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alibangali
June 9, 2010, 04:15 AM
The grassroots are always greenerJune 8, 2010

As England thrash Bangladesh again, can a resurgent Zimbabwe teach the Tigers how to build a competitive team?


http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/multimedia/462396.html

We have been beating Zimbabwe consistently in ODi's, yet just because we got embarrased in that last TEST match against England and Zimbabwe beat India and Sri Lanka in ODi's somehow they can teach us how to build a competitive side?

Does not compute in my head but i guess these vultures seem to feed of from our poor performances to fuel their shows.

beshideshi
June 9, 2010, 04:20 AM
I have been quite upset by Cricinfo's behavior after the 2nd test. All the ODI series between BD-ZIM have been won by us since 2006. Plus we have played quite decent cricket over the past 10-12 months, taking every single test to the 5th day, not losing by an innings, pushing opponents to the limits etc......except the last one. And we have to take "guidance" from some other teams who we have dominated over the previous years? Ridiculous, this just makes me want to tear my hairs.
Also, no disrespect to ZIM, but they played half strength Indian/Slankan teams. They did prove a point they are good enough to play main strength teams, but they will have to prove in November that they are better than us, till then we are the better team :)

magic boy
June 9, 2010, 04:48 AM
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simon
June 9, 2010, 05:55 AM
hmmm,ei Ind team e Dhoni,Zaheer,Sehwag,Gambhir,Yuvi ar Srilanka team e Jayawrdn,Sanga,MAlinga,Murali ra thakle Zimbabwer obostha ki hoto ke janey.
Amra jokhon Ind & Sril shathe kheli tokhon ei shob player thakey.

Not a fair comparaison from cricinfo,ei jonnoi shob bhalo jar shesh bhalo tar,we should hv ended the series on high notes.

akabir77
June 9, 2010, 08:15 AM
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http://www.cricinfo.com/talk/content/multimedia/462396.html

akabir77
June 9, 2010, 08:22 AM
I agree with what they discuss about grass root in Bangladesh. As a Bangladeshi I know how our board people who run cricket is making money out of cricket and not spending a penny. We have a bunch of corrupt people who runs cricket now and use to run football which they took to the grave.
Now all of them r lining up to become cricket organizers. I was always worried about this after cricket became that popular. some of the cricket lovers are trying to fight them but money talks. that's why we have people visiting instead of a media manager. that's why we have Cricket developing building (from where they can still tons of money) but no program to run develop of cricket. I see grim future. I have a cousin who used to be Abahani's captain for long time and now works in Brunei was offered the CEO job multiple time. He has string connection with AL but he refused to take the job siting the corruption and said he becomes one he will run every corrupt person out and they asked him to over look that and hence we have CEO position still open.

This is Bangladesh. What should we do before they kill our cricket just like football?

al-Sagar
June 9, 2010, 08:49 AM
zimbabwe WHO ???

all we need is our current bunch of players to perform a bit more constantly and properly use their talent. and also perform according to ur teams need.

akabir77
June 9, 2010, 09:00 AM
forget about current players. they r not talking about current players. they r talking about how zimbo got tons of player interested in cricket were as we still doesn't have a strong First class structure.

Ajfar
June 9, 2010, 09:16 AM
Well does Zim have a strong first class structure?? No disrespect to Zim but I would like to know how long they would have survived on the old tratford piych for?? oh and one more thing give us the bowling line up of yadav and co. see what happens and then tell us weather they need to show us the way.I think spitty already pointed out they are not doing something we havent done yet we already thrashed the WI 2nd string team.
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MohammedC
June 9, 2010, 09:45 AM
Well does Zim have a strong first class structure?? No disrespect to Zim but I would like to know how long they would have survived on the old tratford piych for?? oh and one more thing give us the bowling line up of yadav and co. see what happens and then tell us weather they need to show us the way.I think spitty already pointed out they are not doing something we havent done yet we already thrashed the WI 2nd string team.

