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rinathq
July 19, 2010, 11:34 AM
The lineup we have got right now is very unbalanced. If you look at our ODI squad. We dunt have a lot of aggressive players here. We only have Tamim. As a result we always have to depend on Mash's lucky day to use the powerplays and get some runs. Look at our batsmen,
Imrul= slow as ****
Zunayed= average. when he tries to hit hard he leaves
Jahirul= Trying but his position at the lineup is not for aggressive batting
Mushy= worst slof over player
Mahumudullah= Whats slog over?
Sakib= he knows how to slog but now just trying to stay on wicket
Faisal= didnt get a lot of chances but he failed on his chance earlier
Raqibul= he is ok at top order.

So basically we have so spark rather than Tamim who plays at opening. The earlier he falls, less runs we make. We need someone fast, aggressive for our powerplays, slog overs. We are always loosing for 30-40 less runs. We need somone at the middle over. Dunt u guiss think so? :)

Murad
July 19, 2010, 11:41 AM
Our OD team should be like this

1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Junaed
4. Jahurul (wk)
5. Raqibul/Faisal/Naeem
6. Riyad
7. Shakib
8. Mashrafe
9. Razzak
10. Shafiul
11. Rubel/Rasel/Nazmul/another spinner

Mushy should be out of the OD and T20 team. Jahirul is better keeper than him and better batsman in this version. He should play in Tests only.

Firoz
July 19, 2010, 11:44 AM
I think we need alok kapali in odis instead of naeem or riyad. He is a very good hitter of the ball.
He showed it in the icl. He is perfect for the slog overs.

rahat90
July 19, 2010, 11:54 AM
MY perfect ODI team would be like this:
3 pacer and one spinner. (Maybe 2 pacers and 2 spinners in spin friendly)
As bd have a true allrounder in shakib, maybe they can play 3 pacers and 2 spinners.

Therefore, the team should have 7 batsman (including the wicket keeper and allrounder shakib). We should not rely on #8 - 11 to get us the runs.
Out of the 7 batsman, 2 must be openers(imrul/tamim/Junaid). 2 must be able to hold the innings (rokibul/mushy), 2 must be neutral (Jahurul/Shakib). and most importantly, one of them MUST be a finisher.
It is the latter we do not have, as we have one too many a batsman in the lineup as u can see above. Naeem or Riyad looked like they could perform that role, but maybe they are not up to it. Nazimuddin or alok kapali or aftab could potentially to take that spot (most probs #7 in the batting lineup), but imo bd do not have a good enough finisher atm, so looks like imrul would continue to occupy that spot and disrupt the balance.

chotpoti
July 19, 2010, 12:03 PM
The lineup we have got right now is very unbalanced. If you look at our ODI squad. We dunt have a lot of aggressive players here. We only have Tamim. As a result we always have to depend on Mash's lucky day to use the powerplays and get some runs. Look at our batsmen,
Imrul= slow as ****
Zunayed= average. when he tries to hit hard he leaves
Jahirul= Trying but his position at the lineup is not for aggressive batting
Mushy= worst slof over player
Mahumudullah= Whats slog over?
Sakib= he knows how to slog but now just trying to stay on wicket
Faisal= didnt get a lot of chances but he failed on his chance earlier
Raqibul= he is ok at top order.

So basically we have so spark rather than Tamim who plays at opening. The earlier he falls, less runs we make. We need someone fast, aggressive for our powerplays, slog overs. We are always loosing for 30-40 less runs. We need somone at the middle over. Dunt u guiss think so? :)

couldnt agree with everyone except riad and imrul. Others r fine. jaharul,Zuniad are doing a good job.ya even mushy and sakib are doing good.

