save himself for the power play overs, he was doing so well. I knew going in to the power play over as long as Morgan was out there, it didn't matter who was bowling he would have cleared the field. Shaiful's full tosses helped him a little more, but with the fielders up and Morgan over 100, 25 runs or so wasn't going to be too much for them.

betaar
March 2, 2010, 05:39 PM
Shafi is a young guy but poised. He is also one of the pacers who can vary his pace, something you must do for death overs. We have to develop pacers who wants to and can bowl in death overs. Shafi lost today, but he learn to do his job and be better at it. Sooner or later, we have to find that guy who is willing to bowl the last overs. As T_E said, it could have been any other bowler, and then we would have said why didn't he bring Shafi? To tell you the truth, it wouldn't have mattered. They had a set batsman sitting on hundred. Any of our guys in simmilar situation would have got the win as well.

So you think on the job training to win future match for the price of losing the current one was a good idea?

Shakib did the right thing. I hope he does it again. Do not listen to the naysayers. To them the other side would always be green.

"Could've" diya kono labh nai. We saw what our spinners got in the dying overs. Heck Shakib himself got beat up one time not long ago.

Finally had he brought in Shuvo and shuvo got the treatment the same naysayers would blame Shakib for bringing in a rookie debutdant in the final overs. Damned bothways cause the naysayers duty is criticize.

Since you categorized me as a naysayer, I must tell you to go back and read my posts. Mahmudullah may well gave away the same amount of runs like Shafiul but that would still not be a bad decision since he just took a wicket. I don’t want to question your cricketing sense as I know you have a pretty good one but I do wonder how you can call that a good decision.

Giving Mahmuduall over # 47<SUP>th</SUP> and then Razzak 48<SUP>th</SUP> would’ve definitely given Shakib the justification to use a pacer (whether it was Shafiul or Rubel) had they gone for runs. If not giving the ball back to a wicket taking bowler is the sign of a good captain and people supporting them are categorized optimist then I would rather not be part of that group.

betaar
March 2, 2010, 05:43 PM
Whatever blunders Shakib might've made as a captain was invaluably compensated from his bowling. Let's not forget that. There's helluva pressure on this young man's shoulders.

That's exactly why i said he's brought us back in the game only to give it away. I am definitely the biggest fan of Shakib but not criticizing his performance as a player but his decisions lately have been rather poor.

Murad
March 2, 2010, 05:50 PM
Shafiul is a good bowler but he is missing a experienced bowler in the other side.

itsrumman
March 2, 2010, 06:22 PM
When the pressure was on England at 108-4, why did he spread the field? He should've had more close fielders to stop the singles. England were getting the runs with ease, it didn't matter that they needed 6 an over or couldn't get a boundary, all they had to do was knock it in the gap and they would get a cheap single. Shakib needs to create pressure by having close fielders. He needs to be more aggressive and back his bowlers up with attacking field settings. If they had to go over the top to score runs, it creates more catching opportunites and increases the possibility of stumpings.

I felt exactly the same.And I noticed this problem before as well.same thing happened in another game against India when Saqib allowed Virat Kohli to score casual runs in long off and long on..

beshideshi
March 2, 2010, 06:30 PM
Shakib's captaincy was more than alright in my views. At the middle stage he should have blocked the easy single to long on. Which may have cost us 5-10 runs
But other than that, i can not disagree with anything he did. As Tiger Manc is saying, Shakib did have 5-6 fielder inside the ring at that stage, but the English batters were smart enough to still find the gap.
And about Shafiul's last over, he has bowled superbly in death overs recently. Who knew this day he would be smacked all around?

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 06:34 PM
Shafi did not have much of a protection on the leg side or on boundary. Shakib was expecting a miracle out of him the way the field was set up. I can't blame Shafi for what happened.

al-Sagar
March 2, 2010, 10:11 PM
he is still 22...... he has bowling to do.... he has batting to do..... so its a tough ask and i think he is learning and he will improve.

shakib very rarely had to captain in situation like these before but now as he is experiencing these things he will get better.

yaseer
March 2, 2010, 10:22 PM
I agree with the thread openner. Sakib has to take some blame for yesterday's loss as he was poor as captain. It is not that bowling Riyad or Shuvo instead of Shafi would have won the match. We may still have lost. But bringing on Shafi on that time where spinners did all the damage still remains a bad decision.

