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Neel Here
September 3, 2010, 08:03 AM
klusener is not coming, caddick and prasad have taken up other commitments, colin croft's application has been rejected by BCB. seems like they are running out of ideas.

can BCites think of a good candidate ? it doesn't have to be a famous player from yesteryears, it could be a county bowling coach who is doing well or one from the australian domestics.
but please no fantasy candidates like akram, we all know that's very unlikely.

let me give this a shot.

fannie devilliers
chaminda vaas (since he has no realistic chance of making it to SL national side)

Nadim
September 3, 2010, 08:23 AM
hahha! BOWLED hoye gelen Neel here bhai.

wrong section to open this thread.

btw i think G. McGrath can be decent option?

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Neel Here
September 3, 2010, 08:26 AM
I think I opened it in the correct section ! mod bhai ra pagol hoia gese !

apologies to the almighty mods if I'm wrong.

edit: praised be the mod who moved it again to its rightful place. :notworthy:

nadim bhai, I think pigeon is too busy with his anti-cancer drive to take up a long term commitment. he is probably looking at a high return but low time investment option like IPL. how about gillespie or mcdermott though ? do they have any coaching exp ?

Tiger Manc
September 3, 2010, 08:42 AM
I would prefer any of the west indian legends or donald or pollock but i can't see that happening, so any of the west indians.

roman
September 3, 2010, 08:49 AM
#1 Shaun Pollock
#2 Dougie Brown
#3 Aqib Javed
#4 Chaminda Vaas

I would love to see Wasim Akram to be our bowling coach but I doubt that will be possible.

shakibrulz
September 3, 2010, 09:42 AM
#1 Shaun Pollock
#2 Dougie Brown
#3 Aqib Javed
#4 Chaminda Vaas

I would love to see Wasim Akram to be our bowling coach but I doubt that will be possible.

Safe to keep match fixers away from the team.. Just sayin' :D

shakibrulz
September 3, 2010, 09:45 AM
How about Alan Donald & Jason Gillespie? Alan donald specially seems like a realistic choice to me.

Plus kumble/Murali as bowling advisor for the W'cup.

Neel Here
September 3, 2010, 09:48 AM
donald is coaching a zim club side. aqib javed is asst coach of pakistan.

please do some cursory search about the candidate's current commitments before proposing their name.

Nadim
September 3, 2010, 10:13 AM
I think I opened it in the correct section ! mod bhai ra pagol hoia gese !

apologies to the almighty mods if I'm wrong.

edit: praised be the mod who moved it again to its rightful place. :notworthy:

nadim bhai, I think pigeon is too busy with his anti-cancer drive to take up a long term commitment. he is probably looking at a high return but low time investment option like IPL. how about gillespie or mcdermott though ? do they have any coaching exp ?

J. Gillespie is coaching a Zimbabwe FC side. (joined recently) and don't know about Mcdermott.

shakibrulz
September 3, 2010, 10:49 AM
donald is coaching a zim club side. aqib javed is asst coach of pakistan.

please do some cursory search about the candidate's current commitments before proposing their name.

LOL I did read that. That's exactly why I think he might be interested in coaching BD. If I ain't wrong he must not have signed some long term strict contract, he may prolly be able to skip that if offered something better. :)

Ajfar
September 3, 2010, 12:40 PM
Coaching a test nation is a big deal. Most of the new coach like to start somewhere small. Look at gillespie and donald I believe this is their first assingment they are starting small and probably looking to go big as they go down the line. We cant just get someone just because he was a great player. I see people have Vaas on their list. Doea anyone know if he has a coachimg certificate yet?
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_Rafi_
September 3, 2010, 12:52 PM
Back up choices for BCB-
Siddons's dosto
Chacha

_Rafi_
September 3, 2010, 01:00 PM
What is Goughie doing nowadays?
What about Fleming(aus)?
Or 007?
The great C.Ambrosh or his mate Walsh?

Neel Here
September 3, 2010, 01:31 PM
walsh is in WICB politics.

FagunerAgun
September 3, 2010, 04:58 PM
BCB is wasting time. While selecting a foreign one, just appoint M. Rafiq as an acting bowling coach, and a homegrown retired pacer as an acting assistant bowling coach.

