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Nadim
July 30, 2010, 12:04 PM
Source: SkySports.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=101763


:goal: by N.Hussain :D:fanflag:


I loved it when he said that....:flag:

shabbir
July 30, 2010, 12:07 PM
Nasser Hussain said today during Pakistan batting.May be it is just a comment after watching Pakistan pathetic batting display.Guys what you think?

magic boy
July 30, 2010, 12:17 PM
lol I am enjoying the comments over PP...very comical and true!

thanx for bringing it up Nadi!! :up:

any video clip available?

simon
July 30, 2010, 12:18 PM
lol,I don't usually visit PakPassion but after this pathetic Pak batting I felt that there might be a comparaison between BD-Pak batting.:-D & guess what..
Man,khub moja lagchey.
if any1 finds that in video when Nasser said that pls post it.:-D
I also think we need to exchange the coach of these 2 teams,we give them Siddons & they give us Waqar.:) Grt deal it will be.

AsifTheManRahman
July 30, 2010, 12:25 PM
Ireland/Netherlands ke harate na parle eshob fao jinish niye lafalafi kore labh nai. Being better than Pakistani batsmen isn't really much of an achievement. Even Kervezee is better than them.

Anyways, merged -mod.misc.

abdulrahee
July 30, 2010, 12:32 PM
what's the big point about it
every top batsman in the world is better than paki batsmans right now
so what?

ahnaf
July 30, 2010, 12:36 PM
Bhaloi lagteche dheika.. Kothata vul bole nai.. Ai pakistan e bhalo batsman nai.. Bowler r karone tike ache.. Yousuf,younus k na anle eder kopale durgoti ache specially in test as well as 1day..

_Rafi_
July 30, 2010, 12:37 PM
what's the big point about it
every top batsman in the world is better than paki batsmans right now
so what?

because Naser Hossain praises one of BD players and since we currently dont have nothing to proud of taking his statement very highly. Nothing against Pakistan here.

Murad
July 30, 2010, 12:37 PM
onner ghaa dekhe amra edaning onek happy hoye jai..:sick:

_Rafi_
July 30, 2010, 12:40 PM
Pakistan might not batting well against England, Australia but they know how to bash lower team. The Pak humiliation in Asia cup still fresh in my mind. Our batsmen including Tamim yet to learn these.

meazz1
July 30, 2010, 12:43 PM
I also heard that someone's grandma can better than someone from BD... go figure.

al Furqaan
July 30, 2010, 12:49 PM
Ireland/Netherlands ke harate na parle eshob fao jinish niye lafalafi kore labh nai. Being better than Pakistani batsmen isn't really much of an achievement. Even Kervezee is better than them.

Anyways, merged -mod.misc.

ireland and netherlands wouldnt last against us in a 4/5 day game unless the pitch had crazy seam and swing, in which chase they could keep it close. but if shahadat has one of his lords days, or shafi plays to his potential, thats enough pace firepower for an associate.

i don't think our ODI inadequacies should be mis-projected onto our test performance when recent scorecards suggest otherwise.

Tiger444
July 30, 2010, 12:52 PM
Honestly I just don't know why people care about this so much..who cares that Hussain says that Tamim is better then Pakistan's batting lineup..fact is we got flat out murdered against their batting lineup in the Asia Cup..doesn't that come to mind? I mean I know he's talking about their test batting but lets not get 2 excited..remember that they beat Australia not 2 long ago? When could we ever brag about that? Their batting might not have been good that game but they did do their job in winning the game..again its better 2 keep quiet then just celebrate at what Hussain said..

ahnaf
July 30, 2010, 12:54 PM
I also heard that someone's grandma can better than someone from BD... go figure.

you should be banned...

MohammedC
July 30, 2010, 12:56 PM
onner ghaa dekhe amra edaning onek happy hoye jai..:sick:

Exactly Murad.

magic boy
July 30, 2010, 01:21 PM
Salman Butthttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object3/99/121/q21891187609_6747.jpg
Batting and fielding averages
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 29 54 0 1761 122 32.61 3738 47.11 3 10 257 1 12 0
Tamim Iqbalhttp://www.cricinfo.com/inline/content/image/457455.html?alt=1
Batting and fielding averages
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 19 36 0 1445 151 40.13 2352 61.43 4 8 200 10 8 0

Shoaib Malikhttp://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-sf2p/hs273.snc3/23301_116032808411640_4100_q.jpg
Batting and fielding averages
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 30 50 6 1553 148* 35.29 3511 44.23 2 8 201 13 16 0

its really true. just have a look on the number of six scored by Salman Butt in Test..lol...reality bites...

MohammedC
July 30, 2010, 01:27 PM
Is Nasser going to get Tamim in to his one only county team Essex.

Come on County team from Div 1 sign him. (Divison 2, dont bother)

Neel Here
July 30, 2010, 01:28 PM
it's true but it's not enough. we should celebrate only when nasser says the same about the whole BD team, not just one player.

Beamer
July 30, 2010, 01:52 PM
it's true but it's not enough. we should celebrate only when nasser says the same about the whole BD team, not just one player.

I don't think anyone is celebrating. It is true what Naseer says. In this current Pak line-up, Tamim individually is better than anyone from there. It's no different than Hadlee being better than any Aussie bowler in that time span even though Aussies were beating the Kiwis with regularity. Or, Flower being the best wkt-batsman at that time though Zim hardly won any tests. Contextually, Nasser is right and I agree.

ialbd
July 30, 2010, 01:53 PM
it's true but it's not enough. we should celebrate only when nasser says the same about the whole BD team, not just one player.

exactly... this isnt enough. Atleast we have to wait till the day someone says Tamim is better than the whole Indian or Australian batting line up.....

Pakistani batsman are a very low benchmark now.... ;)

dolcevita
July 30, 2010, 01:54 PM
Yes Tamim is better than any pakistani batsmen but we Bd fan should realises that all our bowlers are village cricketer when we compare them with Mohammed Aamer., Asif...
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Beamer
July 30, 2010, 01:55 PM
Yes Tamim is better than any pakistani batsmen but we Bd fan should realises that all our bowlers are village cricketer when we compare them with Mohammed Aamer., Asif...

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Without a question.

revolver
July 30, 2010, 02:04 PM
tamim vs raina that should be the competetion
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MatinSux
July 30, 2010, 02:20 PM
Umar Akmal is on par with Tamim Iqbal, but Tamim is slightly better. Nothing to celebrate here Pakistan still miles ahead of Bangladesh...at least on one-to-one competition.

MatinSux
July 30, 2010, 02:23 PM
Nadim Hollander sathe here tomar abar new thread khulte ektu lojja laga uchit.









lol..jk.

Tiger444
July 30, 2010, 03:18 PM
tamim vs raina that should be the competetion
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umm tamim is an opener and raina is a middle order batsman..sorry but can't really compare them..

dolcevita
July 30, 2010, 03:29 PM
umm tamim is an opener and raina is a middle order batsman..sorry but can't really compare them..

Both are really exciting prospect with a lot of talent , but Raina is lucky to bat alongside Tendulkar , Sehwag, Dravid , Ghambir , VVS ...so he can learn a lot from them
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revolver
July 30, 2010, 03:46 PM
umm tamim is an opener and raina is a middle order batsman..sorry but can't really compare them..

true :)...yhh you got me there lool....
tamim vs warner that should be good lool

simon
July 30, 2010, 04:02 PM
c'mon guys,some of u r being too modest or critical.
no1 is celebrating or showing "gorbe buk bhore gelo" sentiment.
It's a complement,it's hilarious & more importantly it's true what Naseer said.:)
So we r just enjoying,that's all,no need to bring other comparaison,chill guys.

Tiger444
July 30, 2010, 04:07 PM
Both are really exciting prospect with a lot of talent , but Raina is lucky to bat alongside Tendulkar , Sehwag, Dravid , Ghambir , VVS ...so he can learn a lot from them
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I admit I was a doubter of Raina but seeing his century has convinced me that he's a good batsman..ya the young Indian batsmen can learn a lot from these players and get confidence to be better..thats the difference between us and India..for Tamim he doesn't have other older players for guidance so its harder for him in that way..

Tiger444
July 30, 2010, 04:13 PM
true :)...yhh you got me there lool....
tamim vs warner that should be good lool

lol not trying 2 pick on u bro but Warner is only a regular for T20s while Tamim has been a regular for all 3 formats..T20s Warner is a better player though..Warner is a really raw player though..he's barely played any FC cricket so he still has a long way 2 go but I see him being a future star for Australia..

bujhee kom
July 30, 2010, 04:16 PM
I have to say this I agree with Murad bhai and we should never do that. This was a just a comment, a momentary expression of frustrations, that's all, Nasir Hossain was very angry at the Pakistani batting. I know, we all know what Tamim Iqbal is, what he is capable of, where his limit is, we also know what the Bangladesh team is all about as well and of course how the current Pakistani batting line-up is and it's performance. We don't need to get hyped up with this comments as we all should know, truthfully we are not even at a close comparable level with Pakistan, bowling, batting anything. I think we as world cricket fan, we should always look at Pakistan and remember it as a cricketing nation/culture/society/aura who produced great legendery athletes/cricketers like Imarn Khan, Zaheer Abbas, Abdul Qadir, Wasim Akram, Mustaq Ahmed, Javed Miandad and who is going through a very bad dip right now as that whole country's social and everyday day to day real life itself is very shaken. These people are going through a serious bad time. We should always be honest to ourselves when it comes to guage and asses our own ability through performance and hard work, not when someone else is down. So what, what Nasir Hossain said. Pakistan is still a damn good team in front of Tamim Iqbal and our Bangladesh. We show respect to really earn respect.

Neel Here
July 30, 2010, 04:35 PM
I admit I was a doubter of Raina but seeing his century has convinced me that he's a good batsman..ya the young Indian batsmen can learn a lot from these players and get confidence to be better..thats the difference between us and India..for Tamim he doesn't have other older players for guidance so its harder for him in that way..

I'm not that sure of raina, he needs to perform on seaming tracks before I pass judgement on him.

Tiger-ess
July 30, 2010, 04:37 PM
I have to say this I agree with Murad bhai and we should never do that. This was a just a comment, a momentary expression of frustrations, that's all, Nasir Hossain was very angry at the Pakistani batting. I know, we all know what Tamim Iqbal is, what he is capable of, where his limit is, we also know what the Bangladesh team is all about as well and of course how the current Pakistani batting line-up is and it's performance. We don't need to get hyped up with this comments as we all should know, truthfully we are not even at a close comparable level with Pakistan, bowling, batting anything. I think we as world cricket fan, we should always look at Pakistan and remember it as a cricketing nation/culture/society/aura who produced great legendery athletes/cricketers like Imarn Khan, Zaheer Abbas, Abdul Qadir, Wasim Akram, Mustaq Ahmed, Javed Miandad and who is going through a very bad dip right now as that whole country's social and everyday day to day real life itself is very shaken. These people are going through a serious bad time. We should always be honest to ourselves when it comes to guage and asses our own ability through performance and hard work, not when someone else is down. So what, what Nasir Hossain said. Pakistan is still a damn good team in front of Tamim Iqbal and our Bangladesh. We show respect to really earn respect.

