View Full Version : Shakib's field placing and obsession with bowling razzak

March 21, 2010, 02:56 PM
Shakib seemed like he had some brains in the first half of the day but the way he continued to bowl Razzak and his field placing against Ian Bell allowing Bell to take easy singles is beyond stupidity. Razzak needs to be dropped for the sake of the team along with Bhimrul. He is soooo lucky that he was playing against an England top order who don't play spin too well. Imagine if Razzak bowled against any other subcontinent team or Australia.How many times can a SLA bowl down the leg side like that. BD essentially lost the plot in that session allowing England to come back into the game. They need to get rid of him. He is not accurate at all and was undoing all the pressure created by shakib. It was some of the most painful cricket ever watched. Shakib needs to give his head a shake. He seems very stubborn. These sorts of poor decisions and players will continue to cost BD wins and competitiveness.

March 21, 2010, 04:41 PM
It was frustrating watching English getting a way with the pressure that was built around them. I thought he will bring back much more effective bowler like Mahmudullah. I just did not get it why it took long to figure that out.
However I reserve my judgement till the end of the game and I would be glad to know details of the frustration period, when Razzak was bowling, whether Mahmud was off the field earlier, hence as per law he could not bowl until such time. I do not know everything.
The best thing is to be patient.

March 21, 2010, 10:36 PM
shakib and razzak starting again

March 21, 2010, 11:46 PM
i cant staqnd this ..what the hell is he trying to do

March 21, 2010, 11:47 PM
Razzak to continue. He really needs to find a consistent line and some rhythm as quickly as possible

March 21, 2010, 11:47 PM
wide delivery one after another
short and wide

March 22, 2010, 12:03 AM
Razzak has thrown away the inititive and any pressure that was building on the English batsmen, i cant understand why they keep giving him the ball??

March 22, 2010, 08:16 AM
Why not Mahmud and Naeed?
Is he scared that if these two get wicket on regular basis then all of a sudden he will not deem so important to the team?

March 22, 2010, 09:19 AM
Why not Mahmud and Naeed?
Is he scared that if these two get wicket on regular basis then all of a sudden he will not deem so important to the team?


March 22, 2010, 09:32 AM
^^^ I don't like how some of you guys are coming up with this conspiracy theory Shakib is afraid that Nayeem or Riyad will snatch away his limelight. I agree that shakib didn't use Nayeem or Riyad enough but seriously he is not like that. Wasn't it just the other day he stuck up for the entire team when kamal questioned their commitment??

dark mage
March 22, 2010, 10:09 AM
And anyways, trust me no bowler would like to continue bowling for 52 overs in that humid sweltering heat. Shakib did it because he had no better bowler than himself and not because, he was scared Naeem-Mahamudullah will get more limelight and get more wickets than him. Atleast apreciate the awesome way Shakib bowled, not many bowlers in test cricket do that, I mean just check out his economy and number of Maidens. And honestly, Naeem's bowling is totally ineffective, have yu seen him bowl when he got his chance n this match? There was no turn for him, very slow in the air or off the pitch, bowled lollipoop ball. But I admit Mahamudullah looked more threatening than Razzak, but you have to remember Mahamud cany bowl well for log stretches, he loses patience and focus if he bowls for too long

March 22, 2010, 11:00 AM
I reckon the idea was to spin it away from the right-hander and Mahmudullah and Naeem are not capable of doing that by definition (i.e. being offies). A lot rested on Razzak and he failed. We need to look at other SLA options, yes, but Enam and Shuvo aren't exactly geniuses.

March 22, 2010, 12:45 PM
Razzak was always the big thing when playing associates and zim. He never was anything better. And after rectifying his action, he is probably worse than Ash the bowler (I know the sla vs leggie difference).

If Razzak can play, I think we should get back Ash instead of him. He will be a better bowler and his batting is a plus.

March 22, 2010, 01:11 PM
Razzak was always the big thing when playing associates and zim. He never was anything better.
That's not true. He was very good in ODIs and T20s even against decent sides. But yeah, that was before the change in action.

March 22, 2010, 01:13 PM
He was never any good with the red ball. I think it will be a long time if we ever see him in tests. Somebody will come up and take the job.

March 22, 2010, 01:14 PM
I reckon the idea was to spin it away from the right-hander and Mahmudullah and Naeem are not capable of doing that by definition (i.e. being offies). A lot rested on Razzak and he failed. We need to look at other SLA options, yes, but Enam and Shuvo aren't exactly geniuses.
Actually in yeasterday's prothom-alo Naeem had pointed that out.

March 22, 2010, 01:23 PM
Very poor show by A. Razzak today.

March 22, 2010, 01:29 PM
Shakib is not obsessed with Razzak......I strongly oppose
He is not Gay...hmm

March 22, 2010, 02:58 PM
He's still too young to be judged but he has the leadership qualities.

