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al Furqaan
October 31, 2010, 02:02 PM
Pick your combination of 3 players or provide your own combination by voting "other (please specify)" and listing your prefered trio. The specific batting order is NOT important for purposes of the poll options.

rashed411
October 31, 2010, 02:03 PM
we need a Abdul Razzak!!

Habib
October 31, 2010, 02:07 PM
Well after watching Razzak's brutal 10 sixes today, all of our finisher prospects look like Javed Omar to me.

Night_wolf
October 31, 2010, 02:11 PM
there is a thread already about finisher...mods please merge this with that

_Rafi_
October 31, 2010, 02:37 PM
Riyad...I beleive in Siddons!

nycpro96
October 31, 2010, 03:26 PM
Ash
No Idea
Mash

nakibahmed
October 31, 2010, 03:57 PM
for now,i would'nt like to see anyone but Naeem/Riyad/Mashrafe...atleast for the first 3 ODIs against Zimbabwe,Naeem and Mahmudullah have both been producing good innings in the domestic circuit recently,and Siddons has backed them long enough to gain plenty of experience.Given one or both of them don't perform before the WC,i wouldn't mind a change.

My second choice would be to play Shurawardhi Shuvo,who i consider an all-rounder,or AT LEAST a prospect!

Haru-party
October 31, 2010, 04:12 PM
ek option ekadhikbar kno???

Leg_Stump
October 31, 2010, 05:39 PM
Javed Omar/Roqibul/Rajin Saleh :-)
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Naimul_Hd
October 31, 2010, 05:58 PM
Mushy + Riyad + Naeem !

Purbasha T
October 31, 2010, 07:50 PM
Riyad Naeem Ashraful

Tigers_eye
October 31, 2010, 08:01 PM
ek option ekadhikbar kno???
Kinda like forcing members to choose one. Hahaha!!

simon
October 31, 2010, 08:19 PM
Ash/Ryad/Jahu

al Furqaan
November 1, 2010, 12:34 AM
haven't voted even though its my own poll...but i want it to go in conjunction with Eshen bhai's poll about the no.3 spot.

personally, i think its got to be one of two choices:

ash, riyad, mash or
ash, naeem, mash

there isn't room for both naeem or riyad, and if they both continue to fail in the lower order (they've failed 16 times in a row at least...but due to domestic form, they deserve one last shot), then they will have to duke it out with the Rocks, Jahiruls, and SNs for a top order spot. Riyad and Naeem have done well in NCL batting in teh top order at 4 or 5, not blasting cameos - which is the role that we need them for.

Naeem i think might have what it takes to be a top order bat, but riyad has work to do.

I think Jahirul should be competing for a top order spot, and if ash/riyad/naeem flop in the first 3 games of the ZIM series, Jahirul should come in as our finisher.

All in all, we have an awesome problem: too many performers and we don't know who to drop.

Dilscoop
November 1, 2010, 12:45 AM
Too many threads on this issue, but I bet JS is not even bothering about it. Lets bat 50 overs, 220 is good.

I voted for other. It should be:

Riyad
Jahurul
Ashraful

To follow the bowlers:
Mashrafe
Razzak/Naeem/Shuvo
Shafiul/Rubel

(Ashraful should be pick as a pure slogger, and as a spinner. And there should be one more spinner after him, out of Razza, Naeem and Shuvo. You can't have all 3 in the same XI. That's suicidal)

Murad
November 1, 2010, 12:45 AM
Mistake on the poll:

Ashraful/Riyad/Mashrafe twice

Shaan
November 1, 2010, 01:04 AM
Ash/Johu/Riy are best option in my opinion..

Dilscoop
November 1, 2010, 01:56 AM
Why are you guys putting guys like Jislam nd Riyad AFTER Ashraful? Ashaful should be the real finisher. Jislam and Riyad should come before Ash, and then Ash should come and finish things off. But if it's very end, only few overs to go, than Ash should go in

Poll is wrong, you got it all backward

beshideshi
November 1, 2010, 02:07 AM
You can't walk upto an ostrich and ask it to fly.
You just can't demote Ashraful at #7/8 and expect him to become a finisher. Also, he has shown absolutely nothing to claim the 'finisher' tag, I thought I won't say anything on this issue but using Ashraful as a spinner/finisher is a pretty self destructing idea.

We don't need an Ashraful who scores a quickfire 30 and bowls 4-5 overs, we need an Ashraful who leads the batting line up and the whole team bats around him, bat him at #7 and the latter will never happen.[ I know he is yet to become the responsible one, but trying to use him as a power hitter will just kill the slight possibility he has[of becoming responsible]]

He is a top order batsman and must wait till there is a spot at the top order, otherwise score massively to demand a spot at the top 4.

And about the finisher, I think 6-8 should belong to Mushy, Nayeem/Riyad, Shuvo. Shuvo at #8 because we have seen in the recent series the benefits of having a 5.5 man bowling attack instead of a 4.5 man bowling attack.

shakibrulz
November 1, 2010, 02:26 AM
Lol at everyone who chose Riyad as a finisher/lower order batsman. He should either bat in the middle order or shouldn't bat at all.

