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cricman
July 15, 2010, 06:42 PM
We there now Coach

Siddons said this 3 Years Ago, now after repeatedly degrading his Whatmore's accomplishments, he's found a way to one up him.

Thank You Jamie the Transformation is complete, you transformed us from Losers who had some Intestinal Fortitude, Heart, Passion Mixed in w/ Some Confidence and Arrogance. Characteristics that Whatmore and McIness instilled maybe even to a fault for some (Abir) but those are characteristics of Men, and those Men Were No Losers, because it easy to distinguish from losers and future Winners they had ambition.They were Glory Hunters and fighters If you managed to Knock one of them down, as a future Captain did in Harare in 2006, they would come back w/ a vengeance.

Now All I see are scared boys playing, who dont resemble nothing of the prior group only the Opener does and it's no surprise he's the only broght spot, the Captain is still trying to recapture his former vengeance but the rest have a "well I did my part, cant blame me attitude, I put some runs on the board" who haven't once tried to Will the Team to victory and that Attitude comes from the Coach.

You dont have to read the paragraphs just wanted to point out how Siddons made his own Bed by Blasting Whatmore. Dont ever discredit what Whatmore did for us, he was the one answering the Questions regarding Test Status, never publicly called us Inferior but Equals w/ the Rest of the Cricket World, unlike Siddons. He did more w/ less, hell even Ganguly found his Balls again under Whatmore. Siddons has fielded a team made up from a Womens Antony.

One World
July 15, 2010, 07:28 PM
We are no good. Despise us. We do not deserve playing Cricket. Only we are there because the big Asians patronize for us. Thanks for showing the underlying truth of convincing wins against the big boys.

Zeeshan
July 15, 2010, 08:12 PM
What's up with the longass thread title? Dude be taking on vbulletin.

deshprem
July 15, 2010, 11:47 PM
theres threads shooting bcb..n then threads shooting siddons. fahh its endless in here

bujhee kom
July 16, 2010, 12:23 AM
I feel very confused bhais and apas, I am totally lost! Is this the end of our cricket? Is this the end of my life? My game is really over? I can't eat bhais, I can't sleep, I feel I am like crawling through town like a "DIshehara" Pagol Rakhal (mad cowboy)!

rahat90
July 16, 2010, 02:39 PM
some of u guys need to chillax
i think this is the best bd team ever.
we have 3 world class players in tamim shakib and mash
we have other promising players in musy, riyad, junaid, jahurul and shafiul

so we have a good core of 7-8 players and can build around this.

guys like nazimuddin, naeem islam, shariar nafees, kapali would have walked into a bd team of 5 years ago. now tthey arnt even getting a chance.

future for bd is bright

Miraz
July 16, 2010, 02:51 PM
Our current management has managed to kill Naeem Islam who is one of the better players arond, they are now in the process of killing Riyad. I see him dropped when Raqibul comes back.

AsifTheManRahman
July 16, 2010, 02:57 PM
I feel very confused bhais and apas, I am totally lost! Is this the end of our cricket? Is this the end of my life? My game is really over? I can't eat bhais, I can't sleep, I feel I am like crawling through town like a "DIshehara" Pagol Rakhal (mad cowboy)!
Want to survive? Want to make your life meaningful?

The only option for you right now is to kiss the wife in her sleep, put your robe (and nothing else) on, grab a branch, carve it into a stick and wander off to the mountains with one of your dogs as your companion, find yourself a hole in the rocks for shelter, settle down and start seeking eternal salvation for your battered soul through meditation and feeding off wild fruits (no animals and definitely no Burger King).

Come back in a century and a half, fall in love with a robot, wed her, breed her and save the next generation of the world's most intelligent species from going extinct.

Equinox
July 16, 2010, 03:23 PM
Has anyone read what Whatmore had to say about us recently?

RazabQ
July 16, 2010, 04:00 PM
Our current management has managed to kill Naeem Islam who is one of the better players arond, they are now in the process of killing Riyad. I see him dropped when Raqibul comes back.Miraz, let's leave aside Siddons and his coaching acumen/lack thereof for a moment. How do you feel Riyad's career is being killed? By having him come in lower down the order? When he was in form, that mattered not one iota. He was scoring runs against NZ in NZ from that position. He was blasting 50s against India in ODIs from that position. Using position as a reason for poor performance to me seems an easy way out. Are there any other factors you are privy too? Also less said about his bowling the better. You cannot earn the captain's trust if you are going to bowl 1 4 ball per over. The skullduggery was that Riyadh couldn't get a bowl because Shakib was jealous. Well why is Mash so reluctant to use him now then?

