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Rifat
March 14, 2010, 01:05 PM
Even though he got out to a run out yesterday, I was thoroughly impressed with the way Naeem Islam negotiated Yorkers, Bouncers from Broad, Bresnan alike..., which goes to show he is being wasted at #9. He provided Excellent support to Rahim, Rotating strike and putting the good balls away.(Something our Top order batsmen FAILED to provide to on-song Tamim Iqbal!)

for a period of time, Bangladesh's 8th Wicket Partnership was putting England to Worry, Well, Lemme tell you, IT is not like they were bowling Crap,They were bowling really really good, Bresnan Getting Maiden's after Maidens and testing Naeem and Rahim with the short deliveries and consistently bowling deliveries on the good areas with challenging pace.


He has all the materials for a solid Top/middle order Batmsen i don't know what is in te minds interests of coach/management, but he definitely deserves a promotion up the order.

Think about it, Naeem Islam is a Batsmen in the domestic league with an average far better than most of our batsmen, Why then is the management not using him as a Top Order/Middle Order batsmen then just a bits and pieces allrounder, in internatonal cricket?

Ananna
March 14, 2010, 01:10 PM
Even though he got out to a run out yesterday, I was thoroughly impressed with the way Naeem Islam negotiated Yorkers, Bouncers from Broad, Bresnan alike..., which goes to show he is being wasted at #9. He provided Excellent support to Rahim, Rotating strike and putting the good balls away.(Something our Top order batsmen FAILED to provide to on-song Tamim Iqbal!)

for a period of time, Bangladesh's 8th Wicket Partnership was putting England to Worry, Well, Lemme tell you, IT is not like they were bowling Crap,They were bowling really really good, Bresnan Getting Maiden's after Maidens and testing Naeem and Rahim with the short deliveries and consistently bowling deliveries on the good areas with challenging pace.


He has all the materials for a solid Top/middle order Batmsen i don't know what is in te minds interests of coach/management, but he definitely deserves a promotion up the order.

Think about it, Naeem Islam is a Batsmen in the domestic league with an average far better than most of our batsmen, Why then is the management not using him as a Top Order/Middle Order batsmen then just a bits and pieces allrounder, in internatonal cricket?

His defense looked very solid. He can definately bat in the top order. The cover drive he played agianst bresnan (or may be finn) was awesome. May be shot of the day.

AsifTheManRahman
March 14, 2010, 01:15 PM
Mushy and Nayeem had the right approach. The fast bowling was pretty good even for a dead surface and Swann wasn't giving away too many freebies. I was especially impressed with the way they dealt with the short stuff, more so after having watched Imrul and Zunaed make a mockery out of themselves the other day. Yes, they had some trouble against the yorkers and yes they nicked a few (Mushy was even dropped on sixty something), but the approach was right. When the going gets tough, you do NOT take the attack to the bowlers, not in Test cricket. You see them off. That's what they did with the second new ball too, which prompted Radhuni to bring in his Haash.

I've always felt, from whatever I've seen and read about Nayeem, that he is the kind of guy who can be very successful as a middle order batsman. His FC records support that too. I'm not totally against them trying him out at #8 now if that means he will be batting higher in six months, just like MaRi. But he is a middle order batsman who can bowl a bit and that's that. If we don't use his skills, we have only ourselves to blame.

One technical glitch in Nayeem's batting - and something I'm sure he will fix with more games against good bowlers (and that's why we need him to face the music a lot more) - is that he doesn't get forward enough or close enough to the pitch of the ball against pacers, which exposes him to stuff pitched three quarters up the track, inducing outside edges against defensive strokes.

mishu
March 14, 2010, 01:17 PM
they should occupy the 3rd and 4th spot in OdI and i think Mushfiq shud stay a bit at lower side for test because he is able to hold on when everything is breaking apart but naeem and mahmudullah needs to move up...as aftab and junaed are just waste of wickets..

AsifTheManRahman
March 14, 2010, 01:22 PM
Also, we're putting too much pressure on Shakib, Riyad, Mushfiq and now Nayeem by depending upon them to click in every inning of every Test match. Even Tamim, who starts with a clean slate being an opener, has to feel the pressure. We need to fix our problems in the middle order soon because these guys won't perform everyday and if all of them fail in a given inning, God help us because the idiots up the order will never score.

It doesn't hurt to give our best batsmen the opportunity to come out to bat when the score isn't 0/3 once in a while.