lets not blame the players , lets blame the timing of powerplay and poor tactics

BCBLFC
July 19, 2010, 12:47 PM
In the ODI's we have had in recent times, we have played well in certain facets of the game but have not been able to put the total game together. For example for most of the matches we have batted well for the first 30 overs or so with good runs and wickets in hand but we have lost wickets and struggled to make a big score, 250+ which we were consistenly doing last year. It's just a case of getting tactics right and the players all clicking together. (and Shafiul batting higher than Razzak in ODI's)

rinathq
July 19, 2010, 12:54 PM
couldnt agree with everyone except riad and imrul. Others r fine. jaharul,Zuniad are doing a good job.ya even mushy and sakib are doing good.

lets not blame the players , lets blame the timing of powerplay and poor tactics

I dunt see how u saying Musy is doing well. He is averaging 23 with a 65 strike rate. In ODI, this guy would be kicked even if he played for Canada. Sakib, well the only match he batted well but with a very slow strikerate was against Ireland. His past 10+ matches record have been horrible. Almost identical to Ash.
Also i never said Jahirul is doing bad. Zunaid, well he is doing good but inconistently.

And well our players can't even utilize the Powerplays at all. Doesn't matter when they are being taken. Because most of the times there are 2-3 batsmen left. And yea u r right poor tactics. (BY the players!)

rinathq
July 19, 2010, 12:56 PM
In the ODI's we have had in recent times, we have played well in certain facets of the game but have not been able to put the total game together. For example for most of the matches we have batted well for the first 30 overs or so with good runs and wickets in hand but we have lost wickets and struggled to make a big score, 250+ which we were consistenly doing last year. It's just a case of getting tactics right and the players all clicking together. (and Shafiul batting higher than Razzak in ODI's)

Days of hitting 250 is over dude. They have power plays now. If 250 was better back then, now 270+ is ok. not everyteam is like Bangldesh. They can utilize the powerplays well

rinathq
July 19, 2010, 12:59 PM
The thing is all our top order batsmen plays defensively thinking there is a powerplay and the middle order players will be able to take more risks if they have wickets. But our middle over batsmen are Mushy, Mahmudullah, Sakib. Sakibs fine. But i want Mahmudullah replaced with Alok Kapali and Mushy replaced with Aftab. But i dunt want Mushy out of the team. I want Imrul out and Zunaid opening thus Mushy taking Zunaid's place.

Tamim
Zunaid
Mushy
Jahirul
Raqibul/ Faisal
Sakib
Alok
Aftab
Mash
Shafiul
Razzaq/ Rubel (depending on what type is better for the pitch)

This should be balanced. Spark at the beginning, Steady improvement at the top and middle and late fireworks at the end. This team is capable of scoring 270+ easily. On the upside, we have Alok that is a better bowler than Mahmudullah.

simon
July 19, 2010, 01:02 PM
why do we always worry so much abt our batting?
it's our bowling which is poor & we need to work on it.

rinathq
July 19, 2010, 01:05 PM
why do we always worry so much abt our batting?
it's our bowling which is poor & we need to work on it.

Because we love our batsmen! :)
honestly, because our batsmen have never been able to pull a victory with their effort yet.

simon
July 19, 2010, 01:39 PM
^^I know,we all like our batsmen but we can never win if we don't get 20 wickets regularly in Tests & stop letting our opponents get 280+ in odis & 400+ in Tests.
It's only in T20s that our batting is a biiiiiggggg concern!
BTW,what happened to the new bowling coach,the JSid's amigo??

Raynman
July 19, 2010, 01:59 PM
MY perfect ODI team would be like this:
3 pacer and one spinner. (Maybe 2 pacers and 2 spinners in spin friendly)
As bd have a true allrounder in shakib, maybe they can play 3 pacers and 2 spinners.

Therefore, the team should have 7 batsman (including the wicket keeper and allrounder shakib). We should not rely on #8 - 11 to get us the runs.
Out of the 7 batsman, 2 must be openers(imrul/tamim/Junaid). 2 must be able to hold the innings (rokibul/mushy), 2 must be neutral (Jahurul/Shakib). and most importantly, one of them MUST be a finisher.
It is the latter we do not have, as we have one too many a batsman in the lineup as u can see above. Naeem or Riyad looked like they could perform that role, but maybe they are not up to it. Nazimuddin or alok kapali or aftab could potentially to take that spot (most probs #7 in the batting lineup), but imo bd do not have a good enough finisher atm, so looks like imrul would continue to occupy that spot and disrupt the balance.