:up::up::up:
BK bhai I want to :big_hug: you right now!

yes Tamim Iqbal is better than most of their BATSMAN at the moment, but we shouldn't be making ourselves feel good through poking fun at the pakistan team.

Neel Here
July 30, 2010, 04:44 PM
truthfully we are not even at a close comparable level with Pakistan, bowling, batting anything.
bah ! ki je bolen.

I think we as world cricket fan, we should always look at Pakistan and remember it as a cricketing nation/culture/society/aura who produced great legendery athletes/cricketers like Imarn Khan, Zaheer Abbas, Abdul Qadir, Wasim Akram, Mustaq Ahmed, Javed Miandad and who is going through a very bad dip right now as that whole country's social and everyday day to day real life itself is very shaken. kobe ghee khaisi sei ghran akhono shukle cholbe dada ? what pakistan had is not in question, point what they have right now.

the problems as a country does not come into this discussion, same can be said about zimbabwe, they have had far worse conditions. let's not forget sri lanka, they had a 30 year old civil war in the country, through that they won a world cup, a champions trophy, many asia cups and god knows how many other tournaments. at the time of 2007 WC final they had a raging battle going on with the LTTE attacking even air force bases.
frankly, these type of issues have no place in the cricket section.

alibangali
July 30, 2010, 04:55 PM
Even we sucked big time in swinging overcast conditions including Tamim, most of the runs we scored during the test matches in england was in sunny weather good for batting. Tamim has a long way to and i hope he gets an oppurtunity to play in either english or australian domestic competitions.

Dilscoop
July 30, 2010, 05:05 PM
If we are satisfied with this kinds of things, our cricket will never improve.

Tamim > Pak batsmen > Other Bangla batsmen < Pak seamers > Bangla bowlers = Pakistan is still wayyy better team then Bangladesh. They almost won the test series vs Aus.

Ireland/Netherlands ke harate na parle eshob fao jinish niye lafalafi kore labh nai. Being better than Pakistani batsmen isn't really much of an achievement. Even Kervezee is better than them.

Anyways, merged -mod.misc.

The only lvl headed post in this thread.

Dilscoop
July 30, 2010, 05:08 PM
tamim vs raina that should be the competetion
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Test openers with 4 100s in 19 test vs a Test debutant, who scored a 100, in flat track vs 2XI sri lankan attack. Yes, real good competition

Baundule
July 30, 2010, 05:27 PM
The comment is more of an insult to the Paki team than a praise to Tamim Iqbal.

When comparison is made, usually it is a matter of happiness to become better than someone GOOD, being better than someone BAD or being less WORSE has nothing to be proud of.

Tiger-ess
July 30, 2010, 05:35 PM
I think Nasser Hussain has a soft spot for bangladesh in general and Tamim in particular, you can sense it in his commentary for BD matches. Which is ironinc considering he's name was floating around when BCB were apponting head coach back in 2007.

BTW did anyone here Geoff Boycott's commentary today, oh boy we thought he was bad against us but you should've heard the way he was bashing the pak team.He was calling them 'clowns' and stuff like that, I swear im not making this up!! And ofcourse he bought back the classic "my nan could've...." line.

Dilscoop
July 30, 2010, 06:07 PM
The comment is more of an insult to the Paki team than a praise to Tamim Iqbal.

When comparison is made, usually it is a matter of happiness to become better than someone GOOD, being better than someone BAD or being less WORSE has nothing to be proud of.

This post is the 2nd good post, after AsifMan's post.

simon
July 30, 2010, 06:36 PM
what's wrong with BC fans now a days?Can't take anything positively or what?:-I
Chance pailei lecture,analysis shuru kore dey.:mad:
are bhai,don't u guys feel good that a BD player is being well recognized internationally.
Nasser trying to prove that BD has a world class Test batsman but Pak don't,it's a shame for Pak but a compliment for us that we managed to produce world class batsmen.
No need to dig further,as simple as that.

Naimul_Hd
July 30, 2010, 07:03 PM
i always knew, Nassir is in love with Tamim's batting ! :D

simon
July 30, 2010, 08:00 PM
i always knew, Nassir is in love with Tamim's batting ! :D

hehehe!
For some reason I think except Botham every English commis including some journalists love TI's batting.:-D

cricket_king
July 30, 2010, 08:29 PM
Well duh. State the obvious.

But it really doesn't divert from the fact that as a team, we suck. And without Tamim, we might as well not turn up to play.

FagunerAgun
July 30, 2010, 08:46 PM
This is a too emotional comment.
This comment may be a spoiler for Tamim but definitely a wake up call for Pakistan. Only the future can tell us how good he has done for us.

Dhruvo
July 30, 2010, 09:22 PM
He just insulted us.

beshideshi
July 30, 2010, 09:24 PM
Ireland/Netherlands ke harate na parle eshob fao jinish niye lafalafi kore labh nai. Being better than Pakistani batsmen isn't really much of an achievement. Even Kervezee is better than them.


This is not to claim that Ned/Ire are better or blah blah blah, I am just asking if you were given 2 options, which one would you take?
1. A win against England but 2 losses against associates
2. No wins against England and winning all the assc. games?

Dhruvo
July 30, 2010, 09:27 PM
This is not to claim that Ned/Ire are better or blah blah blah, I am just asking if you were given 2 options, which one would you take?
1. A win against England but 2 losses against associates
2. No wins against England and winning all the assc. games?
Option 2, because a win against england might just be a fluke if you get destroyed by them in the next game and lose 2 matches against associates.

deshprem
July 30, 2010, 10:47 PM
lol think ppl just gota chill a bit. just let people enjoy it for wateva they make it out to be. of cousre we all know bd team is long behind pakistans successes. ..but dosnt hurt to crak a smile at the comment. enjoy it. dnt havto be such a scrooge.

Zeeshan
July 30, 2010, 11:06 PM
Nadim Hollander sathe here tomar abar new thread khulte ektu lojja laga uchit.
....
lol..jk.

lmao @ thinking somehow "pride" is associated with opening threads. smh. only in our country....only in our country.

One World
July 30, 2010, 11:18 PM
So you think you can dance? When we will have Inzamamul not Ashraful then we can think of comparison. No disrespect to Tamim but that was really a double-handed slap to both BCB and PCB.

Imteaz
July 31, 2010, 01:23 AM
COOL!!!!!!


Thanks Mr. Naser Husaain. Thanks Nadim for Sharing. :)

dolcevita
July 31, 2010, 02:42 AM
Even a blind men know Tamim is better than Paki batsmen ( at least this calendar year ) : he is this year test top scorer , only Virander Sehvag has better average and srike rate than Tamim this year
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shakibrulz
July 31, 2010, 03:04 AM
ireland and netherlands wouldnt last against us in a 4/5 day game unless the pitch had crazy seam and swing, in which chase they could keep it close. but if shahadat has one of his lords days, or shafi plays to his potential, thats enough pace firepower for an associate.

i don't think our ODI inadequacies should be mis-projected onto our test performance when recent scorecards suggest otherwise.

Well said! :bravo:

bangla-red
July 31, 2010, 03:29 AM
He has more centuries (I think) and a higher average than the Pakistani batsmen.

lamisa
July 31, 2010, 04:16 AM
Umar Akmal is on par with Tamim Iqbal, but Tamim is slightly better. Nothing to celebrate here Pakistan still miles ahead of Bangladesh...at least on one-to-one competition.

yes,definitely umar akmal has been a great find for pakistan but once younis khan and md yusuf is back in the pakistan XI,pakistan will surely see some great days!

btw,it was nice to see some positve remarks about tamim in pakpassion:)

revolver
July 31, 2010, 04:52 AM
Test openers with 4 100s in 19 test vs a Test debutant, who scored a 100, in flat track vs 2XI sri lankan attack. Yes, real good competition

i know its amazing innit :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:

al-Sagar
July 31, 2010, 05:07 AM
but .....

PAK team still better than BD team ....

its the team that plays cricket.

anyway i think the most happy man hearing this news is siddons. this gives his personal achievement theory some backbone

BANFAN
July 31, 2010, 05:26 AM
I admit I was a doubter of Raina but seeing his century has convinced me that he's a good batsman..ya the young Indian batsmen can learn a lot from these players and get confidence to be better..thats the difference between us and India..for Tamim he doesn't have other older players for guidance so its harder for him in that way..

The other difference is:

They are # 01 Test Team and we are # 09 out of total 09 teams. ;)

BANFAN
July 31, 2010, 05:44 AM
but .....

PAK team still better than BD team ....

its the team that plays cricket.

anyway i think the most happy man hearing this news is siddons. this gives his personal achievement theory some backbone

Shujog paile e Siddons ke lift dite hoy aar ki. Even for the batsman least interfered by him. ;)

dark mage
July 31, 2010, 06:45 AM
I dont quite see why we should be so happy with what Nasser Hussain said. That's because this pakistan batting line-up is indeed weak but there's no need for us to feel good about another's misfortune, because I still remember how this same Pakistan Batting line-up hammered our bowlers to all corners of the park in Asia Cup.

Also, I still am not completely sold on Tamim, as I have yet to see how he does over the next 2-years or so before passing proper verdict because I also remember how good Sharier Nafees was when he started and now look where he is. And I will only be happy the day when Nasser Hussain praise our whole batting line-up and not just Tamim and the day when we stop losing to Ireland and Netherlands

And the english commies are all big fans of Tamim anyways, as I have heard them praise him countless times over the summer, and they praised Junaid too. Its true that our current TEST batting line-up and the current PAK batting line-up without Yousuf and Yunus is better than theirs in TESTS, however comparisons with this current PAK batting line-up is a really low bench-mark and nothing to be happy about

Peace
July 31, 2010, 07:14 AM
Definitely, Nasser Hussain has a soft spot for Bangladesh cricket, not only for Tamim but also for the whole team in general.

I remember Nass’s comment about BD team- how good, gentle and friendly our boys are (or something similar along the line), during the recent match against England.

Nass’s comments reflect the mutual respects, also shown by Tamim. I remember Tamim was highly praising his learnings from English players and conditions, and how proud he was to have his name in the honours list of Lord’s.

