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Tendulkar_Mcgrath
March 5, 2010, 07:15 PM
Bangladesh should not be supported the way we support them. Once upon a time there was a word that used to be told by every cricket expertise about Bangladesh cricket.The word was inexperience. Now what? English new players who have 2/3 matches experience are playing better than any of our batsman and bowler. How long we should gather this experience of losing. 1 win after 25/30 matches is not good enough to be a die-hard fan of our cricket team. I know that even though I am saying like this, i would be first one who will work all day on a Bangladesh cricket match and will be searching at website for live streaming or highlights. Why players are not caring the passion of fan?

They have less technique!?? No, They actually don't care. They play whimsically,and 1 Little-bit good performance after 5 consecutive bad performance even are good enough for staying in team. They know they are almost permanent and and we are permanent die hard fan even after their bad performance. Should we support like this b 4? or We should let them to earn our huge support by their performance??

nsd3
March 5, 2010, 08:22 PM
Focus is on developing the domestic infrastructure, Pitches, more Competition in the leagues etc. Output is expected to come in Int'l matches BD is playing. Both are not happening at the same pace. So patience with putting right focus on right place is what we should be looking for.

ahms
March 5, 2010, 08:29 PM
Bangladesh should not be supported the way we support them. Once upon a time there was a word that used to be told by every cricket expertise about Bangladesh cricket.The word was inexperience. Now what? English new players who have 2/3 matches experience are playing better than any of our batsman and bowler. How long we should gather this experience of losing. 1 win after 25/30 matches is not good enough to be a die-hard fan of our cricket team. I know that even though I am saying like this, i would be first one who will work all day on a Bangladesh cricket match and will be searching at website for live streaming or highlights. Why players are not caring the passion of fan?

They have less technique!?? No, They actually don't care. They play whimsically,and 1 Little-bit good performance after 5 consecutive bad performance even are good enough for staying in team. They know they are almost permanent and and we are permanent die hard fan even after their bad performance. Should we support like this b 4? or We should let them to earn our huge support by their performance??

Soon, BD fan lwill loose interest in BD cricket.

Gowza
March 5, 2010, 08:56 PM
Focus is on developing the domestic infrastructure, Pitches, more Competition in the leagues etc. Output is expected to come in Int'l matches BD is playing. Both are not happening at the same pace. So patience with putting right focus on right place is what we should be looking for.

totally, and this is where siddons opinion is really valid. basically the domestic infrastructure doesn't do much to develop players, so when they get to the natioanl team they're still raw. if the national team is full of raw players then the coaching staff have to focus on developing those players from the basics up and the problem with that is that 1) the players have been playing for years and it's hard to change what they're already doing by a large amount 2) it takes time to build a player.

australia is a consistently good team because in most cases the players picked up by the national team are already developed at least to the point where they can succeed as an average international player if not above average. BD players start out in the natioal team as below average international players and have to work up to it then go even further to get to an above average player.

the domestic level is where players should be built and developed, when they get to the national team if things need changing it should be just little tweaks here and there.

when players can't average 35+/40+ with the bat in domestic cricket how can they do it internationally (the national coaches would need years to get them to where they need to be), how can you expect the national team to score 300+ in ODIs and 400/500+ in tests when teams can't do it in domestic cricket? how can batsmen be ready if they face poor bowling domestically? how can bowlers be ready if they bowl to poor batsmen domestically?

the domestic cricket needs to get to a standard where players can learn their trade there and be ready for the national team when called up. one of the steps falls on siddons and his coaching staff, the current job of siddons should be to create a team of players who are good enough to keep out any domestic performers. if the national team can't perform then naturally we'll look for other options from the domestic system.

al-Sagar
March 5, 2010, 09:29 PM
when players can't average 35+/40+ with the bat in domestic cricket how can they do it internationally (the national coaches would need years to get them to where they need to be), how can you expect the national team to score 300+ in ODIs and 400/500+ in tests when teams can't do it in domestic cricket? how can batsmen be ready if they face poor bowling domestically? how can bowlers be ready if they bowl to poor batsmen domestically?

well oneday i was watching a program of Hrsha bhogle. there he was saying india has lots of players having average of 60,50,40 in domestic cricket. but what history says that when these players go to internation games, the 60 average batsman become 50 in test, the 50 average become 40, and the 40 average become 30. so there is a drop of 10 in average from domestic to test because of the level of quality in two arena

so you cant expect somebody who is averaging 35/40 in NCL to average 35/40 in test arena. the drop is 10 in test to indian dometic cricket. it should 15 to 20 in test to NCL.
so these 35-40 will average 20-25 in tests is natural.

