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Bondhu
March 9, 2010, 03:42 PM
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[বাংলা]আপাতত টেস্ট খেলবেন না বলে আগেই জানিয়েছেন মাশরাফি বিন মুর্তজা। চট্টগ্রামের প্রস্তুতি ম্যাচে মোহাম্মদ আশরাফুলের পারফরম্যান্সও ইঙ্গিত দিচ্ছিল তাঁর দলে না থাকার। এই দুজনের অনুপস্থিতি কোনো চমক নয়। ইংল্যান্ডের বিপক্ষে টেস্ট সিরিজের দল তাই একরকম অনুমিতই ছিল। তবে অনুচ্চারে হলেও ছিল একটা কৌতূহল—জাতীয় ক্রিকেট লিগে ধারাবাহিকভাবে রান করে যাওয়া ফয়সাল হোসেন কি পাবেন পারফরম্যান্সের যোগ্য পুরস্কার?
ফয়সালের দুর্ভাগ্য, রফিকুল আলমের নেতৃত্বাধীন নির্বাচক কমিটির ১৪ সদস্যের দলে ঠাঁই হয়নি তাঁর। এবারের জাতীয় লিগের চার দিনের ম্যাচের ফাইনালের আগ পর্যন্ত ২টি সেঞ্চুরি আর ৬টি ফিফটিতে ৮ ম্যাচে ৮৫২ রান আর বল হাতে ১২ উইকেট নিয়েও না। ফয়সালের জন্য এটা নতুন কোনো অভিজ্ঞতা নয় অবশ্য। গত জাতীয় লিগেও চার দিনের ম্যাচে সর্বোচ্চ ৭৭৫ রান করে উপেক্ষিতই ছিলেন। ২০০৪ সালে খেলা একটি টেস্ট ও ৪টি ওয়ানডেই এখনো স্মারক হয়ে আছে তাঁর আন্তর্জাতিক ক্যারিয়ারের।
বাংলাদেশের ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটের সঙ্গে আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটের অনেক পার্থক্য। ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটে কেউ ভালো খেললেই তাকে হুট করে জাতীয় দলের ভিসা না দিয়ে দেওয়ার নীতি সেদিক দিয়ে ঠিকই আছে। কিন্তু জাতীয় দলে আসার যোগ্যতা আগেই প্রমাণ করাদের জন্যও কি সেই একই নীতিই প্রযোজ্য? তাহলে তো ফয়সালের মতো অলক কাপালি, হান্নান সরকার, রাজিন সালেহ বা এবারের লিগের একমাত্র ডাবল সেঞ্চুরিয়ান নাজিমউদ্দিনেরও আবার জাতীয় দলে ফেরার স্বপ্ন বাদ দিয়ে দেওয়াই ভালো!
জাতীয় দলে সুযোগ পেয়ে বাদ পড়া ক্রিকেটারদের দলে ফেরার ক্ষেত্রে বিবেচ্য হওয়ার কথা দুটি বিষয়—ভালো ফর্ম এবং দলে উপযুক্ত একটি খালি জায়গা। ফয়সাল হোসেনের সামর্থ্য নিয়ে নির্বাচকদেরও সন্দেহ নেই। প্রধান নির্বাচক রফিকুল আলম কাল তাঁকে টেস্ট দলে না রাখার কারণ হিসেবে বললেন পরের কথাটাই, ‘ও দলে আসলে কোথায় ব্যাট করবে? ও যেসব জায়গায় খেলে রান করছে সেখানে মাহমুদউল্লাহ আছে, নাঈম আছে। তার পরও ফয়সাল আমাদের বিবেচনায় ভালোভাবেই আছে। তবে তাঁকে একটা প্রক্রিয়ার মধ্য দিয়ে আসতে হবে।’
অথচ এখন পর্যন্ত খেলা দুটি টেস্টে নাঈমের পারফরম্যান্স এমন উজ্জ্বল কিছু নয় যে তাঁর জায়গায় ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটের একজন পরীক্ষিত ব্যাটসম্যানকে আরেকবার বড় মঞ্চে পরীক্ষার সুযোগ দেওয়া যাবে না। ওয়ানডে বা টি-টোয়েন্টিতে নাঈমের উপযোগিতা নিয়ে কোনো সন্দেহ না থাকলেও দুই টেস্টে তাঁর অর্জন মাত্র ৪৪ রান আর ১টিই উইকেট। আর প্রধান নির্বাচক যে প্রক্রিয়ার কথা বললেন, সেখানেও তো সফল ফয়সাল! জিম্বাবুয়ের বিপক্ষে গত হোম সিরিজের আগে ফতুল্লায় এক দিনের প্রস্তুতি ম্যাচে করেছিলেন অপরাজিত ৮১ রান। রান পেয়েছেন ‘এ’ দলের হয়ে মহারাষ্ট্র সফরের টি-টোয়েন্টি, ওয়ানডে এবং তিন দিনের ম্যাচেও। নির্বাচকদের হয়তো এসব মনেই নেই। কিংবা জাতীয় দল গঠনযন্ত্রটা হয়তো তাঁর চেনাজানা গণ্ডির বাইরে যাওয়াটাকেই বিপদসংকুল মনে করছে।
নির্বাচকদের ‘নিরাপদে’ থাকার মানসিকতা দেশের আমজনতা ক্রিকেটারদের মধ্যে ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটের ওপর এনে দিচ্ছে এক ধরনের অনাস্থা। কাল রাজশাহীর ড্রেসিংরুমে বসেই জাতীয় দলের সাবেক অধিনায়ক খালেদ মাসুদ প্রশ্নটা তুললেন, ‘একটা ছেলে দিনের পর দিন, বছরের পর বছর প্রথম শ্রেণীর ক্রিকেটে ভালো ব্যাটিং করেও জাতীয় দলে সুযোগ না পেলে ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটে ভালো খেলার তাহলে মূল্য থাকল কী? আর ফয়সাল তো নতুন ক্রিকেটার নয়, ও জাতীয় দলে একবার খেলেছে।’
ফয়সাল নিজে কী বলেন? নির্মম নিয়তির কাছে বারবার হেরে যাওয়া স্বপ্নটা যে আর পাখা মেলারই সাহস পায় না! টেলিফোনের অপর প্রান্ত থেকে ভেসে আসে ক্লান্ত কণ্ঠ, ‘আমি খেলতে চাই, এটা আমি বলব কেন? সব সময় তো দেখেছি ভালো খেললেই জাতীয় দলে ডাকে, যারা ভালো খেলে না তাদেরও ঘুরিয়ে-ফিরিয়ে সুযোগ দেওয়া হয়। আমি যতই ভাবি আমার যোগ্যতা আছে, আমাকে সুযোগ না দিলে কী করার আছে?’
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Title says it all:(ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেট তাহলে মূল্যহীন!....YES...it is mullohin.

