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Ishtylish cricketer
March 14, 2010, 09:42 AM
Given the number of chances Mushfiqur Rahim has spilled in the last month or so, his position of playing as a wicketkeeper in the team needs to be reexamined. Although I'm not an expert on the nuances of wicketkeeping and no matter how simple of a statement the following may be, it seems to me that Mushy simply has problem concentrating on the ball and catching it. His foot speed and initial read on the flight, tracking ability when his view is somewhat obstructed also seem poor but due to his batting prowess Bangladesh simply cannot afford to drop him. However, on a team that struggles to get test batsman out, Bangladesh can ill afford to miss the number of simple chances as he did as a wicketkeeper. There are two ways to go about it. Let him develop further by hiring a wicketkeeping expert ie. Ian Healy, Alec Stewart, etc or ask him to relinquish wicketkeeping for the test matches and find a suitable replacement.

What is the best way to handle the Mushy problem? Who should BCB consult or if not who is/are the best option(s) to replace him? I think Shahin is a contender for the job but according to many people on BC forum his batting below international level. All the Bangladesh domestic cricket pundits please unite and let's on BCB's behalf work out a solution for them.

LateCut
March 14, 2010, 10:42 AM
"Short blokes are quite tricky to bowl at," said Swann. "When a chap is knee-high to a grasshopper it's quite hard to get your length right, but he batted really well. It's always nice to have a big guy lunging down the wicket giving you easy bat-pad chances, but I thought Bangladesh batted really well today, in the hour before and the hour after lunch. We'll have our work cut out to bowl them out in the second innings.

That is the funniest compliment I ever heard. As I was watching the game Swan was evidently very frustrated. Too bad he missed the century on account of an excellent piece of fileding. But he is no WK. We need to get real one who grab on to balls and has better reflex.

Fazal
March 14, 2010, 10:48 AM
As ususal the Board as well coach is few steps behind to make a proper steps.

Based on past history they are just ignoring to make corrective measures with the logic is:

1) There is no alternative solution.
2) He will correct himself somehow.

Forgetting that "alternative options" doesn't grow in trees and suddenly this alternative option will not come from heaven unless a) they plan, b) they even give a try to gauge if there really have any alternative option or not.

And Broad need to help the player to correct himself, whether bring specialized coach, send him specialized training or at-least send a to player that this kind of performance in his primary role is not except able and Board is willing to help he need one. Just doing nothing and hoping for miracle is not going to help.

Rahim's dropping catches has more demoralization effect than merely dropping a catch to our already overwhelmed bowlers who are trying their best to fight against much stronger team. Just look at their faces after each missed opportunity by their sub par WC, that tells the whole story how demoralized it is..... and its going for for few years I guess.... no sign of any improvement.... its just getting a regular affair... just look st Rahim's reaction after each drop... the way he smiles looks like he doesn't even recognized it as a series matter.... that tells other side of the story.

Fazal
March 14, 2010, 10:55 AM
Plus stupid Rahim spoiled Naeem test debut batting performance.

!st of all he was too slow taking the first run, and then he was committed to 2nd and then changed his mind forcing Naeem to take U-turn and recover, which Naeem failed.

Aritro
March 14, 2010, 11:19 AM
It's fair to say Mushfiq has made zero improvement as a wicket-keeper since he took Pilot's spot in the team.

I'd like to know what systems are actually in place to develop our keepers, particularly the ones around the national team. We have a tiny coaching staff compared to other teams (this England team, for instance, has just as many support staff as players) and I doubt the support on offer for our national team keepers is too extensive.

However, I do know that wicket-keeping is a vocation at which it's possible to make extreme improvements very quickly. It's nowhere near as nuanced or as complex as batting and bowling and simple repetitive drills that re-inforce relatively fine-tuning in areas like like footwork and positioning can make a huge difference.

I'd point to people like Geraint Jones and Matt Prior as evidence of keepers who progressed from being utterly atrocious to being test standard wicket keepers in a relatively short time after working on a one-to-one basis with good wicket-keeping coaches.

The only thing I can assume from this is that he's just not being put through the right sort of drills, or receiving the right sort of advice from someone with the right knowledge. Surely there's someone in the country who's qualified to be brought in for some temporary one-to-one help?

bangla-red
March 14, 2010, 11:33 AM
Not only is his wicketkeeping crap, but also his running...

dolcevita
March 14, 2010, 11:44 AM
Not only is his wicketkeeping crap, but also his running...

