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WarWolf
March 2, 2010, 04:08 PM
Though most of the fans are really frustrated, I am happy with the way the team has been playing for last one year. We left those days far behind when we used to get out below 200 regularly and once in a while pushed the opponent on the wall. Now the very young team is playing good cricket almost every game. Due to lack of experience we are not able to finish the matches properly on a positive note. On the other hand, we must not forget that we are the biggest victim of poor umpiring for a long time.

Now look at the team.
We have a good opening pair now. Tamim is already a world class opener and Imrul is a good opener in Bangladeshi standard. I hope both of them will continue to improve.

Our No. 3 and No.4 positions are the places which hurt us most. We must find good mature batsmen for these two positions.

At No. 5, 6, 7 and 8 we have Shakib, Mushy, Riad and Nayeem. All of them are improving day by day and have all the signs to be top international standard players.

We have a good pace attack now with 3 pacers who can hit 140+ regularly. With Mash being fit and in form we will have a top pace attack.

Our spin dept is also a good one consisting of Shakib, Riyad, Naeem and Razzak.

All we need is to have two good matured batsmen at No.3 and 4 and we will be able to win matches regularly.

Tigers_eye
March 2, 2010, 04:14 PM
We must also understand this is cricket. Even the greats have bad days!! Gets out in single digit or in ducks!! We can't expect the boys to hit 50 in every match. With Maturity these close calls will soon become, "Yes" days!! The days of one day upset are soon diminishing. I like where the team is heading. There are still areas that the team needs to improve. Mainly strategy and implementing them. We still don't have an identity. Shakib is stamping one right now.

Go Bangladesh.

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 04:17 PM
Yes indeed.

GO BANGLADESH.

You are going to places.

The 3rd ODI may be an anti-climax. But that's good. It will get the boys to re-focus for the tests.

Nadim
March 2, 2010, 04:18 PM
Agree with you Warwolf vai......

-Need to find a batsman for number 3/4 be4 WC(even though mushy can take one of those place)
-Mushy must improve his keeping
-Rubel/Shafi need to handle properly
-Make shakib the permanent captain
- With all the respect to mash.....Mash shouldn't be call back until he lose weight and get 100% fit.
-Let Mash retire from Test cricket for good
-No ICLer's plz (we have seen, what they can do)
-And need few back up players, just incase

Beamer
March 2, 2010, 04:19 PM
Right on War Wolf.

WarWolf
March 2, 2010, 04:26 PM
We the fans have improved very rapidly in terms of expectations. Unfortunately the team needs a little bit more time to catch up in terms of performance. Give the team 1 year of time from now on, provided that they don't have to face dirty politics,they will start to deliver regularly inshallah. World Cup 2011 is the start of our new cricketing days.

al Furqaan
March 2, 2010, 04:30 PM
definitely...but i too am getting frustrated. a) we should have scored extra 10-15 runs b) umpires.

i am not going to complain about shakib's choice of death bowlers. that is part of the game, and he made the right decision, just didn't work out.

AsifTheManRahman
March 2, 2010, 04:33 PM
I didn't have a lot of expectations from the ODIs. I still expect us to lose 3 - 0, so anything better than that from here (from a rain-washed third ODI to a win) will be a bonus. In fact today's game was a bonus too.

Now in the Tests, I'd like to see a few centuries and maybe a draw, or even a tight enough fifth day finish where we don't quite make it.

WarWolf
March 2, 2010, 04:35 PM
The current team is the best in our cricketing history. In every game, at least 1/2 players scores 50+. Hundreds are not alien these days. We have a couple of bowlers who can take 3/4 wickets.

Most of the people are not happy with JS. But I am happy with him. His main problem is he is a simple guy, not a diplomat.

AsifTheManRahman
March 2, 2010, 04:35 PM
One positive is that the coach is finally learning the art of setting up a proper batting line-up. Zunaed dropped, Mushfiq moved up and...magic. Hopefully Aftab will be dropped soon too and more deserving players given the chance to showcase their skills.

Ashraf-FTP
March 2, 2010, 05:08 PM
We seriously need a death bowler. These seamers piss me off in the end overs. Its all about keeping your head cool in the end. But they do the opposite, throw full tosses which can be hit easily by using the pace of the ball and especially with the batting PP's usually in place. We need someone who can ball a mix of deliveries in the death. A fast one, mixed up with a yorker and then a slow one then a bouncer. We would have had a chance of winning if we had a bowler like that. I dont watch FC, but for people who do, do we have someone like that who is performing decent??

And I dont get all the fuss about 140k+. Whats the point of having someone bowl 140k+ wides?? I dont think there is any point in that. And Shahadat and Rubel (other than some flukes), thats all they do. I think Shafiul is a better prospect than them in line and length. Needs more experience. Its about time we bring in another experienced seamer into the team. And give these young guys some freedom to play in FC under good guidance. And not put pressure on them for international matches and media.

Roni_uk
March 2, 2010, 05:14 PM
ya just wait till the next match.