His bowling changes throughout the match was not good either. He brought Nayeem in the attack in a wrong time of the match and he did this twice. Nayeem should not be bowling inside 10 overs, instead Sakib should have bowled there. He also over-bowled Nayeem where Riyad was clearly bowling better.

Shuvo should have been brought in early (probably right after the fall of 4th wicket), and should have given a longer spell.

If he thinks going totally unconventional way is going to bring him success, then he is wrong. He has to learn and understand the conventional way of changing bowlers first, before trying to break the method. Right now it seems if he going with Trial and Error method. Calling bowlers for 1/2 overs to see how it goes and he has no clue whatsoever what he is doing.

wiseshah
March 2, 2010, 10:53 PM
heard sakib is playing nasty politics with mashrafe. if thats true, we are with mashrafe.

Zeeshan
March 2, 2010, 10:57 PM
heard sakib is playing nasty politics with mashrafe. if thats true, we are with mashrafe.

where did you hear that from? how unwarranted is that "fact"? smh

Ajfar
March 2, 2010, 11:02 PM
way too much speculation going on right now. I have yet to hear a statement from Mash or Shakib. one one newspaper claims that they have access to someone who knows the exact detail of the kamal and Mash's convo, i bet this is all bs. wasn't it yesterday shakib stuck up for all the players when kamal questioned their commitment. I won't believe any of this stuff until I hear it from them.

yaseer
March 2, 2010, 11:11 PM
way too much speculation going on right now. I have yet to hear a statement from Mash or Shakib. one one newspaper claims that they have access to someone who knows the exact detail of the kamal and Mash's convo, i bet this is all bs. wasn't it yesterday shakib stuck up for all the players when kamal questioned their commitment. I won't believe any of this stuff until I hear it from them.

Obviosuly something has happned. Otherwise Mashrafee would not have left the hotel. The fact that his mother is ill is just a "official cause". Also the statements of Mashrafee such as "team environement has changed" also point fingers that something wrong has happened with the management.

Jesus87
March 2, 2010, 11:12 PM
He wasn't bad, too much pressure on the poor kid. He is only learning and can only get better. Also he is the one who brought was back in the game. Shafiul bowled very well in NZ so he wanted to go with him. Morgan was in good touch and let's just end it here.

Ajfar
March 2, 2010, 11:16 PM
Obviosuly something has happned.

yup something did happen. All i'm saying is we shouldn't point fingers until we know the truth, and that is from the players themselves. the couple articles i read from my understanding one of the article was saying, Mash was just over reacting. The other one was saying Shakib and Siddon is showing off their power. which one are we suppose to believe.

sunny747
March 2, 2010, 11:43 PM
Shakib at least bringing us close.......we never had close match like this on a regular basis.....everything has steps..we will start to win someday...hang on .. :)

ahsan16
March 2, 2010, 11:44 PM
You must praise Morgan for his innings though he escaped from 2 plumbs. He was so cool and I was amazed when he didn't even raise the bat or something reaching the century. It was an awesome knock, he certainly took the game away from us.

mishu
March 2, 2010, 11:57 PM
Shakib's captaincy today was inventive and proactive. We lost the game today because we ran into a batsman who played the innings of his life. We also did not bowl well enough to sutain the pressure once we were in the ascendency. I feel like we lost the game during Prior and Morgan's partnership. The team did incredibly well to take all those wickets and bring us back into the game when the run rate dipped below 6 in the last few overs.

We just don't have enough seasoned performers to sustain pressure and finish teams off once they are on the mat. It happened on numerous occasions before and it happened again today. Riyad bowled beautifully today but both him and Nayeem are essentially part timers and would have been taken to the cleaners during the powerplays. I don't think there were any automatic choices for the last two overs besides Shakib himserlf and Razzak. Since they were bowled out it really was a toss up. I liked the fact that Shakib showed his faith in his young fast bowler. Shafiul has never bowled in such a pressure situation before and it showed. But I cannot fault Shakib for his decision.

