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fiasnahk
October 18, 2010, 05:52 PM
In tests mushfiq is fine at number 6, but in ODIs is he really? The biggest problem with our batting line up is that when we get to the batting powerplay we cant make the 50 runs we should be making. Mushfiq is good in a crisis, but with only mahmadullah to come, dont we need someone with the ability to hit the big sixes when needed at this position? Maybe im being too harsh because i have seen mushy hit some big ones before, but he often gets out just before the batting powerplay. He looks like a top order player to me but there is no room in there at the moment. I would have suggested swapping his and shakibs order, but with the bossmans form he needs as many overs as possible. What do you guys think?

Rifat
October 18, 2010, 07:03 PM
I thought he batted well given the circumstances...he just didn't carry on! he needs to get some fifties if he is to stay in the ODI team.

Naimul_Hd
October 18, 2010, 07:22 PM
Mushy is perfect for middle order. He plays spin better than any other. He has got good foot work. Moreover, he has got temperament to anchor his innings beside Shakib.

al-Sagar
October 18, 2010, 07:35 PM
he should play at no 4 .... .... thats the perfect for him. he is quite able to defende, push and nudge for singles, and play attacking shots to spinners over the top if needed

Dilscoop
October 18, 2010, 08:01 PM
I've been saying this for a long time, in ODI Mushy bats way too low. In tests it's fine, keepers bat at 7 or lower in tests any ways. But in ODI, he is just being wasted. Thanks a lot to our dumb coach, who can't compromise with the batting order.

He is a batsman with proper technic, someone who takes his time and can build an innings. He is best at 4, that's where he avg his highest. Like the thread starter said, he did hit some biggies, but that's just not his game. We need a slogger at 6, not Rahim.

Drop Roqibul's @$$, and let Rahim bat at 4. If 2 quick wickets fall, he is the right person to be there. Not someone negative like Roqi. He can rotate the strike, and rebuild the innings. Take Jahurul at 6, Mashrafe/old Naeem at 7. Jahurul can be the a slogger

In test, Rahim should go back down to 6, and Jahurul at 4. Jahurul was decent at 4 in UK, and as long as he is in the XI, he can even open if we need him to.

Tigers_eye
October 18, 2010, 08:09 PM
What is the job of real chatter box?

Annoy opposition while batting. Try to keep them from concentrating on their batting. Just making their time in the middle a little uncomfortable.

wiseshah
October 18, 2010, 08:14 PM
all of a sudden our ODI team is full of test player---mushy, riad, rokibul, imrul, junaid, shuvo

before ODI team was full of 20/20 player-----------ash, aftab, kapali, farhad reza,nazimuddin

we need combination of slow+ hard hitter--in ODI

fiasnahk
October 18, 2010, 09:19 PM
all of a sudden our ODI team is full of test player---mushy, riad, rokibul, imrul, junaid, shuvo

Its pretty harsh to say that riad, junaid and shuvo are just test players. Junaid especially has done really well in keeping the momentum going after the openers leave, remember the asia cup a few months ago?

M.H.Rubel
October 18, 2010, 11:05 PM
Some of my fellows here want to play Mushy at #4 but my concern,is it wise to send an inconsistent player at #4?
Mushy is not a good WK thats for sure but probably we dont have any other better option.
I like Mushy as a batsman but he is very inconsistent in ODI its a major problem with him.In that case IMO Mushy shoulde bat at #7 after Riyad.As a batsman Riyad is better than Mushy in every format so why should he bat after Mushy?
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Dilscoop
October 18, 2010, 11:45 PM
^ Rahim is inconsistent because he is batting at the wrong spot. He batted at #4 before. If you check his record, all best scores came at top 4. Well he can't open, we already got too many openers. #3 is also taken by Siddique, and Siddique earned that spot for now. Siddique should bat at 3, that way, it's the same balance in ODI and test. Because Rahim won't bat at 3 (as I already said keepers dont bat high on tests). Also, Rahim failed at 3 many times, like many of our other batsmen. So #4 is the best option for him.