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 05:17 PM
Dropped catches, weak throws, keeping fumbles, no pace department what so ever - sorry, still not seeing any shape.

WarWolf
March 2, 2010, 05:19 PM
Dropped catches, week throws, keeping fumbles, no pace department what so ever - sorry, still not seeing any shape.

Yet we are competitive in almost every game, unlike before. Are not we?

bura
March 2, 2010, 05:20 PM
We seriously need a death bowler. These seamers piss me off in the end overs. Its all about keeping your head cool in the end. But they do the opposite, throw full tosses which can be hit easily by using the pace of the ball and especially with the batting PP's usually in place. We need someone who can ball a mix of deliveries in the death. A fast one, mixed up with a yorker and then a slow one then a bouncer. We would have had a chance of winning if we had a bowler like that. I dont watch FC, but for people who do, do we have someone like that who is performing decent??

And I dont get all the fuss about 140k+. Whats the point of having someone bowl 140k+ wides?? I dont think there is any point in that. And Shahadat and Rubel (other than some flukes), thats all they do. I think Shafiul is a better prospect than them in line and length. Needs more experience. Its about time we bring in another experienced seamer into the team. And give these young guys some freedom to play in FC under good guidance. And not put pressure on them for international matches and media.

I totally agree with Warwolf. But Mr. Sarapova and Rubel are not in the same league and never will be! Mr. S. has no brain, he is not willing to learn (or has no capability) and has an ego as big as Bangabondhu Stadium. While ruble with some variations of pace and experience can be deadly. You have to understand the power of wicket taking deliveries. All the express bowlers all over the world are costly.

And Shafiul is an excellent prospect.

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 05:21 PM
Yet we are competitive in almost every game, unlike before. Are not we?
On occasions, yes. But not every match. This team still have too many issues to regularly challenge G8 teams.

bura
March 2, 2010, 05:22 PM
Dropped catches, weak throws, keeping fumbles, no pace department what so ever - sorry, still not seeing any shape.

how about all the above and plus a 170/10 score and opposing team winning in 23 overs?;)

Ashraf-FTP
March 2, 2010, 05:22 PM
Dropped catches, weak throws, keeping fumbles, no pace department what so ever - sorry, still not seeing any shape.
Fielding- Like Harsha Bhogle said,the players need to play more physically active games and increase their fitness. Sports like soccer, rugby/football, swimming.

Keeping- this has been trouble since Pilot retired. Make pilot the keeping coach. I am sure he can find the perfect keeper like him. Keep Mushy as a batsman for #3.

I mentioned about pace depertment before. I do see a shape, but like before, players lose their focus too easily. So not sure how long this can hold up.

Ashraf-FTP
March 2, 2010, 05:23 PM
I totally agree with Warwolf. But Mr. Sarapova and Rubel are not in the same league and never will be! Mr. S. has no brain, he is not willing to learn (or has no capability) and has an ego as big as Bangabondhu Stadium. While ruble with some variations of pace and experience can be deadly. You have to understand the power of wicket taking deliveries. All the express bowlers all over the world are costly.

And Shafiul is an excellent prospect.
I agree bro. Shahadat is just a egofull "kid" from geram who thinks hes the best BD has got. And thinks bowling fast is all that matters.

All the express bowlers in the world are costly but they take wickets. Unlike our so called "express" who are not even express according to other international bowlers. BD "express" bowlers cant take wicket cause of line and length. And variation, not just fast balls way outside off stump.

WarWolf
March 2, 2010, 05:24 PM
On occasions, yes. But not every match. This team still have too many issues to regularly challenge G8 teams.

Give them another 1 year or so and see the outcome. The new generation is a lot more tougher in terms of all aspects of the game. We are no longer dependent of so-called Eid days.

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 05:26 PM
how about all the above and plus a 170/10 score and opposing team winning in 23 overs?;)
On pacer friendly pitches, that will happen too.

WarWolf
March 2, 2010, 05:28 PM
Make the pitches pacer friendly, that will happen too.

In the past, we used to get bundled regularly below 200 even on the batting favored tracks. Any way, I am not into any more argument. Everybody may have their own views.

bura
March 2, 2010, 05:29 PM
On pacer friendly pitches, that will happen too.

we did tour NZ recently.

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 05:30 PM
Give them another 1 year or so and see the outcome. The new generation is a lot more tougher in terms of all aspects of the game. We are no longer dependent of so-called Eid days.
Really?!!! So how many matches we have won so far, against G8, on non-Eid days?

Ashraf-FTP
March 2, 2010, 05:30 PM
we did tour NZ recently.
And failed terribly, to put put it in one word ;)

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 05:32 PM
we did tour NZ recently.
And you forgot the scores in first two ODIs?

bura
March 2, 2010, 05:33 PM
And failed terribly, to put put it in one word ;)

not really. Go back and search results of other teams in NZ, especially in Test. And go back and search when was the last time we scored nearly 700 runs outside Bangladesh.

bura
March 2, 2010, 05:34 PM
And you forgot the scores in first two ODIs?

and you forgot couple of hundreds and five fors? When did that last happened in Nz?