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Dont think currently Zimbabwe have strong domestic first class players but they definitely have better first class structure than ours. And their FC structure is on its way up where as ours going downhill.

Zimbabwe's all 5 domestic FC team played 12 FC games

http://www.cricinfo.com/logan-09/content/series/414287.html

Where as in Bangladesh. 4 teams played 8 FC games and bottom 2 played 5 each.

http://www.cricinfo.com/ncl-09/content/series/440848.html

beshideshi
June 9, 2010, 09:53 AM
Well does Zim have a strong first class structure?? No disrespect to Zim but I would like to know how long they would have survived on the old tratford piych for?? oh and one more thing give us the bowling line up of yadav and co. see what happens and then tell us weather they need to show us the way.I think spitty already pointed out they are not doing something we havent done yet we already thrashed the WI 2nd string team.
<br />Posted via BC Mobile Edition (iPhone)

Very true. People keep bashing Bangladesh's first class standard. And when people say it's going downhill, I have to consider him/her as a very ignorant person. The quality of first class cricket has gone up significantly. Riyad, Shafiul, Imrul, jahurul, Junayed are all products of out domestic structure. With Nasir hossain, S. Hom, Noor hossain etc coming up.
Of course we do not have a first class comparable to Aus/SA. but our first class is definitely on the way up, have a look at the 100s, 5fers the players are getting. Also according to most players, the pitch quality has improved as well.
And I wonder where was Cricinfo when Tamim was making Finn/Anderson/Bresnan look like minor county bowlers.

MohammedC
June 9, 2010, 11:25 AM
Very true. People keep bashing Bangladesh's first class standard. And when people say it's going downhill, I have to consider him/her as a very ignorant person. The quality of first class cricket has gone up significantly. Riyad, Shafiul, Imrul, jahurul, Junayed are all products of out domestic structure. With Nasir hossain, S. Hom, Noor hossain etc coming up.
Of course we do not have a first class comparable to Aus/SA. but our first class is definitely on the way up, have a look at the 100s, 5fers the players are getting. Also according to most players, the pitch quality has improved as well.
And I wonder where was Cricinfo when Tamim was making Finn/Anderson/Bresnan look like minor county bowlers.

Mr beshideshi bhai thanks for calling me ignorant. You have given name few good indvidual of future Bangladesh Cricketer. But have you noticed what is happening to our FC structure.
Why are we playing less FC matches nowdays?
Why we did not had a domestic OD tournament this year?

This is the month of June and our (Bangladesh) cricket season starts in October only four months to go but we dont have any idea what format of cricket will start first. Our (BCB) idea of FC (longer) version cricket is get it over with it ASAP.

beshideshi you remind me of Zim commentators who were very biased towards their country during Bangladesh tour of Zimbabwe. They refused to admit they were pawned. There was this one instance when a Zim player hit a boundary...


Posted by Crikey
This was the MOOOOST classic
* Willaims hits on air and ball just clears the ropes then third umpires checks the replays*
Zim Comm: YESS That's SIX!!!!
Athar: Ahhhhhhhh umpire is checking it...
Zim Comm: What a beautiful SHOT! MMM I hope it's 6! Will add six runs to the total!
Athar: I guess it's inside the robes.
Zim Com: mmmmmm I hope they give Six for this
Athar: Ahhhhh Well u get what you deserve and it's 4!


Current BCB admins are getting pawned by Zim Admins. And I dont mind admitting it.<!-- / message -->

akabir77
June 9, 2010, 11:56 AM
exactly and the players you mentioned most were from previous dvlp groups not product of FC. now we don't even have a dvlp plan or group hence the dvlp manager resigned... (H Kasem)... so who is the ignorant here?

godzilla
June 9, 2010, 11:57 AM
The grassroots are always greenerJune 8, 2010

As England thrash Bangladesh again, can a resurgent Zimbabwe teach the Tigers how to build a competitive team?


http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/multimedia/462396.html

We have been beating Zimbabwe consistently in ODi's, yet just because we got embarrased in that last TEST match against England and Zimbabwe beat India and Sri Lanka in ODi's somehow they can teach us how to build a competitive side?