Overall, setting aside the scale of importance of such comment, I thought it is good and positive setup for BD cricket. Sooner or later, we will see Tamim playing county cricket.

simon
July 31, 2010, 07:24 AM
lol think ppl just gota chill a bit. just let people enjoy it for wateva they make it out to be. of cousre we all know bd team is long behind pakistans successes. ..but dosnt hurt to crak a smile at the comment. enjoy it. dnt havto be such a scrooge.

well said,that's what I've been trying to say.:)

I dont quite see why we should be so happy with what Nasser Hussain said. That's because this pakistan batting line-up is indeed weak but there's no need for us to feel good about another's misfortune, because I still remember how this same Pakistan Batting line-up hammered our boelers to all corners of the park in Asia Cup.

Also, I still am not completely sold on Tamim, as I have yet to see how he does over the next 2-years or so before passing proper verdict because I also remember how good Sharier Nafees was when he started and now look where he is. And I will only be happy the day when Nasser Hussain praise our whole batting line-up and not just Tamim and the day when we stop losing to Ireland and Netherlands

And the english commies are all big fans of Tamim anyways, as I have heard them praise him countless times over the summer, and they praised Junaid too. Its true that our current batting line-up and the current PAK batting line-up without Yousuf and Yunus is better, however comparisons with this current PAK batting line-up is a really low bench-mark and nothing to be happy about

c'mon,why bring in Asia cup memories,this isn't the ODI batting ,Nasser was comparing the Test batting of Pak .

And difference betWeen Tamim & SN is that we saw Tamim improving his game in ODis then in Tests he had a good start but he also looked not so good after his debut vs NZ.
But then he improved his Test batting & now he does better in Tests than ODis.
I think SN on the other hand looked very good from the beginning but couldn't continue.
To me a good player is some1 who makes mistakes at the beginning and later on with time & hard work improves his game not some1 who has a brilliant start (like Ash for exmple) but then fades away!

Kabir
July 31, 2010, 07:29 AM
Just a mere comment, doesn't mean anything. I'm less worried about individual performances. I want team performance.

shakibrulz
July 31, 2010, 08:50 AM
yes,definitely umar akmal has been a great find for pakistan but once younis khan and md yusuf is back in the pakistan XI,pakistan will surely see some great days!

btw,it was nice to see some positve remarks about tamim in pakpassion:)

LOL, I can't believe that you guys are rating Umar 'slogger' Akmal so highly. The only thing he has is a decent eye coordination, and his get heavily exposed in test matches in england, australia etc. Tamim goes for the shot, but he's more of the Sehwag mould, he plays elegant drives with perfection. I can't remember a single drive by overrated Akmal.

He's a very good prospect in ODIs and T20s specially, but when it comes to the real deal (test matches), it's all about technique and temperament. Tamim easily outscores him in that department.

shakibrulz
July 31, 2010, 08:57 AM
Test openers with 4 100s in 19 test vs a Test debutant, who scored a 100, in flat track vs 2XI sri lankan attack. Yes, real good competition

LOL, cut the guy some slack DS, I agree with you, but he came under pressure where the top order were tumbling and played a fine innings on debut. I agree, the conditions were batsmen friendly, still he played a fine innings to say the least.

The real test will be when he plays in SA, England and Aus.

Tiger444
July 31, 2010, 09:09 AM
LOL, I can't believe that you guys are rating Umar 'slogger' Akmal so highly. The only thing he has is a decent eye coordination, and his get heavily exposed in test matches in england, australia etc. Tamim goes for the shot, but he's more of the Sehwag mould, he plays elegant drives with perfection. I can't remember a single drive by overrated Akmal.

He's a very good prospect in ODIs and T20s specially, but when it comes to the real deal (test matches), it's all about technique and temperament. Tamim easily outscores him in that department.

Your being way 2 harsh on Umar..the guy is a very good looking player and comparing him with Tamim is not a good comparison because Tamims an opener and Umar is a middle order batsman so they come in with different situations..and heavily exposed to Australia? I thought he played very well against Australia in their home.. he had 1 50+ score and then 2 49s which is really good for a kid that was 19 years old at that time..I agree he has faded away a little but didn't Shakib do horribly in the last test series against England? So calling him a slogger is harsh..I doubt a 'slogger' could actually score a lot of runs in tough conditions in Australia..

shakibrulz
July 31, 2010, 09:48 AM
Your being way 2 harsh on Umar..the guy is a very good looking player and comparing him with Tamim is not a good comparison because Tamims an opener and Umar is a middle order batsman so they come in with different situations..and heavily exposed to Australia? I thought he played very well against Australia in their home.. he had 1 50+ score and then 2 49s which is really good for a kid that was 19 years old at that time..I agree he has faded away a little but didn't Shakib do horribly in the last test series against England? So calling him a slogger is harsh..I doubt a 'slogger' could actually score a lot of runs in tough conditions in Australia..
Middle order or Top order, does that make a goddamn difference to their playing style and technique?

Dude, I know what I'm saying about, and yeah he might have scored runs, but I'm talking about his technique here, the way he did it.
Today Umar gul top scored 60+* for Pakistan (which was fine effort nevertheless :D) But that doesn't mean he's a class player or something.

It doesn't matter how the runs come in ODIs and T20s, but it does in test matches. You can just watch how the guy played against Aussies when he needed to settle in and then play the strokes. Scoring runs doesn't mean that he's not a slogger, does it? One maiden over and he's a walking wicket - that speaks a lot about his temperament.

Don't judge players by stats alone, I'm an avid cricket fan, and I know what I'm talking about ;) And I'm not saying he's a bad player, but comparing him with Tamim in tests is a crime. As I said, he's a good ODI and T20 prospect, but not so in tests, unless he shows a mammoth improvement in his strokeplay and temperament.

revolver
July 31, 2010, 10:30 AM
This post is the 2nd good post, after AsifMan's post.

wow you can judge post now..
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Tiger444
July 31, 2010, 11:06 AM
Middle order or Top order, does that make a goddamn difference to their playing style and technique?

Dude, I know what I'm saying about, and yeah he might have scored runs, but I'm talking about his technique here, the way he did it.
Today Umar gul top scored 60+* for Pakistan (which was fine effort nevertheless :D) But that doesn't mean he's a class player or something.

It doesn't matter how the runs come in ODIs and T20s, but it does in test matches. You can just watch how the guy played against Aussies when he needed to settle in and then play the strokes. Scoring runs doesn't mean that he's not a slogger, does it? One maiden over and he's a walking wicket - that speaks a lot about his temperament.

Don't judge players by stats alone, I'm an avid cricket fan, and I know what I'm talking about ;) And I'm not saying he's a bad player, but comparing him with Tamim in tests is a crime. As I said, he's a good ODI and T20 prospect, but not so in tests, unless he shows a mammoth improvement in his strokeplay and temperament.

Dude who cares about technique? Does Tamim and Shakib score in the most orthodox ways? Hell no..they don't have great technique but are still world class players..it doesn't matter in the way you score..runs are runs..and scoring a century and 4 half centuries in 8 innings shows he's a good player so far..and comparing him to Tamim, Tamim has played 19 tests while Umar has played only 8 tests..I dont know why people constantly compare these 2..Tamim has been playing international cricket for a while now while Umar has just played for a year..and Tamim has already proved himself well now..Umar is not a world class player yet so I just don't know why there is so much comparison..

aniksh1
July 31, 2010, 11:34 AM
Well at least Pak is going to take 20 English wickets now....

we failed to do that....

Dilscoop
July 31, 2010, 11:55 AM
wow you can judge post now..
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Neel Here
July 31, 2010, 12:03 PM
wow you can judge post now..
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Nadim
July 31, 2010, 12:14 PM
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shakibrulz
July 31, 2010, 12:17 PM
Dude who cares about technique? Does Tamim and Shakib score in the most orthodox ways? Hell no..they don't have great technique but are still world class players..it doesn't matter in the way you score..runs are runs..and scoring a century and 4 half centuries in 8 innings shows he's a good player so far..and comparing him to Tamim, Tamim has played 19 tests while Umar has played only 8 tests..I dont know why people constantly compare these 2..Tamim has been playing international cricket for a while now while Umar has just played for a year..and Tamim has already proved himself well now..Umar is not a world class player yet so I just don't know why there is so much comparison..

Tamim's technique is poor? You gotta watch some drives by Tamim, the balance, the weight transfer, the placement, etc. or I was watching some other Batsman?

Shakib is not unorthodox either, but his temperament is not good, and that translates into his inconsistency in batting. He's not a world class batsman, he's a world class bowler & all rounder. He has potential to be one, though.

Dude, it's not his averages, WHY DONT YOU UNDERSTAND.. Afridi is still a slogger if he scores a 100 or a 200.. That doesn't make him a class player. Umar will become a world class player when he realizes test cricket is not tontee-tontee, and play accordingly. The guy doesn't even have a decent looking offside drive under it's belt.

Now about how they play doesn't matter theory - If you have a slightest idea what test cricket is about, you should'nt and wouldn't have said that.. Test cricket is about class.. A quickfire 40 can be good in ODIs but NOT IN TEST CRICKET.. You gotta show great deal of temperament.. That's why it's called TEST CRICKET.. got it?

And atleast for cricket fanatics like me elegant stroke play is a treat to watch rather than pure slogging ala gilli danda.

Zobair
July 31, 2010, 12:55 PM
First, commentators are prone to making dramatic statements such as this. Its part of the entertainment.

Second, arguably on current form Tamim is better than the Pakistani batsmen on show in this current test match.

Third, arguably on current form the whole Pakistani team (including the bowlers) appears to be better with the bat than our Ashraful.

revolver
July 31, 2010, 01:06 PM
Yo'Momma jokes allowed in BC? B/c I'd like to use em...

i really want to use it myself
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magic boy
July 31, 2010, 01:19 PM
Yo'Momma jokes allowed in BC? B/c I'd like to use em...

stay miles away from those for the betterment of you and the environment of BC! :p (personal suggestion)

al Furqaan
July 31, 2010, 01:37 PM
First, commentators are prone to making dramatic statements such as this. Its part of the entertainment.

Second, arguably on current form Tamim is better than the Pakistani batsmen on show in this current test match.

Third, arguably on current form the whole Pakistani team (including the bowlers) appears to be better with the bat than our Ashraful.

jahirul is better than all the pakistan bats as shown by this test.

_Rafi_
July 31, 2010, 02:39 PM
Btw how do you guys rate M Aamer as a batsman? I think he is one of the better batting prospect for Pakistan:-)

auntu
July 31, 2010, 02:49 PM
Nice :D

Love_Mash
July 31, 2010, 03:12 PM
I loved Nasser Hussain's comment!! But let's not get carried away here and make too much out of it.

