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hoax
October 20, 2010, 10:24 AM
Did u guys saw what white do today?..aus was struggling 2 get to 250 and then they got 289!! white:89 of 49 aus 84 in PP

Now i dont know if we'll ever have that fire power but now we desperately need a finisher.who can bat at 7 and operate in the PP..we have a very good starter as Tamim a good middle order Shakib and co but we suck like **** at tail and in PP:waiting:

who u guys think can feel in that finisher post?
1.Ashrafool
2.Riyad
3.Kapali
4.jahurul
5.Suvogoto
6.Other
plz mantion the player name if u select other:)

magic boy
October 20, 2010, 11:50 AM
Dolar Mahmud
Alok Kapali
Nazimuddin

al-Sagar
October 20, 2010, 12:01 PM
first question is when we should take our powerplay ??? should we always wait for the 46th over and expect the no 7 or PP specialist will come to bat at that time ???

we should have flexibilty. and all our batsman should be trained to make use of PP, starting from Rock to tamim

shakibrulz
October 20, 2010, 12:06 PM
Ashrafool = BIG NO
Riyad = :lol:
Kapali = Maybe
Jahurul = Best option, but has potential to be a great middle order batsman
Shuvogoto = Yet to debut, and same as above

shakibrulz
October 20, 2010, 12:06 PM
Mashrafe batting in the powerplay overs with Rahim might be a good idea.

Nadim
October 20, 2010, 12:13 PM
It's Ashraful....not Ashrafool. Mind respecting others name?

roman
October 20, 2010, 12:21 PM
You guys are suggenting Ash as a finisher. Does it mean that you'll make him bat @ #7,#8?

roman
October 20, 2010, 12:22 PM
It's Ashraful....not Ashrafool. Mind respecting others name?
I thought thats how u spell his name here in BC :)

LateCut
October 20, 2010, 12:43 PM
It's Ashraful....not Ashrafool. Mind respecting others name?

Hmmm! I I thought it is ***-ar-Fool!

Dilscoop
October 20, 2010, 12:59 PM
Ok your poll question is wrong. Finishers don't operate just the batting PP. Their job stars around 30-35 overs. He sticks around few early overs, gets his eyes in, then goes after, and that's when usually teams take their batting PP. When they have a big hitter in the middle.

Look at Cam White today. He usually bats around this time. He went in there around 35th over, and came out not out, with a SR of around 200. He did not just "operate" the batting PP. He was there the whole finishing time.

Habib
October 20, 2010, 12:59 PM
Hmmm! I I thought it is ***-ar-Fool!

Hmm what kinda flower is that?

Dilscoop
October 20, 2010, 01:02 PM
You guys are suggenting Ash as a finisher. Does it mean that you'll make him bat @ #7,#8?

Not necessarily. He will bat at the later half of the inn. 35-50 overs. If that means going in at #4, than he will go in at 4. If that means he will go in at #7, he will. But with our coach, who hates to break the order, and adjust it situation wise, I doubt that will have. But yes his ideal spot will be 6/7.

simon
October 20, 2010, 01:06 PM
Raquibul. :-D ,naaa
Jahu maybe,if not Ash.

shakibrulz
October 20, 2010, 01:16 PM
Raqibul can be a great finisher for BD.
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roman
October 20, 2010, 01:30 PM
Raqibul can be a great finisher for BD.

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Rokib @ powerplay..Hmm :waiting:. How about this scenario...

BD 220/5 after 45 overs

Rokib comes to bat @ powerplay
BD 225/5 after 50 overs :applause::hairpull:

Dilscoop
October 20, 2010, 01:39 PM
you know Shakibrulez was being sarcastic?

Tanjim
October 20, 2010, 01:58 PM
I think Mahmudullah or Nayem is the best option.Ash or Alok can be but they r very irregular and unreliable.
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_Rafi_
October 20, 2010, 02:10 PM
Pray for Mash to get well soon. He is the man.

roman
October 20, 2010, 02:12 PM
you know Shakibrulez was being sarcastic?

I know...so was i bro :)

betaar
October 20, 2010, 02:42 PM
Someone mentioned in a thread about using Ash as #7 or #8 batsman and I didn’t think the idea was discussed enough to use him as a spinner who can bat in place of Shuvo?

I know some of you will kill me for bringing this up but Shuvo is not anything special. True he was out standing in one of the matches and bowled fairly ok in others, but to be honest, NZ was so subpar this series that I wouldn’t rate his success in this series as a yardstick to consider him for the WC best 11.

Instead, if we have Ash in #8 or #7 depending on match situation and give him the license to kill, chances are he will score some quick fire 30s or 40s taking advantage of the powerplay situation. Where as batting wise, Shuvo is just not international standard and his bowling being not so special, I see him as a mediocre player. And with Mahmudullah not able to hit at all, we have no option but to have someone in our team who can hit and has all the shots in the book to take advantage of the powerplay. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=I know it’s against common sense to use a proper (sorry I had use the word “PROPER” in relation to Ash :-p) batsman at #7 or 8 position but Ash is anything but. He’s got the technique, the know hows, but he doesn’t know which shot to play. If he’s given the chance to hit out and is also used as a bowler, I think he will add more value than Shuvo. All Shak needs to do is use Ash and Mahmudullah as the fifth bowler and use them earlier part of the game so they are not under pressure right from the start. Once they gain confidence they will definitely serve well as the 5<SUP>th</SUP> and the 6<SUP>th</SUP> bowler. Remember, Ash started his career as a bowler……so why not ask him to be a bowling allrounder who can exploit the batting powerplay.<o:p></o:p>

Can you imagine knowing that we still have Ash in our disposal after losing 6-7 wickets? I know he hasn’t proved his true ability with the bat but he has the “what if” factor that plays on every ones mind, including the oppositions’ bowlers. And with a fit Mash back in the team, we can definitely make each and every powerplay count. So why not give this a go against Zim and see if it works?<o:p></o:p>

Raynman
October 20, 2010, 04:32 PM
One of the things that has bothered me is our disrespect towards T20 (from BCB, the management, the coaching staff and the players).

Due to this we have dismissed the skill of power hitting (not blind slogging) and are paying the price for in ODI powerplays as well as clear the fielders in Tests.

For a finisher role you need someone who is brave and someone who has been given the license to hit. In that role you could potentially fail more than you succeed but the success' should be noteworthy. Our current approach by selectors, coaches and fans won't give any of our players the confidence to take up that role because a couple of failures and you are out of the team with little chance of return unless you change your style to a defensive mindset.

dolcevita
October 20, 2010, 04:44 PM
Alok kapali / ashrafool : gives him free licences to score 20/30 quick runs a la pollard/ cameron white
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Dilscoop
October 20, 2010, 04:53 PM
Idk why you guys are voting for this Shuvagoto guy. I read so many post on him about just drafting him in the team. I just checked, he only played 7 FC matches. Haven't we learned anything? How many more times we have to see this? Just bring in buncha guys and let them fail kill their career. Then open threads on them about why they are in the team, and how we should get rid of them, and get another guy in with 5 FC match experience.

And even if he does get picked, he won't be a finisher. You can't just ask a new guy to get in there and hit some biggies. He will be very nervous. He will need more than few matches to calm down. I remember our "choka Naeem" and his first few matches. Or Aftab's first few matches.

At this point our best bet is Ashthefool, or Aftab. May be not Aftab. JS tried to make him into a "proper" batsman, and he was a fail in ENG home series.

Dilscoop
October 20, 2010, 04:57 PM
One of the things that has bothered me is our disrespect towards T20 (from BCB, the management, the coaching staff and the players).

Due to this we have dismissed the skill of power hitting (not blind slogging) and are paying the price for in ODI powerplays as well as clear the fielders in Tests.

For a finisher role you need someone who is brave and someone who has been given the license to hit. In that role you could potentially fail more than you succeed but the success' should be noteworthy. Our current approach by selectors, coaches and fans won't give any of our players the confidence to take up that role because a couple of failures and you are out of the team with little chance of return unless you change your style to a defensive mindset.

