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shakibrulz
August 3, 2010, 10:09 AM
I think it's okay to start another trivial thread as we're having no matches coming in near future.

Okay so the nominees are:
Mohammad Rafique
Habibul Bashar
Khaled Mahmud
Khaled Mashud
Javed Omar
Aminul Islam
Ather Ali Khan
Shakib Al Hasan
Tamim Iqbal
Mohammed Ashraful
Mashrafe Mortaza


I think that'd suffice.. I ain't accepting no more nominations :D

Don't forget to mention why you think he deserves that title. :)

shakibrulz
August 3, 2010, 10:13 AM
Oh heck, the site was down, and accidentally created 2 threads without poll.

Mods, please add a poll with the given nominations.

iDumb
August 3, 2010, 10:45 AM
Where is Mohammad Ashraful??? Despite his current form, he is a strong contender. In fact, he gets my vote NOW. It will be someone different in near future.

So your list is not sufficient.. sorry!

zman
August 3, 2010, 10:50 AM
Mohammad Rafique by far

Equinox
August 3, 2010, 11:02 AM
Ashraful should be there. He is our most-prolific matchwinner. I think as sorry as it sounds, by sheer matchwinning ability it has to be Ashraful. In terms of personal achievement it's Tamim but he hasn't won us a match against a G8 side yet although his 154 against Zimbabwe chasing a mammoth total was equal to a G8 win performance IMO.

Beamer
August 3, 2010, 11:02 AM
As of now, its a toss up between Bashar and Rafiq. I would slightly put Rafiq ahead.

How about an all time BD XI, in line with what cricinfo has been doing for the other major nations? We can have an ODI and Test XI.

Kabir
August 3, 2010, 11:09 AM
There's no greatest...all of them are a bunch of amateurs playing in a professional league.

Rifat
August 3, 2010, 11:14 AM
up until now:
ODI XI:

Habibul Bashar
Tamim Iqbal
Aminul Islam Bulbul
Akram Khan
Mohammad Ashraful
Shakib al Hasan
Khaled Mashud(wk)
Khaled Mahmud(c)
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Syed Rasel
12th man: Baisya


Test XI:

Javed Omar
Tamim Iqbal
Aminul Islam Bulbul
Habibul Bashar
Minhajul Abedin Nannu
Mohammad Mushfiqur Rahim(wk) (c)
Mohammad Ashraful
Shakib-al-hasan
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Shahadat Hossain

12th man: Enamul Haque jr.

this is by far not a perfect XI, but something to start with, eh? ;)

nycpro96
August 3, 2010, 11:15 AM
Tamim is the greatest batsman we have ever produced.
Rafique is probably the greatest spinner yet but Mashrafe is imo, the best overall bowler that we have produced.

Peace
August 3, 2010, 11:24 AM
Tamim Iqbal has a potential to be the greatest Bangladeshi player.

simon
August 3, 2010, 11:47 AM
Tamim is the greatest batsman we have ever produced.
Rafique is probably the greatest spinner yet but Mashrafe is imo, the best overall bowler that we have produced.

agreed with all yr points but how could u forget the best allrounder we've ever produced,Sakib aL Hasan.:)
It's hard to say who as all the names mentioned above are the best in their own department but I think Sakib is well ahead of every1.(as he is the allrounder ;) )

_Rafi_
August 3, 2010, 12:01 PM
Shakib! He breaks no. 1 spot of allrounder and no.2 spot of bowler. Win everything in our first overseas series win and lead from the front. Most importantly he is the first player who can walk any of the test team of his time.
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Habib
August 3, 2010, 01:10 PM
Shakia Al Hasan for his allround accomplishments. And Tamim Iqbal is well on his way too for the greatest BD cricketer/batsman.

Tiger-ess
August 3, 2010, 01:27 PM
Mashrafe and Mohammed Rafique!

shakibrulz
August 3, 2010, 02:43 PM
Hmm.. I thought about Ashraful but him being pathetically inconsistent rules him out from the 'greatest player' I guess.. Anyways Included as many of you requested to.

shakibrulz
August 3, 2010, 02:43 PM
Darn, can't mods please add a poll? :(

shakibrulz
August 3, 2010, 02:45 PM
There's no greatest...all of them are a bunch of amateurs playing in a professional league.

Shakib & Tamim are amateurs too? :ticking:

They'd probably walk into almost any team (Shakib in both formats and Tamim in Tests) now.

shakibrulz
August 3, 2010, 02:47 PM
My choice, Shakib and Tamim, but Shakib holds the clear edge as he tops the ICC rankings + won wisden cricketer of the year which any other BD player wouldn't have thought in their wildest dreams.

MatinSux
August 3, 2010, 02:57 PM
Whoever scores double ton in a test match.

Baundule
August 3, 2010, 04:50 PM
Akram Khan is my pick. He was a great captain, good enough batsman and an occasssional medium pacer. What I like abou him the most is his never say die attitude.

al Furqaan
August 3, 2010, 05:33 PM
All Time Test XI

1) Tamim
2) Junaid
3) Bashar
4) Rahim
5) Ashraful
6) Shakib
7) Pilot
8) Mashrafee
9) Rafique
10) Shahadat
11) Enam Jr

nycpro96
August 3, 2010, 05:48 PM
All Time Test XI

1) Tamim
2) Junaid
3) Bashar
4) Rahim
5) Ashraful
6) Shakib
7) Pilot
8) Mashrafee
9) Rafique
10) Shahadat
11) Enam Jr

I don't know about Enam but rest of it is spot on.

dolcevita
August 3, 2010, 07:20 PM
Shakib al Hasan : first BD to be on top of the icc ranking for years
first bangladeshi to win a wisden awards
first bangladeshi to plays county
what else?
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nycpro96
August 3, 2010, 08:09 PM
Best imo:

Shakib
Tamim
Rafique
Mashrafe

shabbir
August 3, 2010, 08:43 PM
Most Probably Akram Khan/Mohammad Rafique if we consider their contribution,infrastructure or facilities they got.

zman
August 3, 2010, 09:11 PM
Best imo:

Shakib
Tamim
Rafique
Mashrafe
I like your list. If Mash didn't have to undergo three knee surgeries already he'd be the most likely candidate. When it's all said and done in all likelihood it'll be a close finish between Shak and T. As of now, due to his longevity, consistency and match winning abilities with both bat and ball I'm sticking with Rafique.