Sad really.....A guy who scoring runs like a machine in every format for last 3 yrs dont get a NT call but a guy who consistanly failing (Aftab) in every format getting chance in every series...Bah, Excellent selection. hats off to you selectors!!!

WarWolf
March 9, 2010, 03:50 PM
Nayeem proved himself enough so far. Faisal could be given a chance but not at the price of Nayeem or Riyad.

hbk619
March 9, 2010, 04:01 PM
Now it indicates that how dumb our selectors are. "Kothai Khelbe?":floor:

Rafiqul Alam thinks BD is an Aussie team

Eshen
March 9, 2010, 04:17 PM
After following this domestic season as close as possible for a non-resident Bangladeshi, I have to say I am still confused what's the worth of the domestic leagues. It's hard to judge a batsman when he is not facing quality bowlers.

In ongoing NCL final, only Alauddin Babu (Chittagong) and Subhashis Roy (Rajshahi) seem to be worthy of the FC cricketers' tag. Other pacers such as Mohammad Shahzada, Kamrul Islam, or Abdullah Al Mamun simply bowl outside offstump and play on the patience of the batsmen to get wickets. I found the spinners stock even more disappointing, only Saqlain seems to be only worthy bowler here. Others, including Suhrawardi Shuvo, seem too defensive. Even Saqlain needs to add some variety to his bowling (ie develop a good armer, use the width of the crease to vary angle of deliveries) if he wants to be considered for the Test team in future.

BCB also did its part to ruin the final by making a super flat pitch on Mirpur.

Anyway, you never know, we may still get couple of decent players out of the league. But I can't blame selectors for not being too excited about Faisal and Co. Instead of rushing them to the national team, a better approach will be to test them out against SA and WI A-teams next month.

auntu
March 9, 2010, 04:17 PM
now it indicates that how dumb our selectors are. "kothai khelbe?":floor:

Rafiqul alam thinks bd is an aussie team
[বাংলা]কোথায় খেলবে এইটাতো আসলেই একটা বিষয়।

ফয়সালের ব্যাটিং কয়জন দেখেছেন জানি না। হয়তো যারা মন্তব্য করেছেন ব্যাটিং না দেখেই মন্তব্য করেছেন। একটি সত্যি কথা এই বেলায় বলে দেই। আমার ফউসালের খেলা সামনা-সামনি এবং টিভিতে দু'ভাবেই খেলা দেখার সৌভাগ্য হয়েছে। টেকনিকালি ত্রুটিযুক্ত একজন ব্যাটসম্যান। যে সকল টেকনিকাল ত্রুটি ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটে হয়তো চলে যায় কিন্তু আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটে টিকে থাকা কঠিন হয়ে যায়।