Regarding Mashrafe, I would pause before making a judgement based on hearsay. But even if things panned out the way the papers said they did, Mash should grow a pair and stop being a drama queen. Lets get on with the game and prove your critics on the field. He is still an integral member of the team. But he might not be paraded around like a king anymore. If he performs like the Mash we all know he will shortly regain his place at the top of the totum pole.

agreee 100%%

Eshen
March 5, 2010, 12:13 AM
Once again, Shakib letting the pressure off England during middle overs by spreading out the field unnecessarily!

sadi
March 5, 2010, 12:48 AM
You gotta catch to win a match. Ei rokom catch drop korle kono captain kisu korte parbena.
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hbk619
March 5, 2010, 01:15 AM
Horrible captaincy in today's match. Shakib could use pace bowlers in 35-40 overs, then let spinners to bowl last 10 overs. 285 is the target... 50 runs extra, otherwise it could be 235

Murad
March 5, 2010, 01:16 AM
He didnt let Rubel bowl in the beginning of hte innnings but he let him bowl at the death overs.

he should have bowled the pacers during the middle overs and save himself and raj for the death overs. poor captaincy!

WarWolf
March 5, 2010, 01:29 AM
Captain doesn't have anything to do if your fielders continuously drop catches. I see no point in blaming him. He is speechless.

Tigers_eye
March 5, 2010, 01:43 AM
Captain doesn't have anything to do if your fielders continuously drop catches. I see no point in blaming him. He is speechless.
People don't understand what we have. He is the best batsman, best fielder, best bowler, best leader at the age of 23. Yet some are not happy!!!! You can never make them happy even if Ricky Ponting leads this team.

mishu
March 5, 2010, 01:44 AM
we should give captaincy to some of you brilliant folks,,, give him players who can do what he asks for and only than can you see good captaincy...

betaar
March 5, 2010, 01:54 AM
I guess today Shakib's captaincy was pretty good. I don't think he could've done much other than may be giving Rubel at least one more over after he went for 10 runs including a 5 wide. I do understand his intention of bringing him on so he can keep giving trouble to K'wetter. So what can he do.......we just need better pacers before Shakib will be able to maintain a good balance of bowling change.

WarWolf
March 12, 2010, 03:37 AM
My analysis on Shakib's captaincy....

He sometimes takes too much risks un-necessarily. We have seen him choosing fielding first on batting friendly wickets in test matches a couple of times. Also he did similar kind of mistake in ODI in tri-nation cup against India. All these things costs us the whole matches. Taking risks inside a match is understandable. But for deciding to taking bat or field, you should follow regular theories as a captain.


Some times too aggressive and some times too defensive on field setting. Some thing like Ash's batting mode. Not consistent enough.


Problems with bowling rotations. If you take a bowler in your team, you must give him enough overs.


A victim of over-confidence.

yaseer
March 12, 2010, 03:52 AM
My analysis on Shakib's captaincy....

He sometimes takes too much risks un-necessarily. We have seen him choosing fielding first on batting friendly wickets in test matches a couple of times. Also he did similar kind of mistake in ODI in tri-nation cup against India. All these things costs us the whole matches. Taking risks inside a match is understandable. But for deciding to taking bat or field, you should follow regular theories as a captain.


Some times too aggressive and some times too defensive on field setting. Some thing like Ash's batting mode. Not consistent enough.


Problems with bowling rotations. If you take a bowler in your team, you must give him enough overs.


A victim of over-confidence.


Nice analysis Sadi bhai.

To add to that -

Sakib likes to break the conventional rule and apply new things. It is good for a captain who implements new things on top of conventional way of doing things. Sakib does not have better understanding on conventional way, so when he applies his new ideas, he is failing to get result. He is pushing his thinking a bit too much without in depth knowledge of doing things.

WarWolf
March 12, 2010, 03:54 AM
Nice analysis Sadi bhai.

