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Spitfire_x86
July 12, 2010, 02:40 PM
The one and only no-nonsense Pro Siddons/Anti Siddons poll. If you don't have any opinion on this matter, not voting is your vote.

What defines "Pro Siddons" or "Anti Siddons" is upto you.

WarWolf
July 12, 2010, 02:44 PM
I am none of them. I like him as a batting coach but dislike him as the head coach. Simple.

bujhee kom
July 12, 2010, 03:09 PM
Thank goodness you can't see who voted what...hehehehe!

Miraz
July 12, 2010, 03:13 PM
Thank goodness you can't see who voted what...hehehehe!

You mean no one can see I voted pro-Siddons? ;)

Spitfire_x86
July 12, 2010, 03:14 PM
Thank goodness you can't see who voted what...hehehehe!
It was meant to be public poll, too bad polls can't be edited :)

Dilscoop
July 12, 2010, 03:15 PM
I am Anit-Siddons as a head coach.

Don't mind him as a batting consultant, as long as he just keeps his mouth shut, and works with the technical stuff but NOTHING else. None of that strategy making, or 'game plans' and the mind set he creates - no matter what how 250 is good enough and all that BS he is always talking about.

MohammedC
July 12, 2010, 04:15 PM
I am always pro-siddons.

wasi90lkv1
July 12, 2010, 04:39 PM
i voted for pro-siddons.

before siddons came, we had only two world class batsman probably (mohammed ashraful and habibul bashar).

now we have tamim iqbal (who was averaging below 20 at one point), junaid siddique (who was averaging below 15 at one point), shakib al hasan (who was a nobody literally at one point), mushfiqur rahim.

i also think jahurul islam is going to be in the team for a long time. only overrated batsmen in the team are mahmudullah and imrul kayes probably, they need to be replaced by nazimuddin and foisal hossain.

overall, siddons did a good job i think.

the reason why bangladesh is not winning has very little to do with the coach. coach does not play in the field, players do.

al Furqaan
July 12, 2010, 04:51 PM
I am none of them. I like him as a batting coach but dislike him as the head coach. Simple.

i think this sums it up really well...

reyme
July 12, 2010, 05:06 PM
I am just curious to know what Siddons has done that is so big. Please educate me.
Shakib, Tamim, Junaid, Ash, Mushfiq, Riyad all came from the Whatmore era.
Any hard working batting trainer could help them. As far as I know Tamim got most help from Salahuddin.

wasi90lkv1
July 12, 2010, 05:18 PM
I am just curious to know what Siddons has done that is so big. Please educate me.
Shakib, Tamim, Junaid, Ash, Mushfiq, Riyad all came from the Whatmore era.
Any hard working batting trainer could help them. As far as I know Tamim got most help from Salahuddin.

whatmore era? no.

junaid debuted after whatmore left i believe. junaid is one of the best batsmen in bangladesh now, to me he is the most improved bangladeshi batsman in the last 6 months.

tamim was a mindless slogger during whatmore era. now he has more control over his shots. he can hit the spinners out of the park now.

shakib, mushfiqur were nothing serious back then. now they are better.

i never heard tamim saying anything about salahuddin, but i heard him praising jamie siddons.

Zeeshan
July 12, 2010, 05:39 PM
vtfu guys. We need to win this one. We can't let them take this away from us. In the immortal words of P.Diddy... "Vote or die!"

rahat90
July 12, 2010, 05:55 PM
I am none of them. I like him as a batting coach but dislike him as the head coach. Simple.

ditto
x100

alibangali
July 12, 2010, 06:47 PM
vtfu guys. We need to win this one. We can't let them take this away from us. In the immortal words of P.Diddy... "Vote or die!"

There will be less votes for anti siddons since those who dont like him as head coach but like him as batting coach will not vote
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kalpurush
July 12, 2010, 07:08 PM
After the 2nd ODI win against England, if you have watched how happy Siddons was, you cant dislike him! I was just blown away!! He might not be the best headcoach, but sure he is a good coach. :)

Rifat
July 12, 2010, 07:15 PM
I am none of them. I like him as a batting coach but dislike him as the head coach. Simple.

POTT.

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this is the most realistic comment.

Alchemist
July 12, 2010, 07:41 PM
It's interesting to see how people are finding support for Siddons just after one win, and forgetting the 'loser mentality' Siddons has managed to plant in this young team. No wonder why Hasina and Khaleda (with the help of Ershad and Nizami) are still ruling our country!

Siddons may be a good batting advisor but he's a very negative attitude. Now I also doubt his batting advisory capability since Riyad, Shakib, Mushfiq and Nayeem (our whole middle order) lost their batting ability at the same time. To my opinion, it's the result of the psychological damages that Siddons (and possibly Sujon as well) has done to these young capable players. We should get rid of him ASAP.

MatinSux
July 12, 2010, 07:48 PM
PRO. Cricket is indeed individual game, as it was witnessed by Trott almost winning the game all by himself for ENG.

BUT his tactics as a head coach can be douchy at times. For example, taking PP at 45th over when we lost like 8 wickets, wth.

Ajfar
July 12, 2010, 08:12 PM
I'm in between. 50 50

Miraz
July 12, 2010, 08:57 PM
It's interesting to see how people are finding support for Siddons just after one win, and forgetting the 'loser mentality' Siddons has managed to plant in this young team. No wonder why Hasina and Khaleda (with the help of Ershad and Nizami) are still ruling our country!