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 05:37 PM
and you forgot couple of hundreds and five fors? When did that last happened in Nz?
True, that was new. But then again some of the NZ pitches are much flatter now and NZ team is worse than I remember seeing them in this decade.

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 05:39 PM
BTW, I never tried to deny that some of the batsmen (especially Riyad and Tamim) have improved in last two years. But as a team, Bangladesh ODI side seamed to have gone backward.

bura
March 2, 2010, 05:40 PM
True, that was new. But then again some of the NZ pitches are much flatter now and NZ team is worse than I remember seeing them in this decade.

they still won against Aus! Point is this Nz team might not be as strong as Flemming's Nz but its not bad either. I would take consistent performance like we are doing these days over one happy go crazy win and 10 pathetic losses any day any time.

Rommel
March 2, 2010, 05:41 PM
So any chance Nasir gets to play in the 3rd ODI?

Ajfar
March 2, 2010, 05:41 PM
Dropped catches, weak throws, keeping fumbles, no pace department what so ever - sorry, still not seeing any shape.

Dropped catches, weak throw- well salauddin was out fielding coach, I thought he was suppose to be coming back? or did it read it wrong?

keeping fumbles- mushy can and will do what he is capable of doing, its up to the management to realize who's good and what, and use them appropriately. Unfortunately i don't see mushy becoming a world class wicket keeper over night, we really need to look at other option, we can at least give some one else a go and see what they have to offer.

pace department- we had a some what decent pace department and then it disappeared, literally disappeared. Mash- Injury, and don't get me started about his belly. Rasel- Injury, and not being used properly by the management. Robin- he is not even around to work with the coach, we have seen what he can offer, but someone's got to work with him to make something out of him. but how? management has no intention what so ever? Shahadat- well according to him its the coaches fault, whatever it is he seems lost thats for sure.

and that leaves us with Shaiful and Rubel- both combined don't even have 20 matches under their belt, and we are expecting them to lead our pace attack.

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 05:42 PM
they still won against Aus! Point is this Nz team might not be as strong as Flemming's Nz but its not bad either. I would take consistent performance like we are doing these days over one happy go crazy win and 10 pathetic losses any day any time.
That's your choice - to be happy with individual achievements. I am more concerned about the team as a whole.

bura
March 2, 2010, 05:43 PM
BTW, I never tried to deny that some of the batsmen (especially Riyad and Tamim) have improved in last two years. But as a team, Bangladesh ODI side seamed to have gone backward.

yes thats need to be sorted out. And thats what we all are looking for and some are expecting will happen soon.

First target, find a replacement of Aftab.
Second, target get the morons outs of BCB and don't let them get the disease of Pakistan

bura
March 2, 2010, 05:46 PM
That's your choice - to be happy with individual achievements. I am more concerned about the team as a whole.

believe me those inconsistent performances hurt us even more than doing good. Its never good to depend on a single person.

I am not happy with individual performances. I am saying we now have more persons to rely on, other than the one and only bl**dy fool.

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 05:52 PM
believe me those inconsistent performances hurt us even more than doing good. Its never good to depend on a single person.
It's not, I know that. What I am saying is - all those claims about the team have improved don't hold water. There may be some individual improvement here and there, but none of the batting, bowling, or the fielding side have improved enough to regularly throw challenge to stronger teams. Especially bowling and fielding have gone way too backward to compensate for any improvement in batting.

Ashraf-FTP
March 2, 2010, 05:53 PM
Mehh mehh. I shouldnt bother posting in BD section of BC. I love the rest of BC except this section. Emotions too high. Some people who just post in this section get too offensive. Thanks to Razab bro for closing the Rod Tucker thread. We really have to move on and not rip each other apart on here.

al Furqaan
March 2, 2010, 06:51 PM
Really?!!! So how many matches we have won so far, against G8, on non-Eid days?

there have been quite a number of games we would have won if not for umpiring decisions. india in 2007, today's match, a bunch of others i can't remember, not to mention all the other close games were we genuinely messed up...and then the test performances of last year or two.

i'm just as frustrated, especially when its beyond our control like umpiring, but at the same time, rome was built in a day, and the only cricket team to hit road running was Pakistan...and there history was totally different from ours...plus they may be naturally more gifted athletically than us.

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 06:56 PM
Asad, yes, Rome was not built in a day, but Rome would not be there at all if one building in the city was falling down when builders were working on another one.

Our current coaching staff is only concentrating on developing batsmen. Even then, there don't seem to be any strategy for them to follow how to handle different parts of an innings.

Ajfar
March 2, 2010, 07:00 PM
Our current coaching staff is only concentrating on developing batsmen. Even then, there don't seem to be any strategy for them to follow how to handle different parts of an innings.

