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Hrithik
August 9, 2010, 12:42 AM
With the power that is the ICC, it is hard to believe that a governing body of such a sublime sport is unable to resurrect test cricket back to its former glory. The players say it is the curators preparing one sided pitches, the curators are saying it is the players unable to utilize pitches, I say it is in the hands of the powers that be, the ICC. It seems like a ploy or even a conspiracy to kill test cricket. Why you may ask? Money hungry boards and governing bodies are blinded by the success of 2020, why waste money on hosting and marketing test cricket with minimum returns when a 2020 tournament can bring the kind of cash never seen before in cricket. The people in charge are businessmen and not true cricket lovers, much like the underhand politics of world governments, the same game is being played by the ICC. They don’t care about the people, they care only for themselves.

If test cricket was the main concern for these people, with all the technological marvels the world has been able to achieve in the last century, surely they can bring in lively pitches even to the now tarnished stadium in Sinhalese. With the kind of money being generated these days, can it really be that difficult to bring in drop in pitches from Australia, England or South Africa? If drug lords can grow weed in warehouses using special lights and temperature control to get the room atmosphere to match that of countries where it is naturally grown, can a similar approach be looked into? The ICC must proactively search for a solution. In formula 1, the rules were recently changed, all the teams were spending millions of pounds on reconfiguring the cars in order to match race rules, does the ICC need to have a similar approach by passing laws on boards to prepare better pitches and to promote test cricket? Yes some national boards are not in a state to fund for such a venture, but the ICC and two or three national boards have enough funds available to assist the less fortunate boards.

They have left us test lovers in the dark and forgotten about us, they are now looking for a new target audience, the type who enjoys this 2020 nonsense, who cares about us? The type who enjoys a mental challenge lasting 5 days, where the best of the best use their minds to out think the opponent, in 2020 you will never see a Mohammad Asif set up a batsman for 2 or 3 over’s by persisting with immaculate line and length before sending in the killer ball. You will never see a Mike Hussey rescue in Sydney or experience the little master in his astonishing state of mind: Sachin Tendulker engaged in a test innings, the concentration, the patience, the technique, a clear mind, lighting fast reactions being employed over and over again. What a sight! I don’t even need to mention Ashes 2005, perhaps the greatest test series ever. Let’s see a 2020 tournament match that. Is it even possible?

The ICC has a plan, and they are planning on murdering test cricket. We will not see them stand up and say “ right, here is what we are going to do to bring test cricket back, we have a plan over the next 3 – 5 years to revive test cricket” All we hear about is future 2020 prospects and tournaments. I refuse to believe that nothing can be done to revive test cricket. They want it gone and they are doing everything they can to kill it, which in this case is nothing.

One World
August 9, 2010, 02:27 AM
2-tier is the answer, come vote in my poll at International section.

Hrithik
August 9, 2010, 02:39 AM
See my thread on this & vote :

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=33582

tell what you think of it

BANFAN
August 9, 2010, 04:17 AM
Test cricket was always like this, Hritik, I think you are over reacting. There were more boring/one sided pitches in earlier day. May be your 20/20 mind isn't loving test cricket in current form. You can't get your old wife look/feel like a teen ager, no matter how much makeover you do. you must love her for reasons that a teenager doesn't have. I just don't want any tampering with the basics of test cricket. Let the home team chose what pitch they want to face an opponent.

2 Tire is not the answer, 4 day test isn't the answer, Day/Ni could be a partial answer to get the people coming in the evening, wider use of technology could be a partial answer, Best answer is to produce quality players, spectators will automatically come, and T20/ODi is contributing to that largely. You shouldn;t try to make test cricket look like T20. (All IMO) Relax man, it's not a murder, it's just let the Test cricket live like it was, without makeovers.

shakibrulz
August 9, 2010, 05:12 AM
Test cricket was always like this, Hritik, I think you are over reacting. There were more boring/one sided pitches in earlier day. May be your 20/20 mind isn't loving test cricket in current form. You can't get your old wife look/feel like a teen ager, no matter how much makeover you do. you must love her for reasons that a teenager doesn't have. I just don't want any tampering with the basics of test cricket. Let the home team chose what pitch they want to face an opponent.