To add to that -

Sakib likes to break the conventional rule and apply new things. It is good for a captain who implements new things on top of conventional way of doing things. Sakib does not have better understanding on conventional way, so when he applies his new ideas, he is failing to get result. He is pushing his thinking a bit too much without in depth knowledge of doing things.

Gotta agree.

dolcevita
March 12, 2010, 04:14 AM
I blame the coach

wasi90lkv1
March 12, 2010, 04:22 AM
I blame the coach

is coach playing the game?

do not blame the coach, blame our players.

no coach can help bangladesh team.

Equinox
March 12, 2010, 04:24 AM
Nothing new.

fais
March 12, 2010, 04:28 AM
i dont understand - why dont the team discuss tactics before the match
and if they have and came up with fielding as their choice for winnign the toss then they are complete fools

Purna
March 12, 2010, 05:10 AM
No offence, but I don't really think that Shakib is fit for being the captain. Of course he is a world-class spinner, and he bats quite well, but he is very young and inexperienced for managing a whole team. Captaincy means a huge responsibility on a player and it should be handed over to a player who is capable of sustaing the pressure (for instance Abdur Razzak). Apparently, to me at least, it seems that Shakib's deterioration in batting and his hasty unwise decisions because of the tremendous pressure and his lack in experience. If the capatin is not changed BD will keep losing many opportunities (along with matches), just like today. It was really surprising that he decided to field first. Alaister Cook was also shocked. England is taking full advantage of BD's foolishness.

gunda
March 12, 2010, 06:58 AM
This baldy good for nothing fake machiavelli coach needs to go, I had enough with his bullsh1t philosophy! What kind of a dumb azz logic is to play for individual improvements?? What about team performence? Playing as a unit? Winning as a team? This guy doesn't want to win, His more concerned with little here and there performence while the whole world laughs at us.

I really had respect for shakib, But slowly am beginning to think this guy is a kid and has no brain, Come to think of it if siddons told him to jump of a cliff he would do it. He wouldn't have the common sense to realise that he can change his decision. Bet siddons told him to win toss and field.
Even a kid will change his prematch decision after seeing the weather and pitch. But still he chose to field. What kind of a yes man captain is that? Didn't god give him a free will?

This is so preposterous losing match after match and the main thing is how we lose. The players don't give a F about the country, They play for themselves as was evident on 2nd and 3rd ODI, Which i really believed we cud've won had'nt it been for riyadh and nayeem playing for thier 'individul performence' trying to boost their averages. Selfish cricketing. And its all siddons fault. Had he acted like a proper coach then these two morons wouldve played for the team instead for themselves.

Thats why i don't bother writting..Its all words..words..absoulutely means nothing. Nothing ever gets done. Stuck with being a bangali. Have to suffer so much imbarassment from bunch of spineless 12 year old school kids. Who the F gave them the privelage to represent my country?? Who gave them right to make Fun of my country? Doesn't the word privelage appear in the bangladeshi dictionary? If i was them i would feel shame to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

Look at KP he struggled against LA spin, Guy fixed it in this tour by practising and trying not to repeat it. Whereas look at our wonderkid ash guy can't even fix his for donkeys years. But the harsh truth is these pieces of junks don't care, Look what blocker did. He really showed us if you put 100% in to it you can achieve anything, Who wouldve thought he will make a century followed by a 50? That proves all these trash so called players don't put their 100% in a game. They play for themselves don't have any shame what so ever.

Quiet frankly am just sick of this crap. Pathetic decision cost us this 1st test even before it started. we will be fighting for the innings defeat. Is that improvement? Siddons hasn't done crap. Mostly all the crap comes out his mouth. If you let a traveler out into the wild eventually he will find his way, with siddons or without him these chickens would slowly walk. His just there for time pass. I wana see BCB sack this idiot. I don't wana see dazed machine transformer zunaid in the team, Don't wana see Aftab, Dont wana see can't hit six nayeem, Don't wana see dwarf mushy, Don't wana see traitor backstabber mash, Don't wana see chucker razzak.

