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Dilscoop
October 18, 2010, 12:50 AM
Bangladesh reap rewards of hard preparation

Bangladesh's success against New Zealand was a result of hard preparation, an improved support structure, and the resolve of coach Jamie Siddons and Shakib Al Hasan

After the disastrous defeat to Netherlands in July, even their inner circle started cold-shouldering the players. Bangladesh's coach Jamie Siddons then decided that the summer's frustration could only be blown off through plain old hard work, in the form of a camp that spanned a month and a half.

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Zeeshan
October 18, 2010, 12:58 AM
Isam bhai ei threadta khulle bhalo hoito....j/k.

Congrats Isam-da on your CI article. :)

Dilscoop
October 18, 2010, 01:04 AM
Mohammad Isam is a BC member? Opps. Lol, if he wants, I wont mind switching thread-opener spot with him, as it's only fair, and looks better that way. Plus it's a good moment for him. If I were him, I would be the one to share it with everyone.

So please Mods, if it's not too much to ask for?

shakibrulz
October 18, 2010, 01:05 AM
Good one :)

Mahmudullah, an allrounder, said the practice had a substantial impact on his batting, particularly on his role in the slog overs and the batting Powerplay. "I spent a lot of time practicing the lofted shots," he said. "I'm usually around when the batting Powerplay is on, so it's important that I can clear the in-field. This camp was so long that I could work on all aspects of my batting."

ROFL :floor:

shakibrulz
October 18, 2010, 01:06 AM
Mohammad Isam is a BC member?
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/member.php?u=10366

aniksh1
October 18, 2010, 01:08 AM
To riader lofted shot PP te dekhlam na to....

Zeeshan
October 18, 2010, 01:09 AM
yeah i lol-ed at that one too shakibrulz....btw, wth @ now Vettori crying... since when did cricket became such a sissy sport...

Zunaid
October 18, 2010, 01:15 AM
Good read.

Dilscoop
October 18, 2010, 01:15 AM
- you guys saw 4-0
- you guys saw Shafiul and Rubel bowl slower ball and yorkers, that did not take the game away from us this time around.
- "drop catches" thread took a break for a bit - you guys saw Razzak take a wild catch

you can't see everything all at once. Plus, you should take that 'lofted shot, PP batting failure' up with Siddions. That's his department. I thought you guys were pro-JS, you shouldn't laugh or question this

Isam
October 18, 2010, 01:15 AM
I thought it would be awesome to post the link here since you guys are really the best supporters of the Tigers.

This is my first piece on Cricinfo, by the way.

http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-new-zealand-2010/content/current/story/482305.html

Zunaid
October 18, 2010, 01:17 AM
Dilscoop beat you to it :)

Merged it here. As I said - great read and congrats!

Dilscoop
October 18, 2010, 01:19 AM
ah damn. we can't have him as the starter, can we? Sorry Islam

Isam
October 18, 2010, 01:25 AM
Yeah its cool...
Hope you guys liked the article but I know, since we won 4-0, the positives get more column space and the negatives are as you know, pushed back.
I truly hope that some of those bad sides don't come up and we keep on doing well steadily. But we must be vigilant and as always you'll be there to catch em whenever something goes wrong.

cricket_king
October 18, 2010, 01:34 AM
yeah i lol-ed at that one too shakibrulz....btw, wth @ now Vettori crying... since when did cricket became such a sissy sport...

"Sissy"? I'd rather the term "emotional".

BANFAN
October 18, 2010, 01:36 AM
Bangladesh reap rewards of hard preparation

Bangladesh's success against New Zealand was a result of hard preparation, an improved support structure, and the resolve of coach Jamie Siddons and Shakib Al Hasan

After the disastrous defeat to Netherlands in July, even their inner circle started cold-shouldering the players. Bangladesh's coach Jamie Siddons then decided that the summer's frustration could only be blown off through plain old hard work, in the form of a camp that spanned a month and a half.

Read Full (http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-new-zealand-2010/content/current/story/482305.html)

We at BC had been saying that for last 2-3 years, since the begining of this coach, when we found that this guy is on leave before the series and even joining a few days before the series. Now he takes credit of hard work before this series?