পৃথিবীর প্রত্যেকটি ক্রিকেট পরাশক্তির দেশেই এই রকমের ভুরি-ভুরি উদাহরন পাওয়া যাবে যারা ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটে দূর্দান্ত কিন্তু আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটে হয় উপেক্ষিত হয়েছেন অথবা আন্তর্জাতিক ক্ষেত্রে ঘরোয়া খেলার মতো পারফর্ম করতে পারেন নাই। যেমন জেমি সিডন্স। অস্ট্রেলিয়ার ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটের অন্যতম সফল ব্যাটসম্যান কিন্তু আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটে মাত্র এক ম্যাচের অভিজ্ঞতা।

ফয়সালের ক্ষেত্রে আসলে ভাগ্য খারাপ। বর্তমান প্রেক্ষাপটে তার জন্য দলে আসা আসলেই কঠিন। নাঈম তার জায়গা করেই দলে এসেছে। নাঈমের টেষ্ট ক্যারিয়ার সবে শুরু। অনেক দূর যাবার যোগ্যতা রাখে। তাই এখনই তাকে বাদ দেয়ার মতো কোন পরিস্থিতি হয়েছে বলে মনে হয় না। তবে টপ অর্ডারের ক্রমাগত ব্যর্থতায় হয়তো কোন একদিন ফয়সালের সুযোগ আসবে এবং এতোদিনের উপেক্ষার দাত ভাঙ্গা জবাব ব্যাট দিয়ে দিবে। [/বাংলা]

Eshen
March 9, 2010, 04:27 PM
BTW, I do think Faisal deserves a serious look from the selectors. Faisal may not have good techniques, but his maturity may be what we need at #6 or #7 slot.

As PA report said, Naeem is still far from cementing his place in the Test team. In the ODI team, he is surviving more because of his bowling (which is not his specialty!) than for his batting.

At anyrate, more competition can only bring out a better player, there is no reason to ignore either of them.

Eshen
March 9, 2010, 04:41 PM
On a side note, both Babu and Roy are from Rangpur. If Sajid returns to full fitness by next season, Rangpur will have an exciting pace attack in next NCL.

hbk619
March 9, 2010, 09:14 PM
[বাংলা]কোথায় খেলবে এইটাতো আসলেই একটা বিষয়।

ফয়সালের ব্যাটিং কয়জন দেখেছেন জানি না। হয়তো যারা মন্তব্য করেছেন ব্যাটিং না দেখেই মন্তব্য করেছেন। একটি সত্যি কথা এই বেলায় বলে দেই। আমার ফউসালের খেলা সামনা-সামনি এবং টিভিতে দু'ভাবেই খেলা দেখার সৌভাগ্য হয়েছে। টেকনিকালি ত্রুটিযুক্ত একজন ব্যাটসম্যান। যে সকল টেকনিকাল ত্রুটি ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটে হয়তো চলে যায় কিন্তু আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটে টিকে থাকা কঠিন হয়ে যায়।

পৃথিবীর প্রত্যেকটি ক্রিকেট পরাশক্তির দেশেই এই রকমের ভুরি-ভুরি উদাহরন পাওয়া যাবে যারা ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটে দূর্দান্ত কিন্তু আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটে হয় উপেক্ষিত হয়েছেন অথবা আন্তর্জাতিক ক্ষেত্রে ঘরোয়া খেলার মতো পারফর্ম করতে পারেন নাই। যেমন জেমি সিডন্স। অস্ট্রেলিয়ার ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটের অন্যতম সফল ব্যাটসম্যান কিন্তু আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটে মাত্র এক ম্যাচের অভিজ্ঞতা।

ফয়সালের ক্ষেত্রে আসলে ভাগ্য খারাপ। বর্তমান প্রেক্ষাপটে তার জন্য দলে আসা আসলেই কঠিন। নাঈম তার জায়গা করেই দলে এসেছে। নাঈমের টেষ্ট ক্যারিয়ার সবে শুরু। অনেক দূর যাবার যোগ্যতা রাখে। তাই এখনই তাকে বাদ দেয়ার মতো কোন পরিস্থিতি হয়েছে বলে মনে হয় না। তবে টপ অর্ডারের ক্রমাগত ব্যর্থতায় হয়তো কোন একদিন ফয়সালের সুযোগ আসবে এবং এতোদিনের উপেক্ষার দাত ভাঙ্গা জবাব ব্যাট দিয়ে দিবে। [/বাংলা]