My line up.
Tamim.
nafees
alok
ash
shakib
Riyad
dhiman
saiful
rubel
moshraff hossien

Robin/Farhad Hossain
If boost batting add Farhad, If to boost bowling add robin.

The rest should be trown in a dustbin. The next coach should concentrate on these core players above. This is the best BD line-up.
And while am at it fire that shadow burnt coal power ranger champak.

Slater582
March 12, 2010, 08:31 AM
No offence, but I don't really think that Shakib is fit for being the captain. Of course he is a world-class spinner, and he bats quite well, but he is very young and inexperienced for managing a whole team. Captaincy means a huge responsibility on a player and it should be handed over to a player who is capable of sustaing the pressure (for instance Abdur Razzak). Apparently, to me at least, it seems that Shakib's deterioration in batting and his hasty unwise decisions because of the tremendous pressure and his lack in experience. If the capatin is not changed BD will keep losing many opportunities (along with matches), just like today. It was really surprising that he decided to field first. Alaister Cook was also shocked. England is taking full advantage of BD's foolishness.

Yeah I noticed that as well. Cook looked a bit confused by the decison also.

auntu
March 12, 2010, 10:07 AM
Shakib is the best captain we have so far but lag behind from top class so far.

WarWolf
March 12, 2010, 10:13 AM
Shakib is the best captain we have so far but lag behind from top class so far.

I don't have any confusion on that. But what bugs me is he seems to be getting over confident.

DJ Sahastra
March 12, 2010, 10:16 AM
IMO, a rank bad decision. This english line-up seemed fragile and vulnerable. Now they have been handed a morale boost and confidence that will be hard to take away.

I suspect Sakib makes impulsive decisions. If it works, it has a making of a great captain. If it doesn't, you are inviting wrath. In his case, latter seems more plausible.

DJ Sahastra
March 12, 2010, 10:21 AM
Look at KP he struggled against LA spin, Guy fixed it in this tour by practising and trying not to repeat it. Whereas look at our wonderkid ash guy can't even fix his for donkeys years. But the harsh truth is these pieces of junks don't care, Look what blocker did. He really showed us if you put 100% in to it you can achieve anything, Who wouldve thought he will make a century followed by a 50? That proves all these trash so called players don't put their 100% in a game. They play for themselves don't have any shame what so ever.

It is called mental strength. I am surprised that even a dinner with Sachin didn't rub onto Ash. He could've learnt a lot on how a batsman can play with 40% efficiency and still score at > 100% the average.

I like Ash but personally i have a feeling he may be lost to the vagaries of time, like so many others. It is pity he can't score regular 30s.

auntu
March 12, 2010, 10:24 AM
I don't have any confusion on that. But what bugs me is he seems to getting over confident.
That's alarming.
That means he thinks that his thinking process is OK but which is not.

Ananna
March 12, 2010, 10:27 AM
is coach playing the game?

do not blame the coach, blame our players.

no coach can help bangladesh team.

What a team will do after winning the toss should be decided by the captain and coach. Hence, part of the blame goes to coach as well.

fais
March 12, 2010, 10:49 AM
shakib is a great person but one of his defects is his inability to motivate the players
the body language today was abysmal

WarWolf
March 12, 2010, 10:51 AM
[বাংলা]আরেকটা ভয়ের ব্যাপার হলো টিমের সবাই মনে হয় এই পারসোনাল এচিভমেন্ট কথাটাই শুধু ভাবছে। এই জন্য জয়ের খুব কাছে এসেও জেতার তাগিদটা দেখা যাছে না। ভাবছে আমি তো পারফরম করছি রেগুলারলি। মনে হছে ক্যাপ্টেনও এই মেন্টালিটি নিয়ে ঘুরছে।[/বাংলা]

wiseshah
March 12, 2010, 11:21 AM
something wrong in his captaincy. i knew he will take fielding today from the beginning. what u expect, he will do the opposite. he wanted to be dictator.he should shut his arrogance mouth and show some result in the field. we dont need any more personal achievement, all we need a draw or win--a combined team result

akabir77
March 12, 2010, 12:23 PM
the way he couldn't pick up how piterson was playing and didn't put a player to stop the run flow, was a disgrace... after tea siddon had to tell him where to put a filder for pit...