FagunerAgun
March 14, 2010, 01:23 PM
Nice thread, Rifat.
Actually, only Naeem and Mushy played test cricket yesterday.
Naeem deserves to be in the team, because he is not nervous with the bat and I like his technical skills and applications.

alibangali
March 14, 2010, 01:26 PM
He did well but its too early to promote him. First thing they should do is actually to include him in the playing 11 frequently in tests.
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dolcevita
March 14, 2010, 01:32 PM
they should occupy the 3rd and 4th spot in OdI and i think Mushfiq shud stay a bit at lower side for test because he is able to hold on when everything is breaking apart but naeem and mahmudullah needs to move up...as aftab and junaed are just waste of wickets..

Imagine if only kayes , aftab and junaid would have score around 150 runs...
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M.H.Rubel
March 14, 2010, 01:38 PM
I was not impressed with Naeem he struggled a lot wit lots of flushing outside the off stump.But i was impressed with his temperament.
I think it will be better for Naeem to score runes in lower order get confidence and come up.
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dolcevita
March 14, 2010, 02:06 PM
I was not impressed with Naeem he struggled a lot wit lots of flushing outside the off stump.But i was impressed with his temperament.
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I will over the moon if kayes junaid and aftab can play 15 overs each no matter the runs they score and how they struggle
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al Furqaan
March 14, 2010, 04:53 PM
Mushy and Nayeem had the right approach. The fast bowling was pretty good even for a dead surface and Swann wasn't giving away too many freebies. I was especially impressed with the way they dealt with the short stuff, more so after having watched Imrul and Zunaed make a mockery out of themselves the other day. Yes, they had some trouble against the yorkers and yes they nicked a few (Mushy was even dropped on sixty something), but the approach was right. When the going gets tough, you do NOT take the attack to the bowlers, not in Test cricket. You see them off. That's what they did with the second new ball too, which prompted Radhuni to bring in his Haash.

I've always felt, from whatever I've seen and read about Nayeem, that he is the kind of guy who can be very successful as a middle order batsman. His FC records support that too. I'm not totally against them trying him out at #8 now if that means he will be batting higher in six months, just like MaRi. But he is a middle order batsman who can bowl a bit and that's that. If we don't use his skills, we have only ourselves to blame.

One technical glitch in Nayeem's batting - and something I'm sure he will fix with more games against good bowlers (and that's why we need him to face the music a lot more) - is that he doesn't get forward enough or close enough to the pitch of the ball against pacers, which exposes him to stuff pitched three quarters up the track, inducing outside edges against defensive strokes.

yes, spot on.

i too was very impressed. whats unfortunate, or perhaps fortunate is that when people think of bangladeshi batsmen, of course everyone and their mothers know about tamim. but people are now beginning to recognize riyad and rahim as well. but what people remember and think about most often is imrul and junaid and the absolute ineptness they represent + aftab and the absolute idiocy he represents.

in time this will change...its already changing. people now laugh at BD cricket but they're really laughing out of spite. they see the real development however slow it may be and recognize that we can be a threat someday in the forseeable future, and that gets their thongs in a knot.

really glad that naeem has joined the foray and that our big 4 has expanded to a big 5 (big by our standards, nothing on the level of sehfag-gambhir-srt-dravid-laxman).

but this is miles better than what we had in bashar-rafique-pilot-ashraful era.

the future is most certainly bright(er).

chol_bd123
March 14, 2010, 04:53 PM
he batted briallantly yesterday. I am happy to see that he didnt go after the bowlers. He way he was batting, he could have scored big if it werent for Mushy

taklima_naj
March 14, 2010, 08:28 PM
That I has been wanting for a long time, but whats the point management dont understand anything. He is the player who can defense, rotate strike , slog even, So he should bat up the order. In that order Aftab can come down the order in ODI and in test ( if he plays).

Fazal
March 14, 2010, 08:29 PM
Naeen proved that he is for real and given chance he can be potential future solution to top order (#4 to #6) batting solution.

He invalidated the logic "we don't have alternative" when trying to justify why proven failure of recent time like Ash/Junaid/Afab is being recycled again and again.

Its time to really look seriously to the pool of players with recent success in local league and give them a try .... there is plenty of alternatives, only if we are willing to open our minds and look for it.