You are right he is still young and often he PANICS thats his real problem he needs to stay calm
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Rabz
March 14, 2010, 12:10 PM
The biggest problem with that run out was that they were not taking ANY singles for a while.
Runs were coming only boundaries and they were not running between the wickets.
That lapse of communication cost us what could have been a different picture.

Mushy's batting is all great at the moment, but he seriously needs to improve his keeping though.

fwullah
March 14, 2010, 12:21 PM
Let Mushfiqur talk to Pilot. Just a chat for about half an hour. Pilot should be the right man to help Mushfiqur out.

Beamer
March 14, 2010, 12:24 PM
I don't think he has any upside left on his keeping. It is incredibly inconsistent. He will have moments of good/great dismissals, separated by regulation let offs. If he can correct his issues and become a consistent keeper, then obviously we are better for it. But, I do not see any signs of that happening. Logical solution will be to make him a specialist batsman in tests, which he is entirely capable of, and he can be a solid middle order bat. The best wkt-keeper available will take over the full time gloves and bat at no.7 or 8. Mushy will continue as a wkt-keeper batsman for ODI's. That is the only logical solution that I can think of. His work behind the stumps in tests leaves a lot to be desired.

rashed411
March 14, 2010, 12:30 PM
Plus stupid Rahim spoiled Naeem test debut batting performance.

!st of all he was too slow taking the first run, and then he was committed to 2nd and then changed his mind forcing Naeem to take U-turn and recover, which Naeem failed.

nayeem debuted last year against NZ..

Dhruvo
March 14, 2010, 12:32 PM
I actually think his keeping went down. I remember the first T20 WC where mushy was excellent except for that one missed catch against sri lanka. However, from then on he just lost concentration and started spilling more catches down. We need to get a wicket keeping coach ASAP.

WarWolf
March 14, 2010, 12:40 PM
I actually think his keeping went down. I remember the first T20 WC where mushy was excellent except for that one missed catch against sri lanka. However, from then on he just lost concentration and started spilling more catches down. We need to get a wicket keeping coach ASAP.

Because his concentration is now divided in a lot other things like managing the field, batting etc.

bdtiger
March 14, 2010, 12:42 PM
i was reading ittefaq and coach salahuddin mentioned that mushy has technical problems for keeping. I agree with him. we tried mushy for a long time. my view is lets keep mushy as our #3/4 batsman and include a keeper.

Ananna
March 14, 2010, 12:53 PM
Not only is his wicketkeeping crap, but also his running...

Ya. Runningwise, he is BD's Inzamam.

AsifTheManRahman
March 14, 2010, 12:58 PM
He isn't swift enough on his feet and definitely doesn't keep his eyes on the ball till the last minute. As a keeper (especially when standing up to slower bowlers), you need to rise from your crouched position with the ball from the point it hits the deck to the point it reaches you. That's a very basic WK technique - you watch the ball hit the ground and start rising as it takes off. Not sure if anyone else feels the same, but from what I've seen, he is sometimes pretty late in getting up. His keeping against pacers is a bit better than that against spinners and that could be one of the reasons.

Rabz
March 14, 2010, 01:04 PM
Thats a great observation, Asif.
I hope the management also sees that.

kazis2007
March 14, 2010, 02:22 PM
keeper needs to be active always but mushy can't concentrate on spin bowling

chol_bd123
March 14, 2010, 04:47 PM
yup, he misses the simplest of catches sometimes.

simon
March 14, 2010, 04:47 PM
I think with hard practicing Mushy should be able to improve his keeping.
WK is not as tricky as batting.

Rommel
March 14, 2010, 04:51 PM
It would be weird seeing Mushy on the field as just a normal fielder.

al Furqaan
March 14, 2010, 05:00 PM
his keeping against pacers isn't bad at all. its standing up to the stumps where he absolutely sucks. can't catch, can't stump, often can't even stop the ball. you might as well not even have a WK.

this is what i propose:

1) find a WK who is better than rahim, even if not good. but he MUST have some batting ability. even slogging 30 off 20 is acceptable for now, in that case bat him at #9 or use as a night watchman if he can stonewall.