Very well said. Right to the point. Something that making Riyad and Naeem suffer. They look awful and worried when they go in the mddle

mehedi
October 20, 2010, 05:15 PM
Alok Kapali

Murad
October 20, 2010, 05:48 PM
Other: Ashraful

hoax
October 20, 2010, 07:58 PM
It's Ashraful....not Ashrafool. Mind respecting others name?

no its ashrafool 4 me..or u can cal ash-the-fool:-D

LBW103
October 20, 2010, 09:32 PM
Siddons himself was an aggressive batter.. I cannot think for a moment he isn't trying to get the batters hitting big boundaries and being positive. It looks like we just all lose our heads in the PP and that is a problem with the team and not the coaching or management.

As fans we should remember that everyone around the team has coached or played at International level with teams higher ranked than us. The new staff has already made a huge impact.

It takes time for players to understand how to win and the team is learning. I don't think we can just find a finisher. One of them has to be developed. The priority has been the fielding and the pace bowling by the look of it and what a result! Next I am sure it will be PP?

Rifat
October 20, 2010, 09:38 PM
It's Ashraful....not Ashrafool. Mind respecting others name?

:up:

++1

max410
October 21, 2010, 12:59 AM
We need to fix the batting powerplay problems right now its a must in one day cricket and maybe siddons can help them to train for that

BANFAN
October 21, 2010, 02:05 AM
Someone mentioned in a thread about using Ash as #7 or #8 batsman and I didn’t think the idea was discussed enough to use him as a spinner who can bat in place of Shuvo?

I know some of you will kill me for bringing this up but Shuvo is not anything special. True he was out standing in one of the matches and bowled fairly ok in others, but to be honest, NZ was so subpar this series that I wouldn’t rate his success in this series as a yardstick to consider him for the WC best 11.

Instead, if we have Ash in #8 or #7 depending on match situation and give him the license to kill, chances are he will score some quick fire 30s or 40s taking advantage of the powerplay situation. Where as batting wise, Shuvo is just not international standard and his bowling being not so special, I see him as a mediocre player. And with Mahmudullah not able to hit at all, we have no option but to have someone in our team who can hit and has all the shots in the book to take advantage of the powerplay. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=I know it’s against common sense to use a proper (sorry I had use the word “PROPER” in relation to Ash :-p) batsman at #7 or 8 position but Ash is anything but. He’s got the technique, the know hows, but he doesn’t know which shot to play. If he’s given the chance to hit out and is also used as a bowler, I think he will add more value than Shuvo. All Shak needs to do is use Ash and Mahmudullah as the fifth bowler and use them earlier part of the game so they are not under pressure right from the start. Once they gain confidence they will definitely serve well as the 5<SUP>th</SUP> and the 6<SUP>th</SUP> bowler. Remember, Ash started his career as a bowler……so why not ask him to be a bowling allrounder who can exploit the batting powerplay.<o:p></o:p>

Can you imagine knowing that we still have Ash in our disposal after losing 6-7 wickets? I know he hasn’t proved his true ability with the bat but he has the “what if” factor that plays on every ones mind, including the oppositions’ bowlers. And with a fit Mash back in the team, we can definitely make each and every powerplay count. So why not give this a go against Zim and see if it works?<o:p></o:p>

Your analysis is good. But it is always risky to count on Ash. Unless he can prove his consistency in the domestic tournaments beyond any doubt. Alok, I dodn't know if he is fit or not. if he is fit, he could be a goo dchoice for ODIs. But again will depend on his current form in NCL.

firstlane
October 21, 2010, 02:07 AM
Someone mentioned in a thread about using Ash as #7 or #8 batsman and I didn’t think the idea was discussed enough to use him as a spinner who can bat in place of Shuvo?

I know some of you will kill me for bringing this up but Shuvo is not anything special. True he was out standing in one of the matches and bowled fairly ok in others, but to be honest, NZ was so subpar this series that I wouldn’t rate his success in this series as a yardstick to consider him for the WC best 11.

Instead, if we have Ash in #8 or #7 depending on match situation and give him the license to kill, chances are he will score some quick fire 30s or 40s taking advantage of the powerplay situation. Where as batting wise, Shuvo is just not international standard and his bowling being not so special, I see him as a mediocre player. And with Mahmudullah not able to hit at all, we have no option but to have someone in our team who can hit and has all the shots in the book to take advantage of the powerplay. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=I know it’s against common sense to use a proper (sorry I had use the word “PROPER” in relation to Ash :-p) batsman at #7 or 8 position but Ash is anything but. He’s got the technique, the know hows, but he doesn’t know which shot to play. If he’s given the chance to hit out and is also used as a bowler, I think he will add more value than Shuvo. All Shak needs to do is use Ash and Mahmudullah as the fifth bowler and use them earlier part of the game so they are not under pressure right from the start. Once they gain confidence they will definitely serve well as the 5<SUP>th</SUP> and the 6<SUP>th</SUP> bowler. Remember, Ash started his career as a bowler……so why not ask him to be a bowling allrounder who can exploit the batting powerplay.<o:p></o:p>

Can you imagine knowing that we still have Ash in our disposal after losing 6-7 wickets? I know he hasn’t proved his true ability with the bat but he has the “what if” factor that plays on every ones mind, including the oppositions’ bowlers. And with a fit Mash back in the team, we can definitely make each and every powerplay count. So why not give this a go against Zim and see if it works?<o:p></o:p>

Very sensible post. Agree with everything you said about Ash & Suhrawardi.

lamisa
October 21, 2010, 02:32 AM
kapali if he performs in domestic.i am not up for jahurul to bat at 7 coz he's an opener.psh him solow down te order and he fails,u will all be screaming for his head like riyad and naeem.

lamisa
October 21, 2010, 02:38 AM
see,with ashlately,he's always in 2 minds,whether to block or hit.he's either to defensive or too aggresive.whenever he tries to hit the ball,it's always after starting his innings in snail pace...so unless he really outdoes himselfthis season,i wouldn't want him to be in the team...

nahaz
October 21, 2010, 02:55 AM
It's Ashraful....not Ashrafool. Mind respecting others name?

Maybe some people don't get enough respect themselves in real life, that's why they like to put others down... especially looking at Rubu's comments.

What's Ashraful ever done to you? He might not be as talented as the top 3 cricketers in the team now, but he is still one of the most talented god-gifted 50 people in Bangladesh (assuming some are not cricketers). He's given way more to the country than almost any doctor has, most engineers or lawyers have. So show some respect. I'm sure you wouldn't do this to the specialist doctors you go and see once in a while.. they tear your ears apart trying to test your ear and all you say is thank you..here's my week's earnings for your three minutes of trouble.

These cricketers have to be constantly improving their craft an are constantly being criticised..not an easy job.

aosaif
October 21, 2010, 04:43 AM
I agree with betaar's sound analysis of Ashraful. But the team should always be picked on prior performance, so Ashraful will have to perform extremely well in the upcoming NCL to prove that he's got his confidence back. He will definitely not be assuming any role higher than No. 6 batsman. Having him around for overs 35-50 could prove to be just what we need to reach the 270-280 mark that we've been threatening to reach several times now....only to run out power hitting potential.

People should not lose sight of our longer term goals though and I can assure you that it will be a long time before Ashraful gets back into the Test squad. I certaily would not support his inclusion in the most mentally degrading form the game.

cricket_king
October 21, 2010, 04:50 AM
Yes, let's all waste a batsman of Shuvagoto Hom's capabilities as a finisher, as if we have 6 other batsmen like him in the top-order.

Send an idiot like Aftab there. I'm sure he can get us a quick few. Maybe even Nazimuddin. Both are essentially the same thing.

hoax
October 21, 2010, 05:47 AM
He might not be as talented as the top 3 cricketers in the team now, but he is still one of the most talented god-gifted 50 people in Bangladesh

i'll take this line of u as a joke!!(dont mind:-p)

I have nothing against ashraful.he gave us the biggest win of our short cricketing career the win vs aus!..and if he can bat that confidently he'll be a biggest asset for our team than shakib yes u heard it right SHAKIB...

but there are Fools who never learn from their mistakes..The guy named Ashrafool is that fool:mad:

nahaz
October 21, 2010, 06:12 AM
Anyway, Ashraful or not, we definitely need a finisher...Shakib is coming back as a finisher...We need someone to go in at No.6 and do that job...both Riyad and Naeem are pretty bad at it...however, Riyad at least can hold one end. Rakib is terrible. He should be the first one to go.