If he has learnt this lesson now, he needs to pay for spoiling our 2.5 years time and for his education. Instead, we tend to applaud him, for learning at our cost & delaying/denying the inevitable by 2.5 years.

M.H.Rubel
October 18, 2010, 01:37 AM
I thought it would be awesome to post the link here since you guys are really the best supporters of the Tigers.

This is my first piece on Cricinfo, by the way.

http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-new-zealand-2010/content/current/story/482305.html

Dear Islam first i congratulate you for your first article in cricinfo thanks for your nice article.You covered almost all the aspects about the win of this series.Your thoughts and contents were also good but the writing was not smooth reading.Wish you will improve on that side and wish you will be a good cricket journalist.
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Nocturnal
October 18, 2010, 01:40 AM
enjoy the article :)

Isam
October 18, 2010, 01:41 AM
Dear Islam first i congratulate you for your first article in cricinfo thanks for your nice article.You covered almost all the aspects about the win of this series.Your thoughts and contents were also good but the writing was not smooth reading.Wish you will improve on that side and wish you will be a good cricket journalist.
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thank you boss

Isam
October 18, 2010, 01:43 AM
We at BC had been saying that for last 2-3 years, since the begining of this coach, when we found that this guys is on leave before the series and even joining a few days before the series.

If he has learnt this lesson now, he needs to pay for spoiling our 2.5 years time and for his education. Instead, we tend to applaud him, for learning at our cost.

I think some of the times he went on holiday was because the BCB were never interested in holding a camp. I have been following the team for 5 years up close (including bowling in the nets and trying to get into it at times!!!)...and I've seen him work harder than other people.

It is surely a lesson learnt and I'm pretty much certain that Jamie would try to stay in Bangladesh and take care of training.

By the way, how many of you were in Mirpur yesterday? IT WAS CRAZY!!

Zunaid
October 18, 2010, 01:50 AM
BANFAN - you are starting to sound like a broken record. Each and every time your assertions have been invalidated by those who are right there. You've had Tamim's statments, you have reports from journalists who are right there on the ground like Isam above. Isn't it time to give this a rest or else actually show evidence to back up your accusations?

Naimul_Hd
October 18, 2010, 01:52 AM
Isam bro, great reading. Thanks for sharing.

Keep it up. :)

dolcevita
October 18, 2010, 02:00 AM
Still waiting for Mahmudullah's lofted shot...
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BANFAN
October 18, 2010, 02:23 AM
BANFAN - you are starting to sound like a broken record. Each and every time your assertions have been invalidated by those who are right there. You've had Tamim's statments, you have reports from journalists who are right there on the ground like Isam above. Isn't it time to give this a rest or else actually show evidence to back up your accusations?

Have I said something wrong here? This was regarding hard work paid off. Do we have an evidence that he wanted a longer camp and BCB didnt agree? Or BCB kept him on leave by force before the seires?

I haven't yet found any statement from Tamim, in this article, it was an opinion. And Having given the team rules of JS & his preached batting style, I don't see tamim developing in that line. He persued his style from pree JS era and he only perfected his way of playing.

In fact I haven't yet found a single evidence of JS contribution in batting. If Shakib and Tamim is JS contribution, have a look at JS's own statement about Shakib. It is clear that he is only trying to make a space along side others.

I know I am consistent in my attitude on JS and I only speak about him when he tries to bag undue credit. I'm sure you are on the other side so I don;t sound so sweet :)

Zunaid
October 18, 2010, 02:37 AM
I am not on the other side - I prefer evidences for any assertions...

al-Sagar
October 18, 2010, 02:41 AM
wonder article, thanks isam bhai

BANFAN
October 18, 2010, 04:25 AM
I am not on the other side - I prefer evidences for any assertions...

Are you happy with the batting performances of the team, except Shakib?

simon
October 18, 2010, 04:54 AM
Thanks and congratulations for yr first "piece of writing on Cricinfo" Isam bro.