Yes Naeem, You made me proud for your batting performance...young players like you who is still keeping me interested in this team.

roman
March 14, 2010, 09:08 PM
I think its way too early for Nayeem to go up the order. We should give him more time and let him prove himself like Riyad did.

al-Sagar
March 14, 2010, 09:28 PM
9 is too down. we need him in the top order but 1st let him play some more games at low order but not less than 7.

al-Sagar
March 14, 2010, 09:40 PM
some of naeems good knocks in academy teams when he batted top order

http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/engine/match/345242.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368430.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368434.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368431.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368433.html

Rifat
March 14, 2010, 10:03 PM
some of naeems good knocks in academy teams when he batted top order

http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/engine/match/345242.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368430.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368434.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368431.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368433.html

thank You Offstump Bhai for your Research :big_hug:

wiseshah
March 14, 2010, 10:10 PM
some of naeems good knocks in academy teams when he batted top order

http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/engine/match/345242.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368430.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368434.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368431.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/engine/current/match/368433.html


good finding off stump. seems like he delivered in every matches. definitely he should bat in his position, which is number 3 or number 4

al Furqaan
March 14, 2010, 10:14 PM
Naeen proved that he is for real and given chance he can be potential future solution to top order (#4 to #6) batting solution.

He invalidated the logic "we don't have alternative" when trying to justify why proven failure of recent time like Ash/Junaid/Afab is being recycled again and again.

Its time to really look seriously to the pool of players with recent success in local league and give them a try .... there is plenty of alternatives, only if we are willing to open our minds and look for it.

Yes Naeem, You made me proud for your batting performance...young players like you who is still keeping me interested in this team.

well there is a difference between Naeem and these Jahurul islam characters that impress in the NCL.

naeem played u19 cricket, academy cricket, a team cricket, domestic cricket for years before he was selected even as a drinks boy. he and aftab played together on u19 cricket. aftab debuted in 2004, naeem four years later in late 2008 after the ICL drama. naeem was also solid for those four years.

beyond current crop, the bench doesn't look good. it will be more of a repeat of junaid/imrul/aftab 14 runs from three batsmen.

ashraful may well come back into the side in a years time...i for one hope he gets his pre siddons form back, but am prepared to move on.

things are so bad with imrul, that i found myself thinking "dude, we should bring JO back into the test side".

when JO cracks the playing XI...you know there is truth to the statement "there is no substitute".

but JO will at least eat up deliveries even if he doesn't score 30+ runs.

Ajfar
March 14, 2010, 10:19 PM
I agree with AMTR bhai I have no problem with letting Nayeem bat down the order for now, assuming when he starts to perform on a regular basis like Riyad, he will move up the order.

Catskills
March 14, 2010, 10:36 PM
The problem is that our coach does not think that Naeem is a good batsman. Naeem came at the cost of Raqibul's sudden so called retirement, otherwise Naeem would not have played this test. Our coach thinks Imrul, Aftab and Zunaeed are much better players than Naeem, which is really shocking to most of the BD fans.

IanW
March 15, 2010, 08:59 AM
Well, Junaid hasnt failed that badly this innings.

As far as batting up the order, well, lets see how he goes in the future - Mahmadullah's old spot is vacant, after all.

al-Sagar
March 15, 2010, 10:35 AM
good finding off stump. seems like he delivered in every matches. definitely he should bat in his position, which is number 3 or number 4

i have followed him for a long time... specially when he was named the Michael Bevan.

Ashfaq
March 15, 2010, 10:39 AM
This his acid test. Let's see what is Naeem made of. How long can he stay in the crease?

AsifTheManRahman
March 15, 2010, 10:39 AM
i have followed him for a long time... specially when he was named the Michael Bevan.
Exactly. Some of those stats are old news for a lot of us, which adds to the pain of watching him being ignored for Tests for so long and batting so low down the order when he does get the nod.

auntu
March 15, 2010, 12:22 PM
Good thread Rifat.

I'm always a big fan of Naeem and it feels bad to see him batting at no#8 or 9 whereas in the same line you would see Aftab bat at no#4. :(

He was always a top order batsman and he should be given that spot again. It's not bad bad also to gain some experience at the lower middle order. Now he can settle more quickly.

Beamer
March 15, 2010, 12:40 PM
I was very impressed with his recognition of balls in and around the off stump channel. He left many deliveries that a lot of our top order batsmen would unnecessarily chase. That is my number one criteria that separates a solid batsman versus a pretender. Sure, he was troubled when it started to reverse, but that troubles even great batsmen. We also know that he can hit cleanly when its required in ODI late order. He removes his front foot cleanly to give himself room to get underneath the ball for elevation. So, he is able to switch his style of batting in hours of need and requirements. He can bat up the order in tests, but I think he will have to take the route that Riyad has taken. Bat lower, then eventually earn a move up. He is a fine prospect.