Bhai testea Junayed and Aftab ke team e rakha kono manei hoy na. talented tara, but result produce korte pare na. Ekber bhalo khele to porerbar kharap. Raqibul je eiber bhalo khelbe tar o kono gurantee nai. Amader main shomossa to top-middle ordera, to oikhane experiment chalaile khoti ki? Bar Bar eki result produce hochhe, ekjon/duijon bhalo khele to tinjon kharap khele ei obosta.

bujhee kom
March 9, 2010, 09:43 PM
Arrey bhais, thread-er hota, jonmo-data Bondhu bhai is gone....tahole ekhon ei thread-e post koratai mullohin.... Tobe Faisal-er shathe ami ekmot....it is very sad but true!

yaseer
March 9, 2010, 09:57 PM
When I see Aftab and Junaid making the Test squad, I really feel sorry for Faisal.

I have seen Faisal a long ago, and he had some faulty technique then. Do not know whether he has improved on that or not. But that is not the point. In international cricket we have seen lots of successful players with faulty technique. Do not need to go far, our own Habibul Bashar is an example. After all it is a mental game and if Faisal is mentally prepared for a go at this level (he seems so) then technique should not be an issue here. He should be given a chance.

To add to that, scoring in NCL is nothing, then taking wickets in NCL is nothing also. We should stop NCL then and play U19 vs Academy match all year long. Seems like players can only come to that process.

beshideshi
March 9, 2010, 10:17 PM
I saw Faisal hossain in 2004, did look quite shaky. Doesn't like to get behind the line of the ball, backlift is a bit squarer than ideal.
But Habibul Bashar also had a faulty technique, relied heavily on hand eye co ordination, yet he was the most successful test batsman till date.
If you want to talk technique, look no further than Zunayed Siddique, Imrul Kayes in the current team. Both have tailender like movements in the crease, but seems to make it work. I am sure Faisal will make it work as well, if he gets exposure at international level he can surely become a middle order pillar imo.

AsifTheManRahman
March 9, 2010, 10:22 PM
He looked horrible in 2004 and apparently still does. Back then, he had literally no back-lift or footwork, merely pushing at the ball hoping to connect and if that is still the case, I'd rather not have him in the team.

Having said that, even if he's getting all these runs through hand-eye coordination, it could be worth keeping him in the loop. More academy and A team games for him I say.

nura43
March 9, 2010, 10:30 PM
আমি ঠিক বুঝি না আফতাব এর মধ্যে নির্বাচকরা কি দেখল যে তাকে টেষ্ট দলেও রাখতে হলো? he scored a few runs in the last one dayer but he is not consistent in getting runs. I think Faisal deserved to be in the squad at least. This selection panel sucks.

The_Yorker
March 9, 2010, 10:51 PM
Faulty techniqes at the eyes of whom? If someone can get runs and wickets, it's good enough for me. Stats are all it matters. I don't buy the argument that there is no link between the domestic and international matches. There is- domestics matches are the stairways to national team. Does anyone has any explanation of how Aftab is a better player than Faisal? Both Faisal and Zuhurl should be considered in international matches, as I see it.

On the other note- Rafiqul Alam is my foot; he does not even think. He opens his mouth and says whatever comes out of his mouth. Nothing makes sense when he says something...because he does not think- yup that's the only explanation.

Dhakablues
March 9, 2010, 11:08 PM
If our domestic league is so crappy, how did they find players like Shafiul, Raqibul, Zunaed, Riad? All these players performed in domestic league before they came to the squad and were not so called 'star' U-19 players like Aftab, Mushfique, Ashraful, Mashrafee. Yes, there are players like Amol Mazumdar who are great domestic performers but never made it to the international scene but frankly we never gave Dickens much chances to prove his techniques to be too flawed. Heck, folks once said that Shevagh had ridiculous technique... and what are they saying now? If Bashar had flaws but still managed to score half-centuries every other tests... who wouldnt want him in the squad than a perfect techniqued but once in a greeen moon Ashraful?

If the BCB board is really serious about uplifting the performance of the national team, it has to reward performers.. period. Test cricket is more than just technique, it is about temperment, patience, strategy and execution. And that is something our no test experience selectors must realize...

The_Yorker
March 9, 2010, 11:32 PM
Dhakablues... well said!! very well said...

One World
March 9, 2010, 11:34 PM
Nothing is worthless.

sadi
March 10, 2010, 12:06 AM
I have seen many batsmen with bad techniques scoring runs in international cricket. It's not like we have Ponting batting for us anyways. He deserves a second chance if not anything else for what he did so far. I understand he doesn't have good foot movements or he does rely heavily on his hand-eye co-ordination but in a slow subcontinent pitch, he may still score some runs. If they can give so many chances to Z and Aftab, he atleast deserve a second chance.

bujhee kom
March 10, 2010, 12:14 AM
I agree bhais dhakablue bhai and Sadi bhai, I totally agree! Very good valid point.