March 22, 2010, 03:10 PM
I think our test line up is starting to shape up. I think this is where is will/should end up:

1. Tamim
2. Junaed
3. Mushy
4. Mahmadullah
5. Naeem
6. Shakib
7. Juhurul/Another batsman/SN/Kapali/Ash (in that priority order)
8. Dhiman (WK)
9. Shafiul
10. Enamul/Pacer (as the pitch dictates)
11. Rubel/Shahadat/Rasel

March 22, 2010, 03:34 PM
If I had to pick a line-up today, it'd be like this:

1. Tamim
2. Jahurul (opener in the NCL; since we've included him, might as well play him) *
3. Junaed (needs to prove his consistency, but gets the pass for now) *
4. Nayeem **
5. Mushfiq **
6. Riyad **
7. Shakib
8. Shafi
9. Enam
10. Rubel
11. Pacer

Six batsmen (two of who are part-time bowlers with Riyad being a bit more than that), one all rounder and four bowlers. Shafiul and Rubel aren't there yet, but unfortunately the others are either out of form or beer-belly'd, so they stay (and hopefully prosper - I can see Rubel certainly is).

Enam gets the nod ahead of Shuvo who needs to tweak his bowling. The third pacer could be Robin if he's up for it, or Shahadat if he stops being a wuss. Shafi and Rubel are already raw enough for us to bring in someone new.

I haven't seen any of the other wicket keepers lately, so dropping either Enam or the third pacer (depending on the conditions) for a specialist W/K is always an option, if there's a good one out there.

* Jahurul shouldn't play the Tests in England (unless the management is sure he is ready) and Junaed should open instead. We could also swap the two, but whatever the case, their roles should be clear - pick a spot for each and stick to it.

** Not sure if this is the ideal sequence for these three, but I'd like to see them bat at least between 4 and 6, that much I know.

Again, the team is_shaping_up and I guess we'll have a better idea about who's hot and who's not after the Europe tour.

March 22, 2010, 04:05 PM
shakib is not obsessed with razzak ,and its not that he doesnt like mahmadullah, or naem.please refrain from such comments.razzak is the most senior bowler there..and he bowls well in odi.and as a captain.u will want to use ur best bowler u think can set pressure..the thing is razzak didnt do well..razzak hasnt learned well how to bowl in test.u got to be very patient..in odi..if u bowl 3 dot bolls..batsman will try something..and then the bowler can adjust and get awicket..but in test batsman is not in ahurry..they wait for the bowler to do a mistake..and razzak was not patient enough..he was trying to many things..thats why he got hit..in my opinion razzak is not cut out for test..but he will be very good in odi and t20..but not test.unless he changes his style..but for naem and mahmadullah..its that they are not the best of bowlers..just part time..naem just bowls some offspin..he hardly turns..mahamdullah is a good offspinner..the problem with him he still doesnt have very good control,he ends up giving a long hop, short balls way too often..i have seen him bowl against west indies, and sakib kws taht too.thats y there was a feilder in the deep on the leg side..when mahmadullah was bowling.mahmadullah has the potential to be the genuine spin alrounder for bangladesh,his bowling is good, he needs to work on his control.then we can have a partner for shakib, and i dont think seeing him bowl well sakib will keep him away.

March 22, 2010, 05:16 PM
based on news, looks like Sakib is annoyed with Razzak's performance.

Razzak is the only specialized spinner who is only selcted for his bowling. He is a liability in the field and no long any good as a batman batting at #9.

So as Razzak was selected as a spacialized spinner, Sakib have to use him as spinner for significant time.

I am not mad at Sakib, I am mad at Bagh mama for not dropping Razzak for 2nd TEST. He is kind of useless player in the team right now and a liability in the field.

March 22, 2010, 05:34 PM
I still don't understand why Razzak was picked ahead of Enamul jnr. who is a much better test bowler especially after how Razzak performed in the first test. Good to hear that it wasn't Shakib's decision.

March 22, 2010, 05:50 PM
Sorry razzak has to go, he can't bat or bowle. he is out of form for long time now.

March 22, 2010, 06:33 PM
I am quite disappointed at your conspiracy theory.... How can you guys question such a commitment from Sakib?

He is the captain first, he wants the win for his team first. A win will make him a better hero for his captaincy, no matter whether he himself takes the wicket or riyad/nayeem does. He is smart enough to realize that. But, are you?

March 22, 2010, 07:52 PM
Perhaps it's way too early to talk about this, but I do believe that Shaju Datta is the aggressive, wicket-taking SLA partner of the future for Moyna. Enam's aggression and scripting make him better than Abdurrajjakraj! any day in my book and should play until Shaju reaches adulthood and becomes ready.

Abdurrajjakraj! should never have been selected in the first place. That was the original blunder. Not at all surprised that he failed his country and captain in spite of repeated chances to try and redeem himself. Sadly, Moyna HAS to give his "specialized spinner" more chances in the second innings also before bowling 50+ overs himself.

Can't get a broken down, murhir tin Maruti Suzuki with a paint job to perform like a Hyundai Sonata.

March 23, 2010, 04:02 AM