So with Tamim in, Nafees out. Jahurul to replace Zunaed??? Rakib out (please). Shakib at 5 and Mushfique at 6/7. Soemone else at 6/7. So we have the above choices. Its a pity we never tried Nazim. However, its now too late to try a brand new batsmen, or one totally out of form.

Sakibssmc
October 21, 2010, 06:30 AM
I honestly think ash cn do a much better job than shuvo. 5 overz of bowling for bowt 20-23 runs, 30-40 quick fire runs. . . . .i thnk ash is more than capable of that.
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beshideshi
October 21, 2010, 06:43 AM
i don't think we should say stuff like "Shuvo is useless" yet. He has fc/list A bowling average of 20~, and even if you are playing cricket in Iceland, that is a mighty impressive average. Remember Shakib when he started in international cricket? Give shuvo few more games before calling him off.
And people, please don't disrespect Ashraful. He has gifted us with some of the most cherish-able moments in our lives, only because he is having a tough time finding himself doesn't mean we will say whatever we want. I am pretty sure he will be wearing a green jersey during the world cup.

And about finisher, I think Aftab Ahmed would be the #1 choice, Alok Kapali or hitters like Ziaur Rahman could be tried, but no point wasting a proper batsman at #7/8.

Shaan
October 21, 2010, 06:57 AM
kapali can be considered..
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aosaif
October 21, 2010, 07:19 AM
i don't think we should say stuff like "Shuvo is useless" yet. He has fc/list A bowling average of 20~, and even if you are playing cricket in Iceland, that is a mighty impressive average. Remember Shakib when he started in international cricket? Give shuvo few more games before calling him off.
And people, please don't disrespect Ashraful. He has gifted us with some of the most cherish-able moments in our lives, only because he is having a tough time finding himself doesn't mean we will say whatever we want. I am pretty sure he will be wearing a green jersey during the world cup.

And about finisher, I think Aftab Ahmed would be the #1 choice, Alok Kapali or hitters like Ziaur Rahman could be tried, but no point wasting a proper batsman at #7/8.

I think you're living in the past my friend. Aftab is a terrible choice for international cricket in general. If you see the way he gets out......it's embaressing. He's either getting bowled after completely missing the line or getting a faint nick to the keeper. At least wish ashraful.....he gets himself out by hitting to a fielder albeit through a rash shot.

As for alok kapali....need to see some good domestic performances before he can be drafted in.

beshideshi
October 21, 2010, 07:41 AM
I think you're living in the past my friend. Aftab is a terrible choice for international cricket in general. If you see the way he gets out......it's embaressing. He's either getting bowled after completely missing the line or getting a faint nick to the keeper. At least wish ashraful.....he gets himself out by hitting to a fielder albeit through a rash shot.

As for alok kapali....need to see some good domestic performances before he can be drafted in.

To be honest, no names were coming up in my mind. I can't recall one Bangladeshi player with good hitting capabilities. Specially considering my lack of knowledge about domestic circuit.

Sohel
October 21, 2010, 08:44 AM
We have a number of big hitters likely to stay as such on domestic pitches in theory, but they have other issues that must be considered before considering them. Amongst bowlers:

1. Tapash (erratic bowling, doubt anyone can help him).

2. Milon (mediocre bowling, maybe Pont can help him).

3. Zia (mediocre bowling, maybe Pont can help him).

4. Dollar (mediocre bowling, maybe Pont can help him).

5. Robbin (excellent initial 3 overs then pure shite, maybe Pont can help him).

6. Shubhashish (newbie, Pont WILL improve his bowling in terms of pace, line and length).

7. Forhad Reza (mediocre bowling, I doubt anyone can help him).

8. Sabbir Rahman Rumman (newbie who can bat in the middle order also, and though he's a slow bowler Pont will make him better).

Amongst batsmen:

1. Motin (proven failure at the highest level because of psychosomatic issues).

2. Aftab (proven failure at the highest level because of basic IQ issues).

3. Alok (emotionally unreliable and unstable, a fact made worse by higher expectations of him).

4. Nayeem (sissyfied).

5. Imroze (if Motin and Aftab can be considered as finishers, so can he. Sadly, he's double sissyfied).

6. Riyad (not really a finisher, but before becoming triple sissyfied, could hit a few after taking his sweet time "settling-in").

7. Shubhagoto (23-YO newbie, can bat anywhere, voted for him).

Tiger444
October 21, 2010, 08:53 AM
I'm not not gonna vote because honestly I don't see a good finisher for us..

rinathq
October 21, 2010, 10:37 AM
The reason why we have been so unsuccessful in PPs is because the board keeps bringing in consistent and defensive players. our PP hitters are Mahmudullah, Naeem, Faisal, Mushy, Shuvo etc etc. The choices are very ironic for all these batsmen are there to play defensive and prevent collapses not hit it out of the ground. We need a complete new set of players for this position. I dunt find Ash here. He can play over the top and he is expert at "bizzare" shots! However, the correct candidate would be players like Alok Kapali, Aftab Ahmed, Niazumuddin. These 3 can be tried during the PPs at ZIM and the best 2 should be kept at the squad and 1 out of them at the lineup. If Mash returns, he will be an ideal PP knocker and he can assist the other players. We dunt need 5 overs of crazy slogging. 2-3 good overs would take out score from 230 to 260. and the more we get the better.

ashraful1
October 21, 2010, 10:38 AM
I personally think the biggest problem why we don't get the big scores after a good start is because we take te powerplay to late, why not take it after 40 overs or even 35, best example is the 2nd odi against new zealand yes we won the match and why great victory it was, but the honest truth is we should of got 280 after shakibs 100, but my choice for finishers is riyad I think he's going to cm good soon
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Raynman
October 21, 2010, 10:45 AM
We easily lose sight of the fact that one boundary + 5 singles an over is 9.0 or 45 runsi n the powerplay.

It is not a must to hit 4s and 6s but to not let balls go to waste.

rinathq brings up a good point of padding the team with 'Just in case we crumble' backups instead of putting the right players at the righ position.

roman
October 21, 2010, 10:53 AM
Bring Back Ash/Kapali and dont wait for the last few overs to take the powerplay. Guys like Shuvo or Johurul should not be tested there. But I want JS to work with Shafiul's batting. This guy can hit the ball hard...

MarufH
October 21, 2010, 10:59 AM
Two words: Shuvagoto Hom

Raynman
October 21, 2010, 11:00 AM
I always get confused when Shakib is having a good day with the bat there comes a moment where he gets tired or loses focus and usually gets out going for a big shot or a soft catch to a close fielder. Why doesn't he take the powerplay when he knows he needs a break from quick singles and he is already set as a batsman.

Fazal
October 21, 2010, 11:30 AM
I say bring back Taposh Baisob or un-retire Rafiq.

roman
October 21, 2010, 11:43 AM
I really feel sorry for Ash. Few days ago he was our #1 batsman and now look at this...we are discussing about whether we can let him bat at #7 or not. Thats life I guess..

Tanjim
October 21, 2010, 11:44 AM
I think Javed Omor can be a good finisher.He has the ability to play from first to last of the innings.
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Tiger444
October 21, 2010, 11:53 AM
I really feel sorry for Ash. Few days ago he was our #1 batsman and now look at this...we are discussing about whether we can let him bat at #7 or not. Thats life I guess..

Not really that sad..if he can somehow manage to be a good #7 then it can really help the team and also salvage Ash's career..I mean look at Afridi..this guy was a bust with the bat for a while but now he's become a good finisher for Pakistan..I mean his average is horrible but his SR is around 110 and then also has become a pretty handy bowler..we need players that can have 100+ SR but unfortunately there is none in our team..if I were Ash I would really focus on bowling and concentrate on power hitting..I think thats the only way he can be on the team since we already have better top order batsmen then him..but it seems he's not gonna do that which is why I'm not for having Ash at #7..