Eshen
March 10, 2010, 12:30 AM
If our domestic league is so crappy, how did they find players like Shafiul, Raqibul, Zunaed, Riad?
Both Raqibul and Riyad had been groomed through BKSP and later through the HP unit managed by McInnes. They played both for U/19 and A-team under him. They continued under Shaun Williams when academy was later founded. Yes, they both played good number of domestic matches before coming to the national team, but I think it will be misleading to say they are products of our domestic leagues.

Shafiul had been spotted by Sujon back in 2006 and had been groomed by BCB coaches since then. Yes, he came into prominence through 2009 Dhaka leagues, but again, I think it will be misleading to say he is a product of Dhaka league.

Zunaed and Imrul, on the other hand, came to prominence through Dhaka league. Fortunately, they had been spotted by selectors at early age (around 18-19 years) and were inducted into the academy soon.

Problem with Faisal is that he was noticed at his mid twenties. Then he was rushed in and out of the national team. Since then he was left in the wilderness, and now he is in his thirties - too old to be taught new things. If you think he is good enough for the national team as he is now, you are basically assuming our domestic league bowlers (against whom he scored all those runs) are almost international standard or just a notch bellow international standard. I don't think our selectors can afford to make an assumption like that.

It is not like Faisal has been totally ignored by the selectors. Last year, he played in practice matches against Zimbabwe, also in A-team matches against Maharashtra (both in home and away tours). Somehow, he failed to impress selectors in those matches.

Ajfar
March 10, 2010, 12:34 AM
If Aftab and Zunaed can make it to the team why not him, I don't know much about faisal but from what i read around here people say his technique is not good, so what let JS work him. see what he has to offer. I mean he's been playing FC cricket year after year, i'm sure he knows a thing or two that Aftab or Zunaed don't. He deserves a chance, if he keeps performing and it doesn't get noticed he'll get discouraged, and more importantly other youngsters will too. Beside didn't Riyad had a heck of a season last NCL, and look what he turned out to be. so why not Faisal?

Ajfar
March 10, 2010, 12:38 AM
Eshen bhai you are never too old to learn, hard working individuals will always find a way. so you are saying that just because Faisal didn't come through the BCB pipe line his performance is meaningless, and it won't transform in to the international arena? if that is BCB's philosophy how do you think the other youngsters should feel if they are not product of BCB acamdey or age group.

Eshen
March 10, 2010, 12:52 AM
Eshen bhai you are never too old to learn, hard working individuals will always find a way. so you are saying that just because Faisal didn't come through the BCB pipe line his performance is meaningless, and it won't transform in to the international arena? if that is BCB's philosophy how do you think the other youngsters should feel if they are not product of BCB acamdey or age group.
When it comes physical sports, yes, your age can make world of difference. When you learn a cricket shot, it's not like you are learning a mathematical technique that can be easily changed later through your knowledge, it's about developing your reflex. Again, after certain age, it's hard to change how you may react to a certain kind of bowlers or deliveries (ask Sujon how frustrating it was for him when Whatmore tried to change his batting techniques).

I am not assuming Faisal can't transform his domestic form into international form, but I can't see either how you can confidently assume he can do so. I think selectors are taking the right approach by waiting to observe him for another summer in the A-team.

How other youngsters may feel? Well, get into the academy set up by your early twenties or say good bye to your ambition to play for the national team.

bujhee kom
March 10, 2010, 12:58 AM
^^Totally agree with Eshen bhai, very valid point.

Ajfar
March 10, 2010, 01:10 AM
How other youngsters may feel? Well, get into the academy set up by your early twenties or say good bye to your ambition to play for the national team.

I can't really comment on his technique at all, I have never seen him play but i'm guessing his is not completely clueless to be able to score this much run. but the part I quoted that just doesn't sound right, so you are telling me a players dream of playing for the National team is over just like that? if that is the case then I can never see our domestic league improve. What the do the players have look forward to then?

sadi
March 10, 2010, 01:24 AM
Somehow we can't get out of this mentality of being in late twenties and early thirties and already labeled as too old. That's why our average age in the team is early 20s. Team full of youngsters and we will always need another five years develop. But let me tell you what happens in five years. These players get into their late twenties and early thirties and will be labeled as bura and will be thrown out and we would still have team full of early twenties.