2) have two WKs in the squad. either let mushy keep 50% of time, or have mushy just keep to our pacers since he's decent in that regard. this also reduces the burden off him allowing him to bat up the order.

team management needs to get this right. we are losing BIG with rahim in 2 ways, not just one.

1) the runs he concedes when he lets off batsmen. top batters will cash in, i don't know what the numbers are, but i would imagine mushy costs us an average of at least 50 runs per test innings by not taking simple chances.

2) the runs he costs us by not batting up the order. since he's a WK, he can't bat higher than 6 or 7. if he bats at 4, he would be able to score at least 10-20 runs more per innings than he does now, or at least would have that opportunity. his slogging today was due to the fact that razzak and rubel are walking wickets. otherwise easy 100 was on the cards, possibly 150.

if you add that up, 70 runs minimum are lost from our run differential each test innings. that is not peanuts, but a significant number of runs. its the difference between following on and not following on, the difference between innings defeat and not innings defeat, the difference between a win and loss, or a draw and a loss.

Imtiazk
March 14, 2010, 05:09 PM
I really don't see what the problem is.

First, pick the best wicket-keeper. I was very impressed with Dhiman in Australia [ as was Ian Chappell ]. But it can be Saghir or anyone else as long as he is the best.

Then, pick the six best batsmen. Mushfiq walks in with Tamim. Mushfiq should be the natural No.3.

This also means less dropped catches off spinners - our spinners have better control - and, of course, the opposition scores far fewer runs.

Answer = select Mushfiq as a batsman only.

He can continue as a WK in ODIs like Sangakarra, Dravid [ as he used to be before Dhoni ].

Imtiazk
March 14, 2010, 05:13 PM
It would be weird seeing Mushy on the field as just a normal fielder.

I actually saw him fielding at Worcester in 2008 with the Bangladesh "A" team against South Africa. It was an empty ground and you could hear every conversation. He was constantly talking - from mid off !!!

Imtiazk
March 14, 2010, 05:18 PM
He isn't swift enough on his feet and definitely doesn't keep his eyes on the ball till the last minute. As a keeper (especially when standing up to slower bowlers), you need to rise from your crouched position with the ball from the point it hits the deck to the point it reaches you. That's a very basic WK technique - you watch the ball hit the ground and start rising as it takes off. Not sure if anyone else feels the same, but from what I've seen, he is sometimes pretty late in getting up. His keeping against pacers is a bit better than that against spinners and that could be one of the reasons.

A wicket-keeper is judged against slow bowlers, particularly, turners. Keeping to fast bowlers is relatively easy. Diving catches is also his problem as he is vertically challenged ! He doesn't even reach some catches. A good keeper should be able to stand up to medium pacers like Rasel [ or Shahadat these days [sic ]]. I have hardly seen Mushfiq do that.

He is simply not a keeper. We should stop flogging this dead horse. Let him be a world-class batsman !

Imtiazk
March 14, 2010, 05:24 PM
The run out actually exposed our running technique. The most important thing about turning is that you must face the fielder. Both turned blind. Actually, Naeem noticed first, but by this time, he was more than half way down. I don't think Mushfiq even said "No" at this time.

So, it was essentially the fault of both - Naeem's problem was that he was the better runner. Normally this lack of technique would not have been exposed since with anyone other than Carberry this was a two.

Baundule
March 14, 2010, 05:37 PM
Dhiman is a straight-forward solution. I do not understand why many of the BC members do not like him. Is it because he went to the IPL, or we need a Bradmanesque batting from a wicket-keeper?

Zobair
March 14, 2010, 06:05 PM
This is the only sensible solution. One that has been obvious for some time now.

I really don't see what the problem is.

First, pick the best wicket-keeper. I was very impressed with Dhiman in Australia [ as was Ian Chappell ]. But it can be Saghir or anyone else as long as he is the best.

Then, pick the six best batsmen. Mushfiq walks in with Tamim. Mushfiq should be the natural No.3.

This also means less dropped catches off spinners - our spinners have better control - and, of course, the opposition scores far fewer runs.

Answer = select Mushfiq as a batsman only.

He can continue as a WK in ODIs like Sangakarra, Dravid [ as he used to be before Dhoni ].

inspyr9
March 14, 2010, 06:16 PM
first of all why he can continue as a wk in odi? in all forms of cricket he should play as a batsmen. dropped catches cost us in odi too. i agree with baundule. dhiman should play. he has the experience. plus he is good wk. and i am sure he is not gonna do any worse than junaed aftab or imrul.