This part I totally agree with, I understand that batting has always been one of our main concern, but that doesn't mean it should be our concern. I never read anything that our coach or coaching staff has to say about our bowling department, I don't like this. Miraz bhai is it possible for you to get a hold of Champaka and get his interview?

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 07:04 PM
BTW, we won matches in past even with bad umpires. Umpiring would be non-issue if our fielders held onto couple more catches or if batsmen scored 20 more runs.

beshideshi
March 2, 2010, 07:30 PM
the improvements are quite vivid. I would like to remind people about our wc07, we did win two games, but what about the others? We lost every other game miserably. And compared to that we are doing much better, we haven't been thoroughly outplayed by a team in recent times(barring 2-3 games). And given a year with the current bunch we will challenge big teams everyday.
On another note, did anyone notice shafi/rubel were as quick as, if not quicker than broad,bresnan. Which is another good sign, we never had a genuine quick attack before. Groomed properly these blokes will do wonders for BD
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Eshen
March 2, 2010, 07:38 PM
beshideshi, what's your definition of being out played?

Here is our results in last two years - http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/25.html?class=2;spanmax1=03+Mar+2010;spanmin1=03+M ar+2008;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team;v iew=results

On average, we lost matches against G7 by 5-6 wickets. We even lost 4 ODIs against Zimbabwe in the time period!

Rommel
March 2, 2010, 07:38 PM
Mehh mehh. I shouldnt bother posting in BD section of BC. I love the rest of BC except this section. Emotions too high. Some people who just post in this section get too offensive. Thanks to Razab bro for closing the Rod Tucker thread. We really have to move on and not rip each other apart on here.

what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. sure, these arguments may get out of hand at times, but we all want the same thing. Its nice to see points from each side as you can always learn more and more. Things can be boring if we all agree on the same stuff.

And about you not wanting to post in this section...if you can't handle the fire, get the f out of the kitchen!

ahms
March 2, 2010, 07:46 PM
Though most of the fans are really frustrated, I am happy with the way the team has been playing for last one year. We left those days far behind when we used to get out below 200 regularly and once in a while pushed the opponent on the wall. Now the very young team is playing good cricket almost every game. Due to lack of experience we are not able to finish the matches properly on a positive note. On the other hand, we must not forget that we are the biggest victim of poor umpiring for a long time.

Now look at the team.
We have a good opening pair now. Tamim is already a world class opener and Imrul is a good opener in Bangladeshi standard. I hope both of them will continue to improve.

Our No. 3 and No.4 positions are the places which hurt us most. We must find good mature batsmen for these two positions.

At No. 5, 6, 7 and 8 we have Shakib, Mushy, Riad and Nayeem. All of them are improving day by day and have all the signs to be top international standard players.

We have a good pace attack now with 3 pacers who can hit 140+ regularly. With Mash being fit and in form we will have a top pace attack.

Our spin dept is also a good one consisting of Shakib, Riyad, Naeem and Razzak.

All we need is to have two good matured batsmen at No.3 and 4 and we will be able to win matches regularly.

I agree with your thread title. Just that BD team needs to be at it all the time. WIN is ours Inshallah. People who screaming with frustration, creating silly thread and asking for change, needs chill out.

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 08:12 PM
And you forgot the scores in first two ODIs?

He did not. He just did not care. Those 2 scores included, only showed an UPWARD TREND.

bujhee kom
March 2, 2010, 08:15 PM
Go Bangladesh!!!
Go Strong Tigers!!! :flag:

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 08:17 PM
That's your choice - to be happy with individual achievements. I am more concerned about the team as a whole.

Ehsen - Winning and losing may be a binary form of life to you, but building the skill set to achieve a win requires a lot of partitioned improvements, that happen over time.

Most people understand that - that's why they focus on the building blocks.

We are all concerned with the team as a whole - but the only palpable variable associated with it is the final result.

You are essentially saying that you only care about a WIN, and nothing more.

I wish you were an Australian.

Correction: You should wish you were an Australian.

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 08:22 PM
It's not, I know that. What I am saying is - all those claims about the team have improved don't hold water. There may be some individual improvement here and there, but none of the batting, bowling, or the fielding side have improved enough to regularly throw challenge to stronger teams. Especially bowling and fielding have gone way too backward to compensate for any improvement in batting.

How has the bowling gone backward ?

Is it because Rafique has retired ?

Is it because Shakib has become a better bowler ?

Is it because Mash has a broken body now and is no longer in his prime ?

Is it because Razzak does not play anymore ?

Is it because Shahadat is no longer the Imran Khan of world bowling ?

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 08:24 PM
On occasions, yes. But not every match. This team still have too many issues to regularly challenge G8 teams.

Everybody agrees with you as it is a known fact.

bujhee kom
March 2, 2010, 08:26 PM
Bhais, ami khoob emotionally bhenge poresi!

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 08:26 PM
Really?!!! So how many matches we have won so far, against G8, on non-Eid days?

You are just proving everybodies point and hope with this self contradiction -

If there were no eid days in the past, and no one knew of a eid, how do you think you would have measured current performances against those ?