we need players who can average 50+ in NCL then we can expect them to have an average of 35+ in tests

FagunerAgun
March 5, 2010, 09:40 PM
Soon, BD fan lwill loose interest in BD cricket.
agree. but then they , BCB guys, will be asking for more relief money.

kiriket
March 5, 2010, 09:49 PM
totally, and this is where siddons opinion is really valid. basically the domestic infrastructure doesn't do much to develop players, so when they get to the natioanl team they're still raw. if the national team is full of raw players then the coaching staff have to focus on developing those players from the basics up and the problem with that is that 1) the players have been playing for years and it's hard to change what they're already doing by a large amount 2) it takes time to build a player.

australia is a consistently good team because in most cases the players picked up by the national team are already developed at least to the point where they can succeed as an average international player if not above average. BD players start out in the natioal team as below average international players and have to work up to it then go even further to get to an above average player.

the domestic level is where players should be built and developed, when they get to the national team if things need changing it should be just little tweaks here and there.

when players can't average 35+/40+ with the bat in domestic cricket how can they do it internationally (the national coaches would need years to get them to where they need to be), how can you expect the national team to score 300+ in ODIs and 400/500+ in tests when teams can't do it in domestic cricket? how can batsmen be ready if they face poor bowling domestically? how can bowlers be ready if they bowl to poor batsmen domestically?

the domestic cricket needs to get to a standard where players can learn their trade there and be ready for the national team when called up. one of the steps falls on siddons and his coaching staff, the current job of siddons should be to create a team of players who are good enough to keep out any domestic performers. if the national team can't perform then naturally we'll look for other options from the domestic system.

I assume most of the posters in this thread are living outside and are hardly aware whats our priority. I live in Dhaka, there is no gas in the evening, no water in the noon and no electricity in 2/3 hours in any given day. the roads here are so broken, we can not even walk. Outside Dhaka, there are places where no electricity is available. for a padma bridge, we have to plan for 20 years and then it is still uncertain due to fund problem.

we are living in second worst livable city and one of the poorest countries in the world. Our economy is primitive. Infrastructure development needs money, and when in the North Bengal you have 85% ppl living under poverty line, you can be sure they care less about cricket.

Sponsoring is also not the solution. the die hard fans here only a handful of the country and we mostly don't provide any money and find alternatives (free buffering, alternative tricks to espn360 etc). Any broadcast of cricket is not beneficiary to the channels, Bangladeshis work hard all day, and they like to see drama serials in the nights, that's why those dramas are getting ads. Bangladesh has thousand of problems, trust me, cricket investment is the least of them.

Naimul_Hd
March 5, 2010, 10:45 PM
I assume most of the posters in this thread are living outside and are hardly aware whats our priority. I live in Dhaka, there is no gas in the evening, no water in the noon and no electricity in 2/3 hours in any given day. the roads here are so broken, we can not even walk. Outside Dhaka, there are places where no electricity is available. for a padma bridge, we have to plan for 20 years and then it is still uncertain due to fund problem.

we are living in second worst livable city and one of the poorest countries in the world. Our economy is primitive. Infrastructure development needs money, and when in the North Bengal you have 85% ppl living under poverty line, you can be sure they care less about cricket.

Sponsoring is also not the solution. the die hard fans here only a handful of the country and we mostly don't provide any money and find alternatives (free buffering, alternative tricks to espn360 etc). Any broadcast of cricket is not beneficiary to the channels, Bangladeshis work hard all day, and they like to see drama serials in the nights, that's why those dramas are getting ads. Bangladesh has thousand of problems, trust me, cricket investment is the least of them.

no doubt Bangladesh is full of problems. But amidst of all these problems, its Cricket which gave us some kind of recognition to the world, even though cricket playing nation is very small in number. Look at African Countries like keyna, Ethiopia etc. They are also facing similar kind of problems like us, despite of that they are also well known for their athletics sports.

tejkuni
March 5, 2010, 11:00 PM
...........The word was inexperience. Now what? English new players who have 2/3 matches experience are playing better than any of our batsman and bowler. ...............

They have experience playing in the strong domestic tournaments. Their teammates are experienced who take the pressure and guide them. As a cricket nation they are experienced. I strongly believe that we are going in the right direction.