Zeeshan
March 14, 2010, 06:28 PM
You guys are breaking Mushy's heart for being the next Sanga, Healy, Gilly...

Ajfar
March 14, 2010, 07:47 PM
I say we file a complain to the father?

Fazal
March 14, 2010, 08:43 PM
I say we file a complain to the father?

Or future Father-in-Law?

al-Sagar
March 14, 2010, 09:20 PM
he is going to improve a lot and soon become the no 4 batsman in both test and ODI and also t20. we require him for his grit, abilty to take singles and also some good strokeplay. forget rakibul. mushfiq is 100 times better than rakibul in playing the gritty stabilizer innings.

about his wicket keeping. i think soon we will see a new wicket keeper in the team. sometimes the confidence factor is a key. mushy is low in WK confidence thats the reason he perhaps missing catches. somebody else with higher confidence but lower skill could be useful

Zunaid
March 14, 2010, 09:52 PM
Imtiaz has pretty much said all there is to say about this. I wonder if the team management has the wherewithals to come to the same decision? Sadly, I think not.

al Furqaan
March 14, 2010, 10:09 PM
I really don't see what the problem is.

First, pick the best wicket-keeper. I was very impressed with Dhiman in Australia [ as was Ian Chappell ]. But it can be Saghir or anyone else as long as he is the best.

Then, pick the six best batsmen. Mushfiq walks in with Tamim. Mushfiq should be the natural No.3.

This also means less dropped catches off spinners - our spinners have better control - and, of course, the opposition scores far fewer runs.

Answer = select Mushfiq as a batsman only.

He can continue as a WK in ODIs like Sangakarra, Dravid [ as he used to be before Dhoni ].

if we pick a sp WK without regard to batting ability - which we must, we need to pick a keeper who can at least slog 30 runs off 20 balls or whatever. we can't play just 6 batsmen against 7 and expect a good result.

right now we are playing 8-9 batsmen vs 7 and still getting creamed by 100-200 runs. going with two fewer batsmen will only widen the gap.

Tehsin
March 14, 2010, 10:24 PM
Once again, it baffles me to see that the fans have a clear understanding of what needs to be done and those who can actually make that happen are clueless. Either BCB finds a quick way to help Mushy get his groove back or they find a suitable replacement who can bat a little, specially for tests.

With a lineup of:

Tamim
Imrul/Junaid
Jahurul/Ashraful (better then Aftab)
Mushy
Shakib
Riyad
Nayeem
Shuvo/Faisal
Keeper
Shahadat
Rubel/Shafiul

We'll have eight players who can bat even before we get to the keeper. Nothing wrong with that. If you consider the amount of runs we'd save when the keeper holds on to regulation chances or stops those four byes, the keeper will already have to score less then a batsmen would if Mushy was keeping.

tiger_army
March 15, 2010, 04:40 AM
I dont care.... I want Mushy in the team as batsman

Rabz
March 15, 2010, 04:49 AM
Mushy problem??
C'mon. The boy doesn't have any problem.

He just scored his 1000th run for BD.

Sohel
March 15, 2010, 05:02 AM
Shahin Hossain for tests and Dhiman Ghosh for the shorter versions. Please don't mention batsmen who haven't kept wicket in years just because Crackinfo still lists them as WKs.

GoBoy as specialist batsman at number 4, tests and ODIs.

Aritro
March 15, 2010, 05:49 AM
Shahin Hossain for tests and Dhiman Ghosh for the shorter versions. Please don't mention batsmen who haven't kept wicket in years just because Crackinfo still lists them as WKs.

GoBoy as specialist batsman at number 4, tests and ODIs.

Whos that then?

Sohel
March 15, 2010, 05:54 AM
Whos that then?

Jahurul and a few others.

Imtiazk
March 15, 2010, 06:08 AM
if we pick a sp WK without regard to batting ability - which we must, we need to pick a keeper who can at least slog 30 runs off 20 balls or whatever. we can't play just 6 batsmen against 7 and expect a good result.

right now we are playing 8-9 batsmen vs 7 and still getting creamed by 100-200 runs. going with two fewer batsmen will only widen the gap.

I want our Wally Grout. If he can bat , even better.