2 Tire is not the answer, 4 day test isn't the answer, Day/Ni could be a partial answer to get the people coming in the evening, wider use of technology could be a partial answer, Best answer is to produce quality players, spectators will automatically come, and T20/ODi is contributing to that largely. You shouldn;t try to make test cricket look like T20. (All IMO) Relax man, it's not a murder, it's just let the Test cricket live like it was, without makeovers.

Spot on.

Hrithik
August 9, 2010, 07:01 AM
But a well organised Test/FC calender is needed and it should be easy for the viewers to understand the points table, unlike the present one.

The minnows should also be included in the Test sphere through a world test championship.

lamisa
August 9, 2010, 09:44 AM
i think hritik has been watching the india vs srilanka test series during the entire day!

Neel Here
August 9, 2010, 09:47 AM
^^ watched the second test and missed the third one !

Hrithik
August 9, 2010, 09:50 AM
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al Furqaan
August 9, 2010, 10:02 AM
2-tier is the answer, come vote in my poll at International section.

1) 2-tier per se is not the answer

and

2) a veritable 2-tier system has been in place for the past 4-5 years



i firmly believe that more countries need to be playing more tests. if this means "cheapening" test cricket, so be it. cricket has to realize that its not football and that there aren't 10-20 teams who can all aspire to be world champions, or say that they were one time champs.

furthermore, the idea of weak teams cheapening the competition is not talked about in other sports, why should cricket be any different?

i think Ireland and Afghanistan should be fast-tracked to Test status no later than 5 years or so from now. ideally, the Irish are ready now - if they get Morgan and others back, and the Afghans are not far behind.

as for the "cheapening effect" of adding two more rank minnows along with Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, West Indies, New Zealand, and possibly Pakistan and Sri Lanka (in away matches)...one of two things needs to happen.

firstly, we can keep the system of bilateral tours, and just let nature do its thing. India, Australia, England, and South Africa will play each other 30 times each decade, and play the handful of matches with the lower ranked 8 sides. this isn't a terrible idea, although the question of dead pitches and dwindling interest will still remain.

secondly, we can forget about the bilateral tours and start a league system, many versions of which have been floated by cricket fans over the past few years.

either way, i care only about whats good for Bangladeshi cricket, and by extension that means cricket as a whole, so long as Bangladesh gets to benefit as well.

I see nothing wrong with playing a couple of series agains the top sides, and spending most of the rest of the time playing the other weaklings of test cricket. as long as we continue improving, we'll be fine. already the recognition of BD moving up is taking place ("pakistan collapse like bangladesh of old").

Hrithik
August 9, 2010, 10:11 AM
what do you think of my world test championship proposal see my thread on it ?
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MohammedC
August 9, 2010, 10:17 AM
Guys how far is Hemayatpur from Banglacricket.com?

Habib
August 9, 2010, 10:22 AM
Guys how far is Hemayatpur from Banglacricket.com?

As far as the gym & his room.

wiseshah
August 9, 2010, 12:40 PM
Take away pakistan"s test status

Habib
August 9, 2010, 12:44 PM
Take away pakistan"s test status

As much as I would like to say that too wiseshah bro, it's also true that they've beaten Australia not long ago in a test with this inexperienced team which we can only dream of. So your demand is not justified.

meazz1
August 9, 2010, 04:42 PM
Test cricket was always like this, Hritik, I think you are over reacting. There were more boring/one sided pitches in earlier day. May be your 20/20 mind isn't loving test cricket in current form. You can't get your old wife look/feel like a teen ager, no matter how much makeover you do. you must love her for reasons that a teenager doesn't have. I just don't want any tampering with the basics of test cricket. Let the home team chose what pitch they want to face an opponent.