Eshen
March 10, 2010, 01:24 AM
I can't really comment on his technique at all, I have never seen him play but i'm guessing his is not completely clueless to be able to score this much run. but the part I quoted that just doesn't sound right, so you are telling me a players dream of playing for the National team is over just like that? if that is the case then I can never see our domestic league improve. What the do the players have look forward to then?
To make a good living out of the domestic leagues? Why do you think Faisal Hossain continued for so long being left out there? Or why Pilot is still playing after retiring from the national team? I don't think they are doing so only for the love of the game.

wiseshah
March 10, 2010, 01:35 AM
After following this domestic season as close as possible for a non-resident Bangladeshi, I have to say I am still confused what's the worth of the domestic leagues. It's hard to judge a batsman when he is not facing quality bowlers.

. But I can't blame selectors for not being too excited about Faisal and Co. Instead of rushing them to the national team, a better approach will be to test them out against SA and WI A-teams next month.


now its not rushing him

its too late--he is too old to bring back to national team

in our case, we r too early or too late and we will remain as forever young team , so we can make some excuses for future failure

wiseshah
March 10, 2010, 01:36 AM
faisal played against saf a team and india maharashtra team and he did decent job

wiseshah
March 10, 2010, 01:39 AM
Somehow we can't get out of this mentality of being in late twenties and early thirties and already labeled as too old. That's why our average age in the team is early 20s. Team full of youngsters and we will always need another five years develop. But let me tell you what happens in five years. These players get into their late twenties and early thirties and will be labeled as bura and will be thrown out and we would still have team full of early twenties.


agree. they try to find excuses that we dont have enough bench player or dont bring faisal 3 yrs before because its too early, now dont bring him because its too late.

so team like aussie, saf, NZ, india are all old team--according to bd

i dont care, if old player can give me win. all we need is win

Eshen
March 10, 2010, 01:58 AM
Somehow we can't get out of this mentality of being in late twenties and early thirties and already labeled as too old. That's why our average age in the team is early 20s. Team full of youngsters and we will always need another five years develop. But let me tell you what happens in five years. These players get into their late twenties and early thirties and will be labeled as bura and will be thrown out and we would still have team full of early twenties.
Well, I for one don't think so. For example, if Tushar Imran, who has somewhat mastered most of the cricket shots properly and who has good amount of experience playing at different levels, starts to score consistently at late twenties/early thirties, by all means he should be called back to the national team.

But in case of Faisal, he has not mastered cricket shots properly, does not have extensive exposure outside domestic leagues either. Again, I am not writing him off, but I can see why selectors may not feel too excited about him.

Baundule
March 10, 2010, 02:01 AM
Not respecting the FC performances actually makes the league useless. This eventually has a huge negative effect, because no one is motivated enough to perform better to become an international material. So, the standard of the FC league can not improve.

Drafting in players from U-19 is also ruining the team. Most of these players are talented; but immature, they get selected so easily! However, the management probably finds it easier to manage younger players and therefore anyone above 25 is tagged as 'Buira'.

In that process, we get an ever developing team that eventually never develops enough to compete at the international level.

Baundule
March 10, 2010, 02:13 AM
Btw, for people that are allergic with Faisal's technique (I have never seen him play, so do not know what miracles he knows to score runs with faulty technique), how do you rate Junaed's techniques? For me, I need only 4 people on the field to get him out within one over. One bowler with about 85mph speed, one wicket keeper to collect his hit and miss, one slip and one fielder at the deep mid-wicket. Then bowl him 2 feet outside the off. There are only four possibilities, miss (50%) and goes to the keeper, inside edge and goes to the stump (10%), edge that goes to the slip (15%) and most likely a top edge (for dragging the ball from the outside off and playing on the on over the infield) that flies to the deep mid-wicket (25%).

Ajfar
March 10, 2010, 02:26 AM
Btw, for people that are allergic with Faisal's technique (I have never seen him play, so do not know what miracles he knows to score runs with faulty technique), how do you rate Junaed's techniques? For me, I need only 4 people on the field to get him out within one over. One bowler with about 85mph speed, one wicket keeper to collect his hit and miss, one slip and one fielder at the deep mid-wicket. Then bowl him 2 feet outside the off. There are only four possibilities, miss (50%) and goes to the keeper, inside edge and goes to the stump (10%), edge that goes to the slip (15%) and most likely a top edge (for dragging the ball from the outside off and playing on the on over the infield) that flies to the deep mid-wicket (25%).

well said, Ehsan bhai i think you are being bit too harsh on him, IMO he deserves to be on the team ahead of Aftab and Zunaed.

Ajfar
March 10, 2010, 02:29 AM
But in case of Faisal, he has not mastered cricket shots properly, does not have extensive exposure outside domestic leagues either. Again, I am not writing him off, but I can see why selectors may not feel too excited about him.

well I can't think of a better series than this, we are playing home, so its not like he has to get adjusted to the atmosphere, and on top of that so much has been said about the inexperience/untested English bowling attack. Eshan bhai I get the feeling that he's technique is not as bad as you are making it sound like but I guess i'll have to wait to see for myself.