Jadukor
October 19, 2010, 01:38 AM
In tests mushfiq is fine at number 6, but in ODIs is he really? The biggest problem with our batting line up is that when we get to the batting powerplay we cant make the 50 runs we should be making. Mushfiq is good in a crisis, but with only mahmadullah to come, dont we need someone with the ability to hit the big sixes when needed at this position? Maybe im being too harsh because i have seen mushy hit some big ones before, but he often gets out just before the batting powerplay. He looks like a top order player to me but there is no room in there at the moment. I would have suggested swapping his and shakibs order, but with the bossmans form he needs as many overs as possible. What do you guys think?

completely agree with you... I think Mushfiq could bat in pos 3 or 4. He has good technique and temperament and batting up the order would allow him some time to settle and get a big one as well... At the death we need people with a bit more striking ability... people like Oram, Morkel, Yousuf Pathan, Pollard bat in those late order positions... our current lineup needs a player who can make those quick cameos... We have tried Naeem, Mahmudullah and Mushfiq to no effect... for attacking play we rely too much on Tamim and Shakib...and in T-20 our weakness was exposed in Worldcup

Razi
October 19, 2010, 01:57 AM
Mushy at no.4 and Jahu at no.6 would be perfect for us, but we need a good no.7, who can hit the ball really hard unlike Riad & Naeem, those morons don't even have the intent to hit. Maybe we can try out someone new like Shuvagoto or Nasir against Zim and see how it goes, and mind you both are matured enough player to play international cricket.

Jadukor
October 19, 2010, 02:07 AM
its unfortunate that Mashrafi's batting has really worsened in recent times... He could have been a valuable late order hitter for us... We are missing somebody like Md Rafique.. he was a great fighter..with not even an ounce of negativity in his mindset... he was someone who always had the balls to take the bowlers on regardless of his limited ability...

Dilscoop
October 19, 2010, 02:09 AM
^ No. 7 solution is in your avatar. Mashrafe Mortaza. If Rubel and Shafiul keeps this up and keeps improving, Mashrafe will have tough time returning into the playing XI as a opening bowler. And his bowling career is letting him down, making him injured and all. We all know how well he can hit. He saved us with his bat many times before. He certainly can work on it, and become a Med. Fast All Rouner. He could be our Lance Klusener, Jacob Oram, D Bravo, K Pollard.

He could be the power hitter, the slogger we are badly missing. I saw his pictures recently, working n his batting. Hope he takes it more seriously.

BANFAN
October 19, 2010, 02:21 AM
I saw some improvement in keeping this time. Less misses than before. But his batting really hasn't improved at all. Don't have any solution in mind, since I don't like the idea of teaching Zahurul learning wk and replacing him. If Zahurul takes wk seriously himself and can do a decent job, i don't mind. Dhiman, may be good in wk but his batting is worse than Mushy. Who else?

How can Mash be a replacement of Mushy? Besides batting we need wk skills to replace Mushy.

Dilscoop
October 19, 2010, 02:45 AM
I D K where you got the idea of Mash REPLACING Mushy, or Jahurul REPLACING Mushy. I don't think anyone in here said anything about REPLACING Mushy. Most of us are talking about pushing him up the order, PROMOTING him. How can a bowler replace a keeper?

My advice would be that you at least read one or two posts, as you seem lost :)

BANFAN
October 19, 2010, 03:06 AM
I D K where you got the idea of Mash REPLACING Mushy, or Jahurul REPLACING Mushy. I don't think anyone in here said anything about REPLACING Mushy. Most of us are talking about pushing him up the order, PROMOTING him. How can a bowler replace a keeper?

My advice would be that you at least read one or two posts, as you seem lost :)

Thanks ... I read your one and that was like ... that.

That's way off topic ... Discussing batting order of the team or role of Mushy? :)

Dilscoop
October 19, 2010, 03:12 AM
No where does my post say that "Mashrafe should replace Rahim (as a keeper or as how ever you thought)

And off topic? No not really. He bats at 6, and his role becomes sort of a finisher, and sometimes he is having to slog and gets out cheaply, when he could be more useful at the top with a role of a proper batsman, a middle order. If he bats high up, his role will change.

Really, it shouldn't be that hard for you to understand this simple thing. Idk how you find it off topic

Dilscoop
October 19, 2010, 03:14 AM
You could even look at the 1st post, he is initially talking about his bating position.

tanziraz
October 19, 2010, 03:45 AM
promoting mushfiq in batting order is a good idea. But whats the solution of big hitting? can anyone tell me? Who could be the replacement? May be we can try ash at 7. He is capable of big hitting. Also, Pressure will be minimum at him as he will come to bat with 6or 7 overs left. So, he can go and thrash blindly without any hesitation.

shakibrulz
October 19, 2010, 04:08 AM
Can Dhiman slog? How is his batting?

Play Jahurul for mushy, there is no one else he can possibly replace in the lineup.

firstlane
October 19, 2010, 04:27 AM
Mushy at no.4 and Jahu at no.6 would be perfect for us, but we need a good no.7, who can hit the ball really hard unlike Riad & Naeem, those morons don't even have the intent to hit. Maybe we can try out someone new like Shuvagoto or Nasir against Zim and see how it goes, and mind you both are matured enough player to play international cricket.