Beamer
October 21, 2010, 12:05 PM
Finisher or whatever you call it, but we desperately need a batsman ( not slogger ) or two who can accelerate in the batting PP's, and definitely at no.6 and no.7 if we continue to take the PP's in the 46th over. This is a huge issue and our inability to do something about it will surely get exposed in future. I know some of you will say that I am a JS lover, or apologist, or whatever other adjectives that your imagination cultivates, but I have been consistent in my criticism of him in that regard. His strategy is to play 50 overs and target around 240 to defend. Hence, he has guys like Rahim and Riyad, who are stable hands and more likely to stick around until the 50th, rather than going for broke in those crucial PP overs. We bowled and fielded out of our skins against NZ and defended lower targets every time, but that will not be the case every time. Actually, I can say that it will not be the case every time. Assuming JS sticks to his plans of taking PP's at the 46th without exception, then he better have the right guys to at least give us a better return. Its also unfair on Rahim and Riyad. They are just not that type of batsmen. Riyad is a top order batsman, and he has done well for us in tests, but at 7, he is a complete waste. Ditto for Rahim at no.6. And, those are the two guys we are looking at to give us momentum in PP's! There is nothing that indicates to our flexibility on PP's. The sample size is enough and it points to the fact that we will take it on the 46th. If he is not going to deviate from that plan, then I suggest he moves Riyad to no.4 ( at the expense of Raqibul, who is not doing the job and Riyad can at least give us a few overs ) and sit Rahim for one dayers for Jahurul at no.6. There are many great players in the world who makes way for lesser but more job specific specialists in one dayers. Now, at no.7, we should monitor closely in NCL for players who are doing well in that positions. If you are no.3 and scoring 100's, that don't necessarily mean you are suitable for the job at no.7 with the specific task of playing PP overs. I think a variety of candidates can be looked at. Some one who can also give a few decent overs will have a front foot in the door. Naeem, Alok, Hom, and even Ash will have my attention. The team has no power in lower middle order, yet we keep on taking PP's with powerless players. And, of course, a predictable PP helps the opponent with their bowling game plan as well. We should have confidence now in our players that we can be reasonably dependent on them and take PP's when we want to take it. I think we have achieved the first goal, now its time to set the bar higher.

betaar
October 21, 2010, 12:10 PM
If I were Ash I would really focus on bowling and concentrate on power hitting..I think thats the only way he can be on the team since we already have better top order batsmen then him..but it seems he's not gonna do that which is why I'm not for having Ash at #7..

I don't think it's totally up to Ash to change his role in the team. A player cannot over night change his role, it's the mgmt or the captain that has to create the opportunity for him.
Ash, first, has to be drafted in to the team and then given the license to hit. His confidence also has to be built as a bowler by bringing him early, let's say right after the bowling power play is over, and let him get through couple of overs. By bringin him fairly early captain will show that he's got faith in him Ash needs to know that he's not just being used as a "if all else fails" bowler. You'd be surprised what confidence of a captain or the lack there of can do to the confidence of a player.

roman
October 21, 2010, 12:12 PM
Not really that sad..if he can somehow manage to be a good #7 then it can really help the team and also salvage Ash's career..I mean look at Afridi..this guy was a bust with the bat for a while but now he's become a good finisher for Pakistan..I mean his average is horrible but his SR is around 110 and then also has become a pretty handy bowler..we need players that can have 100+ SR but unfortunately there is none in our team..if I were Ash I would really focus on bowling and concentrate on power hitting..I think thats the only way he can be on the team since we already have better top order batsmen then him..but it seems he's not gonna do that which is why I'm not for having Ash at #7..

Bro If Ash can score a quick 30/40 runs at the end and if I know our team management correctly, I am sure they will bring him up the order again..And the same saga will continue :)

M.H.Rubel
October 21, 2010, 12:36 PM
first question is when we should take our powerplay ??? should we always wait for the 46th over and expect the no 7 or PP specialist will come to bat at that time ???

we should have flexibilty. and all our batsman should be trained to make use of PP, starting from Rock to tamim

IMO first we need to produce 2 batsman atleast one capable of using power play.Then we can think of using powerplay earlier.As we dont have good players who can use powerplay,it will be suicidial to take it earlier.But definately powerplay overs should be flexible.
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mac
October 21, 2010, 01:01 PM
Voted for kapali, though won't mind Shuvagoto either.

M.H.Rubel
October 21, 2010, 01:37 PM
Tnx howx for a good thread with pool.Anyway lot of voters want S.D.Hom as a finisher.I have heard very little about this guy and never seen him.Is he a big hitter?Can he play lofted shots?Any one can enlighten me please?
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shuziburo
October 21, 2010, 02:23 PM
I'm not not gonna vote because honestly I don't see a good finisher for us..

I almost concur. Having said that, Mash can hit. So, can Shahadat, but he will not make the team ahead of Rubel and Shafiul. In fact, Shafiul should be given extra batting lesson. I felt that he might be able to provide some fire power if properly taught. I hope...

In fact, we should try to keep wickets in hand until the 35th over and then the set batsmen should take the PP. There is no point on waiting until the 46th over and getting crushed in what should be the batsmen's advantage.

shuziburo
October 21, 2010, 02:27 PM
The reason why we have been so unsuccessful in PPs is because the board keeps bringing in consistent and defensive players. our PP hitters are Mahmudullah, Naeem, Faisal, Mushy, Shuvo etc etc. The choices are very ironic for all these batsmen are there to play defensive and prevent collapses not hit it out of the ground. We need a complete new set of players for this position. I dunt find Ash here. He can play over the top and he is expert at "bizzare" shots! However, the correct candidate would be players like Alok Kapali, Aftab Ahmed, Niazumuddin. These 3 can be tried during the PPs at ZIM and the best 2 should be kept at the squad and 1 out of them at the lineup. If Mash returns, he will be an ideal PP knocker and he can assist the other players. We dunt need 5 overs of crazy slogging. 2-3 good overs would take out score from 230 to 260. and the more we get the better.

Whoever is used during PP should be able to make the team first. Most of these players may not even make the team, even if some of them are considered power hitters. That is where having Mash helps. Alternatively, the lower order can be given extra batting lessons. You can learn to be a batsman. Example, Shahadat. He became a serviceable tailender after being a duck-producing machine earlier.