2 Tire is not the answer, 4 day test isn't the answer, Day/Ni could be a partial answer to get the people coming in the evening, wider use of technology could be a partial answer, Best answer is to produce quality players, spectators will automatically come, and T20/ODi is contributing to that largely. You shouldn;t try to make test cricket look like T20. (All IMO) Relax man, it's not a murder, it's just let the Test cricket live like it was, without makeovers.

Very constructive thoughts. No argument from me.

al Furqaan
August 9, 2010, 06:17 PM
what do you think of my world test championship proposal see my thread on it ?
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if relegation is involved, im not for it. there should only be promotion. relegation should only happen in the rarest and most dire situations.

One World
August 9, 2010, 08:02 PM
Good post AF, but here are some bright side for a 2-tier approach.

There are some pros and cons of making Test matches 2-tier.

Pros:
Highly competitive matches among close opponents in strength.
More result-oriented test matches, will increase the interest and pull more spectators
Teams will feel competitive and ready once they reach the upper level
The scheduling would be lot easier when number of matches will increase and still players will have ample time to adjust their work life and rest days
BD has better chance to make it, look at U-19 team, we always win the plate.


Whether it is always debatable but for the sake of Test cricket and to eliminate such threads with keywords like Murder, the build up of longer version as an interesting thing to follow among the new generation of fans something needs to be done and immediate solution is a necessity as a lot of time has already been wasted.

habfreak
August 9, 2010, 08:09 PM
As far as the gym & his room.
I don't understand this unnecessary personal attack. L-)

BC is full of one line posts these days that require little thinking from both the author and the reader. Agree or disagree, Hrithik made a valid point with good supporting arguments and it did not deserve such ridicule. I don't even think you read his entire post. classless!

Ajfar
August 9, 2010, 09:58 PM
Take away pakistan"s test status

oh ya sure make the number 1 bowling side in the world sit out from test cricket
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22Yards
August 9, 2010, 10:21 PM
Test Cricket may die out but that won't be due to ICC. That be due to the change in taste and us viewers. The question on hand is if or should the ICC can do anything to save it ? I think they can do very little since cricket or any form of game is considered as entertainment and its obvious they'll show what we want to see. The pitch is a factor and i think is the prime factor should test cricket be ever ruled out at all. And when you are talking reviving subcontinental pitches and making them bowler friendly so that there is a balance, i think we are talking huge huge amounts of money the proper distribution of which is a bit far fetched due to the corrupted boards and governing bodies we have here in the subcontinent.

al Furqaan
August 9, 2010, 11:21 PM
Good post AF, but here are some bright side for a 2-tier approach.

There are some pros and cons of making Test matches 2-tier.

Pros:
Highly competitive matches among close opponents in strength.
More result-oriented test matches, will increase the interest and pull more spectators
Teams will feel competitive and ready once they reach the upper level
The scheduling would be lot easier when number of matches will increase and still players will have ample time to adjust their work life and rest days
BD has better chance to make it, look at U-19 team, we always win the plate.


Whether it is always debatable but for the sake of Test cricket and to eliminate such threads with keywords like Murder, the build up of longer version as an interesting thing to follow among the new generation of fans something needs to be done and immediate solution is a necessity as a lot of time has already been wasted.

if the 2nd tier has official Test status, sure. if it also means there will be matches between members of different tiers, sure.

otherwise we will get what we are getting now. India refuses to play Pakistan for political reasons. now they can add that pakistan bat worse than minnows. India refuses to host BD or ZIM. WI are minnows too so they won't get to tour anytime soon. fine. that leaves just england, australia, south africa, and NZ and SL to play. when the other countries are busy, u get 15 series of India and SL.

that can't be good for cricket.
otherwise, i think its just a giant step backwards.