I always thought ashraful would be good for no.7 position. But Bangladeshi management think of him as Bradman -if he is in the team, he has to bat in the top order. They could learn from afridi's example. When he was failing continuously as an opener, he was moved down the order as a specialist slogger. He didn't do bad. He actually improved his bowling since then.

shakibrulz
October 19, 2010, 04:48 AM
I always thought ashraful would be good for no.7 position. But Bangladeshi management think of him as Bradman -if he is in the team, he has to bat in the top order. They could learn from afridi's example. When he was failing continuously as an opener, he was moved down the order as a specialist slogger. He didn't do bad. He actually improved his bowling since then.
Afridi is supposed to be their allrounder actually. And afridi is the last one you want to make a role model of - averaging an earth shattering 23 from almost 300 matches. :lol: I don't think any team will play such a mediocre player for 300 matches except Pakistan.

Afridi = Glorified Ashrafool.

Jadukor
October 19, 2010, 04:55 AM
I think we have plenty of Options at no. 7... we can try aftab,ashrafool,nazimuddin,kapali, Johurul islam... or anyone who has had success in the t-20 leagues

firstlane
October 19, 2010, 05:27 AM
Afridi is supposed to be their allrounder actually. And afridi is the last one you want to make a role model of - averaging an earth shattering 23 from almost 300 matches. :lol: I don't think any team will play such a mediocre player for 300 matches except Pakistan.

Afridi = Glorified Ashrafool.

23 avg is not that bad for a no.7 or 8 batsman. At this position not many batsmen has a 35 avg. But you can't play a batsmen at the top order with 23 avg. But again if avg is everything whats wrong with m'ullah then? All I am saying if you will bring him in the team (we all know selectors will to this at some point) let him bat in lower-middle order where he can play the way he wants. And i dont think his bowling is so much worse than naeem or m'ullah. Afridi may not be the most consistant batsman and so not ash but on their day they can be destuctive. Its not about making afridi role model or anything, its about making the right use of your resources. And on another note, we have shakib to fill the allrounder's shoe.

shakibrulz
October 19, 2010, 05:32 AM
23 avg is not that bad for a no.7 or 8 batsmen. At this position not many batsmen has a 35 avg. But you can't play a batsmen at the top order with 23 avg. All I am saying if you will bring him in the team (we all know selectors will bring him at some point) let him bat in lower-middle order where he can play the way he wants. And i dont think his bowling as so much worse than naeem or m'ullah.
He is not a no. 7, he bats from 5-10 positions at his convenience. If you want to play a specialist slogger who can't do worse than mahmudullah, I would say it's not worth it. Mashrafe can effectively play the slogger's role if he bats in the powerplay, :)

If Naeem can slog, the it would be the best option IMO.

FagunerAgun
October 19, 2010, 05:47 AM
all of a sudden our ODI team is full of test player---mushy, riad, rokibul, imrul, junaid, shuvo

before ODI team was full of 20/20 player-----------ash, aftab, kapali, farhad reza,nazimuddin

we need combination of slow+ hard hitter--in ODI
agree, atleast we could have tried it in the last ODI.

Jadukor
October 19, 2010, 05:54 AM
We need to drop the half cricketers who don't warrant selection in either batting or bowling but somehow gets in because they can do a bit of both... We carried along Farhad Reza as such kind of excess baggage before... now we are carrying Mahmudullah and Naeem... Can these two actually bowl to a strong side and get away with it?... I dont think so.. Strong sides will milk them easily during the middle overs without losing wickets and then go for the onslaught at the death... Since we already have the world's best alrounder in Shakib we dont need to go for these cricketers...but rather go for someone who can deserve selection based solely on either his batting or bowling...

simon
October 19, 2010, 06:07 AM
ya,he shld bat at n°4,he usually needs time to settle down but not good so low & in PP.
Jahurule shld bat at Mushy's current position,he can hit well,he is naturally more agressive btsman.

lamisa
October 19, 2010, 10:05 AM
how many contenders do we have for the no.4 spot now?

Sohel
October 19, 2010, 10:14 AM
Our own Frodo is: 1) misidentified (NOT a good WK, short with no lateral footwork, weird lapses in concentration largely because of his own incessant kichir-michir); and 2) misused/misplaced (NOT a number 6 or 7 in the shorter formats, he's the sensible consolidator we've been looking for at the top of the order, good technique and temperament, ability to rotate the strike with ease). Let him bat at number 3 or 4 as specialist bat, and we'll see all questions with regards to his "role" disappear.