We definitely don't want to become like the constant-attention-seeking sports enthusiasts in India. Watching India play against any team and listening to the self-congratulatory commentary by the Indian commentators ad nauseam is totally revolting. It's totally acceptable for commentators to have biased opinions favoring their native countries but what Arun Lal, and Gavakar, and Ravi Shastri spews out day in and day out is nothing short of mindless worshiping of Indian cricket and their players.

India has been one of the greatest cricket playing nations in the entire world for a very long time. There isn't anything left for them to achieve. We (Bangladesh) would consider ourselves fortunate if we can elevate our game to achieve 1/10th of India's level. Yet the need for most Indians to constantly seek approval of the world and their continual efforts to put their players and their nation up on a pedestal speaks of a deep-seated inferiority complex they can hardly overcome. Instead of accepting their place in time and history and reveling in their accomplishments Indian fans and commentators alike are always trying to establish the superiority of their athletes over other athletes, especially the ones from the sub-continent. This soul-baring and almost pathological need for constant ego gratification became pathetically apparent a few days ago when Tony Greg called Muttiah Muralitharan's taking of 800 test wicket as a joyous event for the cricket playing world and Arun Lal quickly quipped "not from the Indian vantage Point." It's almost as if the Indians suffer from a collective mental block that prevents them from giving credits where it is due, especially to someone from the sub-continent.

I'm not an India-basher. I love Indian cricket and make a point of watching their every single game. And I would be guilty of self-deception if I don't admit that I often feel envious of their superb skills. But I would find it disappointing if my own countrymen follow the Indian foot-steps and cultivate a hero-worshiping culture that celebrates ONLY our own accomplishments and at the same time openly expresses sheer joy at the misfortunes of others, especially others from the same sub-continent.

Nasser Hussain is an English cricketer of Pakistani descent. It's not difficult to imagine why he is the least of the English commentators who often times appear very hard at the failures of the Pakistani and even the Bangladeshi team. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if he sincerely wishes Pakistan to get their edge back and becomes competitive in International cricket again. And it wouldn't shock me a bit if Nasser Hossain feels a little disappointed at the sorry state of Pakistani cricket and the sorry state of Pakistan as a country in general. The fact that the entire Pakistani team crumbled and failed to stand up to the English challenge whereas Bangladesh, specifically Tamim, defiantly stood up to the very same English bowlers and fought valiantly to produce several prolific innings just a few weeks ago adds more salt to the wound and allows the context for such comparisons.

Nasser Hussain's comment about Tamim being better than the whole Pakistani team was probably an expression of his sheer disgust at how the Pakistani team is capitulating to the English attack as opposed to a testament of the true caliber of the Bangladeshi team. I have no doubt that Pakistan can handsomely defeat Bangladesh more than 90% of the time at any place and any venue with their current group of ragtag, young, and inexperienced cricketers. Our over-reliance on sub-par spin bowlers (except Shakib) and toothless fast bowling provides a feast for good batsmen from any cricket playing nation including Ireland and the Netherlands. Tamim is great and all but he also occasionally falters with mindless stroke plays that shows the long road to maturity ahead of him. And Bangladesh as a team is still miles away from playing quality cricket and posing a constant threat to the elite teams of the world.

It feels good to hear the name of one of our own from one of the most successful English cricket captains of all time. It clearly shows that we are improving and leaving our marks and giving other countries reasons to not take us lightly and not label us constantly as minnows. But it would be a mistake to interpret his comments literally and take comfort believing that our days under the sun has finally arrived. To be fair, it definitely gives us reasons to feel encouraged and the motivations to double our efforts. But it shouldn't provide us any reason to laugh or wallow in the misery of the Pakistani team and act complacent in light of the progress we have made so far.

Peace to my fellow cricket lovers.

shakibrulz
July 31, 2010, 03:17 PM
jahirul is better than all the pakistan bats as shown by this test.

Zahurul showed great temperament while batting with Siddique, but he couldn't just get past the jinxed 40's :(

_Rafi_
July 31, 2010, 03:22 PM
@ love_mash Vai, I didnt read your full post but found a mistake of fact on your post while scrolling down. You are wrong about Nasser Hossain's descendent place i think. He is an Indian descendant.

simon
July 31, 2010, 03:44 PM
look how inexperienced Jahurul was,still he played so positively & looked solid,determined but the Pak batsmen were defensive,confused & lost.

Love_Mash
July 31, 2010, 03:53 PM
Thanks for the correction Mr. Rafi. You are totally correct. The full details of Nasser Hussain's biography can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasser_Hussain

However, I still believe that Nasser Hussain's comment was not derogatory and he was not reveling at the current poor form of the Pakistani team. Rather, I believe, it's the recent memory of Tamim's superb performance against the English attack and his sheer disgust at the chronic under-performance of the Pakistani team that prompted him to make that comment.

Neel Here
July 31, 2010, 05:52 PM
nasser 'putin' hussain is of mixed English-Indian ethnicity.

love mash, you claim not to be an India basher but there is not a shred of objectivity in your India bashing. you seem to have formed your opinion from reading ICF but there's a world of Indian supporters out there who enthusiastically invite Sanath Jayasuria to inaugurate a Durga Puja right after Sri Lanka knocked India out of the world cup in the very city. show me another country where foreign cricketers are popular enough to be hired as brand ambassadors like Brett Lee was.
arun lal may be a pathetic commentator but it is your lack of english comprehension that made you misunderstand his comments. in the context of the match Murali could get 800 wickets only by bowling India out and inflicting a loss. why would India want that ?
if sachin was on 99* in his last match with 49 centuries and India needed 2 runs to win 2011 semi-final against BD would you want sachin to get 50 centuries ?

your post is nothing but mindless India bashing and rendered an epic fail by your claim that he did it only because he was pakistani.

Dilscoop
July 31, 2010, 06:13 PM
Who the heck is Nasser Khan?

Now we are talking about his background and probo-purush. Don't you think you guys are reading little too much into his comments

MatinSux
July 31, 2010, 07:28 PM
yes,definitely umar akmal has been a great find for pakistan but once younis khan and md yusuf is back in the pakistan XI,pakistan will surely see some great days!

btw,it was nice to see some positve remarks about tamim in pakpassion:)
Oh I dont visit those sites that often as I am tired of seeing some Bengali fan making a dumb comment. BTW is that you and Shahadat in your avatar?

MatinSux
July 31, 2010, 07:31 PM
"you can judge post now"
:floor:
I dont get it?
Who the heck is Nasser Khan?

Now we are talking about his background and probo-purush. Don't you think you guys are reading little too much into his comments
Banglider aar kaaj ki? Always wanting to know what Indians and Pakistanis are upto lol.

Love_Mash
July 31, 2010, 07:45 PM
My mistake!! Thanks for noticing the error.

Murad
July 31, 2010, 08:40 PM
Why some people comparing Tamim with Umar Akmal. Damns some of the members in this forum are really something.

Umar Akmal is thousands time better than any middle order player we have. That guy failing in this tour but look at his stats from previous series/tours.

Tamim failed to score against the associates. What do you say about that?

simon
July 31, 2010, 08:50 PM
I think the moderaters need to take a step against OFF TOPIC discussions.:mad:
it's annoying.

shakibrulz
July 31, 2010, 10:08 PM
nasser 'putin' hussain is of mixed English-Indian ethnicity.

love mash, you claim not to be an India basher but there is not a shred of objectivity in your India bashing. you seem to have formed your opinion from reading ICF but there's a world of Indian supporters out there who enthusiastically invite Sanath Jayasuria to inaugurate a Durga Puja right after Sri Lanka knocked India out of the world cup in the very city. show me another country where foreign cricketers are popular enough to be hired as brand ambassadors like Brett Lee was.
arun lal may be a pathetic commentator but it is your lack of english comprehension that made you misunderstand his comments. in the context of the match Murali could get 800 wickets only by bowling India out and inflicting a loss. why would India want that ?
if sachin was on 99* in his last match with 49 centuries and India needed 2 runs to win 2011 semi-final against BD would you want sachin to get 50 centuries ?

your post is nothing but mindless India bashing and rendered an epic fail by your claim that he did it only because he was pakistani.

:bravo: .. :smug:

czone
July 31, 2010, 11:29 PM
Ireland/Netherlands ke harate na parle eshob fao jinish niye lafalafi kore labh nai. Being better than Pakistani batsmen isn't really much of an achievement. Even Kervezee is better than them.

Anyways, merged -mod.misc.
Exactly!

iDumb
August 1, 2010, 12:19 AM
Btw how do you guys rate M Aamer as a batsman? I think he is one of the better batting prospect for Pakistan:-)

I will trade Tamim for their Aamer. I think Pakistan need a tamim and we need an Aaamer. Then we are both happy.

I think chances of winning matches are much higher with a good bolwer than a good batsman. point in case - recent win against Aus.

Aamer's bowling is mesmerizing. I wish we can find somebody like that in BD.

On a second thought - naaa!! just kidnap aamer and give them ashraful lol - he speaks urdu doesn't he?

iDumb
August 1, 2010, 12:27 AM
Pakistan should hire Siddons as their batting coach...there are plenty of batting talent even in the current pool.

_Rafi_
August 1, 2010, 12:33 AM
I will trade Tamim for their Aamer. I think Pakistan need a tamim and we need an Aaamer. Then we are both happy.
I think chances of winning matches are much higher with a good bolwer than a good batsman. point in case - recent win against Aus.
Aamer's bowling is mesmerizing. I wish we can find somebody like that in BD.
On a second thought - naaa!! just kidnap aamer and give them ashraful lol - he speaks urdu doesn't he?
will you be the agent for the negotiation!? Here is some more offer if they want to give Aamer to BD-
1) Tamim
2) Ashraful
3) Rajjak
4) Jahurul(good keeper)
5) 50 million taka!
6)Honorary citizenship for Izaz Butt( that will work i think)

One World
August 1, 2010, 01:42 AM
show me another country where foreign cricketers are popular enough to be hired as brand ambassadors like Brett Lee was.


Market economy bro, biggest cricket market, money talks. Do you think IPL could be this lucrative to players if they were paid club level amount. Why our players eager to look for a break in the county?

Neel Here
August 1, 2010, 03:10 AM
I'm not talking of why players want to play but why they get a chance. it's because they are popular. 'market economy' hires foreign cricketers precisely because they are popular in India. which if we believe lovemash, is not possible since 'Indian fans dislike foreign cricketers'. ;)

zainab
August 1, 2010, 05:59 AM
@ love_mash Vai, I didnt read your full post but found a mistake of fact on your post while scrolling down. You are wrong about Nasser Hossain's descendent place i think. He is an Indian descendant.