I'd agree that Naeem is probably being wasted in the role of part-time spinner who is really a batsman. But the guy is horribly out of form ...

al Furqaan
July 16, 2010, 05:01 PM
perhaps we're just in a bit of a dip on the learning curve...has that possibility crossed anyone's minds?

we're not this bad.

nsd3
July 16, 2010, 05:04 PM
Jak baba Tamim scored some runs vs Ireland yesterday! otherwise we would've heard Tamim is being destroyed now!

Rifat
July 16, 2010, 05:15 PM
Want to survive? Want to make your life meaningful?

The only option for you right now is to kiss the wife in her sleep, put your robe (and nothing else) on, grab a branch, carve it into a stick and wander off to the mountains with one of your dogs as your companion, find yourself a hole in the rocks for shelter, settle down and start seeking eternal salvation for your battered soul through meditation and feeding off wild fruits (no animals and definitely no Burger King).

Come back in a century and a half, fall in love with a robot, wed her, breed her and save the next generation of the world's most intelligent species from going extinct.

Robots do not have reproduction capabilities Asif bhai :smug:, nor do they have child bearing capabilities, nor is there any sense of attraction between "Robots"

The mutual attraction between a male and a female and women's amazing child bearing capabilities is ineed amongst the wonderous signs of the creator of the universe, Allah! :) no creation can replicate it or even come closer,

even if modern science comes close(highly doubtful), your needs will NEVER be saitsfed with a robot...:)

Dilscoop
July 16, 2010, 07:05 PM
Miraz, let's leave aside Siddons and his coaching acumen/lack thereof for a moment. How do you feel Riyad's career is being killed? By having him come in lower down the order? When he was in form, that mattered not one iota. He was scoring runs against NZ in NZ from that position. He was blasting 50s against India in ODIs from that position. Using position as a reason for poor performance to me seems an easy way out. Are there any other factors you are privy too? Also less said about his bowling the better. You cannot earn the captain's trust if you are going to bowl 1 4 ball per over. The skullduggery was that Riyadh couldn't get a bowl because Shakib was jealous. Well why is Mash so reluctant to use him now then?

I'd agree that Naeem is probably being wasted in the role of part-time spinner who is really a batsman. But the guy is horribly out of form ...

Agreed. I just wrote a similar post in some other thread. A Test opener like Mike Hussey, who at one point was dropped from the ODI team being too slow, (even though he managed a higher SR than Imrul in a non-T20 era) who now bats as a finisher/slogger in ODI, T20, bashes 6s, with a high SR while batting at 7. And then goes back at 4 in Test matches, and plays like a Test player, and resumes his slowness, that he was being dropped for. Currently, he is performing in all 3 forms of the game, at different positions, with a different style of batting each time. He changed himself for the teams need. It's not like Aus couldnt find another finisher. But to be in the team he had to be one.

Take about killing someone's career, just by batting him down the order. Wonder what would our fans say if Riyad went though all that I just mentioned. Or what would've happened if Riyad went through all that.

If he is good enough, he should be good enough where ever he bats.

deshprem
July 16, 2010, 10:35 PM
Agreed. I just wrote a similar post in some other thread. A Test opener like Mike Hussey, who at one point was dropped from the ODI team being too slow, (even though he managed a higher SR than Imrul in a non-T20 era) who now bats as a finisher/slogger in ODI, T20, bashes 6s, with a high SR while batting at 7. And then goes back at 4 in Test matches, and plays like a Test player, and resumes his slowness, that he was being dropped for. Currently, he is performing in all 3 forms of the game, at different positions, with a different style of batting each time. He changed himself for the teams need. It's not like Aus couldnt find another finisher. But to be in the team he had to be one.

Take about killing someone's career, just by batting him down the order. Wonder what would our fans say if Riyad went though all that I just mentioned. Or what would've happened if Riyad went through all that.

If he is good enough, he should be good enough where ever he bats.


batting good where ever? these arent australians that have come thru the worlds best coaching n domestic structure, not to mention the 10 000 plus runs in first class. where is hussey, and where is riyad.....