NKVD
March 2, 2010, 08:27 PM
Bhais, ami khoob emotionally bhenge poresi!

abaar, keno ?

If you are a student, consider these as the happiest times of your life.

Rubu
March 2, 2010, 08:36 PM
position wise:

1. tamim no question asked.
2. kayes, good enough for now until we find a better one.
3. mushy - gotta agree with amtr there
4. shakib - no question asked
5. mahmudullah - yeah, time for a promotion
6. naeem
7. still up for grab
8. shuvo for now, lets see how he does in the next 10 games
9. razzak, hope he does well
10. rubel
11. saiful

except for another batsman, (if a good one found push up the order), I also think team is forming up.

Eshen
March 2, 2010, 08:36 PM
^^ Why is this idiot trying so hard to pick a fight with me?!!!

(Not you Rubu, I mean the one posted before you in the thread)

yaseer
March 2, 2010, 08:41 PM
I disagree Warwolf bhai.

One competitive match, and we are in shape? We have been playing like this for two seasons now. Last year we won matches against SRI and NZ. What are our achievements with this "shaped" team so far? Some new individual performers taking over old ones, nothing more than that. What we actaully getting is more runs than previous generation but still not enough. If we cannot beat this under-strength England side, then I think we have not improved from last 2 years.

al Furqaan
March 2, 2010, 08:42 PM
BTW, we won matches in past even with bad umpires. Umpiring would be non-issue if our fielders held onto couple more catches or if batsmen scored 20 more runs.

i think the ODI landscape is changing...our highest score winning against G8 is 251 against RSA. nowadays we pile up 290, 280, 260, and lose. is our bowling that bad, or our batting is not up to par on flat wickets? its a combination of both, but at the same time, gone are the days when teams can defend 235-245 scores. even the top bowling attacks will struggle against non-minnows.

but, did you mean to say we won as virtue of bad calls going in our favor, or despite the bad calls? if its the latter, sure, we won, and thats good. but that can't make up for the fact that we'd have won an equal number of additional games with competent/unbiased umpires. tar por to ross taylor ar maccullum er churi/dakati to asay...

bura
March 2, 2010, 09:01 PM
beshideshi, what's your definition of being out played?

Here is our results in last two years - http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/25.html?class=2;spanmax1=03+Mar+2010;spanmin1=03+M ar+2008;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team;v iew=results

On average, we lost matches against G7 by 5-6 wickets. We even lost 4 ODIs against Zimbabwe in the time period!

lets look at the same data in a diff way ;)

Here is yr by by Batting record of BD against G8. Here avg is the team runs scored per wk by a BD batsman.

start Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L Ave RPO HS LS YearAscending
Bangladesh 4 0 4 0 0 0.00 25.62 4.03 249 87 2000 investigate this query
Bangladesh 14 0 13 0 1 0.00 17.56 3.71 226 76 2002 investigate this query
Bangladesh 19 0 18 0 1 0.00 17.43 3.74 244 76 2003 investigate this query
Bangladesh 15 1 14 0 0 0.07 17.92 3.80 257 86 2004 investigate this query
Bangladesh 9 1 8 0 0 0.12 23.58 4.27 250 108 2005 investigate this query
Bangladesh 8 1 7 0 0 0.14 20.13 4.06 265 118 2006 investigate this query
Bangladesh 15 2 13 0 0 0.15 19.29 3.98 251 93 2007 investigate this query
Bangladesh 22 1 21 0 0 0.04 20.31 4.19 285 74 2008 investigate this query
Bangladesh 5 4 1 0 0 4.00 28.26 4.85 276 152 2009 investigate this query
Bangladesh 9 0 9 0 0 0.00 30.33 4.90 296 190 2010 investigate this query

Definitely, our batting is improving in all the grounds pointed here.

Bowling is not as impressive though. This shows avg runs we have given away per wk.

start Team Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L Ave RPO HS LS YearAscending
Bangladesh 4 0 4 0 0 0.00 123.25 5.98 320 - 2000 investigate this query
Bangladesh 14 0 13 0 1 0.00 45.88 5.46 301 202 2002 investigate this query
Bangladesh 19 0 18 0 1 0.00 47.56 5.43 323 276 2003 investigate this query
Bangladesh 15 1 14 0 0 0.07 36.25 4.80 348 214 2004 investigate this query
Bangladesh 9 1 8 0 0 0.12 58.47 5.97 391 - 2005 investigate this query
Bangladesh 8 1 7 0 0 0.14 39.97 5.14 309 212 2006 investigate this query
Bangladesh 15 2 13 0 0 0.15 39.15 5.14 335 184 2007 investigate this query
Bangladesh 22 1 21 0 0 0.04 43.79 5.54 358 233 2008 investigate this query
Bangladesh 5 4 1 0 0 4.00 23.09 4.61 274 147 2009 investigate this query
Bangladesh 9 0 9 0 0 0.00 51.42 5.85 336 - 2010 investigate this query

2009 was the greatest of all (WI tour?). But 2010 is not great so far. I will wait till the end of 2010 though to conclude.