Habib
August 3, 2010, 11:09 PM
Shakib al Hasan : first BD to be on top of the icc ranking for years
first bangladeshi to win a wisden awards
first bangladeshi to plays county
what else?
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Second Bangladeshi to have atleast se7en 5 wickets haul in test.

BANFAN
August 3, 2010, 11:15 PM
Potential to be great? TI, but not yet.

At the moment; if there are no greats, how do you work out all time greats?

Naimul_Hd
August 3, 2010, 11:46 PM
Its too early to call both Tamim and Shakib 'All time greatest'.

For me, till now, the ALL time greatest is Md. Rafique. He was just revolutionary that time. His performce with ball gave Bangladesh a new name specially in Test matches. He is the God father of our so called SLA's. He was also a devastating batsman and gave immense pleasure with his bats. SALUTE TO THIS GENIUS !!:notworthy:

dolcevita
August 4, 2010, 01:47 AM
First Bangladeshi to have atleast se7en 5 wickets haul in test.

M.Rafique has also 7 five wickets haul ...( but at the end of his career Shakib should have atleast 20 five wickets hauls)
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Antora
August 4, 2010, 03:14 AM
Rafique :)

Hasib
August 4, 2010, 04:16 AM
As of now, its a toss up between Bashar and Rafiq. I would slightly put Rafiq ahead.

How about an all time BD XI, in line with what cricinfo has been doing for the other major nations? We can have an ODI and Test XI.


I was going to say bashar but I have to agree with you, Rafiq is slightly ahead.

Tiger444
August 4, 2010, 09:08 AM
Its too early to call Shakib or Tamim the greatest since their still so young and haven't played much but if they hold up they will be the best..I would say Mohammad Rafique..he was ranked as the best spinner in the world at times despite our team being so weak..he was always a threat to the batsmen when he went on to bowl which is definitely a 1st for a BD bowler so I would go with him but since we are still a new test nation its hard to say..

Beamer
August 4, 2010, 10:11 AM
All Time Test XI

1) Tamim
2) Junaid
3) Bashar
4) Rahim
5) Ashraful
6) Shakib
7) Pilot
8) Mashrafee
9) Rafique
10) Shahadat
11) Enam Jr

Almost my XI.
1. Tamim
2. Junaid ( I did give JO some thought )
3. Bashar
4. Bulbul ( wrong timing of birth )
5. Ash
6. Sakib
7. Pilot ( best wkt keeper ever for us and a tough minded batsman )
8. Rafiq
9. Mash
10. Shahadat
11. Shafiul ( yes..I think he is a real find )

Habib
August 4, 2010, 10:37 AM
Almost my XI.
1. Tamim
2. Junaid ( I did give JO some thought )
3. Bashar
4. Bulbul ( wrong timing of birth )
5. Ash
6. Sakib
7. Pilot ( best wkt keeper ever for us and a tough minded batsman )
8. Rafiq
9. Mash
10. Shahadat
11. Shafiul ( yes..I think he is a real find )

Actually Bulbul's timing of birth was perfect IMO. If he was playing at present he wouldn't get a chance in the national team. Selectors no sorry Board Directors prefer flameboyance over patience. i.e. Rakibul Hasan.

iDumb
August 4, 2010, 11:15 AM
Almost my XI.
1. Tamim
2. Junaid ( I did give JO some thought )
3. Bashar
4. Bulbul ( wrong timing of birth )
5. Ash
6. Sakib
7. Pilot ( best wkt keeper ever for us and a tough minded batsman )
8. Rafiq
9. Mash
10. Shahadat
11. Shafiul ( yes..I think he is a real find )

couldn't agree more. When mr alfurqan put Mushfiqur - i was like WHY? he has DONE NOTHING. I was thinking of a replacement but couldn't figure out who i wanted.

you called it buddy.

the only person i don't like there is shafiul (right now atleast). I was thinking Of khaled Mahmud but he would only be in ODI not in test.

zman
August 4, 2010, 01:25 PM
Tamim
Athar/Ash* (Four times out of five I’d go with Athar, Ash gets the nod only when he’s in good form, given his low average and consistent inconsistency throughout his career, making him automatic choice is too risky. Also, winning two MOM awards out of eleven matches won against the G8 isn’t enough to justify his automatic selection as a match winner in my book; however, when he's in the team he obviously plays in the middle order)
Junaid
Bashar
Bulbul
Shakib
Pilot
Mash
Rafiq
Shahadat* (Makes the team due to his past performance, not on current form/speed)
Shafiul

Zeeshan
August 4, 2010, 07:26 PM
How come no one made a 'player' joke? Farooqi is a great contender imo.

mahbubH
August 5, 2010, 03:43 AM
I will always have Nannu in my best 11. He was a great batsman.

Ananna
August 5, 2010, 07:03 AM
I will always have Nannu in my best 11. He was a great batsman.