Isam
October 18, 2010, 05:11 AM
Thanks and congratulations for yr first "piece of writing on Cricinfo" Isam bro.

thanks buddy!

Isam
October 18, 2010, 05:12 AM
To riader lofted shot PP te dekhlam na to....

khelbe khelbe...ekdin na ekdin to khelbei...tarpor hata dibe..(pavilion er dike) :P :P

lamisa
October 18, 2010, 06:08 AM
congratz iam bhai on ur first ever CI article!btw,i was there at the stadium yesterday!the game was soooooooooooooo,i don't know what to say!i did myself a few injuries yesterday at the stadium,lol!

riankhan
October 18, 2010, 06:11 AM
khelbe khelbe...ekdin na ekdin to khelbei...tarpor hata dibe..(pavilion er dike) :P :P

:lol:
He tried once in the last match, and was lucky enough to survive!

beshideshi
October 18, 2010, 06:17 AM
Great read Isam bhai, I really like the die-hard fan tone of the article. And as many said already, if you don't focus on positives after a 4-0 win against NZ, when will you?

Roni_uk
October 18, 2010, 06:56 AM
I thought it would be awesome to post the link here since you guys are really the best supporters of the Tigers.

This is my first piece on Cricinfo, by the way.

http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-new-zealand-2010/content/current/story/482305.html

brilliant article.. I also left a comment there.

MohammedC
October 18, 2010, 08:32 AM
Well done Mohammad "Dizzy" Isam. Very nice article.

al Furqaan
October 18, 2010, 08:46 AM
Yes a great read tho I haven't finished it yet :)

Btw, i have the same question as isam bhai... Why did it take so long to figure out the boys needed more time in the nets instead boot camps and sparring in the ring???

sadhat
October 18, 2010, 09:40 AM
To riader lofted shot PP te dekhlam na to....
I dont think he got chance to play PP, becuase we did not take the PP when he was batting. We reserve our PP for tail-enders.

Isam
October 18, 2010, 09:56 AM
Yes a great read tho I haven't finished it yet :)

Btw, i have the same question as isam bhai... Why did it take so long to figure out the boys needed more time in the nets instead boot camps and sparring in the ring???

Isn't that how this country runs? We only fix it when our backs are to the wall and after the July losses, players and BCB were under pressure from the public and media. Another thing is the time. Normally we don't see such a long break in international cricket so Tigers were lucky they got almost 2 months. I think previously they did these monthlong camps but it was just practice sessions and nothing more. Now they have so many specialists and the facilities in Mirpur are so good, its easy to give the boys more space and time in the nets.

betaar
October 18, 2010, 10:12 AM
Still waiting for Mahmudullah's lofted shot...

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Most of you missed the disclosure by Siddons. It's right there in the article, "There is no secret to my coaching," he said. "We worked on skills that we never even tried this time and the players'. So there.....Mahmudullah did practice that shot, just didn't implement it. ;)

Btw - great first article on Cricinfo Islam....hopefully you will occupy more space on Cricnfo due to BD's success.

betaar
October 18, 2010, 10:20 AM
(including bowling in the nets and trying to get into it at times!!!)


Pardon my lack of domestic knowledge but how are you trying to get in the team? Were you in the initial squad of 30? Or are you one of the upcoming players who had a chance to bowl to the national players. Either way, I'd consider myself lucky to bowl at any international player. Had that chance once in my life by bowling to Jayasuriya when he played for Mohameddan.

nasimul
October 18, 2010, 10:39 AM
Nice article, keep it up

makorsha
October 18, 2010, 10:59 AM
BANFAN - you are starting to sound like a broken record. Each and every time your assertions have been invalidated by those who are right there. You've had Tamim's statments, you have reports from journalists who are right there on the ground like Isam above. Isn't it time to give this a rest or else actually show evidence to back up your accusations?
:floor
diitto

copy it..
JS haters cant eat the humble pie...
sour puss:floor:

Isam
October 18, 2010, 01:34 PM
Pardon my lack of domestic knowledge but how are you trying to get in the team? Were you in the initial squad of 30? Or are you one of the upcoming players who had a chance to bowl to the national players. Either way, I'd consider myself lucky to bowl at any international player. Had that chance once in my life by bowling to Jayasuriya when he played for Mohameddan.