Hrithik
August 10, 2010, 01:56 AM
Test cricket has a history of 133 years if it dies out it will take cricket with it.If anything has to die it should be the 100 ovs ODI which lasts for 8 hours too much time consuming.The success & money of IPL has ensured T20 is here to stay.

As for the relegation system i say to al furqaan that we will add two nations to the major league after the first season then start the relegation of bottom two from the next season.

Eg.Ban & Ire gets promoted first season.Then WI,Ire gets relegated the next season

or else you can think of a playoff system

BANFAN
August 10, 2010, 02:53 AM
Test cricket has a history of 133 years if it dies out it will take cricket with it.If anything has to die it should be the 100 ovs ODI which lasts for 8 hours too much time consuming.The success & money of IPL has ensured T20 is here to stay.

As for the relegation system i say to al furqaan that we will add two nations to the major league after the first season then start the relegation of bottom two from the next season.

Eg.Ban & Ire gets promoted first season.Then WI,Ire gets relegated the next season

or else you can think of a playoff system

Tier system without relegation & promotion is completely meaning less. That's the dilema of implementing it, since some permanent members will not accept it. Someday you might find Ind and Aus in 2nd tier. At least it's possible theoretically. That's the scary part for all. If WI can be what they are today, anything is possible.

shakibrulz
August 10, 2010, 02:58 AM
I bet this tier system and crap is not the solution for test cricket's survival. Just play in good sporty pitches and play lest crap20. Organize more matches @ England, Aussies etc.

And just because someone feel 50 overs ODI is boring, ICC should shorten it to 40 overs? LMAO.

Middle overs (15-35) overs are crucial in the ODIs. You can't just shorten that part. That part is what tests the batsman's temperament, and playing an anchor innings.

Cricket ignorants can stick with T20s, no more 'improvements' to the existing formats, pretty please. They've already killed ODI & Tests by introducing crap20.

Hrithik
August 10, 2010, 06:19 AM
I bet this tier system and crap is not the solution for test cricket's survival. Just play in good sporty pitches and play lest crap20. Organize more matches @ England, Aussies etc.

And just because someone feel 50 overs ODI is boring, ICC should shorten it to 40 overs? LMAO.

Middle overs (15-35) overs are crucial in the ODIs. You can't just shorten that part. That part is what tests the batsman's temperament, and playing an anchor innings.

Cricket ignorants can stick with T20s, no more 'improvements' to the existing formats, pretty please. They've already killed ODI & Tests by introducing crap20.

How can you remove T20 after the phenomenon called IPL ? It has become the biggest bread earner of cricket.I agree that it should be played less than at the international level.

Once something is done you cannot reverse it,you have to think what now or next.

I enjoyed watching odis till the 2007 ICC world cup , the long & rain interupted matches made it really boring.Now i enjoy watching only the first 8 matches of KKR.

As for relegation i say if a team like WI is relegated it will only motivate them to come back strong.

Raynman
August 10, 2010, 11:55 AM
Whatever the format of your choosing, the following fact is undeniable:

Test cricket cannot survive purely because of finances without the existance of ODI adn T20. Note that those two weren't created to kill Test cricket but simply evolved because of the dire situation Test cricket is/was financially. So in order to keep Test cricket alive, funding is required and that will come from the limited formats.

Having said that, the decision for ICC is really on whether to keep Test cricket as an 'elite' match for selected nations (which it has been from inception) or one of the tools for global growth. If its the first then initially nothing much will change and eventually the laws of profit will kill Test cricket in WI and then work itself up ZIM, NZ, PAK, BD until Test is nothing more than an annual Ashes campaign.

Growth doesn't make much sense in this format barring the inclusion of IRE and maybe one or two more (KEN, AFG) as countries will most likely not invest in the infrastructure required to play Tests.

The only logical solution I see is to create a championship over a short time period (no more than 4 years) where every team has a fair chance of advancing. Bi lateral series without a purpose shoudl be abolished from the ICC calendar and handled by the boards on their own without disrupting the ICC schedule.

