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rinathq
July 14, 2010, 10:56 AM
Its been long since Rafique left. We still haven't found any spinner even close to Raffique. Sakib is an allrounder. he bowls really well. However we are in desperate need of a strike spinner. Razzaq is becoming very inconsistant and expensive. We need a substitute of Rafique. He was the bowler who was both economical and wicket taker. I dunt know a lot of players in the NCL but BCB should hunt for good spinner. Our spin attack used to be the best when Razzaq was in form and Rafique was playing. But slowly it is going away. Sakib is only one bowler. He is not a superman. He can't bowl well for 2 people. BCB tried Shuvo who failed big times. We need to find somone. allrounders, occasional bowlers won't do.

Remember, the only way we can win games is with our spin attack. Its been like that for Bangladesh all along. So why not focus on that?

I hope you guiss will provide positive feedback and info on the young talents in NCL who shows a lot of prospect for the national team. :)

rahat90
July 14, 2010, 11:03 AM
agreed.
time to see what saqlain sajib can do?

Nadim
July 14, 2010, 11:08 AM
Noor hossain (LS) & Shaker Ahmed(SLA) might get there...or even Mahmudul Hassan (OS)/Sanjamul Islam(SLA)/Tanvir Rahman(LS)...

Mosharaf Hossain Rubel had a good chance but he ruined his own career by joining ICL...

Don't think Shuvo & Saqlain can be half as good as Rafique...So far shuvo looked ORDINARY.

Tiger Manc
July 14, 2010, 11:30 AM
Man if only we had a young Mohammad Rafique and the Razzak of old. What a bowling attack we would've had. 4 economical bowlers plus an expensive wickettaker.

If given time and a good run of games, I honestly think that Shuvo will be a better bowler than Mohammad Rafique and be a lot better with the bat as well MMW!!

nycpro96
July 14, 2010, 11:42 AM
Shuvo should be tried out in the NZ tests at home. Saqlain should be tried out in some A team tours.

Miraz
July 14, 2010, 11:51 AM
Shakib Al Hasan.

He promised to be lot better than Rafique in both batting and bowling. Bowling is still there but batting is going down.

Rafique was a in a different league in terms of hard work and determination, Shakib is lazy and doesn't have a very strong work ethic. If he worked as hard as Rafique, he could become top spinner of the world by a distance.

al-Sagar
July 14, 2010, 11:54 AM
Shuvo should be tried out in the NZ tests at home. Saqlain should be tried out in some A team tours.

provided we make some spinning tracks..... not flat decks we played against england

bujhee kom
July 14, 2010, 12:20 PM
What happenned to Marshall Ayub? He was a leg Spinner and a top order batsman!

Ajfar
July 14, 2010, 12:26 PM
Im sure Rafique wasnt half as good as he was at the end when he was 23 or 24. Shakib has alot of time and a long lng way to go. We are not going to get a ready made Rafique. It all depends on how we develop our spinners and how much opportunity they get and also how bad do they want it.
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bujhee kom
July 14, 2010, 12:31 PM
Im sure Rafique wasnt half as good as he was at the end when he was 23 or 24. Shakib has alot of time and a long lng way to go. We are not going to get a ready made Rafique. It all depends on how we develop our spinners and how much opportunity they get and also how bad do they want it.
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Rifat
July 14, 2010, 12:32 PM
Shakib Al Hasan.

He promised to be lot better than Rafique in both batting and bowling. Bowling is still there but batting is going down.

Rafique was a in a different league in terms of hard work and determination, Shakib is lazy and doesn't have a very strong work ethic. If he worked as hard as Rafique, he could become top spinner of the world by a distance.

Miraz bhai,

If Shakib wasn't lazy he would also easily become the world's greatest batsmen!

he is not that far from the world's top spinner btw...:)

Rifat
July 14, 2010, 12:37 PM
What happenned to Marshall Ayub? He was a leg Spinner and a top order batsman!

still stuck at academies bro...:)

now you know why the Academy teams recently are so bad :floor:

we cheer for players after they score one century or several five wicket hauls we go like YAY! we found our Bangla Vettori :-p

but then when our Bangla Vettori comes to international arena they lose it :-p

sorry for the off-topic, but our Bangla vettori (Shuvo) is a better suited bowler for the longer version than the shorter version....BCB yet again misused yet another player :mad:

Shuvo should be the ideal replacement for Razzak in Tests!

rahat90
July 14, 2010, 01:08 PM
agree 110% with ^^
shuvo should be a test specialist ahead of razaq. maybe use razaq as odi bowler
anyway, any chance that mohamed rafique can stil come into the bd team? i think he can stil cut it at this level for another 1-2 years

godzilla
July 14, 2010, 01:15 PM
Our pacers are not good, our spinners are not good, our batsmen are not good, the head of BCB are not good ... nothing is good :S

bujhee kom
July 14, 2010, 01:34 PM
Tahole amar ki keu nai bhalo? Amar kichui ki nei tahole? Ami ke? Ami ki manush? Ki amar jonmo porichoi? Amar ki hobe? Spinner, pacer, batsmen ekhon ami kothai pabo?

_Rafi_
July 14, 2010, 01:51 PM
Remember, the only way we can win games is with our spin attack. Its been like that for Bangladesh all along. So why not focus

thats the main point. We desperadely need a good wicket taking spinner for winning matches.
But at this point we dont need another SLA as we already have a world class SLA. They are not effective against left handed batsmen. We need a good offspinner or a leggie for getting rid of Lefthanded batsmen. Much needed variation will also be provided by that.

Tiger444
July 14, 2010, 04:53 PM
Shakib Al Hasan.

He promised to be lot better than Rafique in both batting and bowling. Bowling is still there but batting is going down.

Rafique was a in a different league in terms of hard work and determination, Shakib is lazy and doesn't have a very strong work ethic. If he worked as hard as Rafique, he could become top spinner of the world by a distance.

Thats very interesting that you say that..I thought he was a very hard working player who has a very good attitude..if he is known as being lazy then why was he captain then? We definitely don't want a lazy player to be the captain..I actually wonder who the hard working players are then..I thought all these national team players are all very hard working..

BangladeshFan
July 14, 2010, 05:35 PM
In Bd team there should be vacancies for off and leg spinners, but we really dont need a Rafiq like player as too many left arm spinners at the moment.

Dilscoop
July 14, 2010, 05:39 PM
Shakib is not hard work? double-U tee ef! He became #1 ALL rounder just by sitting down and eating khichuri?

And Shakib's class is so far high above than all the current all rounders around the world. The one that comes even close to Shakib is Watson, and today he picked up his 1st test 5fw. And how many does Shakib have? And on the other hand, Vettori can't bat like Shakib. So there you go.

Shakib just lost his batting form, and that's not because he isn't hard working. It's a mental thing. Everyone goes through that.

Dilscoop
July 14, 2010, 05:43 PM
I just want Razzak to go away. We need a replacement for him. Razzak needs to calm down, and return again slowly. I feel he rushed back into the side.

In Bd team there should be vacancies for off and leg spinners, but we really dont need a Rafiq like player as too many left arm spinners at the moment.
How come we haven't had a good leggie. Rafique really set a SLA culture for us. Just like in India, Sachin set a batting culture, and every kid dreams to be a batsman. In Pak, it's other way around.

Tigers_eye
July 14, 2010, 06:53 PM
Not much game left and I don't think there will be any major change in the line up. Raj will remain in the team. The WC is in BD.

Tigers_eye
July 14, 2010, 06:56 PM
Shakib Al Hasan.

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Rafique was a in a different league in terms of hard work and determination, Shakib is lazy and doesn't have a very strong work ethic. If he worked as hard as Rafique, he could become top spinner of the world by a distance.
If this is what a lazy boy can do I just hope I him work hard in my life time. (Head and shoulder above anyone in the world currently) He will make Sir Sobers look silly. Or the assumption of lazy is wrong.

Ajfar
July 14, 2010, 06:57 PM
Not much game left and I don't think there will be any major change in the line up. Raj will remain in the team. The WC is in BD.

Ya he will stay there. And I don't think he is too bad on pitches that are suited for him. And to be honest we really don't have someone in our line up who can replace him. I would like for us to go into the world cup with 2 full time spinner and one all rounder. We most likely won't be playing 3 pacers back home.

Naimul_Hd
July 14, 2010, 09:14 PM
shakib is not a lazy boy...he has just become self-complacent after his achievements. There is a sign of arrogance (at least in my eyes) in his every actions whether its either batting or bowling which wasnt there 1-2 yrs ago. We are just afraid that this arrogance doesnt kill him !