Nah nothing like that. I just played 1st division for the last 7 years and a season of Premier League. I got cut off from my club this year, well...I can't tell you why..at least not here!
But I used to bowl in the nets last year and have done so previously before I started journalism.

uss01
October 18, 2010, 01:52 PM
Well you are a great new journalist. I usually read the daily star few times a week and you're one of the best journalists they have in my opinion. I enjoyed the team previews you did on the NCL teams.

This cricinfo article you wrote was great as well, especially when you raised the issue on why it took them so long to figure the extended training session methods. I just hope the NCL and Dhaka club teams do the same. Unfortunately I don't think there is a concept of off-season in Bangladesh cricket - where team management looks in to player weaknesses, works on them and works on fitness, etc.


Nah nothing like that. I just played 1st division for the last 7 years and a season of Premier League. I got cut off from my club this year, well...I can't tell you why..at least not here!
But I used to bowl in the nets last year and have done so previously before I started journalism.

Beamer
October 18, 2010, 02:30 PM
Nice article Isam.

On a side note, the known cast of characters who are pathologically against Jamie as a person/coach, has reached a certain point of incurable derangement, which should be better off left alone. I mean, crazy people are better off alone, or with like minded souls in an asylum. I do have compassion for them and its needless to further needle them. I think the Fox News syndrome has set in, when they kept on bringing up the non-existent and debunked WMD 'proof's, even though sanity and evidence said otherwise.

Miraz
October 18, 2010, 03:12 PM
Nice read Isam.

bujhee kom
October 18, 2010, 03:16 PM
Salaam Dizzy bhai! Keep on keeping up your hard and great work! I am very proud of you that you are someone we know, that you are a BC dada bhai!

Haru-party
October 18, 2010, 03:37 PM
best article ever published in cricinfo :)

nobody
October 19, 2010, 01:47 AM
We at BC had been saying that for last 2-3 years, since the begining of this coach, when we found that this guy is on leave before the series and even joining a few days before the series. Now he takes credit of hard work before this series?

If he has learnt this lesson now, he needs to pay for spoiling our 2.5 years time and for his education. Instead, we tend to applaud him, for learning at our cost & delaying/denying the inevitable by 2.5 years.
Again he went to vacation. he did not learn any lesson. I remember SL start practicing one week after winning WC and our coach need a vacation after every all expense paid tour

BANFAN
October 19, 2010, 03:56 AM
Nice article Isam.

On a side note, the known cast of characters who are pathologically against Jamie as a person/coach, has reached a certain point of incurable derangement, which should be better off left alone. I mean, crazy people are better off alone, or with like minded souls in an asylum. I do have compassion for them and its needless to further needle them. I think the Fox News syndrome has set in, when they kept on bringing up the non-existent and debunked WMD 'proof's, even though sanity and evidence said otherwise.

Now I understand the reason of love. Try to come out of person. WHoever has criticized JS, I have never heard them talking about him as a person. All were as a coach.

Your Fox example is so irrelevant here. In case of WMD it is either there or not. If it is not you don;t have to bring in evidence for that.

Where as in case of a coach; Imprvement or no improvement both must have evidence. Do you have an evidence of improvement? You never had, just the love of person gets over you. Where as, there are neumerous evidences of the damage, wrong policies, wrong strategies, poor performances by the batsmen specially untill the last series. I don;t like to repeat those.

Your Fox/WMD example is as crazy as it can get because of it's irrelevance and I don't mind leaving you alone. Thanks, I took your suggestion. ;)

shakibrulz
October 19, 2010, 04:01 AM
What are those wrong policies? Powerplay strategy? As far as I know it is upto the batsmen in the middle not the captain or coach to decide when to take the powerplay. And read riyad's part where he says he's been training slogging all these days to play at #7. What can a coach do for Riyad going there and playing test cricket?

