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magic boy
March 9, 2010, 12:21 AM
'People need to believe in Bangladesh'

Khaled Mahmud looks no different now, overseeing Bangladesh training ahead of the second ODI in Dhaka, to how he did throughout his international career. Short and squat, and possessed of a physique that is undeniably "cuddly", Mahmud became a byword for underachievement in his six years at the top. At one stage he boasted a Test bowling average of 406 and a Test batting mark of 11.25, the worst combined figures for an allrounder in Test history, and his final appearance as his country's captain, against England in 2003, was drowned out by a cacophony of boos.
......(more) (http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/451215.html)

yaseer
March 9, 2010, 12:29 AM
Seems like Sujon wants to get the job of Head Coach after Siddons era ends.

beshideshi
March 9, 2010, 12:33 AM
I don't think someone with Sujon's technical capabilities should be the head coach. He can be/Is a great mentor and has a good head on his shoulders. He is a great strategist as well, but I don't think I like him as our head coach.

Ajfar
March 9, 2010, 01:10 AM
Seems like Sujon wants to get the job of Head Coach after Siddons era ends.

he shouldn't be the head coach, but he should def be around the national team, if not at least the U-19.

cricket_pagol
March 9, 2010, 01:26 AM
I don't think mahmud should be aiming for the position of the head coach at the moment. I want him to be around but not as head coach, I think he is playing his card rather prematurely.

bangla-red
March 9, 2010, 02:32 AM
So Siddons has no chance of staying on?

nura43
March 9, 2010, 06:06 AM
I am not concerned about who the coach is......I am concerned about rapid changes in the group of players with the change of coach. Whatmore had his bunch of chosen players, Jammie is having his preferred ones........when he will leave and a new coach will join, he will have a new group of players. The result is........We will always be an young and inexperienced team.

gunda
March 9, 2010, 07:33 AM
reading by this he wants the head coach job badly, Please we don't want another ''ordinary'' coach. He should stick to the assistant job, Guy should be happy with that. Gave him a hand and now his thinking of taking the whole arm. Whats so ''special'' about him? only memories i have of him was the '99 world cup. Nothing special doesn't even look like a head coach material.

His talking about the BD culture in that interview, Well he showed another side of that culture by being greedy. This is a transition period for Bangladesh we want a ''visionary'' ''strict'' coach. Not some namby pamby ''rookie'', This will take Bangladesh back. Am sick and tired of losses day and night. And these type of interview just frustrates and angers me so much.

Be a man and sacrifice yourself for the better of the team. Don't be selfish and destroy a struggling countrys future for your greed.

fais
March 9, 2010, 08:06 AM
i hope to God that Mahmud or any other Bangladeshi does not become a coach in the near future, we have had no players with any kind of technique to be very proud of in batting or bowling, so wat is he going to teach our players?!
we need to stick with foreign coaches for a while to come

akabir77
March 9, 2010, 09:07 AM
I think he should be the head coach after WC and hire a forgein batting, bowling, fileding and keeping coach. head coach is there to strategis and motivate players and he is a master of it... one thing the article forgot to mention, he was instrumental in the win against a good county team in that 1999 WC. that's the game gave every one the believe that we can do it...

Equinox
March 9, 2010, 09:09 AM
I hope Siddons stays on after the WC.

fais
March 9, 2010, 09:15 AM
I think he should be the head coach after WC and hire a forgein batting, bowling, fileding and keeping coach. head coach is there to strategis and motivate players and he is a master of it... one thing the article forgot to mention, he was instrumental in the win against a good county team in that 1999 WC. that's the game gave every one the believe that we can do it...

we currently dont have 4 different foreign coaches, what makes u think that BCB will decide to do that just to accomodate Mahmud as head coach

Fazal
March 9, 2010, 10:05 AM
Now that he have decided to dedicate his time to coaching, I think he should be aiming for the highest possible position.... wheather he "gets it or not" or "right now or future" is a different question.

He has some non-technical attributes that are needed to be a great coach: i.e leadership skill, and communication skill.

