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Nafi
July 10, 2010, 04:20 PM
Yes we did win this game, however we still made actually a rubbish score, and out bowling saved use.

In both games, (the first and second ODI) we were expected to atleast make 280 runs, however out middle order Batsmen, mushy (now injured), Riyad , Shakib are all failing

Actually mashrafe is our best finishing batsmen, he's been doing much better than the above sluggish clowns

In the case of Ashraful, atleast he showed intent where it was need, he made a stupid judgement which cost him a run out, (same with mash actually)

MohammedC
July 10, 2010, 04:31 PM
I will take it from 34 overs. After they change the ball. But if Tamim is around after 25 over mark, then I will let him have it, at least he can make a good use of it
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Tigers_eye
July 10, 2010, 04:35 PM
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In the case of Ashraful, atleast he showed intent where it was need, he made a stupid judgement which cost him a run out, (same with mash actually)
Puzzled. 14(29) with one four. SR at 48.27. He came in to bat 4/149 30.2 overs. What intent did he show? He wants to play Test Cricket?

Don't even want to talk about the runout.

MohammedC
July 10, 2010, 05:19 PM
Mizan bhai we are biased about certain players.
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Nafi
July 10, 2010, 05:24 PM
Puzzled. 14(29) with one four. SR at 48.27. He came in to bat 4/149 30.2 overs. What intent did he show? He wants to play Test Cricket?

Don't even want to talk about the runout.

You either didnt watc the match, or misunderstood my post

At the latter stage of Ash's innings, he batted agressively, though it wat unconvincing, the intent was there

Dilscoop
July 10, 2010, 05:30 PM
If Ashraful plays, he has to play as a slogger. He is not a top order/proper batsman. He can't make up his mind. Weather to play aggressive or defensive. He should be used like Mike Hussey. or Bevan. They are both quality batsmen, not a slogger, but still they batted at 6-8. Then Ashraful will have only one game to play, and that is hit out or get out. He can go play his scoop and what not.

That's the only way left.

Our lower-middle and tail order should be:

Shakib
Ash
Mash
Shafi
Razzak
Rubel

Shakib just need to bat low for now. He lost it. And him and Ash always plays better when they are batting together. Both can hit biggies.

dark mage
July 10, 2010, 05:41 PM
You either didnt watc the match, or misunderstood my post

At the latter stage of Ash's innings, he batted agressively, though it wat unconvincing, the intent was there

If that was intent, then I wonder how you can say Mushfiqur was sluggish in the first match? he came in late and scored 22 quick runs with two massive clean hits, even the ball he got out from, it was a clean hit, even though it was caught. Its fiunny how you can say Ashraful's mishits being better than Mushfiqur's. I really dont get this craze about this stupid player called Ashraful who, even after playing so many matches still cant read a game situation and still cant even understand his own game and batting style. He has always been a very confused player.

But I admit, Shakib really is woefully out of form and we really desperately need him to be back in form before the world cup.

magic boy
July 11, 2010, 01:06 AM
You either didnt watc the match, or misunderstood my post

At the latter stage of Ash's innings, he batted agressively, though it wat unconvincing, the intent was there

ouf!!! what a marathon innings..14 runs out of 29 balls. firstly tookatooki..and when tried to be aggressive..:out:

BANFAN
July 11, 2010, 01:36 AM
It's puzzling, if the top fails the bottom does well and when the top delievrs the bottom collapses. I think it is more of a mind set in dressing room. Even if the top is doing well, the remaining players should be made to feel that they have an equally important job at hand to finis the game. Instead they seem to get complacent. IMO They lack the guidance that's needed to change their approah to batting.

dark mage
July 11, 2010, 02:53 AM
It's puzzling, if the top fails the bottom does well and when the top delievrs the bottom collapses. I think it is more of a mind set in dressing room. Even if the top is doing well, the remaining players should be made to feel that they have an equally important job at hand to finis the game. Instead they seem to get complacent. IMO They lack the guidance that's needed to change their approah to batting.