Rifat_02
March 5, 2010, 11:33 PM
I assume most of the posters in this thread are living outside and are hardly aware whats our priority. I live in Dhaka, there is no gas in the evening, no water in the noon and no electricity in 2/3 hours in any given day. the roads here are so broken, we can not even walk. Outside Dhaka, there are places where no electricity is available. for a padma bridge, we have to plan for 20 years and then it is still uncertain due to fund problem.

we are living in second worst livable city and one of the poorest countries in the world. Our economy is primitive. Infrastructure development needs money, and when in the North Bengal you have 85% ppl living under poverty line, you can be sure they care less about cricket.

Sponsoring is also not the solution. the die hard fans here only a handful of the country and we mostly don't provide any money and find alternatives (free buffering, alternative tricks to espn360 etc). Any broadcast of cricket is not beneficiary to the channels, Bangladeshis work hard all day, and they like to see drama serials in the nights, that's why those dramas are getting ads. Bangladesh has thousand of problems, trust me, cricket investment is the least of them.

Wow, Nice postive outlook you have there, why dont you move out and live in some other country then?
Bangladesh is much better off than most African countries like Zimbabwe, Kenya and is recognized as a developing economy with good growth rate.

http://www.hottnez.com/the-10-poorest-countries-of-the-world/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita

Sri Lanka won a world cup with a war going on in their country, Zimbabwe won a lot of matches in the 90's and they are one of the top 10 poorest in the world. Infact i think India didnt win a series in Zim for a long time. Kenya reached semi finals of 2003 world cup. Countries like Ghana, Nigeria, Togo produce footballers that play in the best football leagues in the world.
Look at Afghanistan and how they moved from one of the lowest divisions in cricket to T20 world cup, we are not much worse off than these countries.

nura43
March 5, 2010, 11:36 PM
If domestic infrastructure is the problem then why BCB is not takig initiative to improve it? We all know that we don't have a strong first class structure. Then where is the problem in strengthening the FC structure? Every body knows about the problem but nobody bothers to solve the problem..............indeed reflects the true picture of the nation. Our cricket is going nowhere. In a few years Bangladesh cricket will be doomed like other sports. Look at zimbabwe.......only a few months back BD had a good tour against them. But I am sure if BD confronts zimbabwe now, they will loose in 2 matches out of 3. Zimbabwe won against the full strength Westindies yesterday.

deshifan
March 6, 2010, 12:02 AM
Ranking according to IMF report on per capita GDP of south asian nations

Bhutan - 104
Maldives - 111
Srilanka - 112
India - 128
Pakistan - 132
Bangladesh - 154
Burma - 161
Nepal - 162
Afghanistan - 171
Wow, Nice postive outlook you have there, why dont you move out and live in some other country then?
Bangladesh is much better off than most African countries like Zimbabwe, Kenya and is recognized as a developing economy with good growth rate.

http://www.hottnez.com/the-10-poorest-countries-of-the-world/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita

Tendulkar_Mcgrath
March 6, 2010, 12:41 PM
I assume most of the posters in this thread are living outside and are hardly aware whats our priority. I live in Dhaka, there is no gas in the evening, no water in the noon and no electricity in 2/3 hours in any given day. the roads here are so broken, we can not even walk. Outside Dhaka, there are places where no electricity is available. for a padma bridge, we have to plan for 20 years and then it is still uncertain due to fund problem.

we are living in second worst livable city and one of the poorest countries in the world. Our economy is primitive. Infrastructure development needs money, and when in the North Bengal you have 85% ppl living under poverty line, you can be sure they care less about cricket.

Sponsoring is also not the solution. the die hard fans here only a handful of the country and we mostly don't provide any money and find alternatives (free buffering, alternative tricks to espn360 etc). Any broadcast of cricket is not beneficiary to the channels, Bangladeshis work hard all day, and they like to see drama serials in the nights, that's why those dramas are getting ads. Bangladesh has thousand of problems, trust me, cricket investment is the least of them.


Bangladesh has thousands of problems, and facing these problems on daily basis, the stadium crowd is full, tickets are sold out as well there is always fight for buying cricket. At least for those fans the Cricket team should play. Don't you think so?
And the cricketers are not facing this problem any way. Even those players who are not in national team, only domestic cricket are rich enough to give some happiness to "problem-oriented" people of Bangladesh. At least their performance must show that determination. But They play like careless. That's my point.