Sovik
September 3, 2010, 05:27 PM
Collin Croft would have been able to teach a thing or two. Can't believe he was rejected. Alan Donald is looking for a full time coaching role

roman
September 3, 2010, 05:50 PM
BCB is wasting time. While selecting a foreign one, just appoint M. Rafiq as an acting bowling coach, and a homegrown retired pacer as an acting assistant bowling coach.
I think BCB appointed Salauddin as a Spin bowling coach. So no need to get Rafiq atm. Fountain is teaching a thing or two to the pacers but dont really know how effective that will be..

ashraful1
September 3, 2010, 08:40 PM
Wot about me.

Zunaid
September 3, 2010, 08:53 PM
BCB is wasting time. While selecting a foreign one, just appoint M. Rafiq as an acting bowling coach, and a homegrown retired pacer as an acting assistant bowling coach.

We do not have a home grown retired pace. It would be like hiring a 7th grader to try teach a high-schooler. As it is, we have a preponderance of SLA's - we really need to hone our skills in the other forms of art with that piece of leather. Rafique could however teach the players some gumption.

One World
September 3, 2010, 09:12 PM
Russell's paradox.

MarufH
September 3, 2010, 10:24 PM
Mo. Rafique.

http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=34233

Shocky
September 3, 2010, 10:40 PM
hahha! BOWLED hoye gelen Neel here bhai.

wrong section to open this thread.

btw i think G. McGrath can be decent option?

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'good players are'nt good coach' and this is true...experience of coaching is must needed.
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Naimul_Hd
September 4, 2010, 12:16 AM
1. Phil Tufnell (England) ==> Slow left-arm orthodox
One of the best English spinners during 90s ! Currently he has been busy with TV/Radio Commentating.



2.Graham Ford (S.A) ==> Right Armed off spinner

In 1992 he became coach of Natal where he enjoyed the services of Malcolm Marshall, Clive Rice, Shaun Pollock, Jonty Rhodes and Lance Klusener. He led the province to victory in both the first class and one day trophies in 1996-97.

On 9 June 2007 he was offered the position of coach of the Indian cricket team, but two days later he declined the offer, citing "it was the right decision for me and my family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Ford

Nocturnal
September 4, 2010, 12:42 AM
Mohsin Kamal ..lol

Rabz
September 4, 2010, 01:58 AM
^^ chi chi Pasha bhai..apnar roja makhruh hoye gese... :D

mac
September 4, 2010, 02:17 AM
what about Darren Gough or Dion Nash?

Nocturnal
September 4, 2010, 02:48 AM
^^ chi chi Pasha bhai..apnar roja makhruh hoye gese... :D

I made sure I had iftar before typing that! I am Safe! LOL :)

Rabz
September 4, 2010, 04:48 AM
I made sure I had iftar before typing that! I am Safe! LOL :)

Tahole amader roja bashi hoye gelo oi betar naam mukhe niye...
dhurro miya...amader iftar ekhono 2.30 hrs baki ase...

_Rafi_
September 4, 2010, 07:40 AM
Legend like Grinidge was our coach.
One of the all time best coach of cricket also coached us. And now we are struggling to find a bowling coach despite we are more strong and wealthier than before. I lost some of my respect for Klusener.

wiseshah
September 4, 2010, 10:49 AM
my list

glenn mcgrath --guess too expensive
pollock
donald
fannie de villeiers
walsh
ambrose
bond
gough
Hoggard
gillespie
morrison
heath streak
chaminda vaas
damien fleming
shane warne

Neel Here
September 4, 2010, 12:37 PM
good luck getting warne to drop his IPL commitments.

seriously, expats in Eng and Aus, don't you follow local cricket ? please give us the names of some decent bowling coaches from the domestics.

roman
September 4, 2010, 01:26 PM
According to Janakantha the new bowling coach will be from SA or England. We might get a coach right after Eid....

Zeeshan
September 4, 2010, 04:05 PM
We have to appoint a good bowling coach since Klusener is not coming.

nahaz
September 4, 2010, 06:27 PM
Just get the NSW pace bowling coach..look at all the Australian pacers that played in this team...just match his NSW salary..throw in free rent and a few trips and he'd be way better than any Kluseners or Caddicks. You could also go with Victorian bowling coach or someone from Australian Institute of Sports (AIS)...

I know this guy who could tell me a few names as to who'd be good potential candidates for pace bowling coaches from Australia...but then, my opinion is uselesss and BCB would end up with Sarwar Imran till the World Cup. The guy I know knows Shujon bhai as well...Mr Christie was about to get selected for NSW as a fiery young pacer before an accident forced him out of contention at a state level...he still plays grade cricket..