I agree. Altough I disliked him when he used to play (for this attitude I guess), he is one of the best batsmen BD have ever produced. He could bowl a bit too.

beshideshi
August 5, 2010, 07:52 AM
Afraid to say, but Shakib or Tamim hasn't done enough to snatch the "greatest ever" tag. In my opinion, the best greatest BD player ever would probably be either Akram Khan/Aminul Islam/Mohd. Rafique/Habibul Bashar.
Remember greatest ever is not judged by talent alone, rather the impact they had on Bangladeshi cricket and all of these guys have played a huge part in the development of Bangladesh cricket.

Catskills
August 5, 2010, 09:37 PM
Rafique as of now.

Tigers_eye
August 6, 2010, 12:16 AM
So far Mo Rafique. (among the retired and current)
Khaled Mashud comes real close to second. The "SIX" and the journey began.

In five years, Shakib Al Hasan. 10 years, Shakib Al Hasan.

ahnaf
August 6, 2010, 01:26 AM
Certainly rafique... A great spinner..

shakibrulz
August 6, 2010, 07:15 AM
Afraid to say, but Shakib or Tamim hasn't done enough to snatch the "greatest ever" tag. In my opinion, the best greatest BD player ever would probably be either Akram Khan/Aminul Islam/Mohd. Rafique/Habibul Bashar.
Remember greatest ever is not judged by talent alone, rather the impact they had on Bangladeshi cricket and all of these guys have played a huge part in the development of Bangladesh cricket.


Tamim: Man of the series in England scoring back to back hundreds, best test average for any BD batsman - he's probably the most famous BD cricketer to date. He's in such a form that he'd probably walk into any of the test playing nations. Almost got the 1000 calender year runs record too.

Shakib: One of the best spinners, if not the best of the current crop, Wisden cricketer of the year, Top allrounder in world cricket. He's already equaled the 7 wkt haul of rafique and is just 24. Now we all know spinners tend to get better with time. He may well end up as one of the best spinners of our times.

Also take their ages into consideration, it's just remarkable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not underestimating what they've done to BD cricket, but these guys have done enough so far to give the seniors a tough competition for the spot, and they've just started.

lamisa
August 6, 2010, 09:19 AM
as far as i saw,it's rafique.(though i have been hearing my dad go on about bulbul being the greatest bd batsman ever,it has been my misfortune that i never saw him play)

Naimul_Hd
August 6, 2010, 09:37 AM
Shakib: One of the best spinners, if not the best of the current crop, Wisden cricketer of the year, Top allrounder in world cricket. He's already equaled the 7 wkt haul of rafique and is just 24. Now we all know spinners tend to get better with time. He may well end up as one of the best spinners of our times.

Also take their ages into consideration, it's just remarkable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not underestimating what they've done to BD cricket, but these guys have done enough so far to give the seniors a tough competition for the spot, and they've just started.


Md. Rafique would have been miles ahead of Shakib if he had been lucky enough to start his career in this ready made platform like this generation players are getting.

Bond
August 6, 2010, 03:56 PM
Mohammed Ashraful.

One World
August 6, 2010, 04:14 PM
Yet to play.

dolcevita
August 6, 2010, 04:49 PM
Mohammed Ashraful.

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cricket_king
August 6, 2010, 08:55 PM
LOL @ Javed Omar Belim and Khaled Mahmud.
Rafique gets my vote simply because he's retired. Bashar would be next in line.
If Ashraful was retired, it'd go to him.

ahnaf
August 7, 2010, 02:51 AM
Md. Rafique would have been miles ahead of Shakib if he had been lucky enough to start his career in this ready made platform like this generation players are getting.

agreed... Amito mone kori rafique one of best spinner of the world.. Rafique je 33 match khelche otar to 25-26 match e to duibar bowling er chance pay nai... Akta match e match ak inning bowling kore matro 1st 13 match e 50 wicket paicilo rafique jeta warne murali o pare nai duibar bowling kore.

ahnaf
August 7, 2010, 02:56 AM
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jodi apni match winning performance hiseb koren nd karo performance team er upor kotota provab pore tahole ash r dhare kacheo keo nai....

dolcevita
August 7, 2010, 03:06 AM
jodi apni match winning performance hiseb koren nd karo performance team er upor kotota provab pore tahole ash r dhare kacheo keo nai....

Yes he won us few game , but how many dozen game BD lost due to his personnal failures??
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M.H.Rubel
August 7, 2010, 04:11 AM
I want to name an unconventional name.
Greatest Player ever born in Bangladesh,K M Pilot.A great player and an exceptionally cunning captain.
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ahnaf
August 7, 2010, 04:19 AM
Yes he won us few game , but how many dozen game BD lost due to his personnal failures??
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thats the point.. Why only him???? I think he's d only match winner still now...

lamisa
August 7, 2010, 05:13 AM
I want to name an unconventional name.
Greatest Player ever born in Bangladesh,K M Pilot.A great player and an exceptionally cunning captain.
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the name is not that unconventional!it was sad to see his career coming to a premature end

Catskills
August 7, 2010, 06:58 PM
Talent comes and goes but Rafique is Rafique... I would also consider Bashar and Pilot right next to Rafique.

lamisa
August 8, 2010, 10:12 AM
^^^the saddest part is that bashar's career ended in a rather sad manner,him being so terribly out of form and all that.but pilot's and rafique's retirements were totally disgraceful,the way they got shunted due to politics...

patriot
August 8, 2010, 11:30 AM
The greatest Bangladeshi player is Sakib Al Hassan. No Bangladeshi player even comes close to the all round talents this guy posses . He is pure class. How many Bangladeshi players mentioned in the above post have been consistently sitting in the top 10 of the ICC all rounder and bowling rankings ?