Siddons may be a good batting advisor but he's a very negative attitude. Now I also doubt his batting advisory capability since Riyad, Shakib, Mushfiq and Nayeem (our whole middle order) lost their batting ability at the same time.

Could not agree more. You have summed up the Bangladeshi mindset very well.

The pro-Siddons camp came up with the poll right after the ODI win England when support for Siddons is expected to be the best so that they can boast with the result and claim more people are pro-Siddons than anti-Siddons. I wonder what would happen after couple more spineless performances which is becoming a norm now a days.

Tigers_eye
July 12, 2010, 09:25 PM
In foreign conditions I guess over 95% players do worse than home. Our boys are no exception to this. Riyad, Naeem, Shakib, Mushi all are fine. Better than Aftab, Alok and definitely Ashraful technically and mentally.

Not anti-Siddons.

yaseer
July 12, 2010, 11:24 PM
I am none of them. I like him as a batting coach but dislike him as the head coach. Simple.

Same though as mine.
Siddons is struggling as a head coach mainly because of his approach. He has no focus on bowling as well.

beshideshi
July 12, 2010, 11:33 PM
I am so pro-siddons that I have kept him as my avatar for a while

Spitfire_x86
July 13, 2010, 12:10 AM
The pro-Siddons camp came up with the poll right after the ODI win England when support for Siddons is expected to be the best so that they can boast with the result and claim more people are pro-Siddons than anti-Siddons. I wonder what would happen after couple more spineless performances which is becoming a norm now a days.
I didn't open the poll "right after the win", I waited for the series to be over. No different than your poll (opened after Asia cup, not after a particular match).

I didn't open the Anti/Pro Siddons poll for a while, but now that I'm doing it again you can rest assured I'll open a poll after the associates ODIs ares over, even if we lose all of the matches :)

BANFAN
July 13, 2010, 12:29 AM
Originally Posted by WarWolf
I am none of them. I like him as a batting coach but dislike him as the head coach. Simple.

POTT.

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this is the most realistic comment.

Most un realistic IMO. This is just a way of supporting him in an indirect way, since it is difficult to defend him as a head coach. Now may you guys please list out his great policies/procedures/contributions in developing our batting to Justify keeping him as a batting coach?

If he is proven to be a good batting coach, I would prefer to keep him even as a head coach. I won't bloame him for anything else. I will become the most Dye Hard JS Fan for the rest of my life.

If he had any clue how to rectify batting problems, would the bad form of Ash, Shakib, mullah, Nayeem, Mushi, entire lower order, collapse all at a time for such prolonged period? You wanna show Tamim? (_Put your choice of word for JS__) The only contribution he has in Tamim's performance is that, he didnt fiddle with his batting. Jahurul? Guy came the other day, yet to be baptized by JS to become a crap. Kayes, although scoring sometimes but still in his way with all faulty techniques, approach, style etc problems remain the same.

It's heart breaking to see that, A tallented player comes from our fragile structures, plays well for a few matches without coaching and when Siddons starts building him, he is ruined like the above guys. What has he done so striking with the batting? well, I know JS will supply you with the stats, how many times the spirit of the game was raped by 11 Bangladeshis to get to 200+ scores, by playing to lose from ball 1.

Not to forget the losing mentality of JS, already spoken by Alchemist & Miraz in preceeding posts. Shouldn't even a batting coach, teach these batting approches, mind sets, choice of shots in different match situations? what a horrible loser he is.

al-Sagar
July 13, 2010, 12:30 AM
i am a anti voter

BANFAN
July 13, 2010, 01:00 AM
I didn't open the poll "right after the win", I waited for the series to be over. No different than your poll (opened after Asia cup, not after a particular match).

I didn't open the Anti/Pro Siddons poll for a while, but now that I'm doing it again you can rest assured I'll open a poll after the associates ODIs ares over, even if we lose all of the matches :)

But I liked this direct anti/pro approach. It is more that two years (2yrs & 8 months) and I am amazed to see some people, who still cannot decide and extend indirect partial support as 'I like him as a batting coach'. Although it means, JS is rubish as a head coach.

What an obhinovo way of extending support. He is the head coach, why can't one tell that he isn't fit for head coach, the position he is currently holding? Well if someone says, I like him as a batting coach, that only means JS isn't suitable for Head coach, but the guy is so pro siddons, he is ready to keep him around, as a batting coach, even as a ball boy/cleaner what ever it takes to keep him around. A head coach must be capable of handling (Be specialist) one of the three departments (Batting, Bowling, Fielding) himself. or Hasina can also be head coach.

But thanks for taking this pro/anti approach, atleast you can see how pro JS people bypass the question. Even a strong Pro JS, dear TE bhai is saying "Not Anti Siddon" still in the middle ground, not risking a direct answer. A direct position would be hard/impossible to defend. What can I say, Love follows no logic.

It also gives us an opportunity to scale JS's performance through the positioning of the Pro Siddons.

Imteaz
July 13, 2010, 02:10 AM
Niether.

I think we failed extract the output from Siddons due to our poor cricket culture. Siddons is not an angel but we couldn't ever utilize a resourcefull person from whom we could get some more.

BANFAN
July 13, 2010, 02:31 AM
Niether.

I think we failed extract the output from Siddons due to our poor cricket culture. Siddons is not an angel but we couldn't ever utilize a resourcefull person from whom we could get some more.