Eshen
March 10, 2010, 02:45 AM
well I can't think of a better series than this, we are playing home, so its not like he has to get adjusted to the atmosphere, and on top of that so much has been said about the inexperience/untested English bowling attack. Eshan bhai I get the feeling that he's technique is not as bad as you are making it sound like but I guess i'll have to wait to see for myself.
You have ATN Bangla, don't you? Just watch what kind of bowlers Faisal facing in the NCL final. Comparing to that, Faisal will have to make a huge adjustment if he is fielded against England team regardless of the nature of the pitch.

IMO, the bottom line is selectors are in a much better position to judge him than any of us here. Most of us are just making guesses on him based on stats where as selectors are watching him in live action.

nmhimal
March 10, 2010, 02:46 AM
agree. they try to find excuses that we dont have enough bench player or dont bring faisal 3 yrs before because its too early, now dont bring him because its too late.

so team like aussie, saf, NZ, india are all old team--according to bd

i dont care, if old player can give me win. all we need is win

Fair dinkum, i just care about win and who can score runs, don't care about good or bad technique, faisal looks more mature than what he used to be, he should get one more chance.

cricket_fanatic
March 10, 2010, 06:31 AM
Well, technique can be a bit of a dodgy selection criteria imo, I mean look at Raqibul - he seems to have a more than decent technique but his test record isn't all that impressive so far. Of course, if you have got huge technical issues such as big shuffle across the stumps or complete inability to get behind the line of the ball which really makes you a walking wicket, that's different - my point is you don't necessarily need to be a Rahul Dravid to survive in international cricket; awareness of one's strength and weaknesses, along with a sound temperament probably goes a long way in making up for technical deficiencies.

However, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to play Naeem against the English - playing Aftab perhaps will. As of Faisal, he's proved himself in domestic cricket and if I remember correctly he didn't do too badly on the Maharashtra tour either, so let him score some runs against the SA & WI A teams and he can then slot into one of the middle order positions in the ODI/test teams - it's not like we have got Kallis, Hussey or Clarke occupying those positions in our team!

kiriket
March 10, 2010, 07:58 AM
You have ATN Bangla, don't you? Just watch what kind of bowlers Faisal facing in the NCL final. Comparing to that, Faisal will have to make a huge adjustment if he is fielded against England team regardless of the nature of the pitch.

IMO, the bottom line is selectors are in a much better position to judge him than any of us here. Most of us are just making guesses on him based on stats where as selectors are watching him in live action.

Ehsen, you are constantly pointing that the bowlers playing in NCL are craps, If that's the case, our Nat'l team is also crap (unless you mean these 3/4 Nat'l bowlers are very different from all the other available). Whats the problem then to include craps in a crap nat'l team?
Same goes to batting, if Standard of NCL is a problem, I dont think adding 14 nat'l players would have changed this league, and you would still call it a Crap league. If everything is crap, select some new craps, whats the problem?

Eshen
March 10, 2010, 08:47 AM
Ehsen, you are constantly pointing that the bowlers playing in NCL are craps, If that's the case, our Nat'l team is also crap (unless you mean these 3/4 Nat'l bowlers are very different from all the other available). Whats the problem then to include craps in a crap nat'l team?
Same goes to batting, if Standard of NCL is a problem, I dont think adding 14 nat'l players would have changed this league, and you would still call it a Crap league. If everything is crap, select some new craps, whats the problem?
See the problem is I am spending hours to explain my viewpoint on selections here and someone like you just jump a on bit or piece I said and make your own interpretation of it.

I never said all NCL players are crap. I don't remember even using the word crap. A more appropriate term for most of them is - mediocre. They grew up playing shorter versions of cricket (often not even 50 overs matches), thus have not developed the thinking process or skills required for longer version matches. However, there are few players who have learnt their basics well, and there is a possibility that if they are coached well can one day turn out to be good Test players. But you can't expect every Tom, Dick, and Harry that plays in NCL to be such case. There got to be a filtering and polishing process before you bring a player in the national team, and that's why we have academy and A-teams for. Every player that we currently have in the national team went through the process (though quite a few of them were fast tracked), it's not like selectors just picked 11 players from domestic leagues and they turned out to be ok.

But yeah, I guess few fans like you will be happier to see selectors playing musical chair with the team like they used to do in olden days.

Eshen
March 10, 2010, 09:00 AM
BTW, fans here that follows international cricket (not only Bangladesh team) should know that SA has one of the best FC leagues in the cricket world. Hashim Amla, who is a product of CSA's youth development, had come into the Test team after dominating the FC league well. Even then, he admitted it was a huge jump for him to make the adjustment from the FC league to Test arena. And here we are complaining about why selectors not letting a player from our ghetto FC league to jump into the Test team!