Sissyfied (once)guys like Imroze, Riyad and Nayeem are the ones who really concern me. Bench all three for the Zimbabwe series and see if Motin, Alok, Nasir, Rumman or Shubhagoto can possibly do any worse. Time to give Omi a good run. Burn Pathor's effigy in New Zealand, upload the video on You Tube and force him to watch it over and over again until he retires for good.

Dilscoop
October 19, 2010, 12:22 PM
I always thought ashraful would be good for no.7 position. But Bangladeshi management think of him as Bradman -if he is in the team, he has to bat in the top order. They could learn from afridi's example. When he was failing continuously as an opener, he was moved down the order as a specialist slogger. He didn't do bad. He actually improved his bowling since then.

All his best scores came from lower-middle. He should bat there. Guys like Mike Hussey bats there. Idk if this is an ego issue. It shouldn't be up to egos, but who is the best option.

Plus we could always use a leggie. He should go back being a leggie again. He doesn't even bowl legspin anymore. I really think he should try an Afridi.

roman
October 19, 2010, 12:38 PM
let ash/shuvogoto hom bat @ # 7. Mushy should bat @ 4/5
batting order
tamim
imrul
SN
Mushy/Shak
Shak/Mushy
Johurul
Ash/Shuvogoto hom
Mash
Shafiul
Razzak
Rubel

WarWolf
October 19, 2010, 12:41 PM
Leave Shuvagoto for at least 1 year more. He played only 8 first class and no List A at all!!! Let him prove that he is here to stay.

Wakidul
October 19, 2010, 12:55 PM
What about nazimuddin guyz. Ive neva actually seen him play or can remmeber to see him play... is he a hard hitter?
If so, y not have him in place of sum1 so he can play the slog overs in the end. Rahim should play as number four i agree, followed by mahmudullah en then shak.

My ideal line up against zimbabwe;

1. Tamim
2. Kayes
3. Siddique
4. Mushy
5. Riad
6. Shakib
7. Nazimuddin
8. Shuvo
9. Shafiul
10. Razzak
11. Rubel

Purbasha T
October 19, 2010, 01:24 PM
he should play at no 4 .... .... thats the perfect for him. he is quite able to defende, push and nudge for singles, and play attacking shots to spinners over the top if needed

Yep. Unless Rock or Jahurul comes up with some innings, Mushy should be tried there.

fiasnahk
October 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
Since the topic has sort of become about how we solve our lower order batting problem here is a suggestion. I suggest alok kapali for that position. The guy is probably the biggest hitter in bangladesh if you saw him at the ICL. Maybe a replacement for mahmadullah if he doesn't work out? And plz plz plz no one mention ashraful. If he comes in and scores a quick 30 at 7, then everyone will think hes god again and he will spend another eternity at the number 4 position.

Eshen
October 19, 2010, 04:56 PM
Mushfiq's overall ODI batting record, or that for 2010 is actually worse than that of Raqibul. It does not make sense to me to replace a player with someone worse, that too for the so important #4 position.

IMO, Jahurul should be given the #4 slot for the Zimbabwe series. Shamsur Rahman is another option that selectors should definitely keep on in coming domestic league matches.

crickwizard
October 20, 2010, 12:14 AM
Mushi should be dropped from ODI, Johurul should be the wkt keeping batsman. Mushi's keeping is not international standard, his height is shortcoming for stamping and catching. His batting is inconsistent and he keeps getting bowled by same ball last 2 years (bad-pad gap on the off stamp). Some of you keep saying hua hua, he is most technically sound etc. He is technically sound in some shots and his style of batting is good but he was never a core batsman

zainab
October 20, 2010, 04:57 AM
Wicket keeping duties should be shared with Mushy, Jahurul is perfect. /They have to have a back up in case Muahy gets injured and BCB should be thinking along these lines.

max410
October 20, 2010, 06:33 AM
Jhaurul is a better keeper and batsmen compared to him why not give him a chance instead its better that way and mushy can be useful for test even though his average is not up to the mark to be in international standards

lamisa
October 20, 2010, 07:50 AM
jahurul doesn't keep in domestics,but he will this season,or atleast he would like to...