You are so right;

1. We failed to Believe that we shouldnt play to lose, and be happy with 200+ score
2. We failed to believe in multiple captain theory
3. We failed to believe that someone's natural game can be changed to suit opposite nature
4. We failed to believe in Team rules.
5. We failed to believe that we have more players other than Tamim to win us matches
6. We failed to believe that JS was a 'Bhandar' of Ogadh knowledge, we just didnt have the eye to see it and suck it out.
7. We failed to believe, he is the best coach in the world and it is not his responsibility to display his ability, but it was our reponsibility to search for those hidden talents through all his "oles.
8. We failed to believe that it is the players fault that they all run into bad form due to JS being too much tallented as a coach & a batting genius.
9. ......................

Baundule
July 13, 2010, 04:52 AM
Js is just taking the advantage of our non-professional board. If we suck and he can not get us out of that situation, why does he continue with the job?

He lost my support from the very first day when he declared that we are a piece of sh!t. He never believed in the team. How can he do any good?

lamisa
July 13, 2010, 05:30 AM
see,after the match we lost against pakistan in the asia cup,people were blaming JS that is is way too defensive,didn't tell the boy to go for the kill,happy with surviving 50 overs,showing all his faith in TI,etc etc ec.but yesterday our batsmen looked as though they are going for the kill and look what happened!

reyme
July 13, 2010, 05:40 AM
In foreign conditions I guess over 95% players do worse than home. Our boys are no exception to this. Riyad, Naeem, Shakib, Mushi all are fine. Better than Aftab, Alok and definitely Ashraful technically and mentally.

Not anti-Siddons.

So are you pro siddons? meaning you support him as a head coach? As BANFAN pointed out he is holding the role for head coach, not batting advisor. He failed as a head coach, as a bowling coach, as a fielding coach, and now I see almost as a batting coach..so if someone is NOT anti siddons what is really expected of him in this team? What does pro Siddons really mean?

Riyad, Nayeem, Shakib, Mushi all are fine? You know more, kindly tell me how can a glorious batting coach cant rectify the shortcoming of so many players for such a prolonged period of time? Please tell me why Ash is no longer a batting superstar?
Why there is no replacement even though he has been under his coaching for 3 years? Only people who are doing good, apprenlty adopted their own freestyle approach like Tamim, Shakib.

Do you actually believe any other test nation would want him even as a batting trainer?

reyme
July 13, 2010, 05:51 AM
junaid debuted after whatmore left i believe. junaid is one of the best batsmen in bangladesh now, to me he is the most improved bangladeshi batsman in the last 6 months.

tamim was a mindless slogger during whatmore era. now he has more control over his shots. he can hit the spinners out of the park now.

shakib, mushfiqur were nothing serious back then. now they are better.

i never heard tamim saying anything about salahuddin, but i heard him praising jamie siddons.

Tamim, Shakib, Mushfiq all scored half century against INDIA during whatmore era, during one of the most glorious win we had ever experienced. These players were already in the picture and with experience they were bound to improve anyways.

I am not saying Siddons did not do anything, obviously he had his contribution, his guidance helped many players, but he has done equal if not more damage at the same time. A perfect example is Ashraful who never developed under JS, and all of a sudden middle to lower middle order batting is non existannce. At some point we had a tail that could bat.

He has constantly blamed his own players which no coach would ever do. He has inflicted the most damaging seed among players, that is, they are not good enough...thats why you see pathetic batting display by Riyad and co. With so many more talents now in the team, we expected better. If someone like whatmore becomes the coach now, you will see a dramatic improvement in result. These players dont believe they can win against G8 anymore.

reyme
July 13, 2010, 05:54 AM
I am so pro-siddons that I have kept him as my avatar for a while

Thats good for you sunshine. Now educate us with 5 things that made you like him so much in 100 words.

reyme
July 13, 2010, 06:01 AM
PRO. Cricket is indeed individual game, as it was witnessed by Trott almost winning the game all by himself for ENG.


I love your argument Sir. I wonder what other 10 players doing in that game? Trott should have bowled 50 overs and ran without a runner on the other side of the crease and bat all 300 balls :-) Such a good player he is, I dont know why ENG is wasting millions of pounds keeping 16 (apx that many came in BD tour)diff coaching staff in the team to teach and train others?

Baundule
July 13, 2010, 06:08 AM
see,after the match we lost against pakistan in the asia cup,people were blaming JS that is is way too defensive,didn't tell the boy to go for the kill,happy with surviving 50 overs,showing all his faith in TI,etc etc ec.but yesterday our batsmen looked as though they are going for the kill and look what happened!

What worse happened? We lost the Paki match by 139 runs and yesterday's loss was by 144 runs.

The difference is, in yesterday's match we were with the asking rate till we were 4 or 5 wickets down. In the Paki match, we gave up from the very beginning, Imrul Kayes took 20+ deliveries to score his first run. Do you think that one was something to be proud of?

reyme
July 13, 2010, 06:14 AM
i voted for pro-siddons. overall, siddons did a good job i think. the reason why bangladesh is not winning has very little to do with the coach. coach does not play in the field, players do.

Nice one!!!

This so called head coach is supposed to call or calling the toss behind the scene, selecting final 11, selecting batting/bowling orders/rotation, creating gameplan, strategy, fielding setup plan for individual opponents...etc...

Dont tell me, captain is supposed to do that. Captain is NOT the coach of the team.