I agree, his father is from an Indian province in SE India, cant remember the name.

Equinox
August 1, 2010, 06:24 AM
I agree, his father is from an Indian province in SE India, cant remember the name.
Raza Jawad "Joe" Hussain is from Madras in India. A former cricketer and a highly respected coach. He has coached the likes of Ravi Bopara, James Foster and yours truly at the nets of his infamous Ilford Cricket School. May he rest in peace.

lamisa
August 1, 2010, 06:39 AM
Oh I dont visit those sites that often as I am tired of seeing some Bengali fan making a dumb comment. BTW is that you and Shahadat in your avatar?

yes!:smug:

Rifat
August 1, 2010, 07:22 AM
Ireland/Netherlands ke harate na parle eshob fao jinish niye lafalafi kore labh nai. Being better than Pakistani batsmen isn't really much of an achievement. Even Kervezee is better than them.

Anyways, merged -mod.misc.

I like this comment. I like this comment a lot. why?

because the truth is:

"only losers take pride in comparing self-success at the expense of the failures of others"

why should pakistan batting/any other country for that matter should be the standard to be judged upon to celebrate our own "success"?

failures of others does not necessarily define success! for example:
a Calculus Exam: (same exam material, same subject, same professor but two different sections):

it is similar to taking pride in getting the highest mark in the class, which happens to be a 61 but the whole class failed!(section A)

section B: the lowest mark was a 62 and the highest mark was a 98 for the same subject matter. and this guy who got a 62 is getting shunned for his low grade while in section A people are celebrating a 61!

my wording, grammer, sentence structure was very poor but i hope i made my point clear :-|

hmmm
August 1, 2010, 07:24 AM
I like this comment. I like this comment a lot. why?

because the truth is:

"only losers take pride in comparing self-success at the expense of the failures of others"

why should pakistan batting/any other country for that matter should be the standard to be judged upon to celebrate our own "success"?

failures of others does not necessarily define success! for example:
a Calculus Exam: (same exam material, same subject, same professor but two different sections):

it is similar to taking pride in getting the highest mark in the class, which happens to be a 61 but the whole class failed!(section A)

section B: the lowest mark was a 62 and the highest mark was a 98 for the same subject matter. and this guy who got a 62 is getting shunned for his low grade while in section A people are celebrating a 61!

my wording, grammer, sentence structure was very poor but i hope i made my point clear :-|

grammar

FagunerAgun
August 1, 2010, 08:16 AM
grammar
:100: but that's okay, English is our second/third language.

Roni_uk
August 1, 2010, 08:24 AM
Pak 80/all out. WoW. We might lose against Holland in ODI but sure a lot better in Test than Pak. Why does BCB organises some Test matches for us against the Pak.

firstlane
August 1, 2010, 08:40 AM
Pak 80/all out. WoW. We might lose against Holland in ODI but sure a lot better in Test than Pak. Why does BCB organises some Test matches for us against the Pak.

Pakis will still beat us comprehensively. I donno why the hell we cant do well against a team like this. We did lot better against England than what they did.

hmmm
August 1, 2010, 08:53 AM
maybe england didnt bowl well or they didnt take bangladesh seriously

shakibrulz
August 1, 2010, 08:59 AM
Pakis will still beat us comprehensively. I donno why the hell we cant do well against a team like this. We did lot better against England than what they did.
That's because on flat roads with rookie BD pace attack, you can't really expect a contest there.

Just play them in conditions like this, I bet BD will still fare better against Pak.

Or else play them in tracks with good turn. Shakib will bundle them off.

maybe england didnt bowl well or they didnt take bangladesh seriously

LOL, great theory, but had they underestimated BD, they wouldn't have played a full strength side.

hmmm
August 1, 2010, 09:00 AM
That's because on flat roads with rookie BD pace attack, you can't really expect a contest there.

Just play them in conditions like this, I bet BD will still fare better against Pak.

Or else play them in tracks with good turn. Shakib will bundle them off.



LOL, great theory, but if they underestimated BD, they wouldn't have played a full strength side.

bowling practice :P

Kabir
August 1, 2010, 09:04 AM
ICF but there's a world of Indian supporters out there who enthusiastically invite Sanath Jayasuria to inaugurate a Durga Puja right after Sri Lanka knocked India out of the world cup in the very city. show me another country where foreign cricketers are popular enough to be hired as brand ambassadors like Brett Lee was.


I read and agreed with the most part of your post. But the Brett Lee part I can't comprehend. What are you trying to say? That Eendians are so great that they welcome foreign cricketers as brand ambassadors? Or do you mean that Eendians have understood the law of the game and invited the person as brand ambassador which will generate the biggest amount of exposure and profit? You're trying to prove Eendia's greatness with this logic? Awesome :applause:

shakibrulz
August 1, 2010, 09:09 AM
I like this comment. I like this comment a lot. why?

because the truth is:

"only losers take pride in comparing self-success at the expense of the failures of others"

why should pakistan batting/any other country for that matter should be the standard to be judged upon to celebrate our own "success"?

failures of others does not necessarily define success! for example:
a Calculus Exam: (same exam material, same subject, same professor but two different sections):

it is similar to taking pride in getting the highest mark in the class, which happens to be a 61 but the whole class failed!(section A)

section B: the lowest mark was a 62 and the highest mark was a 98 for the same subject matter. and this guy who got a 62 is getting shunned for his low grade while in section A people are celebrating a 61!

my wording, grammer, sentence structure was very poor but i hope i made my point clear :-|

How about everyone whining about the student scored better mark is crap, should be kicked out of the class and are spoiling the entire class, completely ignoring the ones who are worse than them? :-p

shakibrulz
August 1, 2010, 09:12 AM
i read and agreed with the most part of your post. But the brett lee part i can't comprehend. What are you trying to say? That eendians are so great that they welcome foreign cricketers as brand ambassadors? Or do you mean that eendians have understood the law of the game and invited the person as brand ambassador which will generate the biggest amount of exposure and profit? You're trying to prove eendia's greatness with this logic? Awesome :applause:

... :-|

shakibrulz
August 1, 2010, 09:14 AM
bowling practice :P

Bowling practise = Bowling better right? Or does it mean they'll bowl worse? :D

How about home advantage? :waiting:

dolcevita
August 1, 2010, 09:39 AM
maybe england didnt bowl well or they didnt take bangladesh seriously

Anderson , swann broad finn and bresnann get trashed by Tamim any other batsmen in the world has smashed Swann as Tamim did...
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hmmm
August 1, 2010, 09:58 AM
Anderson , swann broad finn and bresnann get trashed by Tamim any other batsmen in the world has smashed Swann as Tamim did...
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lolz no doubt he is talented

Neel Here
August 1, 2010, 10:21 AM
kabir bhai, there are many things you can't comprehend that most people can. it's not exactly my problem. :)

Ajfar
August 1, 2010, 12:42 PM
This is no way a compliment for Tamim nor is it an insult to the Pakistan Team. IMO Naseer said this because of how frustrated he was after seeing the way pak batsman's batted. He probably expected a much better show from them. The reason he used Tamim names probably because of how much they have talked about him in the recent weeks. We shouldn't be happy because he said this, because it shows how desperate we are to even get a glimpse of attention.

Love_Mash
August 1, 2010, 02:33 PM
I agree with you 100%.

Nasser Hussain did sound a lot less harsh and was willing to give complements where they were due. Most of the English commentators (well...Mike Atherton and Tony Grieg are quite the exceptions) have a habit of consistently putting down sub-continent cricket. Maybe, some of the old timers still can't get over the fact that they made us their BEE-AA-CH when they colonized us and ruled us as our masters and forced us to act less than their equal. Maybe, the mere sight of us DARKIES competing as their equals brings back the memories of their 190 years of iron-fisted domination over us and triggers their instinctive response to put us down.

The very essence of what we are is determined to a large degree by our cultural heritage. Education and cultural sensitivity training might help somewhat to smooth out the jagged edges in our personalities but we can hide behind the cloak or facade for only so long. It's only a matter of time before our true self jumps out and reveals the beast in us that carries the baggages of our ancestors. This is specially true in sports since the fierce competition in the fields is nothing other than a metaphor for battles we used to wage against each other to establish our dominance.

I would be the first to admit that our own Atahar Ali Khan often appears partisan and is mostly pre-occupied with embellishing the skills and the successes of our own athletes. But, at least, he is not in the business of hurling insults and making derogatory comments about the opposing players.

So, listening to Nasser Hussain is really quite a breath of fresh air since it doesn't require me to frequently lick my wounds from the barrage of insults that the rest of the English commentators are so comfortable dishing out.

Kabir
August 1, 2010, 03:07 PM
kabir bhai, there are many things you can't comprehend that most people can. it's not exactly my problem. :)

1. Such as?

2. Make it idiot-proof.

Peace
August 1, 2010, 03:12 PM
kabir bhai, there are many things you can't comprehend that most people can. it's not exactly my problem. :)

1. Such as?


Unda argument.:floor:

_Rafi_
August 1, 2010, 03:26 PM
Nasser Hussain is currently the best commentator followed by Holding imo. All current subcontinental commies are crap including R. Shashtri, R. Raja and R. Aronld, Shiva'krisna, A.Lal are epic fail. And amongst them Harsha Bhogle and Shamim miah are the most idiotic.
We need someone like A Kumble, Ganguli, Imran Khan in commentary box soon.

Tiger-ess
August 1, 2010, 05:30 PM
Nasser Hussain is currently the best commentator followed by Holding imo. All current subcontinental commies are crap including R. Shashtri, R. Raja and R. Aronld, Shiva'krisna, A.Lal are epic fail. And amongst them Harsha Bhogle and Shamim miah are the most idiotic.
We need someone like A Kumble, Ganguli, Imran Khan in commentary box soon.

Kumble? really? It didnt exactly whet my appetite last time I heard him../:)

But I agree with names you've mentioned above, they are crap!! I cant help but wonder tho are we merely hating on them because we are Bangladeshi supporters? Coz I'll be the first to admit in my opinion the Indian lot are a bunch of biased b****** and that is why I do not like them!! Rumiz is just a wierdo, and the lankan's lack proper commentary skills big time (In my opinion), But if these lot were to be judged by neutral commentary pundits on a specific spectrum on actual commentary skills, how would they be ranked?