Dilscoop
October 20, 2010, 01:14 PM
Ok, stop with Rahim dropping. He is not going any where. Jahurul is replacing ROQIBULLCARP. Not Rahim!

roaring tigerz
October 20, 2010, 05:34 PM
Our own Frodo is: 1) misidentified (NOT a good WK, short with no lateral footwork, weird lapses in concentration largely because of his own incessant kichir-michir); and 2) misused/misplaced (NOT a number 6 or 7 in the shorter formats, he's the sensible consolidator we've been looking for at the top of the order, good technique and temperament, ability to rotate the strike with ease). Let him bat at number 3 or 4 as specialist bat, and we'll see all questions with regards to his "role" disappear.

Sissyfied (once)guys like Imroze, Riyad and Nayeem are the ones who really concern me. Bench all three for the Zimbabwe series and see if Motin, Alok, Nasir, Rumman or Shubhagoto can possibly do any worse. Time to give Omi a good run. Burn Pathor's effigy in New Zealand, upload the video on You Tube and force him to watch it over and over again until he retires for good.

Mushfiq is a wicket keeper-batsman and not the other way round. He has dropped a few in the recent past, but I still think he is a terrific keeper.

About his batting role, like everyone else I have also questioned the logic of batting him lower down the order. But that seems to be his natural habitat. The high backlift and reliance on playing from the crease leaves him vulnerable to pace and seam. He has often succumbed early either bowled, caught behind or lbw when playing at number 3 or 4. At 6, he usually comes in with more than 10 overs to go and starts off by facing spinners, his forte. So, I am fine with seeing him bat where he is now. The only pre-condition being that he needs to score more consistently.

I don't see the management bringing on a completely fresh faced youngster to the team so close to the world cup. And nor should they. So, no to Hom, Nasir Hossain or any of the other promising newbies. Give the likes of Riyad and Nayeem some time and they will reproduce their proven match winning performances.

Dilscoop
October 20, 2010, 07:45 PM
LOL if he is a WICKET-keeper batsman, (if we are talking about 90s) then he shouldn't drop any catches, as his wicketkeeping job 1st, and he shouldn't make any mistake. As there are batsman-wicketkeepers and they hardly drop any and of course they are a great bat.

Teams hardly use WK-Batsman now days, but there are some.

Ajfar
October 20, 2010, 08:46 PM
jahurul doesn't keep in domestics,but he will this season,or atleast he would like to...

I think he will keep this season. Pilot can help him out, which will be really good.

got a question for you. So when you were chilling with all the captains, did they say anything regarding the batting PP?

Murad
October 20, 2010, 08:53 PM
I think he will keep this season. Pilot can help him out, which will be really good.

got a question for you. So when you were chilling with all the captains, did they say anything regarding the batting PP?

No chance I guess. Mushfique is back to Rajshahi squad this season.

Ajfar
October 20, 2010, 09:32 PM
^This is stupid. Why do they keep making all these changes. Players never really get the chance to get use to playing together.

Eshen
October 20, 2010, 11:30 PM
^This is stupid. Why do they keep making all these changes. Players never really get the chance to get use to playing together.
Previously national selectors assigned players to different teams regardless which team those players wanted to play for or which team wanted them, but that's not the case this time around. I think this a welcome change.

al Furqaan
October 21, 2010, 12:24 AM
Mushfiq's overall ODI batting record, or that for 2010 is actually worse than that of Raqibul. It does not make sense to me to replace a player with someone worse, that too for the so important #4 position.

IMO, Jahurul should be given the #4 slot for the Zimbabwe series. Shamsur Rahman is another option that selectors should definitely keep on in coming domestic league matches.

some players look much worse than their numbers indicate (mushy, ash) and others look far better (rock).

rock has an overall ODI average superior to tamim's...but even the insane asylum will agree that there is no comparison as to who the better batsman is, regardless of their strike rates.

at the same time, ashraful appears to be a single digit man, but he averages something like 22 this year (thanks to that 75 at the very beginning of the year). thats prolly better than Junaid's average if u take out matches against ireland.

in the same vein, mushy is a better batsman than his averages indicate. he is a much better Raqibul. he should bat at 3 or 4, consolidate...and if he's still around can push his SR with some lusty blows towards the end/bat PP. he's one of the most wholesome batsman we have.

and he should bat at 4 in tests too...if we could just remove his damn gloves!

max410
October 21, 2010, 12:58 AM
Jahurul should be given a chance as wicket keeper batsmen we need consistent performers right now

lamisa
October 21, 2010, 03:00 AM
mushy and jahurul both play for biman so whi will kep?obviously the keeper of the national team.bd_sy bhai,no i didn't ask them anything about batting pp,but even if i did i am sure the answer would be,"PP nile age age wicket pore jabe" or"team strateg discus korte parbo na baire"