I agree with this. When Mushfiq, Riyadh, Naeem and Shaqib were in form, our top-order was out of form and now that our top order is performing well, our lower order has stopped firing. This is a big problem. Also, please dont overlook the fact that, Tamim seems to have stopped converting his brisk-starts into bigger scores lately in the ODIs, which is worrying. He only has a single 50 in the last 7 one day internationals, which really isnt good enough from a batsman of his calibur but people seem to be overlooking his One Day International form because of his Test scores.

auntu
July 11, 2010, 03:08 AM
I think Ash should bat at no 8. He can strike the ball well and he doesn't have the temperament to make his innings big. He can be used for a small and quick innings.

Baundule
July 11, 2010, 03:45 AM
I think, we have some target at the start of the innings and the target is around 230-240. Tamim is instructed to play his natural game, which is perceived as going after every delivery and Imrul is given the duty of 'dhore khela'. This makes Imrul ultra defensive. This is a wrong approach at the top. We have seen that Imrul can also score quickly. And his defensive approach gives the bowler some advantage to settle down. There is no gurantee that Tamim will be successful each and every time. The blunder with that strategy is eclipsed because of Junaed's good form.

Clearly, the management do not have much of a confidence in the middle order. Most of the players, including Shakib, are in two minds. They get out and too much work is left for the tailenders. Their main target becomes playing out 50 overs and as long as they can score 230-240, the management remains happy. So, why should they take the risk?

lamisa
July 11, 2010, 06:24 AM
I agree with this. When Mushfiq, Riyadh, Naeem and Shaqib were in form, our top-order was out of form and now that our top order is performing well, our lower order has stopped firing. This is a big problem. Also, please dont overlook the fact that, Tamim seems to have stopped converting his brisk-starts into bigger scores lately in the ODIs, which is worrying. He only has a single 50 in the last 7 one day internationals, which really isnt good enough from a batsman of his calibur but people seem to be overlooking his One Day International form because of his Test scores.

that's been on my mind too lately but i was too scared to actually think about it:-|

alibangali
July 11, 2010, 06:47 AM
It was far too long since our bowling performed and when they did we won. The key to the good bowling was the captain showing faith in the bowlers and providing them positive field settings. This encouraged the bowlers and they replied with better line.

al-Sagar
July 11, 2010, 12:06 PM
i think we should take the batting PP at the 11th over before the fielding captain asks for the bowling power play. fielding captain will be surprised with the decision and if we take advantage of the batting PP he will be nervous about the bowling PP.

and i think the PP is actually making all the problems for batsman in the final overs. they thinkfs too much of PP and cant concentrate on batting. they feel they need to survive upto PP but they also dont know when to take PP. so they end up scoring low RR and losing wickets and eventually dont take PP and then when they take it finally they have no body too use it.

i feel we have the people who can use it at the top... the tamim, junaid jahuruls..... so let it be taken straight away

Equinox
July 11, 2010, 12:30 PM
For now I think swapping Shakib and Riyad around should control the problem somewhat. However after this tour and in the long term a specialist finisher must be identified and tested.

simon
July 11, 2010, 01:08 PM
Shakib can be used as a finisher,he did well against Middle sex scoring a quick 38 after Jahurul & Imrul's prtnrship.
Shakib also did well in T20 cup,I think his batting now a days suits with the "slog" .

Miraz
July 11, 2010, 01:12 PM
Ashraful never looked comfortable. He reached Bristol at 2 AM and was named in the squad. This is simply pathetic and unacceptable. Faisal would have bowled much better and could not do worse in batting.

riankhan
July 11, 2010, 01:16 PM
they need multi-Vaivaitamin

Fazal
July 11, 2010, 01:35 PM
they need multi-Vaivaitamin

and Viagra for the Village Idiot.

Regardless what people say about his age, he is clearly showing sign of his age.

WarWolf
July 11, 2010, 01:40 PM
and Viagra for the Village Idiot.

Regardless what people say about his age, he is clearly showing sign of his age.
How old is he? 35?

BTW welcome back mamu. Been missing you.

riankhan
July 11, 2010, 03:45 PM
How old is he? 35?

BTW welcome back mamu. Been missing you.

No Ash...no Fazal mamu
Ash is back....so.....:-D
Without ash....there is no meanings of life......WHOM SHOULD I BANG?;)

rahat90
July 11, 2010, 06:00 PM
bring in alok kapali?