Since we started playing cricket you can quite confidently say Shakib Al Hassan is the ONLY BD player who could easily walk into any International side at this moment .

Rafique was a great fighter with limited talents as a btasman and was a great bowler only by our standards . It hurts to say , but he can never be mentioned in the same breath as Shakib. Shakib is totally in a different league altogether.

zman
August 8, 2010, 11:49 AM
jodi apni match winning performance hiseb koren nd karo performance team er upor kotota provab pore tahole ash r dhare kacheo keo nai....
This is actually a gross overestimation of his contribution as a match winner. In our 11 ODI wins against G8, he has been the best performer on only two occasions--against Australia at Cardiff and against SA in the last world cup, and although he was the best performer with the bat, one could easily argue our bowlers won us that match by bowling stifling line and length against the Proteas from the word go and till the very end. On the other hand, in wins against the G8, Mash has won MOM 3 times and Shak twice (I think even Aftab won two, not sure though), if I'm not mistaken, in addition to making steady contribution with both ball and bat more often than not.

ahnaf
August 8, 2010, 11:53 AM
The greatest Bangladeshi player is Sakib Al Hassan. No Bangladeshi player even comes close to the all round talents this guy posses . He is pure class. How many Bangladeshi players mentioned in the above post have been consistently sitting in the top 10 of the ICC all rounder and bowling rankings ?

Since we started playing cricket you can quite confidently say Shakib Al Hassan is the ONLY BD player who could easily walk into any International side at this moment .

Rafique was a great fighter with limited talents as a btasman and was a great bowler only by our standards . It hurts to say , but he can never be mentioned in the same breath as Shakib. Shakib is totally in a different league altogether.

hilarious.... Rafique is a one of the best spinner in the world.. Rafique je team e khelche shakib k okhane khelte dao batting jai hok bowling e rafique r soman khokono hote parbe na.. Bolo shakib k 13 test 1 innings kore bowling kore 50 wicket nite... Shudu shakib na keo e parbe na ata..

ahnaf
August 8, 2010, 12:05 PM
This is actually a gross overestimation of his contribution as a match winner. In our 11 ODI wins against G8, he has been the best performer on only two occasions--against Australia at Cardiff and against SA in the last world cup, and although he was the best performer with the bat, one could easily argue our bowlers won us that match by bowling stifling line and length against the Proteas from the word go and till the very end. On the other hand, in wins against the G8, Mash has won MOM 3 times and Shak twice (I think even Aftab won two, not sure though), if I'm not mistaken, in addition to making steady contribution with both ball and bat more often than not.

aftab?? Never... Ha o match finish kore eshece koykta match e.... Ha shakib srilanka r against e jitiyeche... India r against e ota team performanc chilo bhaiya.. Mushy,shak,tamim all made 50 nd mash was outstanding.. Amar jotodur mone hoy mash je tinta match e MoM hoyse otar shudu aktay ash perform kore nai india r against e.. Ha amito bolcina je bowler der obodan nei.. Ami just ata bolte chaice almost every win Specially against g8 ash better performer chilo nd khokono best performer chilo... Nd o jhokon bhalo khele thokon puro team kei onno rokom lage..

shakibrulz
August 8, 2010, 12:56 PM
Md. Rafique would have been miles ahead of Shakib if he had been lucky enough to start his career in this ready made platform like this generation players are getting.

LOL don't gimme that hypothetical stuff. Just like saying Vinod Kambli would've been better than Sachin had he got more chances :D

I would say a big NO. The way Shakib performed in SA is still a distant dream for most spinners, I can't remember any as of now getting 5'fers in SA.

And what exactly do you mean by platform? Cricket is much more of a batsmen's game now, than it used to be in the past. So I can argue he'd have done worse perhaps?

Nevertheless he wouldn't have come anywhere near shakib. I know you guys have a lot of respect for the guy, and I'm not forgetting his contribution to BD cricket. But Shakib is lightyears ahead of him. /:)

_Rafi_
August 8, 2010, 03:19 PM
@ahnaf bro, Shakib didnt bowl in his first 6 test...this should be consider as well and add to this he get 5-fer all the nation he has played against. And his average also better than Rafique and bowling average doesnt depend upon the innings you have bowled(as u stated Rafique bowled in fewer innings).

Tiger444
August 8, 2010, 08:49 PM
People have to also consider how bad Rafique's teams were though..imagine relying on batsmen like AAA to get you runs and defending those those totals? For a spinner its a big thing to defend a total of about a 150 compared to 230-250..they need time before they can pick up wickets..from what I remember Rafique was ranked really high in the ICC bowlers rankings..no doubt though Shakib is much more talented then Rafique..Rafique was a very hard worker which paid off in the end..Shakib is a true talent who is already 1 of the best bowlers in the world at the age of only 23..his batting skills are also world class which is very rare in the cricket world..teams would love to have Shakib in their teams..even though he's accomplished a lot I think give him a few more years and then he will definitely be tagged as the best to ever play for BD but he has competition with Tamim..

beshideshi
August 8, 2010, 09:28 PM
Tamim: Man of the series in England scoring back to back hundreds, best test average for any BD batsman - he's probably the most famous BD cricketer to date. He's in such a form that he'd probably walk into any of the test playing nations. Almost got the 1000 calender year runs record too.

Shakib: One of the best spinners, if not the best of the current crop, Wisden cricketer of the year, Top allrounder in world cricket. He's already equaled the 7 wkt haul of rafique and is just 24. Now we all know spinners tend to get better with time. He may well end up as one of the best spinners of our times.