BANFAN
October 19, 2010, 04:16 AM
Starts with Batting Team Rules, Multi Captain, PP Policy, Playing For 220-240 Totals etc etc

Check JS threads for the complete list of his wrong policies.

magic boy
October 19, 2010, 04:39 AM
to some guys the glass is always HALF empty,pessimist ! nothing new though!

BANFAN
October 19, 2010, 05:33 AM
Some guys just call, Spade a Spade. :)

Glass half full is consolation and half empty is analytical. So it depends on what you want to do with the piece of observation.

Isam
October 19, 2010, 06:19 AM
Again he went to vacation. he did not learn any lesson. I remember SL start practicing one week after winning WC and our coach need a vacation after every all expense paid tour

His wife's pregnant. So he's going there to settle her and then he'll be back. Give the guy a chance...!

Equinox
October 19, 2010, 06:48 AM
Seriously BANFAN, take a break. We know what you have to say. Don't need to remind us in every single thread.

BANFAN
October 19, 2010, 07:31 AM
Seriously BANFAN, take a break. We know what you have to say. Don't need to remind us in every single thread.

Really? Thanks and So do we ;)

Isam
October 19, 2010, 11:25 AM
Nice read Isam.

thanks Miraz bhai

munnabhai
October 19, 2010, 11:30 AM
Starts with Batting Team Rules, Multi Captain, PP Policy, Playing For 220-240 Totals etc etc

Check JS threads for the complete list of his wrong policies.

what makes you think that you are more qualified than Jamie Siddons? If you know so much more than Jamie why don't yo apply for the coaching role, a series win against the kiwis isn't enough for you, has you applied the multi captain ppolicy? I haven't seen that, we don't have better power pay hitters, can you develop a powerplay hitter or if you are so good at hunting talented players why don't you seek individuals.

Give credit where it's due.

Cheers,
Munna Bhai.

betaar
October 19, 2010, 11:33 AM
Nah nothing like that. I just played 1st division for the last 7 years and a season of Premier League. I got cut off from my club this year, well...I can't tell you why..at least not here!
But I used to bowl in the nets last year and have done so previously before I started journalism.

Good for you. We need more people in sports journalism who actually have sports background so they can analyze it better than some of the over dramatic journalists who just fill the void with nonsense.

Eshen
October 19, 2010, 11:56 AM
Month and half's hard work, still batting forms of Naeem, Mahmudullah, Raqibul, Zunaed, and Mushfiq on regression! Shuvo, who is a decent batsman in domestic league, did not look like a batsman in the series at all!

Shakib's batting form got better by not attending the camp!

I seriously think we need a batting coach, at least for the period leading to WC'11.

AsifTheManRahman
October 19, 2010, 12:35 PM
Good article. Can't really identify with the bit on the batting - whereas Test batting has improved, ODI batting still remains a concern. I say boomerang the takla and things might improve. This series was won because of the bowling and the fielding, but you can't win the world cup with pink ponies posing as batsmen.

So it took them 39 years to figure out the benefits of hard work? Jharu diye pitano uchit. No more vacations for the takla.

WarWolf
October 19, 2010, 12:43 PM
No more vacations for the takla.
He is already on vacation!!!:lol::lol::lol:

akabir77
October 19, 2010, 02:37 PM
:notworthy:BANFAN - you are starting to sound like a broken record. Each and every time your assertions have been invalidated by those who are right there. You've had Tamim's statments, you have reports from journalists who are right there on the ground like Isam above. Isn't it time to give this a rest or else actually show evidence to back up your accusations?:notworthy:

akabir77
October 19, 2010, 02:39 PM
Good article. Can't really identify with the bit on the batting - whereas Test batting has improved, ODI batting still remains a concern. I say boomerang the takla and things might improve. This series was won because of the bowling and the fielding, but you can't win the world cup with pink ponies posing as batsmen.

So it took them 39 years to figure out the benefits of hard work? Jharu diye pitano uchit. No more vacations for the takla.

why r u just look at this series for batting improvement...

Fazal
October 19, 2010, 02:47 PM
Good Article Isam. And thanks for coming here and sharing your thoughts with us.
I value your feedback more, as you have direct contact with the players and the coaches and get real insight about what’s going on behind the scene.