Cricmas
March 15, 2010, 12:49 PM
Nice thread, Rifat.
Actually, only Naeem and Mushy played test cricket yesterday.
Naeem deserves to be in the team, because he is not nervous with the bat and I like his technical skills and applications.

Agree that. Naeem is a fearless guy. No nerves. Seen him hitting 3 sixers in a match against ZIM. Which we won marginally.
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LBW103
October 14, 2011, 07:07 AM
OPENING BATSMAN OPPORTUNITY - bats so slowly that the team loses. Poor technique, no idea how to rotate strike, misses 4 balls out of 5.

EPIC FAIL :floor:

Rifat
October 14, 2011, 08:06 AM
I hate how sometimes BC fans go through "Mood Swings" we win one match, we become world champs, and then we lose one match we are the worst team in the world. ok maybe i am exaggerating a bit but come on, one innings and you are going to take Naeem Islam off the top order. I say he should have more chances at the top order. particularly at #3...

ahnaf
October 14, 2011, 09:59 AM
There is not that much difference between open and no. 3.. Naeem is not a top order material.. Particularly for ODI.. ok for Test..
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lamisa
October 14, 2011, 12:48 PM
look at his SR later on. it was decent.

Fazal
October 15, 2011, 03:38 AM
nah... he is too slow... plus he stick in the pitch for too long. Let our mar danga batsman play first ahead of him.

Nadim
October 15, 2011, 03:44 AM
nah... he is too slow... plus he stick in the pitch for too long. Let our mar danga batsman play first ahead of him.

....and 1-3 in 1.5 overs!!! so what?

ahnaf
October 15, 2011, 03:53 AM
^ How you can say naeem would stay there when everyone is goner?
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Fazal
October 15, 2011, 06:35 AM
Hmmm... good question. His first two ODI score in this series must be fluke.

simon
October 15, 2011, 06:42 AM
atleast he scores runs...
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lamisa
October 15, 2011, 12:30 PM
unlike the top 3! ^^^

taklima_naj
October 15, 2011, 12:45 PM
people should we realize we just dont need mardanga type batsmen, we need more like Nayeem type batsman who can solidate innings, take 1,2s though he need to improve a lot

chinaman_f
October 15, 2011, 11:59 PM
I think Naeem has shown maturity with his batting, he's shown he's ready to grind it out, and he's backed up his fifty (that earned him so many brickbats) with a solid 30-odd. I say Naeem for no.5 . Get rid of Alok.

LBW103
October 16, 2011, 01:59 AM
I think Naeem has shown maturity with his batting, he's shown he's ready to grind it out, and he's backed up his fifty (that earned him so many brickbats) with a solid 30-odd. I say Naeem for no.5 . Get rid of Alok.

Naeem can only sweep well. This is his main shot. If he cannot sweep he gets bogged down.

Bearing this in mind, do you really feel that he has the required skill level of a reliable and good International number 5 batter?

WarWolf
October 16, 2011, 02:18 AM
Naeem is completely a front foot player who has problems with his stance and grip. He needs to work with that. But I like his temperament. He can offer us something good specially in our test team. For the ODI team I think he needs to really improve.

Gowza
October 16, 2011, 07:23 AM
imo pretty ridiculous how people are bashing naeem for his 50 odd the other match when he has just come back into the team, it's his first time opening and he's one of the only BD batsmen to score any decent amount of runs. also he's backed it up with a 30, again, when not many others scored too many runs. he's been given another chance in the team and so far has done better than most of the other batsmen so i think it's pretty unfair to bash the fellow at this stage. keep in mind he opened in one innings and batted at like 7 in the other and scored runs both times, that's shows maturity!

lamisa
October 16, 2011, 09:14 AM
naeem is a must for tests

chinaman_f
October 16, 2011, 09:57 AM
Naeem can only sweep well. This is his main shot. If he cannot sweep he gets bogged down.

Bearing this in mind, do you really feel that he has the required skill level of a reliable and good International number 5 batter?

LBW103, how much of Naeem's scoring in the first two ODI's have come off sweeps?

On a related note - I'm not trying to compare here, keep in mind, just trying to show you through example - one of the most successful ever test batsmen was a compulsive puller, and (with all due respect to him, he scored runs regularly when nobody else did) had very shitty technique. What does that prove?

Naeem's in form, he brings a bowling variation to the side, he's an energetic fielder, and so far, ONE THE TWO MOST SUCCESSFUL BATSMEN FOR US IN THIS SERIES!