Also take their ages into consideration, it's just remarkable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not underestimating what they've done to BD cricket, but these guys have done enough so far to give the seniors a tough competition for the spot, and they've just started.
There is no doubt that a batsman of Tamim's caliber has never worn the Bangladeshi jersey, and Shakib is amongst the most gifted cricketers in the world. There are also players like Mashrafe, Mushy who are near world class quality.
But you have to consider the circumstances under which Akram/Aminul played, if you remember the ICC trophy 1997, that was the biggest tournament in our cricketing history. No other tournament has given us a similar thrust forward. And all of these players have made a much greater contribution to Bangladesh cricket in terms of improvement. If you think about it, if Tamim/Shakib can put Bangladesh amongst the top 6 team, they would have yielded a similar thrust to what Aminul/Akram did. And that is simply why I think the greatest Bangladeshi player is someone from Akram/Aminul/Rafique/Bashar.
Unless something very weird happens, the same question[greatest player] asked in 5 years would have Tamim/Shakib as a definite answer.

shakibrulz
August 8, 2010, 10:43 PM
There is no doubt that a batsman of Tamim's caliber has never worn the Bangladeshi jersey, and Shakib is amongst the most gifted cricketers in the world. There are also players like Mashrafe, Mushy who are near world class quality.
But you have to consider the circumstances under which Akram/Aminul played, if you remember the ICC trophy 1997, that was the biggest tournament in our cricketing history. No other tournament has given us a similar thrust forward. And all of these players have made a much greater contribution to Bangladesh cricket in terms of improvement. If you think about it, if Tamim/Shakib can put Bangladesh amongst the top 6 team, they would have yielded a similar thrust to what Aminul/Akram did. And that is simply why I think the greatest Bangladeshi player is someone from Akram/Aminul/Rafique/Bashar.
Unless something very weird happens, the same question[greatest player] asked in 5 years would have Tamim/Shakib as a definite answer.

Fair enough. :) But don't you think playing against minnows with much lesser pressure and winning is a bit easier than performing at the international level? I mean I acknowledge their efforts, but International scene is a whole different ball game. It's no joke a BD player topping the ICC rankings, and scoring almost 1000 runs in a calender year that too in conditions like England.

So don't you think it's kinda unfair to underplay the achievements of Shakib and Tamim? :smug:

beshideshi
August 9, 2010, 01:00 AM
Fair enough. :) But don't you think playing against minnows with much lesser pressure and winning is a bit easier than performing at the international level? I mean I acknowledge their efforts, but International scene is a whole different ball game. It's no joke a BD player topping the ICC rankings, and scoring almost 1000 runs in a calender year that too in conditions like England.

So don't you think it's kinda unfair to underplay the achievements of Shakib and Tamim? :smug:

haha, well I am not saying that you can't tag Shakib/Tamim as the greatest ever. It's just that I want them to do something huge[semis in 2011 wc maybe?] before *I* call them greatest ever.
You can call Alamgir Kabir as the greatest ever, and that's your opinion, and trust me I respect it. I clearly see why you are lifting Tamim/Shakib and I agree with you. But for now I think Aminul/Akram/Rafique/Bashar would get the best ever tag.

Shayaan
August 9, 2010, 02:17 AM
The other day I was having a chat with my some journalist colleagues at the press box at SBNS. Suddenly one raised an issue what should be the all time best ODI XI of Bangladesh. We all agreed to the following one -
1. Mehrab Hossain Sr
2. Tamim Iqbal
3. Mohammad Ashraful
4. Aminul Islam
5.Minhajul Abedin
6. Shakib Al Hasan
7. Khaled Mashud
8. Mohammad Rafique
9. Mashrafee Mortaza
10. Abdur Razzak
11. GM Nawsher Prince

Naimul_Hd
August 9, 2010, 03:01 AM
LOL don't gimme that hypothetical stuff. Just like saying Vinod Kambli would've been better than Sachin had he got more chances :D

I would say a big NO. The way Shakib performed in SA is still a distant dream for most spinners, I can't remember any as of now getting 5'fers in SA.

And what exactly do you mean by platform? Cricket is much more of a batsmen's game now, than it used to be in the past. So I can argue he'd have done worse perhaps?

Nevertheless he wouldn't have come anywhere near shakib. I know you guys have a lot of respect for the guy, and I'm not forgetting his contribution to BD cricket. But Shakib is lightyears ahead of him. /:)


I aint going to argue with u. You know what i meant. Otherwise, this argument would be sounding like, who is the best ? Sachin Tendulkar or Don Bradman !

You cant compare Sachin with Don even though Sachin has got highest number of centuries, highest runs in both test and ODI's etc. There is no doubt both of them are the greatest batsmen in their own era but if anyone makes a list, then Don Bradman will be automatic contender for no 1 so is the case of Md.Rafique and Shakib !

ps: its totally my opinion. you are not bound to agree with me !

shakibrulz
August 9, 2010, 04:15 AM
haha, well I am not saying that you can't tag Shakib/Tamim as the greatest ever. It's just that I want them to do something huge[semis in 2011 wc maybe?] before *I* call them greatest ever.
You can call Alamgir Kabir as the greatest ever, and that's your opinion, and trust me I respect it. I clearly see why you are lifting Tamim/Shakib and I agree with you. But for now I think Aminul/Akram/Rafique/Bashar would get the best ever tag.
Point taken :-D

I aint going to argue with u. You know what i meant. Otherwise, this argument would be sounding like, who is the best ? Sachin Tendulkar or Don Bradman !

You cant compare Sachin with Don even though Sachin has got highest number of centuries, highest runs in both test and ODI's etc. There is no doubt both of them are the greatest batsmen in their own era but if anyone makes a list, then Don Bradman will be automatic contender for no 1 so is the case of Md.Rafique and Shakib !

ps: its totally my opinion. you are not bound to agree with me !

