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February 2, 2004, 01:15 AM
wining by 6 runs and 11 runs is not comfort, but it is rather discomfort. i would rather loss and say it was there day than to say bangladesh is just a little better than nam.
that is truely sad, all of a sudden zim tour does not seem to bring good thoughts. by watching the vb series, zim is no doubt playing really well right now. and some how our wins seem to say our best might not be good enough.
[Edited on 2-2-2004 by kkakash]
February 2, 2004, 01:29 AM
Oh cme on, cheer up... we are bad at ODIs anyway... our srength is in our test cricket, Allahr-rahmatha...
February 2, 2004, 10:06 AM
[Edited on 6-9-2004 by Nascer]
February 2, 2004, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Nascer
I have a feeling even a club in Dhaka would fair better against these sides.
C'mon you must be exaggerating. I do agree that our performance was pathetic against a rookie side like Namibia. The bowling department is a total failure. They should have convincingly bowled out the Namibians. Still a win is a win. Spirit should be boosted up by these 2 wins. What if they lost both te OD's? Can you imagine how shocking it would be for their mental mindset?
Let us welcome the victory and hope that the bowling department will be more consistant and organised on forthcoming matches.
P.S. I wonder if our ground fielding was also a failure? Or how could they give away somany runs in the first OD? How many catches were dropped, that was also a question.
February 2, 2004, 11:10 AM
P.S. I wonder if our ground fielding was also a failure? Or how could they give away somany runs in the first OD? How many catches were dropped, that was also a question
I totally agree with this point.
February 2, 2004, 11:34 AM
A four is a four
An out is an out
A win is a win.
February 2, 2004, 11:42 AM
Just wondering why we should be soooo down! Almost everyone agrees that our test team is now better than the limited-over-team. This team is very very young!! specially so interms of bowling!! Unfortunately the bowlers that were groomed earlier (Mashrafee, Talha, Sharif) are unavialble. These new set of bowlers does not even have much experience in domestic league!!! So we can't expect much from them. The experienced ones (Rafique, Taposh) are doing just fine. Don't you think this is the best chance for the youngsters to get experience? These youngsters are the best among what we have. Most of our batters are also very young!!! If Ahraful, Rajin, Hannan, Alok, Rana, Mushfique materialize their full potential (I will expect that to happen in the next couple of years), I will say our future had never looked brighter!!! I will offcourse agree with you all that we need to find adequate support for Mashraffe. And Namibia is only slightly behind us! Looking at Kenyan one-day team I am pretty sure experience is one of the key ingredients that we are missing! Once our players have that we will be able to give the stronger sides a real scare!
February 2, 2004, 11:45 AM
I completely agree that a win is a win. In addition to that I would like to point out that this is a practice match. A practice match is a "practice match", nothing more.
A luxury only afforded for test playing nations.
For Namibia, the onus is on them to prove things and do the climbing up ladders. Bangladesh has done all that and should be doing everything as a preparation to face Zim. Practice includes giving all the players practice and rotating weaker/stronger players.
[Edited on 2-2-2004 by oracle]
February 2, 2004, 12:04 PM
We will be fine against Zimbabwe. It was great to see Ashraful playing a responsible innings. If he along with alok can return to form in the middle order, we will be in good shape, talking about the test series. I don't want to make to much about the namibia series. In a few years, when hannan, alok, rajin and ash mature we will have a core of very good young test players who will service the country for a long time. I have that hope and faith. they have all the talent. With playing time and they will learn all the perks and tricks. So, dont worry banglanation!! relax and watch.
February 2, 2004, 12:40 PM
A positive is that Bangladesh doesn't have much experience winning. As we saw, we can't even win against Canada and Kenya. Namibia is now not too far behind Kenya, and may even be on par. I don't think we can discredit their improvement. So just winning close games is good for experience, no matter against who.
Couple of things I have to question from previous posts here:
- how is our test team different than the one day team - I know we are more competitive in tests, but personnel are the same more or less
- these second string pacers actually are not that new. other than kabir, the others have been touring, playing for a long time. monir and tareq aziz are not getting better and we need to look in a new direction.