Dilscoop
July 16, 2010, 11:00 PM
The way balls went through his defense against England in test match, I doubt batting at 4/5 will make any difference. And I wasn't comparing Hussey with Riyad. I used him as an example. Hussey changed himself according to the team. There is no way Riyad can bat at top 5 right now. Top 4 is booked by 4 openers. Then there is Shakib and Rahim. #7 is the only room for him. If he wants to be in the team he has to bat there. Batting low doesn't mean it's ruining players career. And that was my point. Not Riyad vs Hussey.

beshideshi
July 16, 2010, 11:28 PM
Miraz, let's leave aside Siddons and his coaching acumen/lack thereof for a moment. How do you feel Riyad's career is being killed? By having him come in lower down the order? When he was in form, that mattered not one iota. He was scoring runs against NZ in NZ from that position. He was blasting 50s against India in ODIs from that position. Using position as a reason for poor performance to me seems an easy way out. Are there any other factors you are privy too? Also less said about his bowling the better. You cannot earn the captain's trust if you are going to bowl 1 4 ball per over. The skullduggery was that Riyadh couldn't get a bowl because Shakib was jealous. Well why is Mash so reluctant to use him now then?

I'd agree that Naeem is probably being wasted in the role of part-time spinner who is really a batsman. But the guy is horribly out of form ...

I do not think Mahmudullah or Nayeem are "killed" yet. They are going through a bad patch and I believe both of them will come back eventually. As far as Raqibul taking Riyad's place, that has to be done, you can't allow an out of form player to take a spot when an inform player is waiting in the sidelines.
Also I think we should stop playing 8 batsmen forever. Having 5 specialist bowlers in the team is a must, specially with a weak bowling attack like ours. Considering the luxury we have with one of our specialist bowler batting in the top 6, picking 5 specialist bowlers in every game should be a norm.

Zeeshan
July 17, 2010, 01:12 AM
Robots do not have reproduction capabilities Asif bhai :smug:, nor do they have child bearing capabilities, nor is there any sense of attraction between "Robots"

The mutual attraction between a male and a female and women's amazing child bearing capabilities is ineed amongst the wonderous signs of the creator of the universe, Allah! :) no creation can replicate it or even come closer,

even if modern science comes close(highly doubtful), your needs will NEVER be saitsfed with a robot...:)

Clearly you haven't met...him (http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab334/omega741/1279346800.jpg)

Rifat
July 17, 2010, 01:20 AM
Clearly you haven't met...him (http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab334/omega741/1279346800.jpg)

last thing you know "him" probably comitted suicide :-p

just keeping it real bro...:)

BANFAN
July 17, 2010, 03:23 AM
Jak baba Tamim scored some runs vs Ireland yesterday! otherwise we would've heard Tamim is being destroyed now!

Your sigh of relief is for Tamim or JS ? Eto bondage ki dia hoilo bhai, amader o shei modhur shondhan ektu den, khali eka khaitesen. Ami to korollar cheyeo tita chara aar kono shaad pachcchi na, in our performance. You must have got something off the cricket field. Please share, eka khaien na. ;)

The secret of Tamim is, he is the only guy JS didnt tamper with his batting. Yes, I give JS credit for that. But recently he was putting too much presure on Tamim by making the team a lot dependant on him. If that notion continues, TI won't last either, none survives that dependant situation. Even SRT struggled in that situation.

Miraz
July 17, 2010, 03:25 AM
Miraz, let's leave aside Siddons and his coaching acumen/lack thereof for a moment. How do you feel Riyad's career is being killed? By having him come in lower down the order? When he was in form, that mattered not one iota. He was scoring runs against NZ in NZ from that position. He was blasting 50s against India in ODIs from that position. Using position as a reason for poor performance to me seems an easy way out. Are there any other factors you are privy too? Also less said about his bowling the better. You cannot earn the captain's trust if you are going to bowl 1 4 ball per over. The skullduggery was that Riyadh couldn't get a bowl because Shakib was jealous. Well why is Mash so reluctant to use him now then?

I'd agree that Naeem is probably being wasted in the role of part-time spinner who is really a batsman. But the guy is horribly out of form ...