I thought this was a discussion, and having a healthy debate is always good IMO. /:)

And Bradman vs Sachin - bad analogy in this case - you just shot yourself in the foot. Bradmans average is still a distant dream for any of the batsman (Though he had advantage of playing against same opponent and bowlers are far more superior now than then). Sachin has more centuries for a good reason - he played almost double the matches as Bradman did.

Shakib's bowling performance, earning wisden cricket of the year award, and topping ICC rankings has been never. So even statistically, Shakib is ahead of Rafique innit?

Sachin vs Bradman is very debatable, but I don't see a point in why Rafique is easily considered as the greatest, and some are just reluctant to accept Shakib to be even a nominee. May be I'm missing something, please enlighten me on that regard and I'll gladly accept that I was wrong.

Naimul_Hd
August 9, 2010, 06:02 AM
Point taken :-D



I thought this was a discussion, and having a healthy debate is always good IMO. /:)

And Bradman vs Sachin - bad analogy in this case - you just shot yourself in the foot. Bradmans average is still a distant dream for any of the batsman (Though he had advantage of playing against same opponent and bowlers are far more superior now than then). Sachin has more centuries for a good reason - he played almost double the matches as Bradman did.

Shakib's bowling performance, earning wisden cricket of the year award, and topping ICC rankings has been never. So even statistically, Shakib is ahead of Rafique innit?

Sachin vs Bradman is very debatable, but I don't see a point in why Rafique is easily considered as the greatest, and some are just reluctant to accept Shakib to be even a nominee. May be I'm missing something, please enlighten me on that regard and I'll gladly accept that I was wrong.


LOL.....u just missed the point here...i mentioned about Sachin and Bradman only to make you understand that comparing Shakib to Rafique (as you tried to do in your earlier posts) is illogical. ICC ranking is only based on current performance. Shakib is ahead of Flintoff, Vettori in the ranking, so do you think, Shakib is better player than Flintoff and Vettori ? Hello ????

If it seems to be a bad analogy for you to compare Sachin to Bradman, so does it for me to compare shakib to Rafique !

And the title of this thread is " The Greatest Bangladeshi Player of All time" ! Forget about ALL TIME, Shakib will have a tough competition in this current team against Tamim Iqbal and Mashrafe !

Ananna
August 9, 2010, 07:30 AM
The other day I was having a chat with my some journalist colleagues at the press box at SBNS. Suddenly one raised an issue what should be the all time best ODI XI of Bangladesh. We all agreed to the following one -
1. Mehrab Hossain Sr
2. Tamim Iqbal
3. Mohammad Ashraful
4. Aminul Islam
5.Minhajul Abedin
6. Shakib Al Hasan
7. Khaled Mashud
8. Mohammad Rafique
9. Mashrafee Mortaza
10. Abdur Razzak
11. GM Nawsher Prince

Good to see couple of old names in the list.

Zeeshan
August 9, 2010, 08:22 AM
...is yet to come.

lamisa
August 9, 2010, 09:34 AM
Fair enough. :) But don't you think playing against minnows with much lesser pressure and winning is a bit easier than performing at the international level? I mean I acknowledge their efforts, but International scene is a whole different ball game. It's no joke a BD player topping the ICC rankings, and scoring almost 1000 runs in a calender year that too in conditions like England.

So don't you think it's kinda unfair to underplay the achievements of Shakib and Tamim? :smug:

well,we weren't a top team either then.we were also minnow then(though we are still considered so by some people) and we were competing with minnows and we turned out to be the best amongst the whole lot.players of that era made a huge contribution to our cricket because if they hadn't made that contribution,we would still be fighting for a spot in the top ten and players like shakib and tamim would have been putting up the fight and just wouldn't have that platform where test cricket is already being played and all that...do i make some sense to u?

shakibrulz
August 9, 2010, 10:32 AM
LOL.....u just missed the point here...i mentioned about Sachin and Bradman only to make you understand that comparing Shakib to Rafique (as you tried to do in your earlier posts) is illogical.
Again, I'm asking you - WHY? Any sort of fair comparison is welcome. Tendulkar vs Bradman comparison is fair, but you're never gonna get a result on that debate - while I don't see any reason why Rafique is miles ahead of Shakib, so that he deserves the greatest player tag? Please enlighten me.

ICC ranking is only based on current performance. Shakib is ahead of Flintoff, Vettori in the ranking, so do you think, Shakib is better player than Flintoff and Vettori ? Hello ????

Flintoff ain't playing cricket anymore, so let that alone.
And I'm not judging him by Rankings alone, but when it comes to BD cricket - the DO MATTER. No one could get anywhere close to that achievement can they? And the problem is you view it out of context - Wisden cricketer of the year, Top allrounder, Top ODI bowler - Shakib topping all this chart means that he's indeed the real deal. No one can fluke through every possible lists like that.

And just to add, I do believe Shakib is better than Vettori as a bowling allrounder. Shakib is much better than Vettori with the ball, and Vettori is slightly ahead of Shakib in batting. With ball, I believe only Graeme Swann is the one who can possibly be better than Shakib, of the current crop that is.

If it seems to be a bad analogy for you to compare Sachin to Bradman, so does it for me to compare shakib to Rafique !
Nothing wrong in comparing them, I meant the choice of that analogy in this context was bad. That just backfired, that's all.


And the title of this thread is " The Greatest Bangladeshi Player of All time" ! Forget about ALL TIME, Shakib will have a tough competition in this current team against Tamim Iqbal and Mashrafe !