Does not compute in my head but i guess these vultures seem to feed of from our poor performances to fuel their shows.

I think you missed the most important part of the discussion. They where saying how Zim started to run their cricket clubs/school/etc professionaly unlike our stupid BCB. All we have is those 30 international players who we are looking after at the moment and nothing under them because the members in BCB are idiots who woudn't even know how to organise papers properly let alone run a board. All we can rely on is TALENT and nothing else below the international teams. You should have listend to the whole thing properly before jumping to conclusion!

MohammedC
June 9, 2010, 12:02 PM
Thank you godzilla. You are right thats all we have 30 players plus few in age groups apart from them we are nothing and nothing more to come.

Imteaz
June 9, 2010, 12:04 PM
Whatever we say, somehow the situation has got changed again. We have to prove again that we are better than them. We have 2 option

1. Do something extra ordinary against those 8 teams (Asia Cup, ODI series against England etc)
OR
2. Prove it against the upcoming home series against Zimbabwe in December.

Otherwise we have to tollerate all these.

MohammedC
June 9, 2010, 12:09 PM
@ imteaz bhai
Why do we have to tolerate all this?
Why not re-structure our domestic structure for the better of next generation cricketers?

Purbasha T
June 9, 2010, 02:33 PM
Win a match in Asia cup, and things will calm down a bit. Tired of the broken record.

betaar
June 9, 2010, 03:25 PM
I don't know why you guys are so annoyed by it. There's no prob being humble about what we've done in the last few months vs. what Zim have done. Yes, we played better cricket and our improvement curve may have gone up but the result isn't there to show for. Taking the tests to a 5th day and almost winning one day matches don't give you 2 points in the points table.
Zim, on the other hand, beaten Ozzies in 20-20 and WI few times in WI. Then they put up a good show in the T20 WC and now the recently concluded tournament regardless of how weak the oppositions are. I understand they played weaker Indian and SL side but the same Indian side have beaten SL. I doubt if our team would've been as consistent as Zim have been thoughout the whole tournament. So I do think they can teach us a thing or two about how to be consistent. When was the last time our team has been this consistent in any form of cricket.
Whether Zim is better than us remains to be seen............but the way they are playing ceratinly deserves a lot of credit.

Ajfar
June 9, 2010, 09:58 PM
How come when we beat the 2nd String WI squad we had to hear all crap from cricket pundits? and now that Zim has beaten 2nd string India and SL (no disrespected to Zim) all the pundits are saying we should follow their path. Not that there is anything wrong with it. How can they even make a comparison, Zim played One day we played Test. Again I would like to know how Zim would have fared had they been in our position.

Our FC improved since it first started. but it didn't improve as much as it should have. and that's where the problem is. Our improvement is so very little that all the people know don't follow BD cricket like us, don't even know if its improving at all.

Imteaz
June 10, 2010, 01:19 AM
@ imteaz bhai
Why do we have to tolerate all this?
Why not re-structure our domestic structure for the better of next generation cricketers?

We all understand those but unfortunately BCB do not. I don’t know why.

I am telling about the present situation. If we even restructure and get a perfect domestic structure today, we have to wait minimum 2-3 years to get the outcome. It may take more than 5-7 years. What will we do during these 2/3 years? Either perform well or tolerate all those criticism from Cricket specialist.

Yes, they are specialist. All of them played +/-100 test. Achieved respect from Cricket World. We are not in a position to defend them without playing Good Cricket. Finally, with that individual performance we won't achieve any respect as a Cricket nation. It needs team performance.

al-Sagar
June 10, 2010, 01:45 AM
this is what happens.