Here's a story. When England toured the West Indies in 1967/68 Jim Parks and Alan Knott were the keepers. As usual England, conservative to the bone, picked Parks for his supposedly better batting. After failures in three tests, Knotty played in the fourth, scored 73 not out and saved England. That was more runs than Parks managed in three tests.
Knott kept for England until Bob Taylor, who was also a great keeper.

Knott was probably the greatest of all time.

Tiger Manc
March 15, 2010, 12:46 PM
Why don't we get Pilot to train Mushy?

auntu
March 15, 2010, 12:51 PM
As I was watching the match with my father (a former wicket keeper), he was saying his stance is not perfect and problem lies in his reaction after the ball hits the deck.

Concentration problem and he is not agile.

Ishtylish cricketer
March 15, 2010, 08:44 PM
Can anyone provide the names of wicketkeepers in NCL who are better glovesman than Mushy?

Ishtylish cricketer
March 15, 2010, 08:45 PM
Shahin Hossain for tests and Dhiman Ghosh for the shorter versions. Please don't mention batsmen who haven't kept wicket in years just because Crackinfo still lists them as WKs.

GoBoy as specialist batsman at number 4, tests and ODIs.

I haven't seen much of Shahin but many rate him highly as a wicketkeeper. Can he bat well? Does his batting remind you of any former Bd wk or international player? Whose batting would you say his ressembles? I don't think BCB will call up Dhiman Ghosh anytime soon because he hasn't made enough runs in NCL to warrant a call. From what I remember of his batting he wasn't the glorious hitter of the ball that people were claiming. He failed show what he can supposedly do with the bat against weaken Pakistan team at the time in batting friendly pitches of UAE (when Younis Khan was serving up long hops for fun) and Lahore. Maybe he is an improved batsman now than he was before but how much better. Is he the best option? I am really not for selecting a specialist wicketkeeper in ODIs. If BCB selectors have to pick him due to scarecity of decent wicketkeepers in the nation, I would much rather see him selected for tests than ODIs.

I agree with Mushy batting 4 in tests and 50/50 and maybe opening in T20s alongside Tamim.

Sohel
March 15, 2010, 08:48 PM
@IC: Shahin is a cautious batsman like Pilot.

Bruno
March 15, 2010, 10:31 PM
Is dhiman did not leave for ICL, Mushfiq was all but history after that Australia series.

Aritro
March 16, 2010, 10:26 AM
Whose batting would you say his ressembles? I don't think BCB will call up Dhiman Ghosh anytime soon because he hasn't made enough runs in NCL to warrant a call. From what I remember of his batting he wasn't the glorious hitter of the ball that people were claiming. He failed show what he can supposedly do with the bat against weaken Pakistan team at the time in batting friendly pitches of UAE (when Younis Khan was serving up long hops for fun) and Lahore.

I remember being pretty unimpressed by his batting during the period you mention, but he looked a lot better when we played Australia in 2008. Don't know how many runs he made, but he struck the ball quite cleanly.

I also have to disagree with you about selecting specialist keepers. Yes, we are now in an era in which most sides pick keepers based on batting ability but IMO that's only a good ploy if you're selecting a player whose wicket-keeping is at least up to a certain minimum standard for international cricket. And IMO Mushfiq's keeping is nowhere near that standard.

A high-quality test keeper would only need to come in at number 8 and average 15 with the bat to justify his place in our side IMO. If you take into account the number of byes Mushfiq lets through, and the runs that batsmen go on to make after he drops or fails to stump them, then a good keeper who doesn't make those mistakes would actually be worth anywhere between 15-100 runs to us because of his keeping alone. Which of course would more than make up for the shortfall in the runs that he scores with the bat.

And if this hypothetical keeper did indeed average only 15 in the bat, then he'd actually only be averaging five less than the Aftab/Imrul type 'batsmen' we'd be dropping to make way for him.

EDIT: Sorry, I've just realise d that you were talking specifically about ODIs. Ignore the above. :P

AK420
March 16, 2010, 10:45 AM
His problems:
1) He has been appointed the pressureful(no real word) rank of Vice Captain
2) He is one of the worst WK ever
3) He is too short and one reason why he gets other batsmen runout, knowing that the someone will get out.

Anyway he is a good test batsmen, not to mention ODIs

zainab
March 18, 2010, 06:15 AM
Well guys, some food for thought in your barrage of criticisms against Mushy, he is one of my favourite little guys, so cute and innocent looking, who cant help but love him.