I agree with the thinking process. We need to select based on team needs and strategy.

Each format should be handled on its own.

bujhee kom
July 19, 2010, 02:15 PM
I totally agree with you Rinat bhai, Rahat bhai, Raynman bhai! This team line-up we are using for a while is very unbalanced and it's just not right. And as Raynman bhai said, for each format of match we should have three different best possible line ups!!

rinathq
July 19, 2010, 03:15 PM
I agree with the thinking process. We need to select based on team needs and strategy.

Each format should be handled on its own.

i agree with both of u guiss:)
for example: for ODI we should train these players better : Aftab, Alok, Nazimuddin, Saghir, Nafees and so on. we should never drag them onto test even if they are world class at ODI

for T20= same as ODI and Ash.
For test= Raqibul, Faisal, Shuvogoto, Rajin and so on. These players would do better at that format.
BCB must plan these now. Great players have failed because they were tested on format they were not comfortable playing. for example, Habibul Bashar. He was never an ODI player. But mainly due to his poor performance at ODIs he was kicked out. If he was still here, our test batting lineup would not have lacked what we call experience

bujhee kom
July 19, 2010, 03:43 PM
An unbalanced team that is definitely eating an unbalanced diet!

dark mage
July 20, 2010, 06:36 AM
I want to see Nazimuddin open with Tamim. I mean the guy has done everything to get a call-up but the selectors keep ignoring him...And enough with the Kapali stuff please! I mean have you guys seen him recently? He is nowhere match-fit and he hast played in any of the games for Bangladesh A even though he was selected.

Equinox
July 20, 2010, 06:49 AM
My ODI squad for New Zealand:
Tamim Iqbal
Imrul Kayes
Zunaed Siddique
Rokibul Hasan
Shakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim+
Foisal Hossain
Mashrafe Mortaza*
Abdur Razzak
Shafiul Islam
Syed Rasel

Jahirul Islam
Mahmudullah
Nasir Hossain
Rubel Hossain

Enough with playing openers as middle-order batsmen. Select either Imrul or Jahirul in the playing XI and the other waits for his turn. Either Nasir or Shuvagoto must be selected. And no Aftab please.

beshideshi
July 20, 2010, 06:52 AM
Most of the teams think twice before playing the 7th batsmen, on the other hand we are playing the 8th batsman without any hesitation for a while. I simply could not swallow the fact that we played with 4 specialist bowlers, specially when one of those 4 bats in the top 6. Playing 8 batsmen is a very defensive move. My ideal balance would be the one used during the 2nd ODI at Bristol. 3 Seamers+1 Spinner+Shakib+6 Batsmen= victories :D

Tigers_eye
July 20, 2010, 07:11 AM
Alok and Aftab is the most over-rated cricket players in all of cricket. They make the team more imbalanced in ODI and test format. Both are unfit and physically in no position to compete in the highest level. They are in the mid 20's and already manufactured bhuri's (not in genes). Disgrace to the professional athletes. I am glad Bd can look away from these players who don't have the drive to work hard. Alok can not purchase 3 overs in local competition. How is he going to bowl 10 overs?

mij
July 20, 2010, 07:47 AM
:up:Alok and Aftab is the most over-rated cricket players in all of cricket. They make the team more imbalanced in ODI and test format. Both are unfit and physically in no position to compete in the highest level. They are in the mid 20's and already manufactured bhuri's (not in genes). Disgrace to the professional athletes. I am glad Bd can look away from these players who don't have the drive to work hard. Alok can not purchase 3 overs in local competition. How is he going to bowl 10 overs?