Now if he set his goal to the highest level, he can always go and have some professional training ....that is needed for him to be a successful coach. Plus he already got a break and is having a "hand on training" with the national team and learning on spot. Thats a huge Plus.

So I say, why not set the goal high and work on developing his skillset that is required to a good head coach. I see nothing wrong with that.

Tiger Manc
March 9, 2010, 10:15 AM
I don't want Mashud as head coach. I would still prefer a foreigner. I don't mind him being assistant, but we need someone who was a great player themselves and has plenty of experience.

Tigers_eye
March 9, 2010, 10:25 AM
How much coaching did Andy Flower had? Can anyone tell?

The players who transform to Coaches must be specialists something. Batting, bowling or wKeeping. What type of specialist is Sujon? Mental? Good, we need that too. But then after two years don't come and say, 'oh our domestic structure is not producing players!!'
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Those who think he has "IT" in him to take BD to next level, I ask: Is he a proven material? Which team did he take it to next level? Why not give him a year say Sylhet and see where he can take that team in our local leagues. Just one year. Too short? give two years then.

What sylhet is domestic league, BD is to half of intl cricket. We will see what Sujon has.
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Motivation, rah rah thingi are all well and done but how much does it help in the long run? Those are all short term gains, temporary. A win here and there. I see similarities with Sujon and Watmore.

Improving skill sets is there for the long run. Since our domestic structure don't do much our head coach should and must be a specialist coach + Motivating. Be it bowling or batting.

Nocturnal
March 9, 2010, 10:59 AM
I don't want Mashud as head coach. I would still prefer a foreigner. I don't mind him being assistant, but we need someone who was a great player themselves and has plenty of experience.

Mahmud = Khaled Mahmud Sujon, asst coach, Bangladesh national team
Mashud = Khaled Mashud Pilot, rajshahi NCL captain, former wktkeeper & captain of national team

Tigers_eye
March 9, 2010, 11:06 AM
One more thing, if our player pipeline is our domestic cricket then for our national team head coaching position (home grown), we ought to consider our local domestic coach first. Those already have some sort of head coaching experience. Knows the Xs and Ox. Just because Shujon is a household name he don't qualify as a head coach for the national team as of yet. Let him produce some thing in a lower level first.

Tiger Manc
March 9, 2010, 11:09 AM
Mahmud = Khaled Mahmud Sujon, asst coach, Bangladesh national team
Mashud = Khaled Mashud Pilot, rajshahi NCL captain, former wktkeeper & captain of national team

Woops I meant Mahmud, not Mashud.

AsifTheManRahman
March 9, 2010, 11:31 AM
Why are people criticizing him for wanting the head coach's job? It's fine as long as he's working towards it and not getting ahead of himself.

Now whether he will ever be fit for the job is a different question and for the BCB to decide.

Fazal
March 9, 2010, 11:35 AM
Why are people criticizing him for wanting the head coach's job? It's fine as long as he's working towards it and not getting ahead of himself.

Now whether he will ever be fit for the job is a different question and for the BCB to decide.

Exactly... I don't see what's wrong if someone set his target to be that high.

Looks like people are missing the whole point here.

meazz1
March 9, 2010, 12:00 PM
Why are people criticizing him for wanting the head coach's job? It's fine as long as he's working towards it and not getting ahead of himself.

Now whether he will ever be fit for the job is a different question and for the BCB to decide.

Very good point.
If one does not try, one can never talk about reaching there.
We are too quick to criticize ones' ambition.

Tigers_eye
March 9, 2010, 12:19 PM
Why are people criticizing him for wanting the head coach's job? It's fine as long as he's working towards it and not getting ahead of himself.

Now whether he will ever be fit for the job is a different question and for the BCB to decide.
There lies the issue with most. He has no experience to hold such position yet he aims to achieve within a year or two. He is already way ahead of himself thinking he could do better.

Only in BD one can expect get to the top without doing the necessary work. All you need is backing.