BD played a tri series at home agaisnt IND and SL
Zim played a tri series at home agaisnt IND and SL

ppl will see results. BD lost all the four matches. ZIM won three and made into the finals.

ppl wont see what teams we played or zim played. ppl wont see what were conditions. ppl wont see what kinda scores we made (250/275/290+) or what kinda score ZIM made.

in the end for most of the PPL result matters the most. to very few ppl, individual performance, match conditions and other things matter.

beshideshi
June 10, 2010, 01:49 AM
MohammedC brother, sorry for singling you out. But I am seriously fed up with people calling our domestic structure rubbish. BCB does have many flaws, their organisation is pathetic, but my main point was the quality of players are much, much better than they were in the early days. I have visited many FC matches in BD dating back to 2001-2002. And the quality of cricket then was atrocious, compared to that the current bunch of first class players are way better.
About the formatting, I can not defend the decrease in the number of games, I guess BCB wanted to increase competition...but seems a bit far fetched. If you were talking about BCB's discipline and the way BCB are organizing the tournaments, then I will partially agree with you. I won't say our first class structure is going downhill[we started at level 0 tbh], but the rate of growth should have been better. But if you are saying the quality of first class cricket is going down, then I will have to strongly disagree.

alibangali
June 10, 2010, 03:04 AM
I think you missed the most important part of the discussion. They where saying how Zim started to run their cricket clubs/school/etc professionaly unlike our stupid BCB. All we have is those 30 international players who we are looking after at the moment and nothing under them because the members in BCB are idiots who woudn't even know how to organise papers properly let alone run a board. All we can rely on is TALENT and nothing else below the international teams. You should have listend to the whole thing properly before jumping to conclusion!

My point was that this discussion would not have taken place if the old trafford test was drawn or even lost on the final day.

There is no end to learning but you could tell that this discussion was fuelled by the desire to mock us.

cricket_king
June 10, 2010, 07:21 AM
How come when we beat the 2nd String WI squad we had to hear all crap from cricket pundits? and now that Zim has beaten 2nd string India and SL (no disrespected to Zim) all the pundits are saying we should follow their path. Not that there is anything wrong with it. How can they even make a comparison, Zim played One day we played Test. Again I would like to know how Zim would have fared had they been in our position.

I agree with you wholeheartedly there. It is rather silly - that cricinfo podcast only came about because Zimbabwe had just played a very good tournament after so long, and Bangladesh had finally faltered after a solid run in the last couple of years. Cricinfo just jumped on the opportunity. The main difference between our victories in the West Indies and Zimbabwe's victories at home was the fact that they played two much higher ranked sides - Sri Lanka and India - whereas we played the West Indies, who are only one rank higher than us.

unda_bhai
June 10, 2010, 07:25 AM
yeh i thot of this before too. why do we always get the asterisk wen clearly others shud too. freking rdiculous

Isnaad
June 14, 2010, 06:20 AM
I was fighting with some ******* Indian and Pakistani fans on Facebook Cricinfo groups status regarding this!!!!!!!

Imteaz
June 15, 2010, 06:23 AM
Zimbabwe has one plus point. Once they were a full test team and they achieved enough respect as a test team. So they proved that they have enough capability to be a good test team. They just need to restructure themselve. This recent triangular series is a prove that they have more or less restructured themselve and they need some time to be a respectable team again.

On the other hand Bangladesh never showed any consistancy on their performance. One match win and we have to wait for long period to get the next one. We can judge the improvement by ourselve because we do not have any option. But others only look at the win/lose ratio.

Those who are thinking that Bangladesh could do the same if they get those week teams like India & Stilanka, you are wrong. Bangladesh is not able to do that. One Tamim or Shakib will never generate any respect as a Cricket Nation. We need team performance. We Improved a lot but to Prove it to outer world We Must Have to Win against those Giant 8.

Dilscoop
June 15, 2010, 02:37 PM
http://www.cricinfo.com/talk/content/video_audio/462496.html