Tamim, I agree, that's pretty debatable. No way Mashrafe, atleast for me. He's damn pretty inconsistent, on his day, he can be a matchwinner (like our very own Ash), but when he gets smacked for a couple of back to back :four:s, I seldom see him recovering from there and picking wickets. Okay forget all that, just look how good his test record is. Shakib has proved he's not just a one day wonder by maintaining good consistency in both formats. In fact, all three formats. :smug:

Anyway, my point is, Shakib is very much worthy a nominee for that title, even in his early stages. I can't believe you guys are underplaying his achievements so much.

well,we weren't a top team either then.we were also minnow then(though we are still considered so by some people) and we were competing with minnows and we turned out to be the best amongst the whole lot.players of that era made a huge contribution to our cricket because if they hadn't made that contribution,we would still be fighting for a spot in the top ten and players like shakib and tamim would have been putting up the fight and just wouldn't have that platform where test cricket is already being played and all that...do i make some sense to u?

Well, I get your point, but the thing is playing as a minnow in associate level means a lot less pressure than performing while everyone is questioning the team's test status? Maybe proving yourself among the best lot means you're a better player than the other lot? Does that logic sound a lot complicated?

lamisa
August 10, 2010, 12:35 PM
Again, I'm asking you - WHY? Any sort of fair comparison is welcome. Tendulkar vs Bradman comparison is fair, but you're never gonna get a result on that debate - while I don't see any reason why Rafique is miles ahead of Shakib, so that he deserves the greatest player tag? Please enlighten me.

Flintoff ain't playing cricket anymore, so let that alone.
And I'm not judging him by Rankings alone, but when it comes to BD cricket - the DO MATTER. No one could get anywhere close to that achievement can they? And the problem is you view it out of context - Wisden cricketer of the year, Top allrounder, Top ODI bowler - Shakib topping all this chart means that he's indeed the real deal. No one can fluke through every possible lists like that.

And just to add, I do believe Shakib is better than Vettori as a bowling allrounder. Shakib is much better than Vettori with the ball, and Vettori is slightly ahead of Shakib in batting. With ball, I believe only Graeme Swann is the one who can possibly be better than Shakib, of the current crop that is.


Nothing wrong in comparing them, I meant the choice of that analogy in this context was bad. That just backfired, that's all.



Tamim, I agree, that's pretty debatable. No way Mashrafe, atleast for me. He's damn pretty inconsistent, on his day, he can be a matchwinner (like our very own Ash), but when he gets smacked for a couple of back to back :four:s, I seldom see him recovering from there and picking wickets. Okay forget all that, just look how good his test record is. Shakib has proved he's not just a one day wonder by maintaining good consistency in both formats. In fact, all three formats. :smug:

Anyway, my point is, Shakib is very much worthy a nominee for that title, even in his early stages. I can't believe you guys are underplaying his achievements so much.



Well, I get your point, but the thing is playing as a minnow in associate level means a lot less pressure than performing while everyone is questioning the team's test status? Maybe proving yourself among the best lot means you're a better player than the other lot? Does that logic sound a lot complicated?

yes i see what u are trying to say here,while i was reading this thread initially i also had tamim-shakib in my mind but then i feel that akram-bulbul made a great contribution to our cricket by providing us with the license to play test cricket and tamim-shakib can prove to be the greatest if they help us by contributing immensely in retaining it and i feel that they are heading along that direction:)

nahaz
August 10, 2010, 03:53 PM
It is silly to include current players such as Shakib and Tamim as the greatest ever when they really have not taken our cricket to another level. Let these guys help Bangladesh actually dominate for a year and then I'll start calling them legends.

Although none of them were the greatest international players in their days, Bashar (test) and Rafique were really legends of their times. Akram, Bulbul, Shujon and Pilot were all part of our story of arriving onto the international scene. Rafique in fact would have been way better than Shakib if he got the training.

I have enormous respect for Shakib as a bowler. But as a cricketer he's still an infant. If hehad shown a fraction of the guts shown by the players mentioned above, we would have been so much better off. It takes guts to stick it out in the middle when you're struggling in batting. He always chooses the easy option.Same applies to Tamim. Its not guts, but maturity, that I ask off him.

Murad
August 10, 2010, 04:58 PM
Greatest Bangladeshi players of all time are Shakib Al-Hasan & Mohammad Rafique. Tamim has long way to go! Just a few centuries against England doesn't make him the greatest.

Bulbul and Akram are legends but not the greatest players. Rafique is ahead of all the legends.

i think some of you are confused about legendary players and greatest players.

Habib
August 10, 2010, 05:16 PM
Greatest Bangladeshi players of all time are Shakib Al-Hasan & Mohammad Rafique. Tamim has long way to go! Just a few centuries against England doesn't make him the greatest.

Bulbul and Akram are legends but not the greatest players. Rafique is ahead of all the legends.

i think some of you are confused about legendary players and greatest players.

Hmm. That's a sound argument there from Murad vai. Now the question is which category should Ashraful be in? Not the greatest ofcourse. Is he legendary? Or just a less than average player?

Catskills
August 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
I would still pick Rafique in my current team as a spinner if the choice was given to pick between Rafique and Shakib. As for, who had the most contribution and impact in BD cricket, I would say Rafique, then Bashar and Pilot.
Shakib is arguably the hero in our current cricket team and proabably the most prolific player right now, but to say Shakib is the greatest Bangldeshi player... na... I am yet to see this ... hopefully in future.

cricket bd
August 11, 2010, 07:28 PM
shakib and tamim takes the lead

shakibrulz
August 11, 2010, 10:49 PM
I would still pick Rafique in my current team as a spinner if the choice was given to pick between Rafique and Shakib. As for, who had the most contribution and impact in BD cricket, I would say Rafique, then Bashar and Pilot.
Shakib is arguably the hero in our current cricket team and proabably the most prolific player right now, but to say Shakib is the greatest Bangldeshi player... na... I am yet to see this ... hopefully in future.