Rifat
July 14, 2010, 09:27 PM
shakib is not a lazy boy...he has just become self-complacent after his achievements. There is a sign of arrogance (at least in my eyes) in his every actions whether its either batting or bowling which wasnt there 1-2 yrs ago. We are just afraid that this arrogance doesnt kill him !

this is the most likely case. I was partially inaccurate when i said he was lazy because his desire to furthur improve his game has dwindled a lot and his recent attitude only indicates that he is lazy while inherently he may be otherwise a very hard worker!

al-Sagar
July 14, 2010, 09:57 PM
Ya he will stay there. And I don't think he is too bad on pitches that are suited for him. And to be honest we really don't have someone in our line up who can replace him. I would like for us to go into the world cup with 2 full time spinner and one all rounder. We most likely won't be playing 3 pacers back home.

shakib and raj should be two spinners.

naeem and mahmudullah should not be the 2 allrounders .... i feel somebody from nasir, mahmusul hasan can step for a allrounder batting at 8.

naeem, mahmudullah should find a place batting in top 7 and mainly 6th/7th bowler if needed. they should be play as MAINLY batsman.

rinathq
July 15, 2010, 12:18 AM
to some ppl,
i am not saying we need players exactly like Rafique. We need a good spinner like him. Everyone is arguing about Sakib's ability. He is still one of our best player. His spin attack is as good as a strike bowler if not better. But he is only one bowler. He can bowl 10 overs in an ODI game. We need a strike bowler who can back him up so we dunt have to have AshraFOOL bowl or Mahmudullah bowl. It will also help get rid of Mahmudullah who is in the team as an allrounder. Funny how he got the title.
Razzaq used to be effective, now his fielding is bad and he is absolutely a waste on condition where it isn't a spin paradise

Ajfar
July 15, 2010, 12:42 AM
shakib and raj should be two spinners.

naeem and mahmudullah should not be the 2 allrounders .... i feel somebody from nasir, mahmusul hasan can step for a allrounder batting at 8.

naeem, mahmudullah should find a place batting in top 7 and mainly 6th/7th bowler if needed. they should be play as MAINLY batsman.

we have to stop forcing our part timers into all rounder category. Its hurting their performance. I think they get a little confused as to what their role is on the team. We need genuine all rounder. Not jora tali marka.

Awla
July 15, 2010, 01:10 AM
We need variation in Spin bowling attack...for last 4-5 years I am only SLA bowlers(Nayeem & Riad are not spin bowlers)....Are there no Right arm Leg Spin or Off spin bowlers in our country?

lamisa
July 15, 2010, 02:49 AM
shakib is not a lazy boy...he has just become self-complacent after his achievements. There is a sign of arrogance (at least in my eyes) in his every actions whether its either batting or bowling which wasnt there 1-2 yrs ago. We are just afraid that this arrogance doesnt kill him !

i also feel the same way.i met a bcb board of director member once and he also told me the same thing that "shakiber collar uchu hoye gese".this is a very bad sign,again it shows the sort of mentality in our team

shakibrulz
July 15, 2010, 04:30 AM
Shakib obviously is better than Rafique, with the bat and with the ball. I bet if he just pays a little attention and shows some temperament, he could be one of the greatest allrounders of the game.

Dilscoop
July 16, 2010, 06:44 PM
we have to stop forcing our part timers into all rounder category. Its hurting their performance. I think they get a little confused as to what their role is on the team. We need genuine all rounder. Not jora tali marka.

Marcus North. Not exactly an all rounder. He is a part time off spin bowler. Picked up 6 wickets today. Shane Watson, used to be a bowling all rounder, or a bowler and a lower order bat. Now he opens the batting, and he is doing great. With the bat and the ball, and one of the leading ALR. AB De Villiers, batted everywhere in the order, and performed. He came in as a keeper, batted lower down the order, then opened, now a middle order batsman. I never heard any one complain about his form, how putting him up and down the order ruined his form/career. Hell even Ashrafool makes a good example for this. Cameron White, was a leg-spinner and a slogger. Now he doesn't even get to bowl. Now he is given a job just as batsman, and he is performing with the bat. Tim Bresnen, pure bowler. And England goes with one less batsman to pick up one extra bowler, and depends on Bresnen to perform with the bat. Even though that's not his job. And he hasn't failed. Not with the bat or the ball. Eng just won the series with one of the most short batting line up. I can go on and on. Players should be able to step up and do the job for the team and win games. They should be able to do what they are asked to do. But I don't mean make Tamim or Imrul into a bowler, or all rounder.