Beamer
March 9, 2010, 12:35 PM
This foreign coach is developing the young players, as opposed to the earlier foreign coach who didn't develop the young players during his tenure. The experience gap in this team could have been shortened if the likes of Rajin ( and the others that Chacha mentioned ) developed and showed these young guys the ropes. The previous coach is the reason there is a void of a generation of cricketers who could have been in their prime right now. I have voiced it before in a separate thread and I am glad Chacha agrees.

AsifTheManRahman
March 9, 2010, 12:46 PM
This foreign coach is developing the young players, as opposed to the earlier foreign coach who didn't develop the young players during his tenure. The experience gap in this team could have been shortened if the likes of Rajin ( and the others that Chacha mentioned ) developed and showed these young guys the ropes. The previous coach is the reason there is a void of a generation of cricketers who could have been in their prime right now. I have voiced it before in a separate thread and I am glad Chacha agrees.
It's almost as if Siddons had to start all over again when he got the job. The average age of the team should have been > 25 by now.

fais
March 9, 2010, 02:05 PM
There lies the issue with most. He has no experience to hold such position yet he aims to achieve within a year or two. He is already way ahead of himself thinking he could do better.

Only in BD one can expect get to the top without doing the necessary work. All you need is backing.

hopefully we won't suffer from such stupidity - the BCB must be clear in their minds that their fortune lies is directly related to the fortunes of the team.

nannu
March 9, 2010, 03:46 PM
he really talks well...

i am totally agree with him, except from the hannan sarkar part.. man he was the biggest nightmare in the history of bd cricket...

uss01
March 9, 2010, 04:14 PM
I think Rajin didn't get enough chances after Siddons came along. From what I remember he just got one series against New Zealand. But he's a good talent, and does not throw away his wicket like some of the other idiots who play for BD. That innings he played against India, 3rd odi in 2004 was a great one actually. No slogging, just good batting.



This foreign coach is developing the young players, as opposed to the earlier foreign coach who didn't develop the young players during his tenure. The experience gap in this team could have been shortened if the likes of Rajin ( and the others that Chacha mentioned ) developed and showed these young guys the ropes. The previous coach is the reason there is a void of a generation of cricketers who could have been in their prime right now. I have voiced it before in a separate thread and I am glad Chacha agrees.

auntu
March 9, 2010, 04:42 PM
[বাংলা]Thanks. পড়ে ভালো লাগলো।
সুজন দেখি খোলাখুলি হেড কোচ হবার কথা জানায় দিলো। [/বাংলা]

tiger_2007
March 10, 2010, 02:10 AM
I am a bit annoyed the way Sujon expressed his views. I don't want him to be our head coach. In fact, I don't want to see any coaches from the subcontinet. Australia should be the first chioce if we want to hire someone once Siddon leaves.

Ajfar
March 10, 2010, 02:34 AM
I think Rajin didn't get enough chances after Siddons came along. From what I remember he just got one series against New Zealand. But he's a good talent, and does not throw away his wicket like some of the other idiots who play for BD. That innings he played against India, 3rd odi in 2004 was a great one actually. No slogging, just good batting.

I think Rajin could have been the answer to our number 3, or 4 for the longer version. But JS didn't get enough chance to work him or even see what he has to offer.

auntu
March 10, 2010, 05:53 AM
I am a bit annoyed the way Sujon expressed his views. I don't want him to be our head coach. In fact, I don't want to see any coaches from the subcontinet. Australia should be the first chioce if we want to hire someone once Siddon leaves.
Absolutely spot on.
He can be with the team just to talk.

snake
March 10, 2010, 07:11 AM
I think people underestimates Mahmud, I think they should better know his history why he is different from other BD players:

1) When we had a debacle in ICC 2003 WC in SA with all the so called young players like Rokon, Ash, Hannan, Sanwar playing their rash shots, Khaled Mahmud Sujon was made captain. I was so upset at the time of the selection because as a player he never warranted a place in the side. Then we went to Australia where we had to face infamous David hookes statement to complete test by a single day. After the Aus series, Steve wagh said that Pakistan better watch out for BD and we lost eventually by one wicket at Multan. That was by far one of the best achievement of our test cricket, I still believe we would have won the match if Rafiq ran out the last man Mohsin Khan. I still wonder what he did with the team?? For the first time, I realized his mental strength and shrewed captaincy that cricket is not played in the field but mostly played in the mind.