AK420
March 10, 2010, 09:35 AM
The reality is that, Faisal is a way better player cricketer than our selectors were ever were. If you could omit a player like Ash due to consistent failure, why dont you bring on a good replacement for him. Dickens needs to be chosen in the side, he is a much better player than what the selectors thimk and his domestic stats already reveals the truth. I think the selectors are thinking about the team's future and Dickens might not play more than the other players. But, its not about how the team will do in the future, ITS ABOUT THE PRESENT. You never know when BD Cricket passes away, or EVEN THE WORLD.

AsifTheManRahman
March 10, 2010, 10:14 AM
The reality is that, Faisal is a way better player cricketer than our selectors were ever were.
Umm...they all are.

AsifTheManRahman
March 10, 2010, 10:24 AM
For those who are pointing fingers at the selection of Aftab and Zunaed and linking that to Faisal's exclusion, two wrongs don't make a right. Now I'm not anti-Faisal and I do believe technique can be overrated, albeit in minority cases. However, some players make successful transitions from domestic to international cricket over the span of a couple of years and others don't. The selectors, having been blessed with the opportunity to watch these guys close up, should know who falls in which group. Faisal isn't new to scoring in the NCL - he did it before, was drafted into the main XI and failed. But that was six years ago and things change. People change.

But at this point, we should concentrate more on cutting down on the number of dead woods in the team to make up for our previous sins. When a new guy comes in, we must be absolutely sure he is a good investment. Thus he plays against WI A and SA A at home before we think of calling him up. IMO, we already have enough batting resources in the team and we can certainly pick from within to form a strong XI - we don't need anyone external at this point. Drop Aftab, drop Zunaed and let some of the other guys who've been scoring runs in international cricket move up the order, in their rightful places.

But that's just me.

Tigers_eye
March 10, 2010, 10:29 AM
I just hope the pitch will have something in it for the bowlers. 5 days of cricket only 25 wickets. That is the standard of Domestic cricket. False sense of security. Take them to a little lively wickets and you will see the single digit scores and 15s and 18s.

Baundule
March 10, 2010, 10:37 AM
The selectors, having been blessed with the opportunity to watch these guys close up, should know who falls in which group.

That's over confidence on the selectors. Aftab and Zunaed's selection says it all.

I do not feel much sad if the selectors dump players like Faisal but it gives a bad feeling if they bypass the FC cricket. Places in the national team should be 'earned', not 'gifted' to some players by some selectors. FC, no matter how the quality is, gives the opportunity to earn the selection. If we are talking about the proper process, it should be the FC cricket, not the U-19 world cup. No wonder why we do not improve as a test nation.

AsifTheManRahman
March 10, 2010, 11:35 AM
That's over confidence on the selectors. Aftab and Zunaed's selection says it all.
I did say "should" not "do". :)

The selection process has been flawed since 2001/2002. Prior to that it was easy because we didn't play enough games nor have enough players.

Tiger Manc
March 10, 2010, 11:40 AM
For those who are pointing fingers at the selection of Aftab and Zunaed and linking that to Faisal's exclusion, two wrongs don't make a right. Now I'm not anti-Faisal and I do believe technique can be overrated, albeit in minority cases. However, some players make successful transitions from domestic to international cricket over the span of a couple of years and others don't. The selectors, having been blessed with the opportunity to watch these guys close up, should know who falls in which group. Faisal isn't new to scoring in the NCL - he did it before, was drafted into the main XI and failed. But that was six years ago and things change. People change.

But at this point, we should concentrate more on cutting down on the number of dead woods in the team to make up for our previous sins. When a new guy comes in, we must be absolutely sure he is a good investment. Thus he plays against WI A and SA A at home before we think of calling him up. IMO, we already have enough batting resources in the team and we can certainly pick from within to form a strong XI - we don't need anyone external at this point. Drop Aftab, drop Zunaed and let some of the other guys who've been scoring runs in international cricket move up the order, in their rightful places.

But that's just me.

Yeah spot on mate. We should make sure their ready by giving us good performances in the A team. SA A will be a good test for our players.

Baundule
March 10, 2010, 01:51 PM
I did say "should" not "do". :)



ah, words! :D

yaseer
March 10, 2010, 09:16 PM
Jahurul Islam is called for in place of Raqibul. Still Faisal is ignored.
Now domestic performance is getting paid.

Eshen
March 10, 2010, 09:25 PM
Jahurul Islam is called for in place of Raqibul. Still Faisal is ignored.

Faisal is ignored because he does not bat from any higher than #5 position, where as the team need an option for #3 or #4.

Rath_Mama
March 11, 2010, 06:18 AM
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