Rahim just behind Dhoni
Now the 2nd ranked keeper-batsman
Icc Media Release.

Despite defeat in the first Test in Chittagong, there is some positive and encouraging news for Bangladesh. Captain Shakib Al Hasan climbed to fifteenth position by improving his ranking by three places following his match figures of 5-195 and Mushfiqur Rahim became the second highest-ranked wicketkeeper-batsman after India's Mahendra Singh Dhoni in the Reliance Mobile ICC Player Rankings for Test batsmen.
Mushfiqur, who scored 79 and 95 in a lost cause, has rocketed 12 places to jump to a career-best 34th position, seven places and 78 ratings points behind the India captain.

The 21-year-old from Bogra is, however, ahead of more experienced and established wicketkeeper-batsmen in the likes of New Zealander Brendon McCullum and Australia's Brad Haddin, who share 35th spot, Pakistan's Kamran Akmal (38th), South Africa's Mark Boucher (39th), England's Matt Prior (43rd), Sri Lanka's Prasanna Jayawardena (57th) and the West Indies' Denesh Ramdin (69th).
End of quote.

All Mushy needs now is for BCB to employ a good wicket keeping coach for him and he will be spot on. I have noticed that he plays a bit more aggressively now and is not scared of bowlers anymore. He has emerged as a star and reliable batsman for BD.

simon
March 18, 2010, 09:31 AM
Well guys, some food for thought in your barrage of criticisms against Mushy, he is one of my favourite little guys, so cute and innocent looking, who cant help but love him.

Rahim just behind Dhoni
Now the 2nd ranked keeper-batsman
Icc Media Release.

Despite defeat in the first Test in Chittagong, there is some positive and encouraging news for Bangladesh. Captain Shakib Al Hasan climbed to fifteenth position by improving his ranking by three places following his match figures of 5-195 and Mushfiqur Rahim became the second highest-ranked wicketkeeper-batsman after India's Mahendra Singh Dhoni in the Reliance Mobile ICC Player Rankings for Test batsmen.
Mushfiqur, who scored 79 and 95 in a lost cause, has rocketed 12 places to jump to a career-best 34th position, seven places and 78 ratings points behind the India captain.

The 21-year-old from Bogra is, however, ahead of more experienced and established wicketkeeper-batsmen in the likes of New Zealander Brendon McCullum and Australia's Brad Haddin, who share 35th spot, Pakistan's Kamran Akmal (38th), South Africa's Mark Boucher (39th), England's Matt Prior (43rd), Sri Lanka's Prasanna Jayawardena (57th) and the West Indies' Denesh Ramdin (69th).
End of quote.

All Mushy needs now is for BCB to employ a good wicket keeping coach for him and he will be spot on. I have noticed that he plays a bit more aggressively now and is not scared of bowlers anymore. He has emerged as a star and reliable batsman for BD.

Grt news,thanks.
And u r right,no need to give the gloves to some1 else,Mushy needs to prctce harder
with a WK coach.
If we appoint another WK & make Mushy a spclst btsmn who knows what happens to his mindset.

Eshen
March 18, 2010, 12:08 PM
Well guys, some food for thought in your barrage of criticisms against Mushy, he is one of my favourite little guys, so cute and innocent looking, who cant help but love him.
I don't think anyone here hates him, though everyone may not be crazy about him for his cuteness. However, that should not mean the team's interest should be sacrificed for his sake.

Rahim just behind Dhoni
Now the 2nd ranked keeper-batsman
Icc Media Release.

Despite defeat in the first Test in Chittagong, there is some positive and encouraging news for Bangladesh. Captain Shakib Al Hasan climbed to fifteenth position by improving his ranking by three places following his match figures of 5-195 and Mushfiqur Rahim became the second highest-ranked wicketkeeper-batsman after India's Mahendra Singh Dhoni in the Reliance Mobile ICC Player Rankings for Test batsmen.
Mushfiqur, who scored 79 and 95 in a lost cause, has rocketed 12 places to jump to a career-best 34th position, seven places and 78 ratings points behind the India captain.