Now how many times who got burnt for BAD toss decisions? Commentatros was laughing at us. Commentators were mocking the field setups/gameplan/bowling orders, clueless batting powerplay decisons.

Finally why in the earth the coach is selecting the players who are not performing according to you? He had 3 years. Cant he operate some intensive camp and select and prepare the types of players that will give the desired performance? This is what happens when you are a lazy bum and all you care about is money and vacation. When you dont care, this is what happens. Coach makes players. Players will only perform when they are well trained, well coached, well advised, well developed, well supported, by a coach. Thats why every team has a coach. Even Tendulkar has a coach.

Remember when all the students get an F in the class, it also means that the teacher was unable to teach. In this case he is not the right teacher for that class.

ahnaf
July 13, 2010, 06:16 AM
Ai purano topic niye alochonar kono mane hoy na... Ata niye to ageo onek poll create hoice nd alochona hoyse so asha kori ata r akon hobe na.. Poll create kora hoyse.. Vote dao nd tumi pro or anti ata jodi post eo ullekh korte chao koro but again ajaira alochona korar mane hoy na.. Yeah.. I'm pro siddons.. Cause?? age create kora topic e hajar bar bolechi... Repeat korar iccha nei..
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reyme
July 13, 2010, 06:22 AM
^ Enlighten me one more time pls, I missed it.

beshideshi
July 13, 2010, 06:25 AM
Thats good for you sunshine. Now educate us with 5 things that made you like him so much in 100 words.

My guess is you were a high school bully.

ahnaf
July 13, 2010, 06:27 AM
^ Enlighten me one more time pls, I missed it.

sorry bhaia.. Asob bapare abar torkatori korar kono iccha nei... Tumi asia cup er por miraz vaia r create kora thread ta check korte paro.. Amar mone hoy almost all member okhane post korchilo..

reyme
July 13, 2010, 06:32 AM
Okay Ahnaf Bhaia, read on the post by BanCricFan:


" I don't think Siddons is suitable for a head coach. All his interviews right from the begining of his tenure points to the fact that he isn't a very thoughtful and balanced individual. We all know the infamous gaffes he has made such as not knowing who Rafique was and that Whatmore only worked for short term successes sacrficing the longterm ones...I'm para-phrasing, off course. There are a few others, like the public criticism of Mash and putting of Tamim on a high pedestal at the expense of others.

Look, the ever so slight improvement in the Tests is a natural and gradual one. Whatmore didn't have the service of Shakib or a Tamim arguably two best cricketers we have ever had. Most of the other cricketers are also generaly more sound than the last ones. I wont hesitate to say that Whatmore would have made a much better feast with the ingredients Siddons has at his disposal. I say this not as a lover of Whatmore nor the hater of Siddons.

Siddons approach is detremental for our young and supposedly "up-comimg" cricketers. The likes of Riyad and others and Bangladesh cricket will not benefit in the longer run from this. The culture of Negativity isn't the way forward. It can be dangerously pervasive of the body and mind. And, sometime the process can become irreversible. Individual performances are very important in any game- we all know this- but not at the expense of the team cohesion or performance.

Siddons is getting BIG salary. He needs to deliver...so far, he has not."
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ahnaf
July 13, 2010, 06:40 AM
Okay Ahnaf Bhaia, read on the post by BanCricFan:


" I don't think Siddons is suitable for a head coach. All his interviews right from the begining of his tenure points to the fact that he isn't a very thoughtful and balanced individual. We all know the infamous gaffes he has made such as not knowing who Rafique was and that Whatmore only worked for short term successes sacrficing the longterm ones...I'm para-phrasing, off course. There are a few others, like the public criticism of Mash and putting of Tamim on a high pedestal at the expense of others.

Look, the ever so slight improvement in the Tests is a natural and gradual one. Whatmore didn't have the service of Shakib or a Tamim arguably two best cricketers we have ever had. Most of the other cricketers are also generaly more sound than the last ones. I wont hesitate to say that Whatmore would have made a much better feast with the ingredients Siddons has at his disposal. I say this not as a lover of Whatmore nor the hater of Siddons.

Siddons approach is detremental for our young and supposedly "up-comimg" cricketers. The likes of Riyad and others and Bangladesh cricket will not benefit in the longer run from this. The culture of Negativity isn't the way forward. It can be dangerously pervasive of the body and mind. And, sometime the process can become irreversible. Individual performances are very important in any game- we all know this- but not at the expense of the team cohesion or performance.

Siddons is getting BIG salary. He needs to deliver...so far, he has not."
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nsd3
July 13, 2010, 06:43 AM
To go against JS I should have Ponting, Tendulkar, McGrath, Styne, Warne in the team now. Believing in the ability was never an issue - pointing to reality has been made look like negativity.

lamisa
July 13, 2010, 07:58 AM
What worse happened? We lost the Paki match by 139 runs and yesterday's loss was by 144 runs.

The difference is, in yesterday's match we were with the asking rate till we were 4 or 5 wickets down. In the Paki match, we gave up from the very beginning, Imrul Kayes took 20+ deliveries to score his first run. Do you think that one was something to be proud of?

no,not really.but it's just that our players get cold-feet when they have to chase big targets.i don't know what's wrong with them,they do possess that capability to chase high score,give it a shot atleast.they did so once against pakistan.