Razab bhai, a coach should tell a player clearly about his role in the team and should not play with his position. If you promote someone up due to good batting, you have to keep faith in him and give a fair run before demoting again. Riyad didn't get that backing and on top of that he was underbowled by Sakib. His demotion created a further lack of confidence and now he is not getting runs in the lower order. And, now you get a promising all-rounder who doesn't know his role in the team and is low in confidence. When he used to bowl 7-8 overs in ODI and 20-25 overs in Tests, he always delivered but you cannot expect the same from 1-2 overs (ODI) and 5-6 overs (in Tests) especially from spinners who are rhythm bowlers. This is very poor man management by Siddons

So what is the end result? Selectors will find Riyad an easy target like Naeem to chop and keep someone like Ashraful within the squad. Riyad had the potential to be a world class players if nurtured properly and we are doing the opposite. He deserved better.

nsd3
July 17, 2010, 08:44 PM
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Jak baba Tamim scored some runs vs Ireland yesterday! otherwise we would've heard Tamim is being destroyed now!
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Your sigh of relief is for Tamim or JS ? Eto bondage ki dia hoilo bhai, amader o shei modhur shondhan ektu den, khali eka khaitesen. Ami to korollar cheyeo tita chara aar kono shaad pachcchi na, in our performance. You must have got something off the cricket field. Please share, eka khaien na. ;)

The secret of Tamim is, he is the only guy JS didnt tamper with his batting. Yes, I give JS credit for that. But recently he was putting too much presure on Tamim by making the team a lot dependant on him. If that notion continues, TI won't last either, none survives that dependant situation. Even SRT struggled in that situation.
Bondage, if any, is always with Bangladesh cricket. I just wanted to see knowledgeable fans really contribute reasonably and shun affecting other less knowledgeable fans losing far sightedness. JS was not in the focus in my comments, Bangladesh Cricket was. :-|

Tigers_eye
July 17, 2010, 09:54 PM
Manay English condition'a khela'tow hat'er mowa. I mean too easy for our established batsmen. Heck bring back JO. He averaged 50.

RazabQ
July 19, 2010, 05:46 PM
Miraz, I understand what you are saying. But why is Riyadh's confidence shaken so easily? He's the same player who took a demotion from the side as the spur to score back to back to back centuries in the NL. I am reminded of a quote from McInnis that our players are too often motivated by extrinsic factors. Someone who is driven internally to excel would only worry about the things he could control - namely his own game. Regardless of slot, regardless of # of overs provided. I've watched Riyad bowl - he's just not consistent enough to be a front-line spinner. Go back and check the comments I made even when he was winning matches for us in Windies. If he really wants to be a proper spinner he has to get a much better control on his flight (which is minimal now). And as for batting, if #7 is his lot for now then he should be practicing like hell his improvisation and ability to turn on instantly as opposed to blocking and wasting balls. If you tell me he is putting in all that hard-work and still failing then he's just woefully out of form and then it is the captain/coach/selector's call to decide whether he should play back into form while being in the side or should be dropped.

jisaan
July 20, 2010, 12:46 AM
Razab bhai, a coach should tell a player clearly about his role in the team and should not play with his position. If you promote someone up due to good batting, you have to keep faith in him and give a fair run before demoting again. Riyad didn't get that backing and on top of that he was underbowled by Sakib. His demotion created a further lack of confidence and now he is not getting runs in the lower order. And, now you get a promising all-rounder who doesn't know his role in the team and is low in confidence. When he used to bowl 7-8 overs in ODI and 20-25 overs in Tests, he always delivered but you cannot expect the same from 1-2 overs (ODI) and 5-6 overs (in Tests) especially from spinners who are rhythm bowlers. This is very poor man management by Siddons

So what is the end result? Selectors will find Riyad an easy target like Naeem to chop and keep someone like Ashraful within the squad. Riyad had the potential to be a world class players if nurtured properly and we are doing the opposite. He deserved better.

i, too, have a feeling that his bowling is underutilized. but his main strength is his batting and, in ODIs, when we needed him to accelerate, he failed miserably. He has come a long way in his career and, by now, he should've been able to modify his game.

Having said that, it is also important to note that, English conditions were not ideal for him. it would be unwise to drop him right now.

He still could be a major force in next year's world cup.

lamisa
July 20, 2010, 05:29 AM
riyad is just out of form,that's it...