roman
October 21, 2010, 02:46 PM
অলক, আফতাবের আশা-হতাশার অঙ্ক

মাঝে একবার খবরের শিরোনাম হয়েছিলেন। তবে সেটা ক্রিকেটীয় কারণে নয়। গত মার্চে দেশের মাটিতে ইংল্যান্ডের বিপক্ষে টেস্ট ও ওয়ানডে খেলে সেই যে বাদ পড়লেন, তাঁর আর কোনো খবরই নেই। তবে আফতাব আহমেদের আবারও 'খবর' হওয়ার ব্যাকুলতা ঠিকই আছে। ২৩ অক্টোবর জাতীয় লিগের ওয়ানডে আসর শুরুর দিন মিরপুর শেরেবাংলা স্টেডিয়ামে ঢাকা-চট্টগ্রাম ম্যাচ। সেটি খেলতে কাল সন্ধ্যায় ঢাকার পথেই থাকা চট্টগ্রামের এ ব্যাটসম্যান বলছিলেন, 'আমি হারিয়ে যাইনি। হুট করেই একদিন দেখবেন জ্বলে উঠেছি।'
আর কয়েক মাস পরই দেশের মাঠে বিশ্বকাপ। একসময় যাঁরা ছিলেন জাতীয় দলে অপরিহার্য, তাঁদের স্বপ্নে তাই বিশ্বকাপ উঁকি না দিয়ে পারে না। আফতাবের মতো অলক কাপালিও এর ব্যতিক্রম নন। অবশ্য তাঁরা দুজনই জানেন, বিশ্বকাপ স্কোয়াডে ঠাঁই করে নিতে হলে জ্বলে ওঠারও কোনো বিকল্প নেই। কিন্তু দলে জায়গা থাকতে হবে তো! এ প্রশ্ন সামনে এসে জ্বলে ওঠা মনের আশা আবার ধপ করে নিভেও গেছে বারবারই। তবুও আইসিএল-ফেরত এ দুই ক্রিকেটারের জন্য একটা 'লাইফ লাইন' কিন্তু আছেই। নিউজিল্যান্ডের বিপক্ষে বাংলাদেশের ইতিহাসের সবচেয়ে স্মরণীয় সাফল্যও যে দলের মিডল অর্ডারের ব্যর্থতা আড়াল করতে পারেনি। এক সাকিব আল হাসানকে বাদ দিলে মিডল অর্ডারের আর কাউকেই সফল বলার উপায় নেই।
অন্যদের ব্যর্থতাই আফতাব-অলকদের জন্য 'উপায়' একটা বের করে রেখেছে। চর্মচক্ষে সেটি দেখতেও পাচ্ছেন ২০০৮ সালের সেপ্টেম্বরে (ডারউইনে অস্ট্রেলিয়ার বিপক্ষে ওয়ানডে ম্যাচে) বাংলাদেশের হয়ে শেষবার মাঠে নামা অলক, 'সবাই এখন বলাবলি করছেন যে বাংলাদেশ দলের মিডল অর্ডারে সমস্যা আছে। আশরাফুল, আফতাব কিংবা আমার জন্য তো এটা একটা সুযোগই। যারা পারফর্ম করেনি, ওদের চেয়ে ভালো করে যদি জায়গাটা নিতে পারি।' প্রধান নির্বাচক রফিকুল আলমও জানিয়ে রাখলেন, দলের বাইরে থাকা এ ক্রিকেটারদের দলে ফেরার সুযোগ এখনো 'ওয়াইড ওপেন'।
বিশেষ করে আফতাব-অলকদের সামনে আরেক আইসিএল-ফেরত শাহরিয়ার নাফীসকেই উদাহরণ হিসেবে দাঁড় করাচ্ছেন তিনি, 'ওরা কেউই আমাদের বিবেচনার বাইরে নয়। নাফীসের কথাই ধরুন না। নিউজিল্যান্ড সিরিজের আগে ওরও তো খেলার সম্ভাবনা ছিল সামান্যই।' কবজিতে অস্ত্রোপচার করিয়ে এসে তামিম ইকবাল পুনর্বাসনপ্রক্রি ার মধ্যে থাকায়ই না অপ্রত্যাশিত একটা সুযোগ মিলে গিয়েছিল নাফীসের। সেটি কাজে লাগিয়েই দেশের মাঠে বিশ্বকাপ খেলার সম্ভাবনা উজ্জ্বল করে রেখেছেন এ বাঁহাতি ব্যাটসম্যান। অলকও পাখির চোখ করেছেন বিশ্বকাপকেই, 'জিম্বাবুয়ে সিরিজেই সুযোগ পাওয়ার আশা করছি না। তবে নিজের দেশে বিশ্বকাপ খেলার স্বপ্ন তো দেখিই।'
এখন জাতীয় লিগের ওয়ানডে আছে। জিম্বাবুয়ে সিরিজের পর বিশ্বকাপের আগে শুধুই প্রিমিয়ার লিগ। নিউজিল্যান্ড সিরিজের জন্য ২৬ জনের প্রাথমিক দলে না থাকলেও এক নির্বাচক তাঁকে ফোন করে জানিয়েছিলেন, পারফর্ম করতে পারলে সুযোগ দেওয়া হবে। নিউজিল্যান্ডকে হোয়াইটওয়াশ করার পর সাবেক প্রধান নির্বাচক ফারুক আহমেদকে এক টেলিভিশনে বলতে শুনেছেন, 'দলের বাইরে পরীক্ষিত কয়েকজন আছে। মিডল অর্ডারের জন্য যাদের বিবেচনা করা যেতে পারে।' শুনে অনুপ্রাণিত অলককে তাঁর অনেক ভক্তও বলেন, 'আপনি দলে থাকলে ভালো হয়।' কিন্তু অলক জানেন, 'আমি থাকলে তখনই ভালো হয়, যদি পারফর্ম করতে পারি। কাজেই দলে ঢুকতে হলে আমাকে অন্য অনেকের চেয়ে ভালো করেই আসতে হবে।' আফতাবের কাছে দলে ফেরার সমীকরণটা এমন, 'সবাইকে বিট করেই আসতে হবে। অন্যদের সঙ্গে পারফরম্যান্সের তফাত উনিশ-বিশ হলে হবে না। পনের-বিশ হতে হবে।'
সে রকম হলে আফতাব-অলকের জন্য জাতীয় দলের দরজা খুলে রাখতে একটুও দ্বিধা নেই রফিকুলের। কারণ এঁদের সম্পর্কে শেষ কথা তো বলেই রেখেছেন, 'ওদের তো প্রমাণ করার কিছু নেই। কিন্তু ফিটনেস ঠিক রাখার সঙ্গে সঙ্গে পারফর্ম করতে হবে। এবং ফর্মে থাকতে হবে।' তাহলে আবার নিয়মিত 'খবর' হতে থাকবেন তাঁরা।

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hoax
October 21, 2010, 10:40 PM
I really feel sorry for Ash. Few days ago he was our #1 batsman and now look at this...we are discussing about whether we can let him bat at #7 or not. Thats life I guess..

he has only himself to blame for that

nice article about aftab and alok..although i didn't add aftab in the poll he can be a good no 7 for us...regarding 1st bowlers usually bowl in the slog overs and he is a good player of fast bowling

lamisa
October 22, 2010, 12:08 AM
^^^yes ash is the perfect man for the slogging job.fits into all the requirements,lazy,idle,doesn't want to move baout much and just hit at whatever is coming at him!

Dilscoop
October 22, 2010, 01:30 AM
Hey hey hey now, we may hate Ashraful's gut, but that man is NOT lazy. He is not idle. He definitely gives 100% effort while he is in there. He is just a screw up in the head. Those can apply to guys like Aftab and Alok, even SN. If you watched SN field this series, you would know. With everyone improving as a fielder, he made the OLD Razzak better.

hoodlum
October 22, 2010, 03:36 AM
Kapali was not given a chance...would like to see him

fiasnahk
October 22, 2010, 06:46 AM
Why is everyone mentioning asstheful? When was the last time he actually made a quick 50 runs? 2 years back against india in a test match? He sucks big time lately, and will use up 10-15 balls and then get out, trust me. If he does get a quick 30, then its worse cuz the BCB will think hes god again and put him back at 4 for another year. If we say he 'can' hit the big ones, then bring back farhad reza, or some other loser, they also 'can' hit the big ones. Its hitting them consistently, like cameron white, pollard, abdul razzak, oram, raina can do, that makes a difference. The only option right now is to stick with riyad, at least he has some kind of frame to suggest that he can hit sixes.

hoax
October 25, 2010, 04:14 AM
well i guess people want ash...

lamisa
October 25, 2010, 10:11 AM
Hey hey hey now, we may hate Ashraful's gut, but that man is NOT lazy. He is not idle. He definitely gives 100% effort while he is in there. He is just a screw up in the head. Those can apply to guys like Aftab and Alok, even SN. If you watched SN field this series, you would know. With everyone improving as a fielder, he made the OLD Razzak better.

sorry,i meant to write aftab...