The growth focus should be with T20 via olympics and drawn out qualification zones for the world cup every two years.

Beamer
August 10, 2010, 12:10 PM
Yup ! Like it or not, without ODI's and now T20's, test cricket can't survive.

hmmm
August 10, 2010, 03:50 PM
Take away pakistan"s test status

Bangladesh has better chance of losing it.

One World
August 10, 2010, 09:20 PM
if the 2nd tier has official Test status, sure. if it also means there will be matches between members of different tiers, sure.

otherwise we will get what we are getting now. India refuses to play Pakistan for political reasons. now they can add that pakistan bat worse than minnows. India refuses to host BD or ZIM. WI are minnows too so they won't get to tour anytime soon. fine. that leaves just england, australia, south africa, and NZ and SL to play. when the other countries are busy, u get 15 series of India and SL.

that can't be good for cricket.
otherwise, i think its just a giant step backwards.

It does not make sense if there is a tier without any sort of relegation process. I do not think PAK, WI, NZ or even Lanka will agree on a tier like that. Now if they offer a 8 team tier and fix it this is when we lose like the above scenario. I say 2-tier with 5-6teams in each, and if you see my post all these pros are depending on that one norm. Relegation is a must.

Hrithik
August 10, 2010, 11:35 PM
Whatever the format of your choosing, the following fact is undeniable:

Test cricket cannot survive purely because of finances without the existance of ODI adn T20. Note that those two weren't created to kill Test cricket but simply evolved because of the dire situation Test cricket is/was financially. So in order to keep Test cricket alive, funding is required and that will come from the limited formats.

Having said that, the decision for ICC is really on whether to keep Test cricket as an 'elite' match for selected nations (which it has been from inception) or one of the tools for global growth. If its the first then initially nothing much will change and eventually the laws of profit will kill Test cricket in WI and then work itself up ZIM, NZ, PAK, BD until Test is nothing more than an annual Ashes campaign.

Growth doesn't make much sense in this format barring the inclusion of IRE and maybe one or two more (KEN, AFG) as countries will most likely not invest in the infrastructure required to play Tests.

The only logical solution I see is to create a championship over a short time period (no more than 4 years) where every team has a fair chance of advancing. Bi lateral series without a purpose shoudl be abolished from the ICC calendar and handled by the boards on their own without disrupting the ICC schedule.

The growth focus should be with T20 via olympics and drawn out qualification zones for the world cup every two years.

I say we should focus entirely on Test cricket at the international level and restrict T20s to WT20 once in 2 years & domestic T20 leagues and get rid of that boring 50 ovs ODIs.This will remove both the overkill and boredom and save the real cricket.What do you say ?

It does not make sense if there is a tier without any sort of relegation process. I do not think PAK, WI, NZ or even Lanka will agree on a tier like that. Now if they offer a 8 team tier and fix it this is when we lose like the above scenario. I say 2-tier with 5-6teams in each, and if you see my post all these pros are depending on that one norm. Relegation is a must.

12 Teams in the first tier 2 grps of six

Ex :

Gr A
England
Australia
India
Pakistan
Zimbabwe
Canada

Gr B
New Zealand
Sri Lanka
WI
South Africa
Bangladesh
Ireland

Top 2 of each group into semis then finals and

The last team of each group gets relegated and replaced by new team.What do you think ?

Raynman
August 11, 2010, 10:27 AM
My personal preference:

TEST

1. Give IRE status and maybe one other nation
2. Keep Test cricket restricted after that and abandon the idea of growth of this format
3. Have a championship that spans 2 to 3 years
4. All matches outside of the championship will be at the will of the boards and not an official part of the ICC calendar. They will have to be worked around official ICC and other high profile domestic tournaments
5. A championship will give the format more meaning and a reduction of matches outside the championship will reduce injuries, reduce pointless games and allow the players to earn their money in lucrative tournaments (afterall this is their profession).