2) After that england came and Mashrafee got injured but still we had some good days in the field with Enamul bowling superbly. Ultimately, we didn't do that good in test since Harmison's short pitched bowling caught us, in fact, it was too good for BD techniquewise, at that time, which cannot be just handled mentally.

3) Lets have a fast forward of time and think about a time of ICC T20 world cup debacle with defeats to Ireland. Here is a cricinfo excerpts:

"Mahmud was hopeful Bangladesh would take positives from the loss to Ireland, which ended their Twenty20 campaign. "I think because the players have been hurt by the defeat to Ireland it will make them more hungry now to perform and showcase their abilities," he said. "They would want to get out there and prove themselves that they are capable of performing at the big stage." "

We know what eventually happened to WI series despite Shakib's outstanding performance, we forgot one guy who mentally and stretagically supported them. SIddon's soon found why BD player doesn't understand them and instead of sacking Mahmud, he knew Mahmud will only bring success to his resume. SInce then, barring some hiccups here and there, we are performing consistently, at least the ship doesn't go out-of-direction for a long time. Did we thank enough to the guy, Sujon or understand his value? I do not think so because gems like Salahuddin, Sujon, NAnnu will never get their right appreciation because of the mentality we have got, they are just colored DESHI, it is impossible for them to become great! they can be at best assistant coach with lota/badna carrying for the head coach.

4) WHy we were so enthusiastic about Whatmore? Remember what Siddons publicly said about whatmore when he joined to national team. In short, he said he didn't do the basic work like mind set of players specially, how to construct an innings. Because, he immediatly realized that WHatmore's objective was to let them hit and once in a while if it clicks he will be in the headline.
I have to give credit to the honesty of Siddons.

Now, again, I will ask also to read forum about Siddons (recently) that Siddons is not a great stretagist, his objective is to improve players performance not the result. This is because being in Australian team for so long as an assistant coach, that's what his duty were. This is what he can do at best. He is/was never been a shrewed stretegist, and never will understand a subcontinent player.
I still belive he will be best for the nest 1/2 years, after that we need some shrewed stretegist for th national team. Like Greg Chappel, coaches like Siddons should have ideally in academy or at best assistant coach and I wish Siddons were there instead of whatmore. But, once we have a bunch of 20-30 players who knows how to play in the top-level, which I am sure we will have plenty after 1/2 yeras, we will need a different kind of coach like Sujon.

5) I believe we need some world class batting, fast bowling and fielding coach in academy as well as for the national team but head coach should be some one like John wright, Gary Kristen, Khaled Mahmud. Equip a head coach with proper world class batting, bowling, field coach, physio, psychologist etc. Make the first class cricket more competitive with better money, bouncy or spin friendly pitch and make sure Academy's outside dhaka has also very high standard.

Above all we should never be shy of using something great in BD and we should look for outside help is something missing in BD.

cricket_fanatic
March 10, 2010, 07:15 AM
There is nothing wrong with aiming high - it's just that the way Shujon expressed his ambitions which was a little too upfront. If I was Siddons and read the interview, I would have thought Shujon was standing right behind me on the queue, waiting for me to leave. But then again, it might not be too bad a thing - why would a foreign coach get an easy ride?

Rath_Mama
March 11, 2010, 05:55 AM
I am not concerned about who the coach is......I am concerned about rapid changes in the group of players with the change of coach. Whatmore had his bunch of chosen players, Jammie is having his preferred ones........when he will leave and a new coach will join, he will have a new group of players. The result is........We will always be an young and inexperienced team.
Well said , If we admit or not but This is the truth.............

akabir77
March 11, 2010, 09:52 AM
we currently dont have 4 different foreign coaches, what makes u think that BCB will decide to do that just to accomodate Mahmud as head coach

becuase we are paying the head coach the amount of 4 different coach... we do have at least two forgeign coach now (head, bowling)... with the money we will have save by hiring shujon we can easily get 4 coaches.