But yes, BCB is hopeless so no point in anyone doinjg any work for them.

lamisa
September 5, 2010, 05:39 AM
yes,why can't they just hire a good bowling coach from the aus or eng domestic level?oh wait,i forgot!bcb doesn't have the time to go and look out for domestic level coaches.eto research,analysis korar time kar ase?

LBW103
September 5, 2010, 01:55 PM
international pace coach Ian Pont is the unknown name behind the success of Dale Steyn and others. he would be the most amazing appointment as he teaches speed and accuracy but don't know if the Tigers are prepared. He is the world's leading expert on fast bowling techniques and google search for fast bowling coach shows him at the top.

lamisa
September 6, 2010, 05:54 AM
well, i read in PA today that bcb is looking for coaches from SA,AUS AND Eng.

beshideshi
September 6, 2010, 06:17 AM
Just get the NSW pace bowling coach..look at all the Australian pacers that played in this team...just match his NSW salary..throw in free rent and a few trips and he'd be way better than any Kluseners or Caddicks. You could also go with Victorian bowling coach or someone from Australian Institute of Sports (AIS)...

I know this guy who could tell me a few names as to who'd be good potential candidates for pace bowling coaches from Australia...but then, my opinion is uselesss and BCB would end up with Sarwar Imran till the World Cup. The guy I know knows Shujon bhai as well...Mr Christie was about to get selected for NSW as a fiery young pacer before an accident forced him out of contention at a state level...he still plays grade cricket..

But yes, BCB is hopeless so no point in anyone doinjg any work for them.

Bro if BCB had such eagerness to go into domestic circuits of Aus/SA/Eng we would have had a decent bowling coach by now, instead we are[were] running after big names[yet unproven] like klusner, Caddick etc.
The thing with NSW/VIC/AIS coaches are, they will see the Bangladesh appointment as a step towards their Aus appointment and will be quite enthralled in my opinion. If only our board members had the willingness to look into this option, we would have been much better off.

zainab
September 6, 2010, 06:36 AM
According to Janakantha the new bowling coach will be from SA or England. We might get a coach right after Eid....


Wishful thinking. BCB is very slow to do anything constructive, IMO, it will not happen before the Kiwis arrive, Mash, Rasel and Shafiul are on their own with help from the fielding coach. Remember it wil take about a month for negotiations and conclusion.

samircreep
September 6, 2010, 08:49 AM
Colin Croft was turned down cos he didn't have coaching experience. WTF?? Does maradona need coaching experience?? O wait h sucked

Tiger Manc
September 6, 2010, 10:26 AM
Colin Croft is better than nothing.

al-Sagar
September 6, 2010, 11:03 AM
<img src="http://eprothomalo.com/contents/2010/2010_09_06/content_zoom/2010_09_06_18_0_b.jpg" width="721" height="653">

MohammedC
September 6, 2010, 11:37 AM
^^^ MMW at the end Siddons will bring in a bowling coach.

Tiger Manc
September 6, 2010, 12:25 PM
Translation please. At least a brief summary.

al-Sagar
September 6, 2010, 01:11 PM
Translation please. At least a brief summary.

klusener, caddick, prasad .... the names just comes in and then goes away, but nobody wants to be the BD bowling coach due to personal, financial or other reasons. so BCB is in big trouble. no officials can answer, whether they will be able to find or appoint a coach before the NZ series.

though it is hard to find the trouble when u look at the BD team training. in the absence of specialist bowling coach. both jamie and julien filling in the gaps. siddons said earlier he will give more time to bowlers and julien is attending the bowling nets whenever he gets time. and asst coach sujon is there too.

but though the presence of three, in reality the bowling practise isn't gathering real pace. because the time siddons or fontain is giving is not enough.

m alam robin said that siddons is helping a lot, julien is giving useful tips, but if there was a full timers then theye would have got help for all the time.

shahadat said that as no bowling coach they have nothing else to do except accepting help from other. but if there was a regular bowling coach that would have been better

but mashrafe doesnt see too much difference with no bowling coach. he said that siddons is showing a lot of things, julein working on some techniques of slower delivery and variation. this will help the bowlers in executing variation more accurately which bd bowlers ar not good at.

mashrafe is also happy with siddons' performance. he said that siddons working on strengthening the basics of bowlers. he is not working on anything new but looking to strengthen a player on what he already got. like one who can swing he is training him to get better in swinging the ball. so mash is happy enough with bowling training without a bowling coach.
or aus
BUT how long with these "GUEST APPEARANCES" ??? even soumendro saha, the psychologist has started working in full pace. the only missing piece is a bowling coach.

but BCB cant give any hope of getting a bowling coach. they say moy be not before NZ series but during NZ series they expect a bowling coach. but they are not ready to give any names after the klusener incident. they only say the coach will be from SA, eng

One World
September 6, 2010, 01:18 PM
I think the salary and facilities sound insufficient for lot many coaches to come far east and train.