_Rafi_
July 13, 2010, 09:18 AM
So first option prevails. Good to see a lots of people still have faith on Siddons. I am still confident he is the right man to take us in 2nd round of the WC. But he need to be well supported by bowling coach, fielding coach, analyst and most importantly by selectors and BCB.

Roni_uk
July 13, 2010, 09:51 AM
neither .. don't care.. dont think it will make any difference to our team.

Miraz
July 13, 2010, 09:52 AM
So first option prevails. Good to see a lots of people still have faith on Siddons. I am still confident he is the right man to take us in 2nd round of the WC. But he need to be well supported by bowling coach, fielding coach, analyst and most importantly by selectors and BCB.

Timing of the poll is the key here. We were starving for 12 months and suddenly a win means a lot to many fans.

This again shows WIN matters which is contrary to what Siddons think.

Baundule
July 13, 2010, 10:00 AM
no,not really.but it's just that our players get cold-feet when they have to chase big targets.i don't know what's wrong with them,they do possess that capability to chase high score,give it a shot atleast.they did so once against pakistan.
right, u are! I was also telling the same.
But the boys are not the one to put all the blame on. The instructions come from higher authorities.

wiseshah
July 13, 2010, 10:08 AM
100% pro siddons, he doesnt talk nonsense, he doesnt take bull ****.

its our selectors who doesnt present him young promising talent, most probably they dont even know who are they.

he backed up players like rokibul, kayes,junaed, naeem, mahmudullah till their end and we see outcome. i think we need a good bowling coach, then we will be complete.

bujhee kom
July 13, 2010, 12:52 PM
Looks like at this stage, at this time of the Poll, Pro-Siddons (Siddons Lovers) are Landslide ahead in the game!! And Anti-Siddons (Siddons-ke dhawath diley amra dhawath-e ashbo naa group) are scraping for survival, support and votes.

The Anti-Siddons Jukto Front top leadership council: Miraz, Baundule, Banfan, Reyme, Dilscoop, Rayman, Zainab Apa.
The Pro-Siddons Moha-Jote top leadership frontline cabinet: Bongo-Baghini Begum Lamisa Ara Apumoni, Tigers_eye, ahnaf, Beamer, Mo Chow, Rafi, wiseshah.

Miraz
July 13, 2010, 12:59 PM
Dear Bujhee Kom bhaijan, I am anti-Siddons but no Siddons-hater. Hate is a very strong word to associate with anyone. I dislike him as a coach.

bujhee kom
July 13, 2010, 01:05 PM
Heheh...so sorry Miraz da!! I changed it, it was my poor word choice...I was being silly, you know...hehheehh!

M.H.Rubel
July 13, 2010, 01:11 PM
I was a pro Siddons and gradually his work and driving style of the team has made me anti Siddons.Lot of voters here are still pro Siddons but i am sure after completion of another 1 year most of the voters here will become anti Siddons(MMW)
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M.H.Rubel
July 13, 2010, 01:13 PM
Pool ta public pool hole besh moja hoto.I hope next pool regarding Siddons will be public pool.
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ahnaf
July 13, 2010, 01:16 PM
Looks like at this stage, at this time of the Poll, Pro-Siddons (Siddons Lovers) are Landslide ahead in the game!! And Anti-Siddons (Siddons-ke dhawath diley amra dhawath-e ashbo naa group) are scraping for survival, support and votes.

The Anti-Siddons Jukto Front top leadership council: Miraz, Baundule, Banfan, Reyme, Dilscoop.
The Pro-Siddons Moha-Jote top leadership frontline cabinet: Tigers_eye, ahnaf, Beamer, Mo Chow, Rafi, wiseshah.

hahaha.. Zaved dada.. Bhaloi blcho..:D Tmr shob post e porte moja lage dada.. Btw.. Leadership cabinet e rakhay osonkho thanx..:pPp

Raynman
July 13, 2010, 01:25 PM
add me to the 'Nothing personal against Siddons but his negative approach is damaging us in the present and can lay a horrible foundation for years to come if not removed soon' club.

bujhee kom
July 13, 2010, 01:37 PM
add me to the 'Nothing personal against Siddons but his negative approach is damaging us in the present and can lay a horrible foundation for years to come if not removed soon' club.

Ohh yes, yes, I am very sorry, I missed prokkhaato Neta Raynman bhai from first "Siddons Hotao" then "Siddons Nidhon" Andolon! "Siddons-er Moshari-te, agun jalo ekshathe" "Takkuia-ke Mirpur-er Mosha kamrak icchamoto" these are some famous banners and prosessions by Raynman bhai!:big_hug::notworthy:

Raynman
July 13, 2010, 02:04 PM
Ohh yes, yes, I am very sorry, I missed prokkhaato Neta Raynman bhai from first "Siddons Hotao" then "Siddons Nidhon" Andolon! "Siddons-er Moshari-te, agun jalo ekshathe" "Takkuia-ke Mirpur-er Mosha kamrak icchamoto" these are some famous banners and prosessions by Raynman bhai!:big_hug::notworthy:

Just looking out for my beloved team, thats all. He's still invited for dinner. :saint:

Zeeshan
July 13, 2010, 03:18 PM
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab334/omega741/js.jpg

Neel Here
July 13, 2010, 03:26 PM
good one :lol: what should be the caption ? "throw me a bone" ?

bujhee kom
July 13, 2010, 04:55 PM
Ei boodmais, ei abbu, amake gali diley, boka diley ami amar dirty finger mookhey dibo kintoo!!

