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_Rafi_
July 21, 2010, 09:13 AM
Mashrafe's promotion to captaincy was temporary according to BCB. They will determine a permanent captain for worldcup before the next series of BD from one of Shakib and Mashrafe. Who should get the role? Mashrafe who has lost 3 out of 2 against associates and won 1 out of 3 against England? Or Shakib who won only his first series against WestIndies and then lost many matches despite some good competition and never had a chance to captain against Minnows?

Raynman
July 21, 2010, 09:24 AM
There are aspects of captaincy that I like from both of them but here is something that is bothersome to me:

Shakib : Overuses himself and takes on too much pressure and has little faith in other bowlers

Mash : Distributes the bowling better but underuses Shakib. Tends to use Shakib as the 4th bowling option.

Both : Unimaginative in the batting line up (probably more Siddons then them).

Having said that, I think Mash is a better solution for now as he somewhat balances out the team vs. the Batting Only idea of Siddons.

The NZ and the WI/ZIM series can decide if Shakib should take it back for the World Cup.

Any chance of convincing Rafique to unretire and come back for the WC as the 2nd spin option and captain?

_Rafi_
July 21, 2010, 09:28 AM
^^Rafique isn't a good option for captaining. And BCB will decide before Nz/Zim series

meazz1
July 21, 2010, 09:32 AM
I say bring Ash back, from this point, we can't do any worse.
That way there's no pressure on either Shak or Mash.

Raynman
July 21, 2010, 09:42 AM
^^Rafique isn't a good option for captaining. And BCB will decide before Nz/Zim series

I know it won't happen but what makes you say he wouldn't be good.

He has a positive approach, plays to win, is respected by the players both in our team and internationally.

Ananna
July 21, 2010, 10:13 AM
My vote is for Mashrafee.
I think as captain, sakib's mindset is very defensive in the field.
I am not sure how much say our captain has on batting matters i.e. batting order and when to take power play. I think these are decided by Taklu and I must admit he is very very consistent. Our batting order never changes no matter what the match situation is. Same is true for PP. Its gotta be overs 46 thru 50.

Ajfar
July 21, 2010, 10:18 AM
It depends Shakib is very important in our batting and bowling line up if his form is worry than the last thing I would want to think about is how is the captaincy. Same goes for Mash
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BANFAN
July 21, 2010, 10:20 AM
Man you ask for a verdict on a guy after 1 month and not on the guy who spent 32 months as the coach? Has he (mash) yet got the control of the team yet?

What he could have added was some inspiration and he did it well which brought us the victory. Although Awarding Mash MOM inthat match was unjust and damaging for us. It should have been either Kayes for that innings with bat or Shafiul for that excellent last over. These demotivate a young team & young performers. It was coaches responsibility to minimise the effects. Instead the guy was dropped against an easy opponent on paer, What a return for performing his heart out. What an inspirational leader JS is. Why blame a captain who isn't even in full control as a captain?

wiseshah
July 21, 2010, 10:26 AM
mashrafe gets my vote

but i want him to finish his quota in first 40 overs, please dont bring ur self in last 10 overs, u will get killed by any opposition

MohammedC
July 21, 2010, 10:26 AM
Let's have double captain. Both mash and shak can be the captain. They just have to take turns in toss.
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lamisa
July 21, 2010, 10:36 AM
i don't think that shakib should be the captain,it will put too much pressure on him and he is not even in the best of forms.mash on the other hand seems like a fair captain to me whereas shakib's bowling changes were not always fair.mash has been playing international cricket longer than shakib and he has always been the star in our team so in that sense i think he is more appropriate to be our captain

Baundule
July 21, 2010, 10:43 AM
Mashrafe is a better option, assuming Siddons has less control over him compared to Shakib. Given the full freedom, Shakib is as good as Mash and Ashraful is better than both of them. Mushfiq also has a captain-brain, although I do not like him as a wicket-keeper. Our main problem is not 'who' the captain is, it is all about how much freedom and respect he gets from the team-management.

BCBLFC
July 21, 2010, 11:07 AM
Initially when Shakib was replaced I was disappointed as I thought he had shown good promise. However, despite the recent two losses, I was very impressed with Mashrafe's captaincy during the second ODI against England. He seems to have the experience but is also positive in the field as was epitomised by putting the slip in for the wicket of Luke Wright. Also, since becoming captain he also seems to be bowling better, perhaps the extra responsibility is good. Also, Shakib and Mash seem to be getting on well with eachother so Shakib as vice captain isa a very good option espcially if he takes an active role as he seemed to during the England series.

wasi90lkv1
July 21, 2010, 11:22 AM
mashrafe should be the captain i think.

roman
July 21, 2010, 12:24 PM
if some one has a true leadership skill in Bangladesh its Shahriar Nafees and Nafees Iqbal. Too bad they are both out of the team due to injury and bad form. Both of them are very smart and most important is that they are both educated. Believe me we do need an educated and smart captain.