I tell you who is RUBBISH....Shane Warne!!! I swear that guy has taken commentary to whole another level, he's just so dramatic about everything its really annoying "Oh that has to be the best batting I've ever seen...", "That is the best ball bowled on a...pitch.." I swear Im not even making these up, that is how he commentates!!

simon
August 1, 2010, 05:57 PM
Nasser Hussain is currently the best commentator followed by Holding imo. All current subcontinental commies are crap including R. Shashtri, R. Raja and R. Aronld, Shiva'krisna, A.Lal are epic fail. And amongst them Harsha Bhogle and Shamim miah are the most idiotic.
We need someone like A Kumble, Ganguli, Imran Khan in commentary box soon.

Ya,Nasser is ok but Holding has the tendancy to criticize every1.:-P
I think Nasser,Atherton & Bishop r the best.
Ramiz & Shamim Ch are always keen to use their grammar,vocabulary etc.:-P

lamisa
August 2, 2010, 04:29 AM
bowling practice :P

shut up :P

lamisa
August 2, 2010, 04:36 AM
Nasser Hussain is currently the best commentator followed by Holding imo. All current subcontinental commies are crap including R. Shashtri, R. Raja and R. Aronld, Shiva'krisna, A.Lal are epic fail. And amongst them Harsha Bhogle and Shamim miah are the most idiotic.
We need someone like A Kumble, Ganguli, Imran Khan in commentary box soon.

i think sanjay manjrekar is a good commentator

zainab
August 2, 2010, 06:00 AM
David Lloyd is one of my favourites. He is witty. I simply cannot stand the Aussie commentators, they criticize the worst. The Bangladeshi commies are bad too, they tend to criticize their own all the time. Sanjay Manjrekar and Ian Bishop are also very good.

bujhee kom
August 2, 2010, 06:01 AM
Khoda Baksh Mridha was my favourite!

zainab
August 2, 2010, 06:04 AM
Nasir Hussein was angry and frustrated that the pakistani batsmen fell like a pack of cards, no fight in them, allowed the English bowlers to intimidate and bullied them, whereas the BD batsmen put up a decent fight, he was happy that England won, but it was a one sided affair, even David Lloyd mentioned that pakistan is a much better team than what he was witnessing, but the pitch helped the English seamers.

Kabir
August 3, 2010, 11:07 AM
Unda argument.:floor:

:floor:

If that's the "Others" that Neel was associating himself with...then I'm glad that I don't understand his and the Others' arguments :floor:

Rifat
August 3, 2010, 11:21 AM
This is no way a compliment for Tamim nor is it an insult to the Pakistan Team. IMO Naseer said this because of how frustrated he was after seeing the way pak batsman's batted. He probably expected a much better show from them. The reason he used Tamim names probably because of how much they have talked about him in the recent weeks. We shouldn't be happy because he said this, because it shows how desperate we are to even get a glimpse of attention.

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Peace
August 3, 2010, 11:22 AM
:floor:
If that's the "Others" that Neel was associating himself with...then I'm glad that I don't understand his and the Others' arguments :floor:

My Unda argument that you ruminate day and night:

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=29253

_Rafi_
August 3, 2010, 12:05 PM
POTT(post of the thread)
but how its not compliment for Tamim?
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Ajfar
August 3, 2010, 12:32 PM
but how its not compliment for Tamim?
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Because why should someone else's weakness be a compliment for Tamim. Naseer said Tamim is better than them BECAUSE of how horrible they looked out there. I would like to think Tamim is good batsman in general because he works hard and is determined to succeed. Tamim's success shouldn't depend on how good the Pak top order did. It depends on himself only. Tamim got plenty of compliments this England tour. I'm sure he'll live without this one.

bujhee kom
August 3, 2010, 12:37 PM
Bhais, shotti bolte ki....apnara amake simply hashaalen!
Hashalen bhais and paus, hashalen amake!

_Rafi_
August 3, 2010, 12:58 PM
Because why should someone else's weakness be a compliment for Tamim. Naseer said Tamim is better than them BECAUSE of how horrible they looked out there. I would like to think Tamim is good batsman in general because he works hard and is determined to succeed. Tamim's success shouldn't depend on how good the Pak top order did. It depends on himself only. Tamim got plenty of compliments this England tour. I'm sure he'll live without this one.
I understand. But why NaserH used Tamim's name? Its because he is so much impressed with Tamim that he couldn't help him out not to mention him. It is first time I heard someone mentioning a BD batsman above all batsmen of a G8 team.
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simon
August 3, 2010, 01:23 PM
or may be Nasser wanted to say that the whole Pak batting line up is not=Tamim alone.

Ajfar
August 3, 2010, 02:49 PM
I understand. But why NaserH used Tamim's name? Its because he is so much impressed with Tamim that he couldn't help him out not to mention him. It is first time I heard someone mentioning a BD batsman above all batsmen of a G8 team.
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Yes it is the first time. Well there could have a several reason why Tamim's name was mentioned. But whatever the reason it may be we shouldn't make too much of a big deal out of it. As I said it shows we desperate we are to get even a glimpse of attention. My comment was not directed at anyone in particular, I was just saying in general. We shouldn't let comments like this get to our head too quickly, this is how we pump up our stars and then we end up losing them.

BANFAN
August 4, 2010, 12:58 AM
I understand. But why NaserH used Tamim's name? Its because he is so much impressed with Tamim that he couldn't help him out not to mention him. It is first time I heard someone mentioning a BD batsman above all batsmen of a G8 team.
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If he would compare with Ponting/SRT alone, that would have been a complement, while he wanted to brand Pak as the worst batting side, he had to chose a player from the worst side. And that's how tamim comes up.

If I have to describe the worst Soap in market, I would tell "These soaps are worst than Pocha Ball Shaban" That does not make Pocha the best soap. Just minimum acceptable.

Accordingly this comparison doesnt make TI the best batsman, but yes just an acceptable batsman by world standards. Please don't get so hyped (Pulokito) by just hearing our names from the mouth of a western/white guy, try to understand the context in which it is used. And we didn't need a certificate from Naser hussain to understand that at the moment, TI is our best batsman. That's why he picked TI

_Rafi_
August 4, 2010, 01:47 AM
Banfan vai, I am not trying to overhype Tamim. I am trying to say its a compliment for Tamim though it may not be a big compliment. You cant be the best from the worst overnight. You need to be good, then better and then the best. Before we had no mentionable player to match with other team irrespective of how bad they are. Now Tamim came up and mentioned by Naser which is the result of his better show in last year. Shoib Malik, Kamran Akmal, S Butt also not the worst players of the world.

simon
August 4, 2010, 06:28 AM
are bhais ,shob kichu gaye makhle hobey?
Actually,comparaison btwn Tamim & Pak batting is logical .
Before playing Test with PAk ,ENg played a Test series vs BD in Eng,so logically there will be a comparaison between Pak & BD,and as far as batting is concerned they will pick Tamim as he was the top scorer.I was even predicting them mentioning Tamim's name during this series.;)
Also note that the English bowling vs PAk was also compared with the Aussie bowling vs Pak.

bujhee kom
August 4, 2010, 06:39 AM
Arrey bhais and apus, apnara amake just kadalen...simply kadalen bhais! Apnader hoi matha kharab or maybe pet kharap!

nahaz
August 4, 2010, 07:09 AM
In my opinion:

1. Pakistani batting lineup currently is very inexperienced without Afridi, Yousuf, Younis as well as Inzi form the past. All their batsmen are hopeless. So big deal Tamim's better than any of them INDIVIDUALLY

2. Salman Butt's probably saved and helped Pakistan win numerous times. Even tho he's still unreliable. Truth remains, Tamim still has a long way to go to mix with even a Haddin or a Gambhir..He was consistent for six months. Gambhir has been consistent for 2-3 years.

Tamim should try to keep being more and more consistent. He should not worry about what others in the team are doing, but he should really learn to adapt. Playing defensive for 10-15 overs for the sake of the team should not be a pain. If he can't do it, he's still way off the "Great" category.

He should also let go of his attitude outside the field. Aggression on the field is admirable. Outside, you should be normal, like say McGrath. Otherwise you're just another idiot like Sehwag or Watson.

dolcevita
August 4, 2010, 08:27 AM
Yes it is the first time. Well there could have a several reason why Tamim's name was mentioned. But whatever the reason it may be we shouldn't make too much of a big deal out of it. As I said it shows we desperate we are to get even a glimpse of attention. My comment was not directed at anyone in particular, I was just saying in general. We shouldn't let comments like this get to our head too quickly, this is how we pump up our stars and then we end up losing them.

The only reason he mention Tamim is that England 4 previous test was against BD and he has witness the back to back hundred
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magic boy
August 4, 2010, 10:05 AM
bhais, shotti bolte ki....apnara amake simply hashaalen!
Hashalen bhais and paus, hashalen amake!

arrey bhais and apus, apnara amake just kadalen...simply kadalen bhais! Apnader hoi matha kharab or maybe pet kharap!

[বাংলা]আমিও এই খবর এতদিন ধরে আলোচিত হতে দেখে হাসবো নাকি কাঁদবো, বুঝবার পারতাছিনা! !![/বাংলা]:-B

:p

meazz1
August 4, 2010, 04:39 PM
David Lloyd is one of my favourites. He is witty. I simply cannot stand the Aussie commentators, they criticize the worst. The Bangladeshi commies are bad too, they tend to criticize their own all the time. Sanjay Manjrekar and Ian Bishop are also very good.

David Lloyd and Tony Cozier are my all time favorite.

Purbasha T
August 4, 2010, 04:52 PM
Thread closed.

- As mod (fake one, obviously; what did you think dohhh?? :-B)

dolcevita
August 4, 2010, 05:20 PM
You should go to bbc webside and listen what geoff Beocot said about Pakistani player...I seriously think this guy is still living in 19th century
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zman
August 6, 2010, 09:46 AM
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magic boy
August 6, 2010, 09:54 AM
too bad we almost never get to play a test series against a G8 when they’re in serious disarray and struggling immensely

agree but then again there is not point in fighting with the wounded/weak opponent.we won test series against West Indies B team but dint get improved.

zman
August 6, 2010, 01:24 PM
agree but then again there is not point in fighting with the wounded/weak opponent.we won test series against West Indies B team but dint get improved.
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dolcevita
August 6, 2010, 01:27 PM
Indeed its not fair to compare current year test top scorer ( Tamim Iqbal ) with this terrible batting line up
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zman
August 6, 2010, 01:39 PM
The ease with which English bowlers keep bowling out the whole Paki team, and the alarming rate at which the whole Paki team keeps collapsing for 70/80 runs, Nasser’s comments may end up being vindicated in it’s literal sense, i.e, the whole Paki team combined isn’t as good as Tamim alone, or Tamim alone gives English bowlers more trouble than the whole Paki team does :P

RazabQ
August 6, 2010, 03:27 PM
Well, frankly I don't care what Nasser Hussain said or not, but they are now being compared quite unfavorably to Bangladesh in Andrew Miller's latest piece:

Five Tests have been completed in England this summer - and only one of them has so far been taken to five days. Incredibly, given that teams with the reputation of Australia and Pakistan have been in town, it is the ever-lampooned Bangladeshis who have put up the fiercest fight, with Tamim Iqbal's outrageously gung-ho century at Lord's provoking his team-mates into the sort of resistance that this series is now crying out for. ... the (Pakistan) team simply lacked the class to translate their resistance into progress.