Green Tea
July 13, 2010, 05:34 PM
http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/DB/032000/010121.jpg
1996: Captain Jamie Siddons of South Australia with the Sheffield Sheild trophy in the dressing rooms after beating Western Australia in the Sheffield Shield final,Australia.

max410
July 13, 2010, 10:37 PM
Imrul kayes is good player but not fit for ODI he is fit for test cricket , he is a defensive player but nowadays the odi playing style has changed , you need to keep you wicket as well as attack the bowlers, he just doesn't have the attacking mentality he will be very useful for test cricket.
but to replace him we need a consistent guy who is getting runs because imrul kayes is getting runs at least no matter what , if we replace him with another guy who gets out cheaply one match and 50 in one match and 10-13,14 etc.. it wont work out .
About Mahmudullah, he needs to get more runs .
ASHRA FOOOOOOOOLL should be dropped and kicked out, i really don't want him to play for BD Anymore he is hopeless , i don't want BCB to rely on him anymore.
RAkibul is a good replacement for him

mahbubH
July 14, 2010, 02:16 AM
JS is the best the coaches we had so far. I voted for pro.

What does Sujan do in the mix?

Baundule
July 14, 2010, 03:16 AM
Looks like at this stage, at this time of the Poll, Pro-Siddons (Siddons Lovers) are Landslide ahead in the game!! And Anti-Siddons (Siddons-ke dhawath diley amra dhawath-e ashbo naa group) are scraping for survival, support and votes.

The Anti-Siddons Jukto Front top leadership council: Miraz, Baundule, Banfan, Reyme, Dilscoop, Rayman.
The Pro-Siddons Moha-Jote top leadership frontline cabinet: Tigers_eye, ahnaf, Beamer, Mo Chow, Rafi, wiseshah.
After one more year:

The Anti-Siddons Jukto Front top leadership council: Miraz, Baundule, Banfan, Reyme, Dilscoop, Raynman.

The Siddons-hater Moha-Jote top leadership frontline cabinet: Tigers_eye, ahnaf, Beamer, Mo Chow, Rafi, wiseshah

Imteaz
July 14, 2010, 05:31 AM
You are so right;

1. We failed to Believe that we shouldnt play to lose, and be happy with 200+ score
2. We failed to believe in multiple captain theory
3. We failed to believe that someone's natural game can be changed to suit opposite nature
4. We failed to believe in Team rules.
5. We failed to believe that we have more players other than Tamim to win us matches
6. We failed to believe that JS was a 'Bhandar' of Ogadh knowledge, we just didnt have the eye to see it and suck it out.
7. We failed to believe, he is the best coach in the world and it is not his responsibility to display his ability, but it was our reponsibility to search for those hidden talents through all his "oles.
8. We failed to believe that it is the players fault that they all run into bad form due to JS being too much tallented as a coach & a batting genius.
9. ......................

Absolutely. Let's do the easiest thing. Blaming others. Siddons is the guilty of all our failure. Change him. Appoint someone new. He will take us on winning track. What we want? A single win after decent break or Win the whole series?

Without having the proper cricket culture / structure, about which we disscussed many times in this forum, A coach will make everything ok? If so, than we should forget about talking regarding Local Cricket Association or having a sporting wicket in domestic level.

lamisa
July 14, 2010, 07:17 AM
Looks like at this stage, at this time of the Poll, Pro-Siddons (Siddons Lovers) are Landslide ahead in the game!! And Anti-Siddons (Siddons-ke dhawath diley amra dhawath-e ashbo naa group) are scraping for survival, support and votes.

The Anti-Siddons Jukto Front top leadership council: Miraz, Baundule, Banfan, Reyme, Dilscoop, Rayman.
The Pro-Siddons Moha-Jote top leadership frontline cabinet: Tigers_eye, ahnaf, Beamer, Mo Chow, Rafi, wiseshah.

javed bhai,apnar ei discrimination ar bhallage na!age apne shob post e "bhai-bhai" korten,amar bolate tao ekhon apa wordta add koren.kintu apne amake keno pro siddonser top leadership frontline cabinet theke baad dilen?ami toh shobshomoy siddonser dole chilam!

nahaz
July 14, 2010, 09:03 AM
To go against JS I should have Ponting, Tendulkar, McGrath, Styne, Warne in the team now. Believing in the ability was never an issue - pointing to reality has been made look like negativity.

See the list we had for the 1999 World Cup. Shujon, Bulbul, Shanto, Opi, Akram, Pilot, Bashar... Why did Gordon Greenidge bother to even train those players, who were worse than most of the current Irish team. He did not have any Ponting, Kallis, or even Raina or Pollard. Could we not just have tried to improve slowly and tried to just beat Scotland somehow, or at worst take honourable defeat? Would 5 honourable defeats, say under 50 runs or 5 wickets not be better than try and fluke a win that would have no bearing whatsoever to our cricket?

Why does Bulbul try to teach the Chinse to play cricket? Who is silly enough to coach the Irish. I like the old ZImababwe coach 2-3 years back. He looked for honourable defeats, just like Jamie. The guy got kicked out, and the current coach has revived the team to one that can aim to one day dominate Bangladesh again.

bujhee kom
July 14, 2010, 12:41 PM
javed bhai,apnar ei discrimination ar bhallage na!age apne shob post e "bhai-bhai" korten,amar bolate tao ekhon apa wordta add koren.kintu apne amake keno pro siddonser top leadership frontline cabinet theke baad dilen?ami toh shobshomoy siddonser dole chilam!