The 21-year-old from Bogra is, however, ahead of more experienced and established wicketkeeper-batsmen in the likes of New Zealander Brendon McCullum and Australia's Brad Haddin, who share 35th spot, Pakistan's Kamran Akmal (38th), South Africa's Mark Boucher (39th), England's Matt Prior (43rd), Sri Lanka's Prasanna Jayawardena (57th) and the West Indies' Denesh Ramdin (69th).Here they are talking about batting ranking for keepers, not about their keeping skills. We all know that Mushfiq has improved a lot as a batsman lately, don't need ICC to tell us that.

Eshen
March 18, 2010, 01:05 PM
Well, looks like the management will go from one dumb decision to another - they are thinking about debuting Jahurul Islam (who keeps wicket only occasionally in domestic matches) as a keeper!

- daily star

I guess Jahurul, being a part time keeper, will make fair amount of mistakes in this match, and then Siddons will use that performance to justify his claim that Mushfiq is the best keeper in the country.

AsifTheManRahman
March 18, 2010, 01:16 PM
That would be a terrible mistake. It might mean that they'll let Mushfiq bat up the order, but this sounds more like a temp solution to me. If they go with it, I won't be surprised as trying to make out of players what they are not has become this management's culture.

Fazal
March 18, 2010, 03:45 PM
I think after Rahim was punched in the face by the waiter one+ years ago, his Wicket keeping went downward. He treat each ball as if another blow is comming on his way.

We need to find that waiter and force him to apologize and as a makeup kiss Rakim's cheek... we need a closure of that incident.

Eshen
March 18, 2010, 03:56 PM
From what I read in Prothom-Alo, it seems the management is not looking for a replacement for Mushfiq, but just wants to relieve some pressure off Mushfiq at this point by using Jahurul as a keeper.

Again, an individual comes before the team!

AsifTheManRahman
March 18, 2010, 04:02 PM
Wonder if they are going to be sharing WK duties in the next match.

meazz1
March 18, 2010, 04:11 PM
i think after rahim was punched in the face by the waiter one+ years ago, his wicket keeping went downward. He treat each ball as if another blow is comming on his way.

We need to find that waiter and force him to apologize and as a makeup kiss rakim's cheek... We need a closure of that incident.

lol

M.H.Rubel
March 18, 2010, 06:01 PM
In last DPL Jahuru Islam was the keeper of Biman it looks he had a mediocre performance 13 dismissal in 16 matches.
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nahaz
March 18, 2010, 06:15 PM
Well, looks like the management will go from one dumb decision to another - they are thinking about debuting Jahurul Islam (who keeps wicket only occasionally in domestic matches) as a keeper!

- daily star

I guess Jahurul, being a part time keeper, will make fair amount of mistakes in this match, and then Siddons will use that performance to justify his claim that Mushfiq is the best keeper in the country.

That is a donwright stupid move! For two reasons:

1) Jahurul is mainly a batsman. He doesn't even keep in NCL. So why make him a test keeper? Does look like they want to justify Mushfique's keeping.

2) Jahurul is a fantastic opening prospect. By making him keep, he will be too tired to play his role as an opener, and will flop. On top of that he'll be debuting. He will lose a lot of confidence by the end of the match, not being helped by being thrown the keeper's duty.Dropping catches never helps anyone's confidence.

Good luck J Omi, if you debut.

Eshen
March 18, 2010, 06:28 PM
That is a donwright stupid move! For two reasons:

1) Jahurul is mainly a batsman. He doesn't even keep in NCL. So why make him a test keeper? Does look like they want to justify Mushfique's keeping.

2) Jahurul is a fantastic opening prospect. By making him keep, he will be too tired to play his role as an opener, and will flop. On top of that he'll be debuting. He will lose a lot of confidence by the end of the match, not being helped by being thrown the keeper's duty.Dropping catches never helps anyone's confidence.

Yep.

Siddons needed to use the time before the 2nd Test to prepare Omi against short pitched deliveries. Instead he is wasting half of the time trying to make a keeper out of him, thus setting up the guy for failure in both departments.

Beamer
March 19, 2010, 12:01 PM
Nothing indicates that Jahurul will keep in this match. He is replacing Aftab, a straight swap with a batsman.

magic boy
March 19, 2010, 12:11 PM
So a big surprise awaiting for us in last match. who's gonna do wicket keeping !! also where will Jahirul bat at!

Beamer
March 19, 2010, 12:11 PM
That is a donwright stupid move! For two reasons:

1) Jahurul is mainly a batsman. He doesn't even keep in NCL. So why make him a test keeper? Does look like they want to justify Mushfique's keeping.