[Edited on 2-2-2004 by rafiq]
February 2, 2004, 01:45 PM
In tests, the prime duty of our batsmen are to occupy the crease. There is hardly any need for us to score fast and to force a result. Almost all the time the onus is on the opposition. The one thing that our batsmen has definetely improved is in their ability to leave the deliversies. They now have a much better sense of their off-stumps. It was very evident both against Pakistan and Australia. They could wait for the bowlers to feed to their strength. But we don't have that luxury in limited over matches. Batsmen have to score whether the bowlers are bowling well or not. They have to improvise if necessary. Finding the gaps, running between the wickets, disrupting bowlers' line and length become much more important. That is something that needs a lot of experience. I'm sure we will improve with time.
And for the bowlers also it is easier to bowl in tests although it might sound little bit strange. With the limited bowling resources, we need to give our bowlers a lot of protection in the field. That is easier in the Test. Moreover the batsmen usually don't go after them like they do in one-day matches.
[Edited on 2-2-2004 by Optimist]
February 2, 2004, 01:55 PM
We don't have lots of good bowlers yet. So in ODI, we just have to live with using Rafiq for 10 overs, while in tests, we can bowl our top bowlers lot more than others.
February 2, 2004, 02:27 PM
[i] practice match is a "practice match", nothing more.
[Edited on 2-2-2004 by oracle]
EXACTLY. remember when england fared so bad against our u 19 and "A" team. they just took it like a practice match. because it WAS a practice match. they got used to the weather, to the pitch, all spent some batting time in the middle, bowlers bowled to get themselves ready for tests.
same with namibia. whatmore is playing different strings of players to give everyone a chance to spend time in the middle. because this is practice.
i am more than confident we will be fine against zimbabwe.
February 2, 2004, 03:02 PM
Long live the optimists...down with the pessimists...just kidding :P
Seriously! we are reading too much into the match results...what we need is for our batsmen to find some form...thats the area we can show a LOT of improvement...our bowling with the current crew is not gonna be a whole lot better...it is still decent...batting is the concern and that is whatmore is rightly focusses on...
Namibia have nothing to lose...they are playing out of their skins...they aare on high sincce their impressive performances against Zim A. They are also battle-hardened! They play in the SOuth African domestic competition!!! Lets not underestimate them. Don't we get all hyper when fans from other test playing nations crap on us.
February 2, 2004, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Rajputro
A four is a four
An out is an out
A win is a win.
So, nobody should complain if BD loss aganist Namibia, which is very possible in the final ODI.
February 2, 2004, 04:11 PM
A loss is a loss...
So go for complaining when lost a game.
February 2, 2004, 06:20 PM
over some practice matches against Namibia.The point is to acclimatize, get into rhythm and fine tune. How many times have we seen Test sides lose practice games against domestic team at the beginning of an away series? In 97, Australia lost against Derbyshire in the practice match and still ended up winning the Ashes quite convincingly.
This is the time for us to give all the players a game or two, let them experiment a little bit and allow them to figure out how best to perform in these conditions. And secondly, as Rafiq bhai has said, these close win experiences are actually good for our team because if they get into similar situations against Zimbabwe, they will be able to draw from recent experiences of such situations, albeit against a different side.
February 2, 2004, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Sham
How many times have we seen Test sides lose practice games against domestic team at the beginning of an away series? In 97, Australia lost against Derbyshire in the practice match and still ended up winning the Ashes quite convincingly.
I defer to this point. Giants like Australia has the luxury to lose a practice match prior to a test/ODI series. Their mindset is strong enough to bounce back against any team in any given day.
Bangladesh is not Australia, neither they are any strong test playing nation for that matter. Again, what if they lost in these 2 OD's against Namibia? What if they have to lose in forthcoming 3-day match? What do you think will they not then lose the faith of their self ability, self confidence, the killing instinct?
This is exactly why we are concerned about their ability to win convincingly against the second string Namibia. This is why we are concerned about our bowlers to have the ability of bowling the opponent out in stipulated 50 overs. Getting mentally stooped down before facing Zimbabwe makes no sense.
After all, Bangladesh team is not Aussie.
February 3, 2004, 12:01 AM
I don't understand this entire hullabaloo about Namibia's strength and our discomfort etc. what discomfort??
If Mongolia plays better Kabaddi than us - so be it.. All we have to do is to think about how we can improve.
Please, enough with this negative vibes and pessimism...
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