....for the good of Test cricket, and even for England's own long-term benefit, a bit more resistance from Pakistan would not go amiss. While stalemates of the SSC variety are the greatest menace to the game, a fundamental lack of competitivity runs a close second. Bangladesh have been accused of cheapening Test cricket for years, but at least in the last few seasons they have learned the necessary application to take a game the full distance. Pakistan on the other hand, like West Indies, seem worryingly intent on unlearning those same disciplines, and given the mighty heritage of that pair in particular, it is a distinctly unnerving development.


More: http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/current/story/471336.html

Never thought I'd see yet another article from an Englishman about "devaluing Test cricket" where Bangladesh was held up as the POSITIVE argument! :)

dolcevita
August 6, 2010, 03:41 PM
Well, frankly I don't care what Nasser Hussain said or not, but they are now being compared quite unfavorably to Bangladesh in Andrew Miller's latest piece:



More: http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/current/story/471336.html

Never thought I'd see yet another article from an Englishman about "devaluing Test cricket" where Bangladesh was held up as the POSITIVE argument! :)

Andrew Miller is a pro BD cricket pundit
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Bond
August 6, 2010, 03:54 PM
Pakistan is playing test cricket after a long time, they'll manage to win atleast one match. They have better bowlers but their fielders and batsmen are letting them down. Pakistan lacks quality batsmen, with the return of Yousuf Pakistan will be a better team and thus more competitive.

simon
August 6, 2010, 04:27 PM
Andrew Miller is a pro BD cricket pundit
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i think so too.

Rabz
August 6, 2010, 04:40 PM
Andrew Miller is a pro BD cricket pundit
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How about some plain honest analysis??

Andrew Miller has been indeed a great supporter of Bangladesh cricket, but he isn''t an anti-pakistani pundit.

We are just turning out to be the better side toured England over this summer, and that might serve a reminder note to the decision of the English not planning to host us for the next 10 years.

Pakistan never seize to amuse me though.

dolcevita
August 6, 2010, 04:45 PM
How about some plain honest analysis??

Andrew Miller has been indeed a great supporter of Bangladesh cricket, but he isn''t an anti-pakistani pundit.

We are just turning out to be the better side toured England over this summer, and that might serve a reminder note to the decision of the English not planning to host us for the next 10 years.

Pakistan never seize to amuse me though.

you are all right ,we bats really well but our bowling sucks .
When I said A Miller is a pro BD pundit it doesn't means He is biased
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beshideshi
August 6, 2010, 05:06 PM
A very interesting article on CI was published today, interesting bits are



Five Tests have been completed in England this summer - and only one of them has so far been taken to five days. Incredibly, given that teams with the reputation of Australia and Pakistan have been in town, it is the ever-lampooned Bangladeshis who have put up the fiercest fight, with Tamim Iqbal's outrageously gung-ho century at Lord's provoking his team-mates into the sort of resistance that this series is now crying out for. Ironically, Pakistan set their stalls for survival in this contest with Azhar Ali and Imran Farhat recording two of the slowest ducks of all time, but the team simply lacked the class to translate their resistance into progress.

Mohammad Yousuf may yet be the man to inject Pakistan with some much-needed knowhow - his career average against England is 70, just two runs shy of his team-mates' grand total in this first innings. But as Tamim went on to demonstrate in a one-man show in Bangladesh's second Test at Old Trafford, a personal tour de force is irrelevant if your colleagues don't have the technique or temperament to survive.
.............................

But for the good of Test cricket, and even for England's own long-term benefit, a bit more resistance from Pakistan would not go amiss. While stalemates of the SSC variety are the greatest menace to the game, a fundamental lack of competitivity runs a close second. Bangladesh have been accused of cheapening Test cricket for years, but at least in the last few seasons they have learned the necessary application to take a game the full distance. Pakistan on the other hand, like West Indies, seem worryingly intent on unlearning those same disciplines, and given the mighty heritage of that pair in particular, it is a distinctly unnerving development.


http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/story/471336.html?CMP=chrome

here's the link to the full story.

Tintin
August 6, 2010, 09:16 PM
TI scored 268 runs in two Tests in England in June. Pakistan reached that total - ie, you add up the scores of all innings - today in their third innings.

TI scored scored 268 in his four innings. If you exclude extras, the Pakistan batsmen reached 268 after losing 24 wickets (when they were 30/4 today)

TI scored two 100s and a 50. After 33 attempts, Pak batsmen have one fifty.

TI faced 278 balls, averaged 67, hit 34x4, 1x6. Pakistan top seven in 21 innings made 169 in 491 balls at an average of 8.04 and between them hit 23 fours and a six

bujhee kom
August 6, 2010, 09:49 PM
TI scored 268 runs in two Tests in England in June. Pakistan reached that total - ie, you add up the scores of all innings - today in their third innings.

TI scored scored 268 in his four innings. If you exclude extras, the Pakistan batsmen reached 268 after losing 24 wickets (when they were 30/4 today)

TI scored two 100s and a 50. After 33 attempts, Pak batsmen have one fifty.

TI faced 278 balls, averaged 67, hit 34x4, 1x6. Pakistan top seven in 21 innings made 169 in 491 balls at an average of 8.04 and between them hit 23 fours and a six

Salaam dada, Tintin dada, great numbers!! These numbers are awesome! Thank you bhaiu!

Bond
August 7, 2010, 09:30 AM
TI scored 268 runs in two Tests in England in June. Pakistan reached that total - ie, you add up the scores of all innings - today in their third innings.

TI scored scored 268 in his four innings. If you exclude extras, the Pakistan batsmen reached 268 after losing 24 wickets (when they were 30/4 today)

TI scored two 100s and a 50. After 33 attempts, Pak batsmen have one fifty.

TI faced 278 balls, averaged 67, hit 34x4, 1x6. Pakistan top seven in 21 innings made 169 in 491 balls at an average of 8.04 and between them hit 23 fours and a six

Clearly Tamim is the second best player Bangladesh has ever produced yes after Mohammed Ashraful that is.

zman
August 7, 2010, 09:35 AM
:floor: I gotta give it to you...intentional or unintentional your Ash jokes are in a league of their own

Beamer
August 7, 2010, 09:40 AM
Hopefully all these accolades won't get into his head! Nice compliments for Tamim from Nasser, reinforced by Andrew today, and I just hope he stays on even kill. I wish he didn't know English. He is reading all this...

Neel Here
August 7, 2010, 09:42 AM
TI scored 268 runs in two Tests in England in June. Pakistan reached that total - ie, you add up the scores of all innings - today in their third innings.

TI scored scored 268 in his four innings. If you exclude extras, the Pakistan batsmen reached 268 after losing 24 wickets (when they were 30/4 today)

TI scored two 100s and a 50. After 33 attempts, Pak batsmen have one fifty.

TI faced 278 balls, averaged 67, hit 34x4, 1x6. Pakistan top seven in 21 innings made 169 in 491 balls at an average of 8.04 and between them hit 23 fours and a six

pwnage.

zman
August 8, 2010, 11:27 AM
wow...Pakistan just broke the dreaded 200 run barrier in the second innings...pretty impressive...signs of improvement maybe?

dolcevita
August 8, 2010, 05:34 PM
wow...Pakistan just broke the dreaded 200 run barrier in the second innings...pretty impressive...signs of improvement maybe?

Paki tailender are much better than their top order : in 4 innings so far one tailander was the top scorer
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BANFAN
August 9, 2010, 06:19 AM
Paki tailender are much better than their top order : in 4 innings so far one tailander was the top scorer
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Use of the word is restricted in BC... people get banned for similar words. But off course depends on use. it was innocent i guess ;)

lamisa
August 9, 2010, 09:36 AM
^^^i don't get why that word is assumed to be so offensive?it's just a short form of their country's name!

Kabir
August 9, 2010, 10:59 AM
It's like BD when they crossed the 200 mark with the 8th wicket partnership.

We're really $hit. At least they've got some stats to prove something...but we got nothing other than Tamim. He's like a one man show for us.

Bancan
August 9, 2010, 11:04 AM
^^^i don't get why that word is assumed to be so offensive?it's just a short form of their country's name!

You dont get to decide what is offensive to whom. If people from Pakistan find this offensive, we shouldnt use it. And most of my pakistani friends do find it offensive.

bujhee kom
August 9, 2010, 12:11 PM
Paki tailender are much better than their top order : in 4 innings so far one tailander was the top scorer
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Use of the word is restricted in BC... people get banned for similar words. But off course depends on use. it was innocent i guess ;)

^^^i don't get why that word is assumed to be so offensive?it's just a short form of their country's name!

You dont get to decide what is offensive to whom. If people from Pakistan find this offensive, we shouldnt use it. And most of my pakistani friends do find it offensive.

Thank you all Dolcevita bhai, Kabir bhai, Lamisa apu, Bancan bhai, for discusing this issue.

I don't think Dolcevita bhai really mean anything bad by calling team Pakistan the pakis. As Kabir bhai said, it was an innocent call, we see everyone doing it all around us, in many many forums, websites etc. Even we see people of Pakistani origin a lot of times referring themselves as Pakis.

But do listen to what Kabir bhai and Bancan bhai said guys, and take it in. Bancan bhai said, "You dont get to decide what is offensive to whom. If people from Pakistan find this offensive, we shouldnt use it." and take this to heart guys, that is the most important reason. If anything, any word , any abbreviation or even slightly deformed version of a nation's or ethnic gorup's name is used, that is considered rude, insulting and wrong, it shows that by deforming their proper name I am simply not respecting them enough with proper human dignity.