Changed it apu!! Very sorry, bhul hoe gese re!!

BANFAN
July 15, 2010, 12:21 AM
100% pro siddons, he doesnt talk nonsense, he doesnt take bull ****.

its our selectors who doesnt present him young promising talent, most probably they dont even know who are they.

....................

HAHAHA :notworthy:

Joke of the century .........

Bhai, I know where they are, Sellectors have completed checking in all the maternity wards of all Bangladesh hospitals. The Young Lara, Tendulkars were unfortunately not their, because they were delivered at home under the midwives/Dai... Sellectors gotta check all houses......;) But unfortunately BCB declined to call them up as they don't have any budget for feeders and milk.... ;)

BANFAN
July 15, 2010, 12:29 AM
Absolutely. Let's do the easiest thing. Blaming others. Siddons is the guilty of all our failure. Change him. Appoint someone new. He will take us on winning track. What we want? A single win after decent break or Win the whole series?

Without having the proper cricket culture / structure, about which we disscussed many times in this forum, A coach will make everything ok? If so, than we should forget about talking regarding Local Cricket Association or having a sporting wicket in domestic level.

First of all you gotto say, what all he made 'ok'? Then we will discuss 'everything', if that's at all expected from him.

Five years back, we had everything else in much more poor condition but performance was improving. We are declining now because of improved structures and all those cliches you attribute as impediments? If that's the case we don't need JS at all, lets have some other guy to fix these structural problems first. What a ridiculous logic of failure. "Nachte na janle, uthan baka"

al-Sagar
July 15, 2010, 01:21 AM
KHELA EKHANE BESH BHALOI JOME UTHECE.

@BUJHEE_KOM BHAI: we need to host a cricket match between PRO-SIDDONS PIRATEZ XIand ANTI SIDDONS ANGRYBOYZ XI. T20 match. u and me will be the 3rd umpire and match referee. the onfield umpires place is up for grabz. so interest ppl can contact BUJHEE_kom bhai.

interested players should meet the head of respective council cabinet with CV to get a chance in their XI. a squad can have unlimited no of players and officials. but only 11 can bat and 11 can bowl and 1 can keep. the rest can field or run as runner whenever wish.

lamisa
July 15, 2010, 02:22 AM
thanks javed bhai for making the correction!

@offstump:i would like to be the enamul haque moni/ashoka de silva and the anti-siddons team can be bangladesh:D

Imteaz
July 15, 2010, 02:44 AM
First of all you gotto say, what all he made ok? Then we will discuss everything, if that's expected from him.

Five years back, we had everything else in much more poor condition but performance was improving. We are declining now because of improved structures and all those cliches you attribute as impediments? If that's the case we don't need JS at all, lets have some other guy to fix these structural problems first. What a ridiculous logic of failure. "Nachte na janle, uthan baka"

You missed the point. Siddons has many problems. But it is our sports culture to blame coach for all failure. Siddons has got both positive & negative qualities. Take the juice out of him and kick him out. That should be our policy. What we (basically BCB) is doing, when there is success the credit goes to everyone but when we fail we start to make a "Bolir Patha".

making Siddons as that bolir patha will never give us anything positive. He will go to his country and find another job. But if we realize our own fault than we will be benefited.

Baka Uthan e Nacha Kintu Koshtokor. Player der age ekta shoja uthan dei tarpore to bola jai je Nachte na Janle Uthan Baka. Ekhon porjonto ekta shoja uthan e to dite parlam na. :)

Another thing, in Cricket, coach's contribution is not like Football. In football Coach has almost 85% contribution for result. In Cricket it is not more than 30%.

al-Sagar
July 15, 2010, 05:44 AM
thanks javed bhai for making the correction!

@offstump:i would like to be the enamul haque moni/ashoka de silva and the anti-siddons team can be bangladesh:D

ok, apamoni, u got selected for one umpire. so we need another umpire who will help pro siddons piratez

Dilscoop
July 15, 2010, 11:08 AM
Bangladesh 234/9 (50 ov) against IRL?? You can't even get past 250 against them? Yes personal achievements! Siddique scored a 100. Yaay Personal Achievements! Cricket is not a 1 man show!

Ireland 185/1 (32.4 ov), I dont see us winning from here.

I am sorry to say this but 63% of this forum member knows NOTHING about cricket. And they are blindly supporting this fool. Carry on.

shabbir
July 15, 2010, 11:32 AM
Now those people who voted for pro siddons,what they will say.He already destroyed our cricket.BCB should sack him immediately.

Dilscoop
July 15, 2010, 11:35 AM
No we should keep him. Because it's not about the team. We will get to see someone else score a 80+ on the next game while everyone else will fail score 10s and 15s. And that's all matters, getting those personal * achievement*. We will never put it together as a team, or do what's best for the team. Why should he be dropped?

Baundule
July 15, 2010, 11:35 AM
After the Ireland loss, I feel sympathy for Siddons. His theories are not working. :(

Baundule
July 15, 2010, 11:38 AM
Bangladesh 234/9 (50 ov) against IRL?? You can't even get past 250 against them? Yes personal achievements! Siddique scored a 100. Yaay Personal Achievements! Cricket is not a 1 man show!