Rifat
October 25, 2010, 06:49 PM
Finisher or whatever you call it, but we desperately need a batsman ( not slogger ) or two who can accelerate in the batting PP's, and definitely at no.6 and no.7 if we continue to take the PP's in the 46th over. This is a huge issue and our inability to do something about it will surely get exposed in future. I know some of you will say that I am a JS lover, or apologist, or whatever other adjectives that your imagination cultivates, but I have been consistent in my criticism of him in that regard. His strategy is to play 50 overs and target around 240 to defend. Hence, he has guys like Rahim and Riyad, who are stable hands and more likely to stick around until the 50th, rather than going for broke in those crucial PP overs. We bowled and fielded out of our skins against NZ and defended lower targets every time, but that will not be the case every time. Actually, I can say that it will not be the case every time. Assuming JS sticks to his plans of taking PP's at the 46th without exception, then he better have the right guys to at least give us a better return. Its also unfair on Rahim and Riyad. They are just not that type of batsmen. Riyad is a top order batsman, and he has done well for us in tests, but at 7, he is a complete waste. Ditto for Rahim at no.6. And, those are the two guys we are looking at to give us momentum in PP's! There is nothing that indicates to our flexibility on PP's. The sample size is enough and it points to the fact that we will take it on the 46th. If he is not going to deviate from that plan, then I suggest he moves Riyad to no.4 ( at the expense of Raqibul, who is not doing the job and Riyad can at least give us a few overs ) and sit Rahim for one dayers for Jahurul at no.6. There are many great players in the world who makes way for lesser but more job specific specialists in one dayers. Now, at no.7, we should monitor closely in NCL for players who are doing well in that positions. If you are no.3 and scoring 100's, that don't necessarily mean you are suitable for the job at no.7 with the specific task of playing PP overs. I think a variety of candidates can be looked at. Some one who can also give a few decent overs will have a front foot in the door. Naeem, Alok, Hom, and even Ash will have my attention. The team has no power in lower middle order, yet we keep on taking PP's with powerless players. And, of course, a predictable PP helps the opponent with their bowling game plan as well. We should have confidence now in our players that we can be reasonably dependent on them and take PP's when we want to take it. I think we have achieved the first goal, now its time to set the bar higher.

very well said Beamer Bhai :clap:

Rifat
October 25, 2010, 06:53 PM
Yes, let's all waste a batsman of Shuvagoto Hom's capabilities as a finisher, as if we have 6 other batsmen like him in the top-order.

Send an idiot like Aftab there. I'm sure he can get us a quick few. Maybe even Nazimuddin. Both are essentially the same thing.

a new player trying to settle in to the national team, it is not necessarily a bad idea to motivate him to give him one task:

"Bat freely and score us some quickfire runs"

munnabhai
October 25, 2010, 07:52 PM
Yes, let's all waste a batsman of Shuvagoto Hom's capabilities as a finisher, as if we have 6 other batsmen like him in the top-order.

Send an idiot like Aftab there. I'm sure he can get us a quick few. Maybe even Nazimuddin. Both are essentially the same thing.

Nazimuddin is a better batsman than Aftab, Nazim can be a finisher though, Aftab will be a waste at the lower order, he will throw his wicket away. Aftab and Ashraful should be 500 metres away from the stadium, they are the worst batsmen Bangladesh have ever produced. Nazimuddin will do well under a good batting coach, Siddons is the man

Tiger444
October 25, 2010, 10:46 PM
A gadha/ram chagol like Aftab should not even play as a finisher for the national team..the guy is just a blind slogger and a good finisher needs to be a sensible batsman..a good finisher in my book bats sensibly and can hit balls for boundaries but also rotate the strike on a consistent basis..Ash is even slower then Roqibul nowadays so that won't work either..Riyad's just not a player that can be a finisher in ODIs but is a big must for tests..I see only Shuvagoto being the only guy who could be a a solid finisher for us..

Tigers_eye
October 25, 2010, 10:55 PM
Dear Hoax and others,
We do not need a finisher badly. What we have is good enough. Hence I did not vote. Allow me to explain.

We need a #3 and a #4 who can bat responsibly. Punish the bad ball, play the balls on it merit, do not gift your wicket. It is not that hard ask in these pitches. All our problem will go away because then Shakib, Riyad and Mushi will become the finisher. You know how fast Shakib can shift gears as well as rotate strike.

Dilscoop
October 25, 2010, 11:14 PM
^ Disagree on Mushi becoming a finisher. His technic can be used at #4, as you said "punish the bad ball, play balls to it's merit, and not gift your wicket away." When was the last time you saw Rahim gift his wicket? He got out trying to slog almost all the time, and proved his not the guy for this job. He has grit. He is perfect for #4. Jahurul can bat where Musi bats now in ODI, and at #4 in test.

Screw Rokibul

Tigers_eye
October 25, 2010, 11:47 PM
...When was the last time you saw Rahim gift his wicket?
Is there any batsmen in BD lineup who hasn't gifted his wicket away (in any era)?
He got out trying to slog almost all the time, and proved his not the guy for this job. He has grit. He is perfect for #4. Jahurul can bat where Musi bats now in ODI, and at #4 in test...
I have seen enough of Mushi to tell you that he can be a finisher. In my book, Finisher is not equal to slogger. In his early days, playing with Bashar with 7 down and runrate already climbed above 8, he played the perfect role as a finisher and made sure we get the first white wash against a nation. All this talk barring he is in the team. My First choice as a WK is Jahurul. However, knowing management, they would not change anything.

At this point, to me, trying to find someone as a finisher is waste of time (so close to WC). Instead, we need to find the perfect #3 and #4 where there is a huge problem. All problems will be solved if we can do that.

Dilscoop
October 26, 2010, 12:25 AM
In that case, I feel sorry for Rahim, as his avg will never improve or go beyond 25. I do hope the coach and the selectors realizes Rahim's ability and send him up the order to build and pace his innings in the middle. Playing as a finisher is only wasting his talent.

And true, finisher doesn't mean slogger. Finisher means, clever and foxy cricket like Bevan, Hussey, Morgan who can hit biggies playing proper cricket shots, keep RR high and able to manipulate the field. But that doesn't mean a finisher isn't someone who is just beast enough to clear the rope with power, ex Lance Klusener, Cameron White, Pollard.

mac
October 26, 2010, 12:30 AM
In that case, I feel sorry for Rahim, as his avg will never improve or go beyond 25. I do hope the coach and the selectors realizes Rahim's ability and send him up the order to build and pace his innings in the middle. Playing as a finisher is only wasting his talent.

And true, finisher doesn't mean slogger. Finisher means, clever and foxy cricket like Bevan, Hussey, Morgan who can hit biggies playing proper cricket shots, keep RR high and able to manipulate the field. But that doesn't mean a finisher isn't someone who is just beast enough to clear the rope with power, ex Lance Klusener, Cameron White, Pollard.

Exactly, don't know why Mushy was demoted after the Eng home series. He played quite well in number 5 with a healthy SR.

hoax
October 26, 2010, 02:39 AM
Dear Hoax and others,
We do not need a finisher badly. What we have is good enough. Hence I did not vote. Allow me to explain.

We need a #3 and a #4 who can bat responsibly. Punish the bad ball, play the balls on it merit, do not gift your wicket. It is not that hard ask in these pitches. All our problem will go away because then Shakib, Riyad and Mushi will become the finisher. You know how fast Shakib can shift gears as well as rotate strike.

certainly we need a solid no 3 and 4 but we also need a finisher too

for example:M yusuf is a solid no 4 batsman who will not give his wicket away and rotate the strike..but can u depend on him to take the score from 200 in 40 to 389/290 in 50?
thats where players like afredi and abdur razzak comes in the point:)

Tigers_eye
October 26, 2010, 05:25 PM
Afridi can only play their game when Moyo plays his game. Otherwise he is of no use.

Holden
October 26, 2010, 06:02 PM
I wrote this in another thread but what do you think of this line-up:-

Tamim
Imrul
Mushy
Naeem
Riyad/Jahrul
Shakib
Finisher
Bowler1
Bowler2
Bowler3
Bowler4

where the finisher can be chosen from Ashraful, Shuvogoto Hom, Nazimuddin, Aftab, Kapali, Nasir Hossain etc
The four bowlers would be chosen from Mashrafe, Razzak, Rubel, Shafiul and Shuvo depending on fitness and pitch condition. To me this looks a very good team on paper, it has good balance and the batsmen can play aggressively or defensively depending on the situation.

Dilscoop
October 26, 2010, 06:20 PM
certainly we need a solid no 3 and 4 but we also need a finisher too

for example:M yusuf is a solid no 4 batsman who will not give his wicket away and rotate the strike..but can u depend on him to take the score from 200 in 40 to 389/290 in 50?
thats where players like afredi and abdur razzak comes in the point:)
Also guys like Gayle, Sehwag, Hayden, Tamim big hitters won't make a good finisher, even though they are big hitters.