Also importantly it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to write or spell Pakistani instead of just Paki. Yes, a lot of times people call us Bangla fans in other websites/forums(i.e. other Pakistani forums, Indian forums etc.). Does that bother me? Personally NO! BUT, if I WERE an Indian or a Pakistani or anything other than a Bangladeshi, would I call a Bangladeshi fan or the team Bangladesh just Bangla? NO, I wouldn't, again for the same above reasons I mentioned earlier, why would I not call someone Bangladeshi instead of just Bangla? It takes a lot of effort and time to write those few extra letters? That is not a legitimate excuse. But yes, one can get into an argument what the word "Paki" or the word "Bangla" mean. the word Paki is a deformed short version that we people made it as we learned it from our surrounding and then we convinced ourselves that it is okay to say it. When the word "Bangla" is a proper word which means the language and a culture of a region. SO one can argue that just calling someone Bangla is not all that bad (but that will be a different set of conversation)

Now there are times when some of us questioned and argued if we can call Indians as "Hindi"...some people said calling an Indian as "Hindi" is not same as calling or addressing a nation by a religion's name, "Hindu"/Hinduism" in this case, is not the same. But we still established that it is indeed wrong and inappropriate. Because the word hindi eventually derived from the word Hindu/hinduism, so by calling an Indian person just simply "Hindi", we are choosing to generalize and approach a nation/group of people by a language name which sounds very similer to their major religion's name. Whenever we do that, we send a massage that we are isolating a group simply by their religious identity that is different than mine. And that is a very risky and unhealthy practice and thought process to begin with in today's time, in the 21st century, and IF I claim to show respect all nations, people or human being for whatever their background is.

I can't control people's voice, mouth or their keyboard in any other forums, webs when they call me Bangla, or address a fellow Bangladeshi as Bangla or team Bangladesh as simply the "Banglas". And I would not even bother, because i don't visit those site or even pay attention to. BUT here, in BC, or in my country, or in my family, in my house, or among all my dearest brothers and sisters in BC, I can and and will project the right massage for the sake of humanity and for the sake of NOT CAUSING UNNECCESSARRY PAIN TO A HUMAN SOUL, because you do what is right in your house first, among your family first.

So if the other does it to us, they can and let them do it, but that doesn't mean we should do it as well. We here, show the highest standard of respect to all human beings, all living beings, that is our place, our country and alwyas should be our sacred most mantra!

And to wrap it up, calling people or addressing a nation as PAIKKA or INDEEAN are the worst of all, vivid signs of a human soul's deep hateful darkness, simply!

dolcevita
August 9, 2010, 12:36 PM
Use of the word is restricted in BC... people get banned for similar words. But off course depends on use. it was innocent i guess ;)

Sorry mate : i thought "paki" is the abbreviation on "pakistani" that why I use this word
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I will not use it more in future , It was just lazy from me

Purbasha T
August 9, 2010, 07:26 PM
Ban-Ind-Pak-SL

Simple :)

shakibrulz
August 9, 2010, 10:35 PM
You dont get to decide what is offensive to whom. If people from Pakistan find this offensive, we shouldnt use it. And most of my pakistani friends do find it offensive.
Actually the word is stereotyped to hell because racists in Britain/US etc. use it as a racial slur on us south asians. We need not be harsh on users coz they just used the term Paki. For me it's just like Aussie, Saffer, Kiwis, etc. I don't see much wrong in it.

Anyways yeah, I agree that no more usage of the word if they find it offensive. :outbad:

22Yards
August 9, 2010, 10:42 PM
Paki tailender are much better than their top order : in 4 innings so far one tailander was the top scorer
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Reminds me pretty much of Bangladesh when mashrafe/rafique used to score the highest for us with some late cameo innings... I solemnly hope those days are over.

Naimul_Hd
August 10, 2010, 02:52 AM
Use of the word is restricted in BC... people get banned for similar words.

really ?? I didnt knw that "Paki" word is prohibited in BC ! I myself used it so many times in BC ! :timeout:

^^^i don't get why that word is assumed to be so offensive?it's just a short form of their country's name!

exactly ! :shh:

You dont get to decide what is offensive to whom. If people from Pakistan find this offensive, we shouldnt use it. And most of my pakistani friends do find it offensive.

Here, my Pakistani friends proudly call themselves as "Paki Pride" but your friends find it offensive ! strange ! No wonder why there are so many domestic violence in Pakistan.


I can't control people's voice, mouth or their keyboard in any other forums, webs when they call me Bangla, or address a fellow Bangladeshi as Bangla or team Bangladesh as simply the "Banglas". And I would not even bother, because i don't visit those site or even pay attention to.

Aussies/NZ call us "Bangers" in their forums ! Can u believe it ? i mean, how does this word exactly direct Bangladeshis ?? either you call us, Bengali, Banglas, Bangals or Bangladeshis !! why "Bangers" ???? :confused:

And to wrap it up, calling people or addressing a nation as PAIKKA or INDEEAN are the worst of all, vivid signs of a human soul's deep hateful darkness, simply!

:-D

Rabz
August 10, 2010, 05:42 AM
O amar poran paki..... ami dakitasi tumi gumaiso naki......
khub shundor ekta gun.
shuinen shobai.

_Rafi_
August 10, 2010, 08:02 AM
O amar poran paki..... ami dakitasi tumi gumaiso naki......
khub shundor ekta gun.
shuinen shobai.

ha ha ha...Paki word is not banned!

Kabir
August 10, 2010, 09:17 AM
Thank you all Dolcevita bhai, Kabir bhai, Lamisa apu, Bancan bhai, for discusing this issue.

I don't think Dolcevita bhai really mean anything bad by calling team Pakistan the pakis. As Kabir bhai said, it was an innocent call, we see everyone doing it all around us, in many many forums, websites etc. Even we see people of Pakistani origin a lot of times referring themselves as Pakis.

But do listen to what Kabir bhai and Bancan bhai said guys, and take it in. Bancan bhai said, "You dont get to decide what is offensive to whom. If people from Pakistan find this offensive, we shouldnt use it." and take this to heart guys, that is the most important reason. If anything, any word , any abbreviation or even slightly deformed version of a nation's or ethnic gorup's name is used, that is considered rude, insulting and wrong, it shows that by deforming their proper name I am simply not respecting them enough with proper human dignity.

.........
And to wrap it up, calling people or addressing a nation as PAIKKA or INDEEAN are the worst of all, vivid signs of a human soul's deep hateful darkness, simply!

King bhai, ami ei bepar e ki bollam? lol :)

Anyway, amar naam jehetu neyai hoise, taile ektu to bolai uchit. Basically, the word paki "IS" derogatory. It's similar to the n word, but much less derogatory I would say. In NY and other US cities, paki is used to refer to south asians. The word itself means 'slave'. In reality, anything that anyone uses to refer to you...and it's not what those people want you to use...that's derogatory. It's the same as the n word.

Personally I feel extremely offended if someone calls me Bangla, or our people the Banglas. But yeah, I don't say anything about it...because perhaps the other groups don't mean any offense. I also feel offended when my wife calls me a 'bangali' with a certain emphasis on B. But she doesn't mean any offense either.

As a race, we're extremely defensive. That's probably the problem with us.

And oh well...look who's talking. I'm known for using the term eendian for the indian team...

Naimul_Hd
August 10, 2010, 09:29 AM
Personally I feel extremely offended if someone calls me Bangla, or our people the Banglas. But yeah, I don't say anything about it...because perhaps the other groups don't mean any offense. I also feel offended when my wife calls me a 'bangali' with a certain emphasis on B. But she doesn't mean any offense either.
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on the contrary, i would feel proud being called as "Bangla" ! most of the people, in abroad, classify us (Bangladeshi) as "INDIAN" !! :mad::mad: God knows how many times i said that "Bangladesh" is a different country than "India" !! and being a Bangladeshi, when people call me "Indian" thats when i get offended !!

PoorFan
August 10, 2010, 09:51 AM
I wonder how long this thread will go on?!

Beamer
August 10, 2010, 10:18 AM
Doesn't the term Paki means Pure ( English )or Pobitro ( Bangla )?

Habib
August 10, 2010, 11:17 AM
Doesn't the term Paki means Pure ( English )or Pobitro ( Bangla )?

I think Pak means pure. Pak-e-stan. So what does 'e' mean? Of?

lamisa
August 10, 2010, 11:23 AM
on the contrary, i would feel proud being called as "Bangla" ! most of the people, in abroad, classify us (Bangladeshi) as "INDIAN" !! :mad::mad: God knows how many times i said that "Bangladesh" is a different country than "India" !! and being a Bangladeshi, when people call me "Indian" thats when i get offended !!

yes,in countries where cricket is not popular,they usually go like "is bangladesh in india?" after i answer to anyone that i am bangladeshi and in a country where cricket is popular,they go like "isn't that the country who keeps losing all the time?" ::hairpull::

Beamer
August 10, 2010, 11:30 AM
I think Pak means pure. Pak-e-stan. So what does 'e' mean? Of?

Its rather 'i' than 'e'..

hmmm
August 10, 2010, 12:30 PM
pakistan means the land of pure P=punjab A=Afghania(Khyber pakhtunkhwa) K=Kashmir S=Sindh TAN=Baluchistan

Rabz
August 10, 2010, 01:19 PM
^^ হা আছছা !!

Habib
August 10, 2010, 01:21 PM
Well so the conclusion is Pak- ranna kora
Pakistan- ranna ghor?

hmmm
August 10, 2010, 03:20 PM
^^ হা আছছা !!

what???

hmmm
August 10, 2010, 03:21 PM
Well so the conclusion is Pak- ranna kora
Pakistan- ranna ghor?

what is ranna ghor? lol

godzilla
August 10, 2010, 03:35 PM
you have to admit that Pak's batting was horrible. Worst then any innings BD played this year. And yes Tamim Iqbal is the man :)

hmmm
August 10, 2010, 03:48 PM
hahahahaha I can't stop laughing.

lamisa
August 11, 2010, 10:44 AM
^^^me neither!

Purbasha T
August 11, 2010, 03:28 PM
So hmmm got hmmmed?? Hmmm.

MohammedC
August 11, 2010, 03:42 PM
pakistan means the land of pure P=punjab A=Afghania(Khyber pakhtunkhwa) K=Kashmir S=Sindh TAN=Baluchistan

Isn't there a "i" in Pakistan. Does it mean India.

roman
August 12, 2010, 01:53 PM
yes,in countries where cricket is not popular,they usually go like "is bangladesh in india?" after i answer to anyone that i am bangladeshi and in a country where cricket is popular,they go like "isn't that the country who keeps losing all the time?" ::hairpull::
i feel your pain lol

wasi90lkv1
August 13, 2010, 12:34 AM
tamim iqbal has a long way to go.

Rajput
December 17, 2011, 01:51 AM
bump.Seems clueless at the moment.Needs a long break.

zman
December 17, 2011, 09:45 AM
as we're needlessly bumping old threads, I'll say, times change but some things hardly ever change - the claim still holds true in a slightly different context, in terms of trustworthiness and honor