ODI

1. Retain the 4 year world cup as the flagship event
2. Keep the 2011 format of 14 teams to QF, SF, F
3. Reduce the tournament length by playing multiple 1st round games on the same day

T20

1. Look for this as growth to Olympics and a 2 year world cup with qualifiations for all except host country
2. 3 zonal tournaments for qualification. Zone containing host gets one reduced slot so host can play as well
3. ZONE ASIA : Ind, Pak, SL, BD, Afg, UAE, China etc. / ZONE North : ENG, WI, IRE, SCO, NED, USA etc. / ZONE SOUTH : AUS, NZ, SA, ZIM, KEN etc.
4. Each zone gets 5 direct qualifiers and the 6th position teams play each other for the final and 16th slot
5. WC is 4 groups of 4 with QF, SF and F

Raynman
August 11, 2010, 10:34 AM
I would also like to see BD and ZIM partner up to create an annual ODI and T20 4 team tournament. One will host the T20 and one will host the ODI and reverse the following year. It will be ZIM , BD plus two other invited teams. This will give both the teams a chance to play and entice bigger nations to come and tour as the bi lateral series' are difficult to score for BD and ZIM. Plus both countries have a good fanbase to fill stadiums where the non home team is playing. In time this would become a prestigiuos tournament on the calendar that the other teams would become more and more willing to play.

Hrithik
August 11, 2010, 11:38 AM
I feel we should do away with the fifty ovs odi for good

have the world test championship where each team will have to play 12-15 tests every year as per my thread on it

restrict t20 to wt20 olympic asiad ipl and remove all other unnecessary matches and tourneys

this will help viewers to focus on test cricket the real cricket and t20 for the entertaiment crowd and remove the garbage called odi

what do you say ?
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Raynman
August 11, 2010, 11:53 AM
I feel we should do away with the fifty ovs odi for good

have the world test championship where each team will have to play 12-15 tests every year as per my thread on it

restrict t20 to wt20 olympic asiad ipl and remove all other unnecessary matches and tourneys

this will help viewers to focus on test cricket the real cricket and t20 for the entertaiment crowd and remove the garbage called odi

what do you say ?
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12 tests a year is 12x5=60 + minimum 3 days break between each test = 36 + travel + warm up matches. When do you expect these players to be able to play in the domestics or be able to make their earning through the various T20 tournaments? Players will be injured and fatigued left and right with all those that have T20 earning potentials retiring from Test cricket instantly.

Hrithik
August 11, 2010, 11:30 PM
Ok this is the actual calculation including travelling & practise matches

5 test series - 2 months
4 test series - 1.5 months
3 test series - 1 month

12 tests per year max. 4.5 months thus 7.5 months left to play other tourneys

If we do away with the boring garbage odi format & cut out unnecessary t20s it will create a space of atleast 3-4 months

what do you say ?

lamisa
August 12, 2010, 04:52 AM
u think that odi is boring and test is not?

Hrithik
August 12, 2010, 05:19 AM
Test cricket is The Real Cricket and cricket's trademark as it was the first form of the game.It has been played for 133 years compared to 40 years of odi.Test cricket is still there because it's class. It's the ultimate test of temperament, concentration, patience, technique, and captaincy. This is the most important point of saving Tests.

Are you getting it ?

Odi is 8 hrs 100 ovs a day and test 6.5 hrs 90 ovs a day so which is more short ?

shakibrulz
August 12, 2010, 06:02 AM
How can you remove T20 after the phenomenon called IPL ? It has become the biggest bread earner of cricket.I agree that it should be played less than at the international level.
When did I ask to remove em? I just said so called 'innovation' ala T20 made the situation this worse. Enough is enough.

Once something is done you cannot reverse it,you have to think what now or next.