zainab
March 12, 2010, 05:35 PM
Sakib talks too much to the media. He shows no class in criticising his team mates publicly, this should be done behind closed doors and he should not wash dirty linen in pubic. Bashar and Ash never did this, they spoke in general.Sakib needs to stitch his lips and not to follow Siddon's example.
their loose talk backfires on them.He should listen to Dhoni who has never publicly criticized any one player, and other captains also who dont say much to the media.

simon
March 12, 2010, 06:35 PM
Amra khub beshi Sakib dpndnt hoye porechi,and that's not his mistake but ours.
It's not easy to lead a weak team.

Tehsin
March 12, 2010, 06:44 PM
When you have a new captain, you'd spend time and energy in working with him to work out the kinks. This was'nt his first mistake in picking bat/ball. Where is the coach;s input? Where is the input from senior players or even the team manager? Who is guiding this young lad? It's easy to let Shakib take all the blame when the blame can be easily shared by the team management, the curator, his teammates, himself.

nahaz
March 12, 2010, 06:52 PM
Can't believe he's making the same mistake after winning the toss so many times! He's surely cost us one game i the tri-series, and our captain not believing in our team really reflects very poorly on the team itself. And yes, surely, Siddons would have talked him into being more positive, unless he is also thinking the same thing.Sakib right now seems to be a puppet of 1) BCB President; and 2) Siddons.

He should trust his instincts more. He did not rise to the top cricketer of the country with attitude. Why change now on the successful formula that is self-belief?

Raynman
March 12, 2010, 09:28 PM
I was one of the big supporters of Shakib for captaincy due to the aggressive nature he showed in WI and then with ZIM. I'm completely shocked to see a complete defensive turn this year.

betaar
March 12, 2010, 10:04 PM
When I opened this thread I thought it was going to die soon with the hope that Shkib will turn things around with his decision making. Yes, he doesn't make all the decisions by himself, but it's apparent that he plays a big role in making them. I just hope we don't have an arrogant and over confident captain on our hand to deal with.....because to be honest, this team is too young to deal with one.

KnightBD
March 13, 2010, 12:52 AM
taking interesting decision once in a while is clever. but taking "interesting" decision all the time - is senseless.

Tigers_eye
March 13, 2010, 05:51 AM
So in placid pitch one and a half day gone, we manage to be 3 down in no time. What would have happened had we opted to bat first?

After answering the question what do you want to do with the selectors?

Now come back to Shakib decision to bowl first. :)

Naimul_Hd
March 13, 2010, 05:56 AM
we need Worlds Most Strict and Toughest Coach for our lazy, lethargic and aimless players first !!

alibangali
March 13, 2010, 06:11 AM
captaining a bunch of morons will no doudbt have an affect on even the coolest of minds. we knew captaincy would affect shaks performance so its not a suprise from my part.

BD-Shardul
March 13, 2010, 06:26 AM
Shakib-Siddons combo is the perfect example of [বাংলা]"যত বড় মুখ নয় তত বড় কথা"।[/বাংলা]

Beamer
March 13, 2010, 11:59 AM
So in placid pitch one and a half day gone, we manage to be 3 down in no time. What would have happened had we opted to bat first?

After answering the question what do you want to do with the selectors?

Now come back to Shakib decision to bowl first. :)

It is still a negative decision, and I suspect the reasoning behind the deference lies with the fact that it ensures ( they are hoping ) the match lasts until the fifth day, which has been parodied around as a barometer of success! Only when we bat first, as reason indicates that we should, and post 400-500 runs, which should stretch the match to the fifth day, then we can be truely happy. We must try to climb the mountain with our own feet. You know the baggage that mountaineers carry on their back, reaches the summit as well. We are basically declining to bat first in hopes that the opposition will consume enough time to stretch the match beyond fourth day ! I find it reprehensible. It is ok to criticize Sakib when he deserves it.