Spitfire_x86
July 21, 2010, 12:32 PM
The NZ and the WI/ZIM series can decide if Shakib should take it back for the World Cup.
When are these series taking place? I see nothing scheduled before world cup in cricinfo or bc

Murad
July 21, 2010, 12:36 PM
When are these series taking place? I see nothing scheduled before world cup in cricinfo or bc

NZ series in October. Then zimbabwe series. In January we might have an ODI series against WI (not confirmed)

MohammedC
July 21, 2010, 12:54 PM
When are these series taking place? I see nothing scheduled before world cup in cricinfo or bc

BLACKCAPS Schedule

NZ Summer 2010/2011


BLACKCAPS in Bangladesh
BLACKCAPS in India
BLACKCAPS host Pakistan
ICC World Cup in Asia

http://www.blackcaps.co.nz/international/blackcaps/2/schedule.aspx

tiger1000
July 21, 2010, 01:04 PM
to early to judge mortaza's captaincy

rinathq
July 21, 2010, 08:37 PM
Mash all the way, Sakib will play better when he is not the captain. Everyone except Sakib seems to agree with the decision, Mash looks confident, realistic, energetic and the captaincy is improving him as well

beshideshi
July 21, 2010, 08:45 PM
This is something I have observed when Shakib was the captain;
I don't think anyone can argue that we do not have any player of Shakib's caliber in our team. He is our no.1 bowler, one of our main match winner with the bat and a terrific fielder. This leads to Shakib's frustration in the field, he is a genius and expects most of the players to perform at his level and when others fail to do so, Shakib gives up and goes on the backfoot.
Not everyone will be at their best in every game, Shakib will learn that in time.
on the other hand, Mash seemed like a better motivator in the team, and the burden of captaincy has given birth to some extra responsibility in him. he bowled better, batted with purpose and used the bowlers well. And when you consider Mash has about 7 more years of international experience, you will have to say Mash is the ideal captain for Bangladesh at this moment. At least till 2011 WC Mash should be our captain.
PS: I really wish Mushy becomes our captain in the long run, I really want to see him as a captain

reyme
July 21, 2010, 08:53 PM
The way Shakib led the team against Windies last year, I have to say he is the best captain BD has even seen. His recent failures are due to the direct impact of an incompetent coach who does not even know when to take a batting PP. A right coach shpould be able to bring the best out of him. He is not as emotional, and when the right gameplan is in place with the proper direction from an experienced head coach, Shakib is bound to shine.

22Yards
July 21, 2010, 09:24 PM
Mash
since making him the captain is making him more responsible
and concurrently taking the pressure from Shakib who seems to be making some progress to regain his lost form. Its a win win from this angle. but in reality. neither one of that is enough to help us win against even the associate states as we just lost to them adding more humiliation.

_Rafi_
July 22, 2010, 07:57 AM
Man you ask for a verdict on a guy after 1 month and not on the guy who spent 32 months as the coach? Has he (mash) yet got the control of the team yet?....
Why blame a captain who isn't even in full control as a captain?

there are atleast 7-8 threads running on discussing how Siddons is liable for this situation atm. Why do want more thread to be created on same matter? Why should all blame to be put on Mash? Captain of a team is also liable for any lose. Mash cant get away from his liability even though he experienced his captaincy for only one month. But I agree with you verdict cant be given on him after only one month of playing. But according to Lotus Kamal BCB is going to appoint the permanent captain on basis of this tour. So there will not be any further time available assessing his leadership quality.

BANFAN
July 22, 2010, 08:08 AM
there are atleast 7-8 threads running on discussing how Siddons is liable for this situation atm. Why do want more thread to be created on same matter? Why should all blame to be put on Mash? Captain of a team is also liable for any lose. Mash cant get away from his liability even though he experienced his captaincy for only one month. But I agree with you verdict cant be given on him after only one month of playing. But according to Lotus Kamal BCB is going to appoint the permanent captain on basis of this tour. So there will not be any further time available assessing his leadership quality.

Well, I didn't know that this tour was destined to decide on a permanent captain. Any way, he can be responsible for decision he took alone on field, but not for the overall standard of the team.

:0 Please don't open another JS thread, you may put your thoughts there.

Purna
July 22, 2010, 09:49 AM
According to me...Mashrafee will prove to be a better captain....reason gulo amar moner bhetorei rakhi!

simon
July 22, 2010, 10:14 AM
So far I'm for Mash considering the fact that Sakib's gave up the captaincy to get some form & it seems working.
And MAsh looked ok too.
But still I'm not determined abt the world cup,let's see how Mash does vs NZ.

lamisa
July 23, 2010, 10:39 AM
if some one has a true leadership skill in Bangladesh its Shahriar Nafees and Nafees Iqbal. Too bad they are both out of the team due to injury and bad form. Both of them are very smart and most important is that they are both educated. Believe me we do need an educated and smart captain.

ummm,does anyone here know how educated or what mash and shakib are studying,if they are studying at all that is?

roman
July 23, 2010, 11:33 AM
ummm,does anyone here know how educated or what mash and shakib are studying,if they are studying at all that is?

I dont know about Shahriar Nafees but Nafees Iqbal used to go to Maple Leaf International in Dhanmondi. He was in our School Nirman team. As far as Shahriar Nafees i think he is doing his BBA from NSU or some other private university

Equinox
July 23, 2010, 04:34 PM
ummm,does anyone here know how educated or what mash and shakib are studying,if they are studying at all that is?
Shakib goes/went to AIUB in Banani.

lamisa
July 24, 2010, 09:32 AM
SN is from DU,i am sure of that.but what about mash?heard that mushy goes to jogonnath college