EXACTLY MY POINT. I think you should think the same before bitchin about all these anti ODI crap. Stop contradicting yourselves, mate.

I enjoyed watching odis till the 2007 ICC world cup , the long & rain interupted matches made it really boring.Now i enjoy watching only the first 8 matches of KKR.
As for relegation i say if a team like WI is relegated it will only motivate them to come back strong.

Ah, so the point is, you got bored with ODIs, you want us to agree with you, and also ICC to change the whole system? That makes an awful LOT of sense.

I still love watching ODI cricket, especially the ones in England are a treat with great commentary + awesome pitches. The whole England vs Aussie series, and the Eng vs BD matches to name a few, were damn exciting. So what's your point, exactly?

shakibrulz
August 12, 2010, 06:07 AM
Test cricket is The Real Cricket and cricket's trademark as it was the first form of the game.It has been played for 133 years compared to 40 years of odi.This is the most important point of saving Tests.It's history not the entertainment.

Are you getting it ?

Odi is 8 hrs 100 ovs a day and test 6.5 hrs 90 ovs a day so which is more short ?

No, I really ain't mate.

Who says that the first form should be preserved?

And if ODI's were 100+ years old you would argue for it too? Wow.

I perfectly understand your mindset, for heavens sake, stick with T20s. Test cricket is still there because it's class, not just because they played it some 100 years back. It's the ultimate test of temperament, concentration, patience, technique, and captaincy. Unlike the crap20s in which any tom dick and harry can fluke through.

About ODI cricket, 50 overs is Ideal, that is what separates sloggers from genuine batsmen and dart bowlers from good ones. Got it?

Hrithik
August 12, 2010, 06:43 AM
Ok let me get this straight.

ODIs is 8 hours long,too much time consuming and boring even when aus vs pak.T20 is just 3 hours suitable to watch whether on TV or in the stadium though it's not the real cricket but good entertainmemt and it's here to stay.

ODis may be ideal test for a player but it's boredom for the audience and not good for cricket's future.

Please tell me why WI vs SA odis ran in empty stadiums and the domestic odi tourneys run in emty houses unlike IPL ? If you can satify me with the answer i will say odi is not boring.

Test cricket is still there because it's class, not just because they played it some 100 years back. It's the ultimate test of temperament, concentration, patience, technique, and captaincy. Unlike the crap20s in which any tom dick and harry can fluke through.That's why i said it's The Real Cricket and cricket's trademark .

I think the same as you on this alongwith history.

shakibrulz
August 12, 2010, 09:20 AM
Ok let me get this straight.

ODIs is 8 hours long,too much time consuming and boring even when aus vs pak.T20 is just 3 hours suitable to watch whether on TV or in the stadium though it's not the real cricket but good entertainmemt and it's here to stay.

That is YOUR OPINION. Why should we agree with you? Aus vs Pak was boring? Please stick with T20, and leave us alone.

ODis may be ideal test for a player but it's boredom for the audience and not good for cricket's future.
So is test cricket for cricket ignorants. They can just ignore ODIs and stick to the damn T20s. ODIs and Test is a whole different ball game.


Please tell me why WI vs SA odis ran in empty stadiums and the domestic odi tourneys run in emty houses unlike IPL ? If you can satify me with the answer i will say odi is not boring.

Because WI venues suck now? Did the T20 world cup in WI take place in packed houses? Why not? Stop bitching mate. You don't have a point. /:)

Even england vs Bangladesh ODI had reasonably good crowds.


And oh, by the way, I'd rather die than watching sloggers like afridi dominating the limited overs scenario. T20 is crass entertainment for ODI haters like you. Please be content with it. And leave us, poor ODI lovers, alone.