I don't want to pose excuses like we are lacking Mash, in form Raj.... and we playing on flat tracks these days etc... We definitely need more improvements on bowling for sure.

But, I am sure for test we are improving on both bowling and batting.

nannu
March 2, 2010, 09:29 PM
agree, i am happy with our team improving... need just 2 more good inform batsman..

specially at nr 3.. and we are ready for top 8

Haradhon
March 2, 2010, 09:38 PM
Even though England won the ODI series, I would still call today's ODI match the best performance against G-8 and if BD wins the 3rd ODI in style, with batters scoring several 50's and 30's and avoiding any top and middle order collapse, this ODI series would be our best performance.
I am happy with the progress the team is making and here is why:
Tamim: If he maintains his current form during the away series in England, I am sure he will be called one of the best openers in ODI. He is the most imporved player since Jamie Siddon became BD coach.
Imrul: He provides the necessary support to Tamim and holds the wicket when TI falls. I do not blame him for the 70+ dot balls.
Mushy: He rose up to the occassion today and prevented our top order from collapsing and consolidated the innings with Imrul at the right time. If he can play similar role in a couple of more instances, he should be considered our No. 3 or 4 batter.
Shakib: His 12-ball 14 was valuable; he has (as Ash once had) the capability to take a game away. Had he not fallen to Swann, we would have scored 300+. However, he made it up by bowling economically and taking 3 wickets
Mahmudullah & Naeem: Both of them are mentally superior to Ash, Aftab or Junaed. Imagine if we promoted Mushy-Mahmudullah up the order and played Aftad later, we could have scored 320. We do not need Aftab for power play because he brings both runs and top order collapse. We needed his stroke play after 35 overs and did not have any

Razzak: He performed today and took the vital wicket of KP. We need another spinner of his calibre. I have to watch the replay to judge Shuvo.

Here is the progress that I see BD has made: We score 200+ even when either the top or middle order collapses and score 240+ comfortably when there is no collapse. We can do it consistently against G-8 in home and away games

After losing the nail-bitter I was depressed during the first half of the day. After analyzing the proceedinsg of this morning with an unbiased mind, I think we are on the verge of changing G-8 to G-9.
I look forward to enjoying the 3rd ODI and 2 competitive tests.

In the "Mark My Words" thread I said, we will win 1 ODI and draw 1 test. I will stick to my words.

We are no longer "ordinary." Let Shewag eat his own words!

al-Sagar
March 2, 2010, 09:55 PM
i liked yesterdays combination

tamim- getting closer to being world class
imrul- he can make us competetive in games, but he cannot add the extra 20 runs needed to win games, good for now but we certainly need a replacement in future unless he adds some SR into his game.
NO3-place is up for grabs, some one who can rotate the strike
mushfiq-he showed he is capable of defending, stabilizing and then accelerating. should play no 4
shakib- this is his place
mahmudullah- not up than 6 and not below than 6
naeem- wish he could play up, but no vacancy
shuvo- good player to be at 8, and with some more experience he could be the steady 10 over 30-40 run bowler in the middle of innings
no 9
no 10
no 11

we 3 spots left for 3 bowlers, can be 2 pacers 1 spinner or 3 pacers. for odi's i think one of nazmul and a fit mashrafe should play. and also we should not play both our expensive newbies rubel (5.95) and shafiul (6.77) together. if we play a spinner abdur razzak is the choice.

but we need some backups who can give competettion. and also we must use the part timers naeem and mahumudullah carefully, because smedays they can be good but again somedays they will be hit all over the park. so we have to be careful about them

Haradhon
March 2, 2010, 10:03 PM
i liked yesterdays combination


NO3-place is up for grabs, some one who can rotate the strike
mushfiq-he showed he is capable of defending, stabilizing and then accelerating. should play no 4
shakib- this is his place


I think we should give Rokibul a chance at No. 3. I definitely do not want Aftab at No. 3 for the same reason that we laid off Ash. There is no reasons to lose a wicket early because that precipitates the collapse

yaseer
March 2, 2010, 10:32 PM
i think the ODI landscape is changing...our highest score winning against G8 is 251 against RSA. nowadays we pile up 290, 280, 260, and lose. is our bowling that bad, or our batting is not up to par on flat wickets? its a combination of both, but at the same time, gone are the days when teams can defend 235-245 scores. even the top bowling attacks will struggle against non-minnows.


That is a good point AF.