2) Jahurul is a fantastic opening prospect. By making him keep, he will be too tired to play his role as an opener, and will flop. On top of that he'll be debuting. He will lose a lot of confidence by the end of the match, not being helped by being thrown the keeper's duty.Dropping catches never helps anyone's confidence.

Good luck J Omi, if you debut.

I would agree with you if your answer was based on factual circumstances. See, you are responding to a fabricated assumption, which is not a fact at this point. If he keeps tomorrow, then I would agree with you, as it would be a bad mistake on part of management. Until then, its a mindless dribble, not you or your response, but the feeble insinuation that the management wants Jahurul to fail with gloves so they can claim Mushy's superiority with it. Total garbage.

al-Sagar
March 19, 2010, 12:58 PM
jahurul will bat at four but i think no 2 position will open for him very soon.

and has junaid ever shared keeping with mushy....no
so will jahurul share keeping with mushy....no

auntu
March 19, 2010, 01:43 PM
Nothing indicates that Jahurul will keep in this match. He is replacing Aftab, a straight swap with a batsman.
He had a training period with Nasu and JS on keeping.
As per Prothom Alo.:

[বাংলা]কাল অনুশীলনের আবহে আরেকটা পরিবর্তনের গুঞ্জনও বেশ ঘুরে বেড়াল। গুঞ্জনটা সত্যি হলে আফতাব আহমেদের জায়গায় এই টেস্টেই অভিষেক হয়ে যেতে পারে জহুরুল ইসলামের। ইনডোরের নেট প্র্যাকটিসে তাঁকে নিয়ে দীর্ঘ সময় কাটিয়েছেন কোচ। শুরুতে জহুরুল উইকেটকিপিং প্র্যাকটিসও করলেন লম্বা সময় নিয়ে।
জহুরুলের কিপিং প্র্যাকটিস দ্বিধাদ্বন্দ্বে ফেলে দেওয়ার মতোই ব্যাপার। মূলত ব্যাটসম্যান হলেও ঘরোয়া ক্রিকেটে টুকটাক উইকেটকিপিং করেন। উইকেটের পেছনে মুশফিকুর রহিমের ব্যর্থতায় দুইয়ে দুইয়ে চার মেলালে প্রশ্নটা আসেই—তবে কি মুশফিকের ওপর চাপ কমাতে চাইছে টিম ম্যানেজমেন্ট? থিংক ট্যাংকের সঙ্গে কথা বলে অবশ্য সরাসরি ‘হ্যাঁ’ বা ‘না’ কোনোটাই শোনা যায়নি। তবে নাম প্রকাশে অনিচ্ছুক দায়িত্বশীল একজন সম্ভাবনা উড়িয়ে দিচ্ছেন না, ‘কাঁধের ইনজুরির কারণে গত প্রিমিয়ার লিগে মুশফিকুর কিপিং করেছে খুবই কম। এই সিরিজে তার মিসগুলো হয়তো সেটারই জের। ওর যদি কিপিং থেকে বিশ্রাম প্রয়োজন হয়, অমিকে (জহুরুল) দিয়ে চেষ্টা করানো যেতেও পারে। তবে তার আগে অমিকে একাদশে আসতে হবে।’[/বাংলা]

[বাংলা]প্রথম আলো (http://www.prothom-alo.com/detail/date/2010-03-19/news/49935)[/বাংলা]

Imtiazk
March 20, 2010, 11:37 AM
@IC: Shahin is a cautious batsman like Pilot.


Nothing wrong with that. Mashud held up many innings for Bangladesh to stagger to 170 after the usual 50/5.

I saw Dhiman in Australia, excellent keeping and batting was certainly adequate.

One more point regarding batting line-up.

The usual reason given for wicket-keepers who are batsmen in their own right [ e.g. Gilchrist ] to come in at No.7 has been that they need "rest". However, that presupposes that the first six are less "tired".

Question: Who is more "tired" ? Mushfiq or Shakib ? Shakib, after all bowls at least 30 overs. He is making the slog-sweep his primary shot and is quickly migrating from being a batsman all-rounder to a bowler all-rounder. Some of his pre-meditated shots have been dreadful !

Dhiman at No.8, I say. I have not seen Shahin. I will accept Sohel's better judgement on this for the time being.