We, the typical fans, react and sometimes over-react, analyze and sometime over-analyze, which is ok. But you bring another dimension in the discussion, based on what you see behind the scene.

Keep on writing as we need more writers like you writing for cricinfo and other sports media.

BANFAN
October 20, 2010, 12:27 AM
what makes you think that you are more qualified than Jamie Siddons? If you know so much more than Jamie why don't yo apply for the coaching role, a series win against the kiwis isn't enough for you, has you applied the multi captain ppolicy? I haven't seen that, we don't have better power pay hitters, can you develop a powerplay hitter or if you are so good at hunting talented players why don't you seek individuals.

Give credit where it's due.

Cheers,
Munna Bhai.

Welcome to BC. I can understand your ignorance as a new member and probably new in online forums as well, that's what your post suggests. Just for your knowledge, when people talk on these forums they talk about experts in diffierent fields, it doesn't mean that the participants are better than that expert. The participants may be experts in different fields.

[edit - get off your high horse!]

Coming to your point; If series win is something for which you have to credit everyone, that should reach upto BC/LK and the Prime minister as well. So I have no problem, in that. My heartiest congrats to all including JS & Hasina. But does it prove the competence of a batting coach?

AsifTheManRahman
October 20, 2010, 10:36 AM
why r u just look at this series for batting improvement...
Well overall the ODI batting hasn't improved as fast as it should. We're scoring 250+ more often but teams are capable of scoring 300+ on the same surfaces with great ease these days. We're still 50 - 80 runs behind and we can't catch up with our batsmen batting like Barbie.

For the world cup, we should play on pitches that are slow and low. Win some matches in the group stage and then win the cup.

shuziburo
October 20, 2010, 12:24 PM
Still waiting for Mahmudullah's lofted shot...
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I am, too.

BTW, it was an awesome article. Keep them coming. Cricinfo will become more readable for us if you continue to contribute.

shuziburo
October 20, 2010, 12:26 PM
Yes a great read tho I haven't finished it yet :)

Btw, i have the same question as isam bhai... Why did it take so long to figure out the boys needed more time in the nets instead boot camps and sparring in the ring???

Absence or lack of use of gray matter likely reason. (Wow, my English teacher would be furious. A verbless sentence!)

shuziburo
October 20, 2010, 12:36 PM
Well overall the ODI batting hasn't improved as fast as it should. We're scoring 250+ more often but teams are capable of scoring 300+ on the same surfaces with great ease these days. We're still 50 - 80 runs behind and we can't catch up with our batsmen batting like Barbie.

For the world cup, we should play on pitches that are slow and low. Win some matches in the group stage and then win the cup.

I wholeheartedly concur.

I would like to see two things happen:

Lose no more than 4 wickets in the first 40 overs. Then, accelerate in the final 10. Except for Tamim, everybody else should curb their shotmaking. Tamim does not play well when not attacking. Shakib has become even more dangerous by learning not to hit six off every delivery.
Use powerplay well. T20 or powerplay does not mean 4 or 6 of every delivery. You can score 10 with a 4, two 2's, two singles, and a dot ball.

munnabhai
October 21, 2010, 12:59 PM
Welcome to BC. I can understand your ignorance as a new member and probably new in online forums as well, that's what your post suggests. Just for your knowledge, when people talk on these forums they talk about experts in diffierent fields, it doesn't mean that the participants are better than that expert. The participants may be experts in different fields.

[edit - get off your high horse!]

Coming to your point; If series win is something for which you have to credit everyone, that should reach upto BC/LK and the Prime minister as well. So I have no problem, in that. My heartiest congrats to all including JS & Hasina. But does it prove the competence of a batting coach?

Seriously dude you are messed up, we all know who is ignorant here, clearly it's you my friend. Tamim in his own words credited the batting coach, if you have read Islam's article you too will know who worked hard with them. You lack knowledge, intellect and most importantly common sense. You are the Ashrafool of this thread.

[edit]

Do you know more than Tamim? lol, your statements are weak and you clearly lack for the second time common sense. Stop talking nonsense.