250+ score were competitive in ODI standard in past and we strugled to score 200 runs at that time. With inlusion of 20 overs Power-Play, 20/20 format bringing in much more stroke-makers, even flatter pitches - now around 300 is a competitive score in ODI format and we are scoring regular 200+. So, we were behind the standard in past, still we are behind the actual standard. Whatever improvement we are seeing statistically, it is because the game has changed. We have not been able to minimize the gap of standard with G8 teams.

bujhee kom
March 2, 2010, 11:55 PM
abaar, keno ?
If you are a student, consider these as the happiest times of your life.
Ji uncle, thik bolechen. Amar kintoo chokh die top top kore pani pore aar hau mau kore kaadte iccha kore amader teamer dhojo failure condition dekhe...ami amar study-te mon dite ekebarei partesi naa.....I have already turned into a true mental patient.

auntu
March 3, 2010, 01:47 AM
Though most of the fans are really frustrated, I am happy with the way the team has been playing for last one year. We left those days far behind when we used to get out below 200 regularly and once in a while pushed the opponent on the wall. Now the very young team is playing good cricket almost every game. Due to lack of experience we are not able to finish the matches properly on a positive note. On the other hand, we must not forget that we are the biggest victim of poor umpiring for a long time.

Now look at the team.
We have a good opening pair now. Tamim is already a world class opener and Imrul is a good opener in Bangladeshi standard. I hope both of them will continue to improve.

Our No. 3 and No.4 positions are the places which hurt us most. We must find good mature batsmen for these two positions.

At No. 5, 6, 7 and 8 we have Shakib, Mushy, Riad and Nayeem. All of them are improving day by day and have all the signs to be top international standard players.

We have a good pace attack now with 3 pacers who can hit 140+ regularly. With Mash being fit and in form we will have a top pace attack.

Our spin dept is also a good one consisting of Shakib, Riyad, Naeem and Razzak.

All we need is to have two good matured batsmen at No.3 and 4 and we will be able to win matches regularly.
Good matured analysis by Sadi bhai.
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একেবারে অভিজ্ঞতায় ঋদ্ধ। সাধু সাধু।

২য় ম্যাচ আরেকটি ব্যাপার প্রমান করলো যে, ভালো সিলেকশন কত জরুরী। মুশফিকের ৪ নম্বরে খেলানোর সার্থকতা সে ভালো মতোই প্রমান করেছে। আশাকরি সে সেখানে থিতু হবে।

আফতাবের ৩ নম্বরে খেলার আর কোন যুক্তি আমি খুজে পাচ্ছি না। যদি তার কোন ভালো রিপ্লেসমেন্ট নাই পাওয়া যায় তার স্থলে নাঈমকে এবং আফতাবকে ব্যাটিং অর্ডারের পিছনে নামিয়ে দেয়া উচিত। আফতাবকে দেখে মনে হচ্ছেও না যে সে লম্বা সময় নিয়ে ধরে ধরে ইনিংস খেলার মুডে আছে (কখনই ছিলো না)। তাই আফতাবকে ব্যাটিং পাওয়ার প্লেতে ব্যবহার করা যেতে পারে। আমার মনে হয় না এই মুহূর্তে এর কোন বিকল্প আমাদের হাতে আছে।

শুভ'র হাতে ভালো হিটিং ক্ষমতা আছে। ফিল্ডিং এ অসাধারণ। বোলিং এ মাত্র ৩ ওভার দেখেছি। অসাধারন কিছু মনে হয় নাই। আশাকরি উন্নতি করবে।

আব্দুর রাজ্জেকের কামব্যাকটা খুব দরকার ছিলো। সাকিবের একা উইকেট নিয়ে দলকে টেনে নেয়ার যোগ্য সাহচর্য আব্দুর রাজ্জাক ছাড়া আর কেউ দেয়ার নেই। মনে রাখা দরকার সে আমাদের অন্যতম সেরা ওয়ানডে বোলার।

মাশরাফীকে না খেলানোর সিদ্ধান্তটা খুব ভালো হয়েছে। আশাকরি তার সাথে সাকিব তথা টিম ম্যানেজমেন্টের দূরত্ত্ব কমে আসবে এবং মান-অভিমানের এই পালা বন্ধ হবে। এক্ষেত্রে বিসিবির অক্ষমতা দেখার মতো। তারা বিষয়টি সম্পর্কে জেনেছেন পত্রিকার মাধ্যমে! এই সকল তথাকথিত কর্মকর্তা কর্মের কর্তা নাকি কর্তার ইচ্ছায় কর্তা তা আর কতদিন চোখ চেয়ে সহ্য করতে হবে তা বোধকরি এক খোদাতালাই জানেন।

তবে ডেথ ওভারে আমাদের বোলারদের ব্লক হোলে বোলিং এর অক্ষমতা নিয়ে সত্যিকারের দুঃশ্চিতা থেকেই যাচ্ছে। আশাকরি চাম্পাকা এর থেকে পরিত্রাণের কোন উপায় বের করে ফেলতে কাজ করে যাচ্ছে এবং হয়তো শীঘ্রই আমরা এর সুফল দেখতে পাবো। (আশাবাদ দিয়ে শেষ করতে হয় বলে বলা আরকি)[/বাংলা]

FagunerAgun
March 3, 2010, 08:27 PM
Good thread Warwolf.
This is the last piece of the puzzle.

al Furqaan
March 3, 2010, 09:19 PM
That is a good point AF.