So WE - the fans have to stop making excuses for our players and their failures. 'Oh because he is so low down the order he is not performing.' 'They are killing his career by having him at 7-8'. You DON'T know what is good or bad for them. You don't know what's effecting them or what they are good at.

al-Sagar
July 16, 2010, 09:10 PM
agree 110% with ^^
shuvo should be a test specialist ahead of razaq. maybe use razaq as odi bowler
anyway, any chance that mohamed rafique can stil come into the bd team? i think he can stil cut it at this level for another 1-2 years

i think rafiw may play t20, but he finds it hard to field for 50 overs in ODI. also his ruuning between the wicket is very poor now.

but what rafique can do now is coach our SLA's. shuvo, saqlain, shaker, saju datta, nabil samad, sanjamul ... there are lots of ppl to coach

Rifat
July 17, 2010, 01:13 AM
Marcus North. Not exactly an all rounder. He is a part time off spin bowler. Picked up 6 wickets today. Shane Watson, used to be a bowling all rounder, or a bowler and a lower order bat. Now he opens the batting, and he is doing great. With the bat and the ball, and one of the leading ALR. AB De Villiers, batted everywhere in the order, and performed. He came in as a keeper, batted lower down the order, then opened, now a middle order batsman. I never heard any one complain about his form, how putting him up and down the order ruined his form/career. Hell even Ashrafool makes a good example for this. Cameron White, was a leg-spinner and a slogger. Now he doesn't even get to bowl. Now he is given a job just as batsman, and he is performing with the bat. Tim Bresnen, pure bowler. And England goes with one less batsman to pick up one extra bowler, and depends on Bresnen to perform with the bat. Even though that's not his job. And he hasn't failed. Not with the bat or the ball. Eng just won the series with one of the most short batting line up. I can go on and on. Players should be able to step up and do the job for the team and win games. They should be able to do what they are asked to do. But I don't mean make Tamim or Imrul into a bowler, or all rounder.

So WE - the fans have to stop making excuses for our players and their failures. 'Oh because he is so low down the order he is not performing.' 'They are killing his career by having him at 7-8'. You DON'T know what is good or bad for them. You don't know what's effecting them or what they are good at.

Dilscoop bhai, sorry for the following disrespectful comment:

I have been following your posts lately and this is by far the most mature, accurate, insightful, clear post from you in your promising BC career i have EVER READ!

:bravo: :clap: :up:

shakibrulz
July 17, 2010, 01:39 AM
Marcus North. Not exactly an all rounder. He is a part time off spin bowler. Picked up 6 wickets today. Shane Watson, used to be a bowling all rounder, or a bowler and a lower order bat. Now he opens the batting, and he is doing great. With the bat and the ball, and one of the leading ALR. AB De Villiers, batted everywhere in the order, and performed. He came in as a keeper, batted lower down the order, then opened, now a middle order batsman. I never heard any one complain about his form, how putting him up and down the order ruined his form/career. Hell even Ashrafool makes a good example for this. Cameron White, was a leg-spinner and a slogger. Now he doesn't even get to bowl. Now he is given a job just as batsman, and he is performing with the bat. Tim Bresnen, pure bowler. And England goes with one less batsman to pick up one extra bowler, and depends on Bresnen to perform with the bat. Even though that's not his job. And he hasn't failed. Not with the bat or the ball. Eng just won the series with one of the most short batting line up. I can go on and on. Players should be able to step up and do the job for the team and win games. They should be able to do what they are asked to do. But I don't mean make Tamim or Imrul into a bowler, or all rounder.

So WE - the fans have to stop making excuses for our players and their failures. 'Oh because he is so low down the order he is not performing.' 'They are killing his career by having him at 7-8'. You DON'T know what is good or bad for them. You don't know what's effecting them or what they are good at.