Yeah, right. Personally Shakib has achieved 2-3 times what they've achieved in their lifetime. And you can't expect him make the other jokers like Ash perform, can you? /:)

I can't really understand the logic, Tamim and Shakib are better than the other players, but they aren't worthy enough for calling best player ever? Seriously?

shakibrulz
August 11, 2010, 10:51 PM
Greatest Bangladeshi players of all time are Shakib Al-Hasan & Mohammad Rafique. Tamim has long way to go! Just a few centuries against England doesn't make him the greatest.

Bulbul and Akram are legends but not the greatest players. Rafique is ahead of all the legends.

i think some of you are confused about legendary players and greatest players.

:saint:

sir john
August 12, 2010, 09:10 PM
i think akram khan and rafique.

wasi90lkv1
August 13, 2010, 12:26 AM
i think it is mohammed rafique or habibul bashar.

but shakib al hasan will achieve much more than them and will probably end up with over 300 test wickets at the end of his career.

lamisa
August 13, 2010, 08:41 AM
^^^^habibul bashar made a fool of himself at the end of his career so u could knock of a point for that and put rafique at the top of your list!

Murad
August 14, 2010, 01:54 PM
According to ICC, all-time great of Bangladesh is Shakib Al-Hasan

All-time great
Bangladesh's international cricket history is still short so there are many more deeds to be done before it establishes itselves at the top level. Nonetheless, Shakib Al Hasan has emerged as its first world-class cricketer since his international debut in 2006. The left-handed batsman and slow left-armer has already filled the number one spot in the Reliance Mobile ICC ODI Championship Rankings in both the all-rounder and bowler categories. In terms of Test cricket, Shakib has put in some fine performances against all-comers – recording several five-wicket bowling performances and making his first century against New Zealand in 2010. The all-rounder’s finest moment to date came in 2009 when he stood in as captain for Mashrafe Mortaze and led his side to its first-ever overseas Test victories and series win – against West Indies.
icc-cricket (http://icc-cricket.yahoo.net/the-icc/icc_members/profile.php?countryCode=ICC_FULL_MEMBERS_BANGLADES H)
Before him, it was Ashraful.

BASSMAN
August 14, 2010, 03:08 PM
Player wise it has to be Rafique. But Pilot should be a close 2nd.

Tiger-ess
August 14, 2010, 09:04 PM
My dad thinks Bulbul and Minhajul Abedin. Also he mentioned a certain ..... ... prince.
Anyone here know of him, something prince. Apparently was an excellent fast bowler back in the days.

Im surprised more people arent mentioning Ashraful. He almost single handedly won us so many matches against the G8. So many people around the world today recognise bangladesh as a cricketing nation purley because of this fella. Even now when people hear Ashraful isnt in the team, it comes as a hell of a shock to them. Yes I think he's lost his mind now a days, but without a doubt out of all the players in the squad he gives it his all (apart from batting) fielding, inspiring the team, joy of winning he gives it bloody 110%. you can see how much he loves playing for bangladesh its almost like he's ready to take a bullet for his country and his teamates! Take 2009 for example, historic year for us, not so much for ashraful in personal terms with him losing captincy and that, but if you play those momentous videos back of us winning those matches the first thing you'll notice is how happy ashraful is despite not having performed himself and strpped of captincy. Same thing earlier this year then we beat England for the first time, Ash's joy is noticible as always but where the heck is Shakib. Im teling you i've seen those highlights more than enough times and he's no where to be seen! yes one can argue camera men are at fault here but im not buying it. (and im not slagging off shakib either). I hope he gets atleast a few matches in the worldcup no matter what.

Zunaid
August 14, 2010, 09:10 PM
My dad thinks Bulbul and Minhajul Abedin. Also he mentioned a certain ..... ... prince.
Anyone here know of him, something prince. Apparently was an excellent fast bowler back in the days.


Golam Nowsher Prince

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=31723

zman
August 14, 2010, 11:53 PM
Im surprised more people arent mentioning Ashraful. He almost single handedly won us so many matches against the G8.
Common misconception. He almost single handedly won us only one match against the G8 and that was against Aus. In our win against the Proteas he was our best batsman but our bowling unit's outstanding performance in the second innings had a lot to do with that win. In no other ODI win against the G8 was he our best performer.

shakibrulz
October 14, 2010, 06:10 AM
Bump :D

alubortha
October 14, 2010, 06:13 AM
i want to watch presenation..link plz guyzzz

dolcevita
October 14, 2010, 06:13 AM
Shakib al hasan
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reyme
October 14, 2010, 06:14 AM
signed: Shakib it is!!

alubortha
October 14, 2010, 06:16 AM
sakib 2000 dolalrs today....

max410
October 14, 2010, 06:20 AM
ashraful chara BD match jitte parhe i dont think he is that talented anymore or neither he was all his wins are now considered flukes bd can win series against good team without that ashrafoooooooooolll

Tiger-ess
October 14, 2010, 06:23 AM
oh shakib...

Habib
October 14, 2010, 06:31 AM
Such a easy question.Everyone knows that.

zman
October 14, 2010, 06:31 AM
i''m wondering who held the best ODI all rounder title for the longest period of time and how far removed Shakib is from getting there...I just don't see anyone in the world unseating him from the world's no. 1 all rounder any time soon!!!

Dilscoop
October 14, 2010, 07:05 AM
Shakib Al Iceman Hasan Moyna