250+ score were competitive in ODI standard in past and we strugled to score 200 runs at that time. With inlusion of 20 overs Power-Play, 20/20 format bringing in much more stroke-makers, even flatter pitches - now around 300 is a competitive score in ODI format and we are scoring regular 200+. So, we were behind the standard in past, still we are behind the actual standard. Whatever improvement we are seeing statistically, it is because the game has changed. We have not been able to minimize the gap of standard with G8 teams.

i would not say that. i think have largely minimized the gap, and yet to bridge it. then we have cross the bridge before we can actually join the G7 or G8 on the other side.

in the past, a game where took 8 wickets and lost in the last several deliveries was rare. it was the odd game, and then we won another odd match out of every 10.

now, we are pushing the opposition or at least setting ourselves up to be in a spot of strength. poor bowling, dropped catches, shitty umpiring, questionable captaincy decisions, bad team management and selection...for whatever reason we're falling short. the batsmen have their brain farts, but are continuing improvements more often than not.

are we progressing?

well are opposing teams expecting a stroll in the park these days?

tiger_army
March 4, 2010, 04:14 AM
Good matured analysis by Sadi bhai.
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একেবারে অভিজ্ঞতায় ঋদ্ধ। সাধু সাধু।

২য় ম্যাচ আরেকটি ব্যাপার প্রমান করলো যে, ভালো সিলেকশন কত জরুরী। মুশফিকের ৪ নম্বরে খেলানোর সার্থকতা সে ভালো মতোই প্রমান করেছে। আশাকরি সে সেখানে থিতু হবে।

আফতাবের ৩ নম্বরে খেলার আর কোন যুক্তি আমি খুজে পাচ্ছি না। যদি তার কোন ভালো রিপ্লেসমেন্ট নাই পাওয়া যায় তার স্থলে নাঈমকে এবং আফতাবকে ব্যাটিং অর্ডারের পিছনে নামিয়ে দেয়া উচিত। আফতাবকে দেখে মনে হচ্ছেও না যে সে লম্বা সময় নিয়ে ধরে ধরে ইনিংস খেলার মুডে আছে (কখনই ছিলো না)। তাই আফতাবকে ব্যাটিং পাওয়ার প্লেতে ব্যবহার করা যেতে পারে। আমার মনে হয় না এই মুহূর্তে এর কোন বিকল্প আমাদের হাতে আছে।

শুভ'র হাতে ভালো হিটিং ক্ষমতা আছে। ফিল্ডিং এ অসাধারণ। বোলিং এ মাত্র ৩ ওভার দেখেছি। অসাধারন কিছু মনে হয় নাই। আশাকরি উন্নতি করবে।

আব্দুর রাজ্জেকের কামব্যাকটা খুব দরকার ছিলো। সাকিবের একা উইকেট নিয়ে দলকে টেনে নেয়ার যোগ্য সাহচর্য আব্দুর রাজ্জাক ছাড়া আর কেউ দেয়ার নেই। মনে রাখা দরকার সে আমাদের অন্যতম সেরা ওয়ানডে বোলার।

মাশরাফীকে না খেলানোর সিদ্ধান্তটা খুব ভালো হয়েছে। আশাকরি তার সাথে সাকিব তথা টিম ম্যানেজমেন্টের দূরত্ত্ব কমে আসবে এবং মান-অভিমানের এই পালা বন্ধ হবে। এক্ষেত্রে বিসিবির অক্ষমতা দেখার মতো। তারা বিষয়টি সম্পর্কে জেনেছেন পত্রিকার মাধ্যমে! এই সকল তথাকথিত কর্মকর্তা কর্মের কর্তা নাকি কর্তার ইচ্ছায় কর্তা তা আর কতদিন চোখ চেয়ে সহ্য করতে হবে তা বোধকরি এক খোদাতালাই জানেন।

তবে ডেথ ওভারে আমাদের বোলারদের ব্লক হোলে বোলিং এর অক্ষমতা নিয়ে সত্যিকারের দুঃশ্চিতা থেকেই যাচ্ছে। আশাকরি চাম্পাকা এর থেকে পরিত্রাণের কোন উপায় বের করে ফেলতে কাজ করে যাচ্ছে এবং হয়তো শীঘ্রই আমরা এর সুফল দেখতে পাবো। (আশাবাদ দিয়ে শেষ করতে হয় বলে বলা আরকি)[/বাংলা]

Well said....I dont mind loosing tomo game as well, but if we can learn our lesson from this series and BEAT ENGLAND IN WC that will be a perfect revenge...

Tiger Manc
March 5, 2010, 10:24 AM
I just feel we lack a big hitter towards the end of our innings. So many of the big teams have batsman who can hit big sixes to boost the run rate, yet whenever we try and hit a boundary it goes straight to the fielder. We seem to lack the strength to be able to hit a six. In today's match chasing 284 there was only one six. We need our #7 and #8 batsman to be big hitters with good strike rates.