Equinox
September 6, 2010, 03:29 PM
I think the salary and facilities sound insufficient for lot many coaches to come far east and train.
Well Klusener accepted what was being offered to him. Just couldn't convince him wife to come along.

Ajfar
September 6, 2010, 03:42 PM
Well Klusener accepted what was being offered to him. Just couldn't convince him wife to come along.

Klusner was asking for too much to begin with and out board was stupid enough to meet his demand. I think all in all it was good that he didn't come, I had a feeling it was a disaster waiting to happen. If we can afford to give klusner just about everything he wants, i'm sure we can afford someone who is a much better coach with a proven track record.

lamisa
September 7, 2010, 05:37 AM
^^^i think we will probably end up with siddons' south australian buddy...

roman
September 7, 2010, 08:46 AM
Klusner was asking for too much to begin with and out board was stupid enough to meet his demand. I think all in all it was good that he didn't come, I had a feeling it was a disaster waiting to happen. If we can afford to give klusner just about everything he wants, i'm sure we can afford someone who is a much better coach with a proven track record.
Exactly...$ 9,000.00/month is huge that too for a country like Bangladesh. That amount is very much competitive anywhere in the world, ei salary te ( or maybe less)valo coach na pabar kono karon nai...

roman
September 7, 2010, 08:48 AM
http://eprothomalo.com/contents/2010/2010_09_06/content_zoom/2010_09_06_18_0_b.jpg

Only Mashrafe talked with sense, the rest are just looking for excuse

LBW103
September 7, 2010, 03:14 PM
Exactly...$ 9,000.00/month is huge that too for a country like Bangladesh. That amount is very much competitive anywhere in the world, ei salary te ( or maybe less)valo coach na pabar kono karon nai...

$9,000 a month will not attract the very highest calibre coach. Most HEAD coaches (usually former batting coaches) work on $25-30,000 a month so it isn't unreasonable for support coaches to be on a 1/2 to 2/3rds of that.

If it is always about money the the Tigers will always find someone willing to take what they offer just to fill the vacancy, but will not be making a difference.

It would surely be better to pay top dollar and get the best pace & accuracy fast bowling coach available..... it's not enough to be 'competitive' in salary as Australia, SA, England, NZ and WI might all be more desirable places to live..

dark mage
September 7, 2010, 05:10 PM
Is the BCB filled with a bunch of morons? According to cricinfo, they rejected Colin Croft because of a lack of coaching experience. It really made me seethe with anger at their incompetency, since they seem to have forgotten that Klusener, who, they wanted so desperately was inexperienced too? And whatever Colin Croft lacked in experience, he would've more than compensated it with the huge amount of knowledge. He was one of the most fearful fast bowlers ever to grace the game and they dare to turn him down? Does this mean they will turn down Wasim Akram because he doesnt have a coaching certificate? .............. Retards.

lamisa
September 8, 2010, 02:29 AM
^^^didn't u know that they are a bunch of retards already?

LBW103
September 8, 2010, 07:48 AM
Is the BCB filled with a bunch of morons? According to cricinfo, they rejected Colin Croft because of a lack of coaching experience. It really made me seethe with anger at their incompetency, since they seem to have forgotten that Klusener, who, they wanted so desperately was inexperienced too? And whatever Colin Croft lacked in experience, he would've more than compensated it with the huge amount of knowledge. He was one of the most fearful fast bowlers ever to grace the game and they dare to turn him down? Does this mean they will turn down Wasim Akram because he doesnt have a coaching certificate? .............. Retards.

Coaching is not about how good you were as a player. Troy Cooley was not a Test player and is ranked in the top 3 in the world for coaching.

Having 'experience' as a player does not make you a great coach because you cannot give that 'experience' to someone else can you? Otherwise we could all learn from listening to stories and that is just not true.

Appoint the best coach for pace bowling you can find and they will do the job.. pay top dollar and they will come... that's the TRUTH