Hrithik
August 12, 2010, 10:09 AM
let me remove this misunderstanding i am not against test cricket i am against the 8 hrs length of odis i am not against t20 just bcoz of ipl

ok answer me why ecb and cricket australia are trialling with pro40 and split innings one dayers if 50 ovs was not boring and unsuccessful format ?

you cant change the truth mate and you dont have a proper answer

you also cant give an anwer to why there are no crowds for domestic 50ovs tourneys give up on this lengthy boring soon to die format mate
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shakibrulz
August 12, 2010, 10:25 PM
let me remove this misunderstanding i am not against test cricket i am against the 8 hrs length of odis i am not against t20 just bcoz of ipl

ok answer me why ecb and cricket australia are trialling with pro40 and split innings one dayers if 50 ovs was not boring and unsuccessful format ?
They think that might work on domestic level, so they proceed with it. Why did they introduce T20? To dumb down cricket innit? For the same reason, and I don't think the Pro40 and stuff is gonna do more harm than good.


you cant change the truth mate and you dont have a proper answer
LOL you don't even have a proper point to raise questions here. Your point is basically 'whatever I find interesting should be implemented by ICC.'

you also cant give an anwer to why there are no crowds for domestic 50ovs tourneys give up on this lengthy boring soon to die format mate
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Oh so domestic T20s and stuff get large crowds? Let's leave IPL alone, take any other ones, say, Australian Sheffield Shield T20s. They almost get the same crowd for Ford Ranger cup (ODI domestic season) too.

So stop generalizing like that with whatever little you know.

Hrithik
August 12, 2010, 11:03 PM
Ya only the T20 tourneys get some crowd eg. FPt20,IPL,KFC T20 Bash,Stanford T20,MTN T20.

Deodhar Trophy & other odi tourneys runs in empty houses.

BANFAN
August 14, 2010, 01:56 AM
u think that odi is boring and test is not?

Vital question un answered.

If ODI is boring for being 8 hours bla bla.. , Test cricket should be 500% boring .. 5 days x 8 hours ... ;)

Hrithik, Originally ODI used to be played 40 overs, later it was taken to 50 overs. Experimenting does not mean, it has been accepted. You don't take decisions before the experiments. So wait for the time to know what their findings are and then speculate what might come up.

Hrithik
August 14, 2010, 02:50 AM
i answered the question five or six times plzz read

BANFAN
August 14, 2010, 05:01 AM
Test cricket is The Real Cricket and cricket's trademark as it was the first form of the game.It has been played for 133 years compared to 40 years of odi.Test cricket is still there because it's class. It's the ultimate test of temperament, concentration, patience, technique, and captaincy. This is the most important point of saving Tests.

Are you getting it ?

Odi is 8 hrs 100 ovs a day and test 6.5 hrs 90 ovs a day so which is more short ?

The only difference I can see is in the last sentence and if I go by the last question, which is more short? Obviously 90 is shorter than 100 overs, again I have to go back to your first paragraph, It's the ultimate test of temperament, concentration, patience, technique, and captaincy. This is the most important point] that only means on a daily basis, the ODI tests all these things more exaustively than Test cricket, since it is longer, right? so What's the complain?

On every given day of cricket, if you compare a day of test cricket and a day of ODI, the later should attract you more if you really like those aspects of the game you mentioned. But But, if it is just that Test cricket is being played for a long time, so you keep them ahead of ODI, then ODI should be kept ahead of T20 by the same logic.

If we now go back to your original topic, "Test Cricket Has been Murdered" ? I find ODI being Murdered by you. ODI had the same craze like T20 or even much more when it first came, but with like and with introduction of T20 some people's hunger have been met by T20 alone, so you can see less expectators in ODI than before. But surely, when the T20 Craze will settle down, you will find more people in ODi and tests again.

Everyone don't enjoy everything in the same way

Hrithik
August 14, 2010, 06:51 AM
sorry mate that will never happen

tests allow viewers to choose what they will watch partwise

ashes is more popular than any odi tourney

and you forgot the history part 133 years

day night odis are like handicap matches with floodlights and tiredness of the team batting second

if odis finish it will be good for cricket