Ireland 185/1 (32.4 ov), I dont see us winning from here.

I am sorry to say this but 63% of this forum member knows NOTHING about cricket. And they are blindly supporting this fool. Carry on.
DS, dhire brother!
Most of us, if not all, are not in any cricket-related profession. We are just fans. We put our opinions based on what we see mainly by watching matches on the field or on TV. We speak our mind, because we want to see our team in a better position. SOme of us are proved right, some of us wrong. But nothing personal, please.

wasi90lkv1
July 15, 2010, 11:41 AM
We have changed so many coaches Mahinder Amarnath to J Siddons. But not getting any positive. Why? Because the problem is with us. We have to change BCB first. It needs to be reformed and good managers should be there. So why not we focus on main problem rather than changing coaches.

Imrul kayes is good player but not fit for ODI he is fit for test cricket , he is a defensive player but nowadays the odi playing style has changed , you need to keep you wicket as well as attack the bowlers, he just doesn't have the attacking mentality he will be very useful for test cricket.
but to replace him we need a consistent guy who is getting runs because imrul kayes is getting runs at least no matter what , if we replace him with another guy who gets out cheaply one match and 50 in one match and 10-13,14 etc.. it wont work out .
About Mahmudullah, he needs to get more runs .
ASHRA FOOOOOOOOLL should be dropped and kicked out, i really don't want him to play for BD Anymore he is hopeless , i don't want BCB to rely on him anymore.
RAkibul is a good replacement for him


two of my favorite posts.

no coach is going to help bangladesh team until players start playing for their country with commitment.

Dilscoop
July 15, 2010, 11:42 AM
@ Baundule: I am sorry, but it is very frustrating how they don't see it. They think it's about PRO v ANTI, when it's about our cricket. It's so annoying how they still use so called personal *improvements* to back JS, when the team is losing pathetically.

Dilscoop
July 15, 2010, 11:46 AM
no coach is going to help bangladesh team until players start playing for their country with commitment.
Can you please stop saying that? You already said that 10 times. Coach is a huge deal in International cricket. Specially for minnow teams. Or else teams wont spend $$ after $$ on coaches. Oz's could say "we are the best we dont need a coach".

Coach is there for a reason. And our coach is not doing his job properly. He is setting a bad mentality and making it a personal thing, being happy with personal improvements, keeping the players satisfied, and that's why the players are not committed to their country. They are busy getting 100s for themselves, or improving avg. playing safe, when they are suppose to do something else

Baundule
July 15, 2010, 11:48 AM
@ Baundule: I am sorry, but it is very frustrating how they don't see it. They think it's about PRO v ANTI, when it's about our cricket. It's so annoying how they still use so called personal *improvements* to back JS, when the team is losing pathetically.
I know it, man. Not only from this very sane forum but also from tougher world outside. Just get the best out of yourself and do not bother much with the rest of the world, if you feel they are wrong.

wasi90lkv1
July 15, 2010, 11:51 AM
it is not like bangladesh used to win before siddons came. our team used to get hammered too; we could not score 200 runs on a regular basis before, now we are doing it almost in every match. we need a few match winning bowlers, things should be back to normal.

shafiul and rubel are not good bowlers in my opinion. if they are the best we have, then it is sad. we need a good bowling coach who can teach these so called pacers how to bowl in the right line and length on a regular basis.

what i am trying to say is, if bangladesh wants to change coach that is fine. but the result may not be different with the new coach until players start to play as a unit. siddons is not there to change their dipers, siddons is there to solve any technical problem players may have (which siddons is doing i believe). winning mentalities should come from the grassroot level.

MohammedC
July 15, 2010, 11:52 AM
I just like to say me being a pro Siddons, did i make BCB keep Siddons for longer. As baundele said we are just a fan who voiced our opinion.
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Raynman
July 15, 2010, 12:08 PM
Here's what it boils down to:

I think we have a bunch of guys with significant potential. Definitely better than an 1-25 international level record. I don't feel Siddons is getting the best out of them AS A TEAM which is the head coach's job. Therefore, I cam calling for a replacement.

Will the next guy be better or provide results ? I don't know. But, if he also comes in with the mindset of defensive approaches, focus on personal stats and pre conceived defeats even before the match starts, then I will also call for his head (no offense to the apas but I don't think we're getting a female coach).

Right now this group needs a motivator. They need someone who can make them believe in winning and performing on a constant basis. Definitely not someone to help justify losses and inconsitancy by patting them on the head and saying they have improved greatly and are doing as expected.

BCBLFC
July 15, 2010, 04:58 PM
I am Pro Bangladesh Cricket Team! With Jamie Siddons or without

One World
July 15, 2010, 05:02 PM
Cannot be Pro-Siddons,

Why?

If Whatmore had those talents he has now we could see wonders becoming regular business for us.

I am not Anti-Siddons as he did a lot of good things which might remain a far-cry if any other coach replaced Whatmore. But again how many Whatmore does really exist in coaching universe?

BASSMAN
July 15, 2010, 05:43 PM
Nachtay na jaanlay bolay uthan beka!

We have to face the facts that are team is very immature. They are just a bunch of kids who have decent talent. The coach cannot magically make them perform better.

Our batsman failures cannot be blamed on the coach.

Our batsman especially do not play with any responsibilty...they are like a bunch of Ashrafuls. And lets face another fact our bowlers are just pawns who actually dont make much of a difference.

So lets not just blame it all on the coach