Yep, though the thing is that every team looks for allrounders, and end up grooming half baked playas. Like Ravindra jadeja, Michael Yardy etc. All the above mentioned except Twatson and AB suck bawls as allorunders. Proof? Just look at their figures - neither good at batting, nor at bowlng. They ain't producing any Garry sobers no more, so better stick with genuine batsmen and bowlers, unless he's really worth his place, like say, Shakib.

Ajfar
July 18, 2010, 10:47 AM
Marcus North. Not exactly an all rounder. He is a part time off spin bowler. Picked up 6 wickets today. Shane Watson, used to be a bowling all rounder, or a bowler and a lower order bat. Now he opens the batting, and he is doing great. With the bat and the ball, and one of the leading ALR. AB De Villiers, batted everywhere in the order, and performed. He came in as a keeper, batted lower down the order, then opened, now a middle order batsman. I never heard any one complain about his form, how putting him up and down the order ruined his form/career. Hell even Ashrafool makes a good example for this. Cameron White, was a leg-spinner and a slogger. Now he doesn't even get to bowl. Now he is given a job just as batsman, and he is performing with the bat. Tim Bresnen, pure bowler. And England goes with one less batsman to pick up one extra bowler, and depends on Bresnen to perform with the bat. Even though that's not his job. And he hasn't failed. Not with the bat or the ball. Eng just won the series with one of the most short batting line up. I can go on and on. Players should be able to step up and do the job for the team and win games. They should be able to do what they are asked to do. But I don't mean make Tamim or Imrul into a bowler, or all rounder.

So WE - the fans have to stop making excuses for our players and their failures. 'Oh because he is so low down the order he is not performing.' 'They are killing his career by having him at 7-8'. You DON'T know what is good or bad for them. You don't know what's effecting them or what they are good at.

Dilscoop you are missing my point. Yes Marcus North did what his captain asked him to do. And if he continues to impress with the ball than off course his captain will go to him when ever he needs him. The names you mentioned above are continuing on with the change because they are good at it. Shane Watson will continue to open with the bat because he is doing a good job at it, Cameron White's main job is to bat now and he will continue to do so because is he is doing good at it. And same goes for all the other players you mentioned. These teams did an experiment with these players and it paid off and thats why they are continuing on with it. And I can guarantee you had this experiment not worked out their teams wouldn't have continued on with it.

I didn't like the fact our management was batting naem so low down the order or even using him as a first change bowler. But had it worked out for us it would have been great. My point is someone like Naeem is not capable of bowling as a first change bowler in ODI or any other format in every single match. He is not capable of bowling 10 overs in every single ODI matches and getting wickets on a regular basis and also keeping the runs in check. IMO at best he is a part time bowler. Luck might be on his side in one day and he might even pick up a 5 fer like Aftab Ahmed did once. But doesn't mean it will happen every time. Its not wrong to do an experiment but when clearly its visible that its not working out like the way we wanted it to, we shouldn't continue on with that experiment.

M.H.Rubel
July 18, 2010, 01:16 PM
This is true totally we have failed to produce any replacement of Rafique.Some people were thinking about Surawardy but did not look that much good.So my feeling is we may have to look at Mosharof Rubel
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FagunerAgun
July 18, 2010, 01:39 PM
Im sure Rafique wasnt half as good as he was at the end when he was 23 or 24. Shakib has alot of time and a long lng way to go. We are not going to get a ready made Rafique. It all depends on how we develop our spinners and how much opportunity they get and also how bad do they want it.

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Well stated.

nycpro96
July 18, 2010, 02:33 PM
We still need a good offspinner. And I think Shakib, as an allrounder is a class way higher than anybody else in the world.

al-Sagar
July 18, 2010, 09:21 PM
This is true totally we have failed to produce any replacement of Rafique.Some people were thinking about Surawardy but did not look that much good.So my feeling is we may have to look at Mosharof Rubel
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some time its unfortunate for these new players to come into a team when the team is struggling.

Mosharraf Rubel debuted in the odi agaisnt SA, we got allout for 130ish score. Graeme SMIITH was going boom boom to finish the game and when rubel was introduced smith went more boom boom. similar happened to shuvo. he played some games when england or pakistan was scoring highly .... before his intro raj and shakib went for runs. and when the new guy came they took him to attack.

mosharraf was big loss in the ICL. otherwise he could have been a good player in the swuad now.