Afridi can only play their game when Moyo plays his game. Otherwise he is of no use.

And that's a whole another topic. Completely different from what we were arguing about. :-|

Jadukor
October 27, 2010, 01:24 AM
Voted for Kapali...
I think a guy who can score big in a T-20 game has the right temperment and shots to be in the position of the finisher... and If anyone has any doubt about Kapali's range of strokes then they just have to watch his century in the ICL...

People might say that was long time back..he is not the same etc...but the fact is cricketers reach their prime when they mature...and there is no way age/reflexes can be an issue with Kapali who isn't even 30... there is no doubt about his potential either... I mean instead of trying mediocore players in good form i would try talented players even not in the best form for the upcoming Zim series... If the talented lot fails then we always could fall back on Ryadh, Naeem Raquibul etc these guys on their good days will play decent innings but never a match winning one.... but suppose if Kapali, Ashraful, Aftab clicks at no. 7 then we would have a genuine chance of causing an upset even against the best sides...

fuzzy
October 27, 2010, 03:59 AM
kick rakibul out bring jahirul in.... more consistant. especially uses his head

fuzzy
October 27, 2010, 04:00 AM
n for got to mention, ashraful would be good finisher.

Habib
October 27, 2010, 04:06 AM
Voted for Kapali...
I think a guy who can score big in a T-20 game has the right temperment and shots to be in the position of the finisher... and If anyone has any doubt about Kapali's range of strokes then they just have to watch his century in the ICL...

People might say that was long time back..he is not the same etc...but the fact is cricketers reach their prime when they mature...and there is no way age/reflexes can be an issue with Kapali who isn't even 30... there is no doubt about his potential either... I mean instead of trying mediocore players in good form i would try talented players even not in the best form for the upcoming Zim series... If the talented lot fails then we always could fall back on Ryadh, Naeem Raquibul etc these guys on their good days will play decent innings but never a match winning one.... but suppose if Kapali, Ashraful, Aftab clicks at no. 7 then we would have a genuine chance of causing an upset even against the best sides...

Oh please. Don't consider the 3rd class competition like ICL as the standard. It's insulting to BD cricket.

Jadukor
October 27, 2010, 06:06 AM
Oh please. Don't consider the 3rd class competition like ICL as the standard. It's insulting to BD cricket.

I am interested to know what "class" is the standard of BD domestic cricket.
Yes the standard wasn't as high as IPL but it wasn't as bad as you make it sound... They bought a lot of international players (bond, martyn, vincent, Hall, farhat, Nazir, Cairns, Maher, Razzaq, Azhar, Rana Navid, Harvey amongst what i can remember) into the roster and the games were very competitive...

Shaan
October 27, 2010, 06:19 AM
I am interested to know what "class" is the standard of BD domestic cricket.
Yes the standard wasn't as high as IPL but it wasn't as bad as you make it sound... They bought a lot of international players (bond, martyn, vincent, Hall, farhat, Nazir, Cairns, Maher, Razzaq, Azhar, Rana Navid, Harvey amongst what i can remember) into the roster and the games were very competitive...
some people here make comments base on their own judgement even without considering the real facts behind or knowing the real facts, they think they owe the cricket world. So, bro just ignore some of those comments, as you can notice how ignorance they prove themselves by commenting self satisfactory comments in order to put someone down...

Habib
October 27, 2010, 09:10 AM
I am interested to know what "class" is the standard of BD domestic cricket.
Yes the standard wasn't as high as IPL but it wasn't as bad as you make it sound... They bought a lot of international players (bond, martyn, vincent, Hall, farhat, Nazir, Cairns, Maher, Razzaq, Azhar, Rana Navid, Harvey amongst what i can remember) into the roster and the games were very competitive...

A lot of matches were fixed. ICL authority even suspended some players for that. And international players? Bond & others didn't even try to give their 100%. Imran Nazir was said to be drunk every time before he batted. Super flat pitches. Small grounds. All in all picnic cricket at its best. Our domestic cricket is certainly not worse than that.

Habib
October 27, 2010, 09:13 AM
some people here make comments base on their own judgement even without considering the real facts behind or knowing the real facts, they think they owe the cricket world. So, bro just ignore some of those comments, as you can notice how ignorance they prove themselves by commenting self satisfactory comments in order to put someone down...

You can't ignore the fact mate.

Raynman
October 27, 2010, 09:26 AM
I still think Junaid can be handy down the lower order as a finisher. He started off his BD national a career as a T20 guy and is capable of hitting the big shots. His test batting has improved drastically but there is no need to put him in a test batsman role in the limited overs format.

Jadukor
October 27, 2010, 09:47 AM
A lot of matches were fixed. ICL authority even suspended some players for that. And international players? Bond & others didn't even try to give their 100%. Imran Nazir was said to be drunk every time before he batted. Super flat pitches. Small grounds. All in all picnic cricket at its best. Our domestic cricket is certainly not worse than that.

do u get your news from manobjomin?

Habib
October 27, 2010, 09:49 AM
do u get your news from manobjomin?

No.

Ajfar
October 27, 2010, 10:48 AM
I am interested to know what "class" is the standard of BD domestic cricket.

So according to your post ICL standard is not that far away from BD Domestic Standard? Right?

well if that's the case, than why isn't Alok Kapali ruling our domestic circuit? I mean if he was all that in ICL, he should have no problem surviving in our crappy league right?

lamisa
October 27, 2010, 11:06 AM
LAST CHANCE for ash,honestly...

bujhee kom
October 27, 2010, 11:33 AM
Dudes, we need a "Boundery Hitter" from the dhaka mental hospital!

hoax
October 27, 2010, 11:36 AM
Dudes, we need a "Boundery Hitter" from the dhaka mental hospital!

vai apne to asen!!...laiga poren!!...riad nayem er theka to r kharap korben na!:-D

shuziburo
October 27, 2010, 12:48 PM
Dudes, we need a "Boundery Hitter" from the dhaka mental hospital!

We needa a Bounda Hitta from Dhaka Menta Hospita!

Fixed!

MohammedC
October 27, 2010, 01:46 PM
Thread starter hoax bhai apni gelen koi?

Murad
October 27, 2010, 01:48 PM
hoax dekhi banned.. lol..
karon ta ki? 2nd account na to?

Ajfar
October 27, 2010, 02:24 PM
oh uh looks like Rokibul also has connection with BC mods
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wiseshah
October 27, 2010, 04:19 PM
a perfect 20/20 team

tamim
anamul hauque +
nazimuddin
shuvagoto
kapali
shakib
naeem
ashraful
razzaq
shafiul
rubel/mashrafe

extra: aftab/junaed, najmul, jahurul, sabbir rahman

M.H.Rubel
October 27, 2010, 09:02 PM
Dudes, we need a "Boundery Hitter" from the dhaka mental hospital!

Sorry dude there is no hospital named Dhaka Mental hospital in Bangladesh.
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Dilscoop
October 28, 2010, 01:13 AM
Lol I remember when JS was new, and when we went to NZ, he had JO at 7.

magic boy
October 28, 2010, 12:50 PM
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns Opposition Ground

89* 142 92 10 0 96.73 6 not out 2 v West Indies Dhaka

71 135 101 5 0 70.29 5 caught 2 v South Africa Dhaka

49 84 64 4 0 76.56 7 caught 2 v Australia Darwin

61 108 70 5 1 87.14 5 caught 2 v Pakistan Lahore

69 81 86 6 0 80.23 4 bowled 2 v Pakistan Karachi

55 73 57 4 0 96.49 7 bowled 1 v Kenya Fatullah

115 97 96 10 5 119.79 6 caught 1 v India Karachi

I see AK looks better than Naeem/Riadh/Mushfiq at no 6/7 position as a finisher or whatsoever fans have been demanding for...good ST, vs g8 teams .A solution for the Batting PP after 40 over?

mac
October 28, 2010, 01:09 PM
Alok was such a promise in his early days. Feeling sad.

Shaan
October 28, 2010, 01:33 PM
Alok was such a promise in his early days. Feeling sad.

bro thats what disappoint some of us, even he was looking getting back to his potential before joining ICL..
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shuziburo
October 28, 2010, 04:14 PM
Sorry dude there is no hospital named Dhaka Mental hospital in Bangladesh.
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OK. Then, we will settle for the best mental hospital in BD, in Hemayetpur.

Dilscoop
October 28, 2010, 06:19 PM
I see AK looks better than Naeem/Riadh/Mushfiq at no 6/7 position as a finisher or whatsoever fans have been demanding for...good ST, vs g8 teams .A solution for the Batting PP after 40 over?

if you look at the inn #, you will see most of them came in from 2nd inn, while BD was cashing. And as we all know all about our olden team, by the time 5th-6th wicket fell we were already out of the game (not that we ever were in the game in the 1st place, chasing 300). Those were pressure free inn. I doubt he could the same if the eq. was 50 run from 25 balls, or RRR over 7.

bujhee kom
October 28, 2010, 11:20 PM
Sorry dude there is no hospital named Dhaka Mental hospital in Bangladesh.
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Hahahahahah but Rubel bhai you must be familier with Haatkhola Mental Institute and also the Narayonganj Mental Research Faculty...these both institutions are part of the very prestigious International Society Of Mental Health Syndicato with which I am also affiliated fopr many years, you know ~

1137moiz
October 31, 2010, 03:23 AM
salam guys, late-over hitting is one of my favourite aspects of the game (I'm a pretty mean hitter if I do say so meself :P) and I have to say as an outsider I always thought the bighitting Naeem Islam could fulfill this role well--get something like 25-30 runs off 15-20 balls. I have yet to see Shuvo, another promising player, but he smashed 14 off 6 on debut so I'm assuming he can also fulfill this

1137moiz
October 31, 2010, 03:29 AM
If they come in with 7-5 overs to go I think that Mortaza, Dolar Mahmud and Abdur Razzak can also club a few

lamisa
October 31, 2010, 10:26 AM
razzak?seriously?

Night_wolf
October 31, 2010, 02:05 PM
we need a finisher and we need someone like abdur razzak(pakistani guy)..boy what a innings he played...we need somebody who can perform under pressure like that!..i remember nayem islam once won us a match like this..vs zim..i think this guy have the mentality...we just have to nourish him a bit..he can be that finishers..he bowls descent to!

Habib
October 31, 2010, 02:14 PM
razzak?seriously?

Yes. Not Bangladeshi but Pakistani.

dolcevita
October 31, 2010, 02:22 PM
What an innings from Razzak
need someone like him
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cricman
October 31, 2010, 02:24 PM
Abahani are very lucky to have his services

He scored a 150+ Score last year in DPL

Jadukor
November 1, 2010, 02:23 AM
So according to your post ICL standard is not that far away from BD Domestic Standard? Right?

well if that's the case, than why isn't Alok Kapali ruling our domestic circuit? I mean if he was all that in ICL, he should have no problem surviving in our crappy league right?

I dont think u can draw a linear relationship between domestic performances and performances in the international stage... You can't say with certainty that Alok isn't good enough because he is not performing in NCL just like you can't say Tushar Imran is a world class player because he is performing consistently in the NCL.

There could be a whole lot of reasons both personal, mental, lack of form along with the obvious lack of ability for a player not to succeed in domestic competitions. A lot of the players play well when they are given the right kind of support/environment/role... maybe Alok excelled ICL and failed in the national team because of those reasons..we cant know for sure...

My reference to ICL was basically to pointout that Kapali has the range of strokes to succeed as a finisher... he has the big slog sweeps against spinners...he can play the scoop, or the pickup shot over extra cover... etc... overall I am a fan of him because i really enjoyed the Dhaka Warrior's stint at the ICL and also because I think he is an elegant player to watch....

shuziburo
November 1, 2010, 08:08 AM
If they come in with 7-5 overs to go I think that Mortaza, Dolar Mahmud and Abdur Razzak can also club a few

If our Abdur Razzak can play anywhere near the level of the Abdur Razzak of Pakistan, then he would be our guy. But, we don't yet have anyone of that mold for PP overs. Well, we have SAH and TI, but they generally are not around for the batting PP.

Abdur Razzak played an inning that is seldom seen even in T20. And, almost all of the hits were clean, hard hits. Most of our boys need to learn this art, who tend to start slashing their bats blindly at the start of batting PP.

shuziburo
November 1, 2010, 08:53 AM
If our Abdur Razzak can play anywhere near the level of the Abdur Razzak of Pakistan, then he would be our guy. But, we don't yet have anyone of that mold for PP overs. Well, we have SAH and TI, but they generally are not around for the batting PP.

Abdur Razzak played an inning that is seldom seen even in T20. And, almost all of the hits were clean, hard hits. Most of our boys need to learn this art, who tend to start slashing their bats blindly at the start of batting PP.

Pakistan seems to have these types of players in abundance. Remember the Waqqas guy who took away a sure win from BD in the last U-19 WC with a few 6's. However, these big hits can be defended with well-placed yorkers and field placement. But, not too many pacers can keep their cool in such situations.

Ajfar
November 1, 2010, 08:53 AM
My reference to ICL was basically to pointout that Kapali has the range of strokes to succeed as a finisher... he has the big slog sweeps against spinners...he can play the scoop, or the pickup shot over extra cover... etc... overall I am a fan of him because i really enjoyed the Dhaka Warrior's stint at the ICL and also because I think he is an elegant player to watch....

and I'm not denying that. But you can't expect him to get selected for the national team based on what he did in ICL. After they returned from ICL BCB had a cooling period for them for about 6 months, but they were allowed to play in the domestic league. Doesn't matter how horrible our domestic league is. Its the only source we have of judging our player. I'm not saying that Alok doesn't have any shots, I like the guy. I wish he could reach his full potential. My point is you can't just walk in the national team just because have talent, and just because we have seen 2/3 great innings from you. You have to prove yourself. And as I already stated above even though our domestic cricket is crap but its the only source we have. So he has to perform and let the selectors know that he still has it in him.

Bond
November 1, 2010, 09:56 AM
why isn't rokibul there?

Jadukor
November 1, 2010, 10:27 AM
and I'm not denying that. But you can't expect him to get selected for the national team based on what he did in ICL. After they returned from ICL BCB had a cooling period for them for about 6 months, but they were allowed to play in the domestic league. Doesn't matter how horrible our domestic league is. Its the only source we have of judging our player. I'm not saying that Alok doesn't have any shots, I like the guy. I wish he could reach his full potential. My point is you can't just walk in the national team just because have talent, and just because we have seen 2/3 great innings from you. You have to prove yourself. And as I already stated above even though our domestic cricket is crap but its the only source we have. So he has to perform and let the selectors know that he still has it in him.
no arguments there man... i fully understand selectors have to go with what they see and not some gut feeling like i have... for me personally it would have been nice to see him play in the national setup again...but unfortunately after the 59 he scored in the first NCL game his scores tailed off... the guy also kept opting out of the chances he was given sighting family, sickness or whatever... i just can't help but wonder something is going on underneath... now its like all that experience and effort spent on him by BCB has no value... just like all the other seniors besides ash that are not there in the team at the moment... if we continue to fail in grooming and developing players until they mature and keep losing senior players to some 18-20 yr olds then i am afraid we will always remain an inexperienced team on the international stage

lamisa
November 1, 2010, 11:07 AM
Yes. Not Bangladeshi but Pakistani.

i was referring to post 115...

Shaan
November 1, 2010, 12:11 PM
no arguments there man... i fully understand selectors have to go with what they see and not some gut feeling like i have... for me personally it would have been nice to see him play in the national setup again...but unfortunately after the 59 he scored in the first NCL game his scores tailed off... the guy also kept opting out of the chances he was given sighting family, sickness or whatever... i just can't help but wonder something is going on underneath... now its like all that experience and effort spent on him by BCB has no value... just like all the other seniors besides ash that are not there in the team at the moment... if we continue to fail in grooming and developing players until they mature and keep losing senior players to some 18-20 yr olds then i am afraid we will always remain an inexperienced team on the international stage
ditto...