My choice - Ashrafool (he will obviously play, so better play him as a slogger), Jahurul/Naeem, Mashrafe

shakibrulz
November 1, 2010, 02:29 AM
We don't need an Ashraful who scores a quickfire 30 and bowls 4-5 overs, we need an Ashraful who leads the batting line up and the whole team bats around him, bat him at #7 and the latter will never happen.[ I know he is yet to become the responsible one, but trying to use him as a power hitter will just kill the slight possibility he has[of becoming responsible]]

The guy has played 159 ODIs and still sucks - and you expect the 'Eid knock' from him to win games? So that means either you want to mess up the balance by still considering him a top order bat. If he got to play, he should play below #5 as a finisher.

Dilscoop
November 1, 2010, 03:33 AM
^^ Ya, we had him as a pure batsman, our batting leader for last decade, and he has failed there quite badly. It's time to move on. He is not a leader. He doesn't have that in him. Not everyone has the leadership skills, not even Sachin (ok that's unfair to say, because he was our batting backbone for a long time, and couldn't always live up to it, way too much pressure.) It's time to put Ashraful where he belongs, and use him to his best ability. He always did better from bottom 5.

Plus we have Tamim and other guys to our battin leader now. But yes we will LOVEE to see a CLASS Ashraful

Dilscoop
November 1, 2010, 03:36 AM
It's quite shocking how Matthew Hayden played the same amount of matches, and totally shined his career. I always thought he played like over 250 ODIs or something. He was just a bad as Ash at the beginning, but look how he finished things off. Can Ashdaful do it? He has at least 10-12 years left (age-wise), thanks to his early start

simon
November 1, 2010, 05:51 AM
Lol at everyone who chose Riyad as a finisher/lower order batsman. He should either bat in the middle order or shouldn't bat at all.

My choice - Ashrafool (he will obviously play, so better play him as a slogger), Jahurul/Naeem, Mashrafe

ya,but when Ryad is in a positive frame of mind he can be a real good finisher,like he did in the Triseries(Ind,Sri & BD)
But I think players like Ryad & Mushy(both r technically perfect) need more time to settle down so maybe they better play in the middle or top.

shakibrulz
November 1, 2010, 06:17 AM
ya,but when Ryad is in a positive frame of mind he can be a real good finisher,like he did in the Triseries(Ind,Sri & BD)
But I think players like Ryad & Mushy(both r technically perfect) need more time to settle down so maybe they better play in the middle or top.
Yes riyad needs time to settle down so one odd innings won't do it at all. He has no intent to slog/get quick runs in the powerplay. But he can make a good middle order bat. And Rahim can bat much better in Powerplays from Mullah from what I've seen - he has that intent.

Tamim
Imrul
Riyad
Rahim
Shakib
Junaid
Ashraful/Jahirul
Mashrafe
Shuvo
Abdur Razzak
Rubel Hossain

This sounds a better lineup.

Jadukor
November 1, 2010, 08:15 AM
I like the idea of ash being tried as a finisher. lets face it... ashraful's 1 good innings in every zillion matches isn't good enough to slot him at the top of the order anymore... i think he has the shots to utilize the powerplay and since he cant stitch together any score above 20-30...its better to send him at no. 7 when there would be few overs left anyways... Naeem and Mahmudullah both lack the intent to take on the bowlers... their negative batting during the end overs is kinda annoying to watch... even the little lad Mushfiq hits better than those two which is a shame...

roman
November 1, 2010, 08:24 AM
We need someone like Abdul Razzaq. He should be the Mentor for all the finishers. What an innings....

for now I want JS to work with Shafiul's batting. This guy can hit the ball hard. Ash should come to bat @ # 5 or #6. #3, #4 slots should be for the best batsman in the team and we have Junaid and Shakib there. #7 should be for Riyad/Nayem. #8 Mash.
Some of you are counting him out but he is still the best guy who can get us a quick 20-30 runs at the end.

shuziburo
November 1, 2010, 09:03 AM
I chose "other." The only one in the team that has the ability and temperament to bat there is Mash. No one else as of now has both. Shafiul could be groomed, because I like the way he hits the ball hard.

shuziburo
November 1, 2010, 09:14 AM
You can't walk upto an ostrich and ask it to fly.
You just can't demote Ashraful at #7/8 and expect him to become a finisher. Also, he has shown absolutely nothing to claim the 'finisher' tag, I thought I won't say anything on this issue but using Ashraful as a spinner/finisher is a pretty self destructing idea.

We don't need an Ashraful who scores a quickfire 30 and bowls 4-5 overs, we need an Ashraful who leads the batting line up and the whole team bats around him, bat him at #7 and the latter will never happen.[ I know he is yet to become the responsible one, but trying to use him as a power hitter will just kill the slight possibility he has[of becoming responsible]]

He is a top order batsman and must wait till there is a spot at the top order, otherwise score massively to demand a spot at the top 4.

If he has not done it in 150+ matches, the odds are against him. Plus, we have many promising players in the team who might excel in these roles. Thus, it is time to stop thinking about Ash as a top-order batsman. ("Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein)

Having said that, I am not against trying Ash for one series at 6-8 to see whether he can do the job here. Right now, we don't have anyone excelling at batting PP. One of Ash's tricks is to get caught at the boundary, which might happen less frequently during a PP. If he does not do the job (likely outcome), he should be banished from international cricket. (Such a waste of talent! But, this was meant to be, I guess.)

shuziburo
November 1, 2010, 09:17 AM
We need someone like Abdul Razzaq. He should be the Mentor for all the finishers. What an innings....

for now I want JS to work with Shafiul's batting. This guy can hit the ball hard.

Plus, AR's hits were clean, hard. No blind slogging. Our boys do the latter during batting PP.

Agree abt Shafiul.

shakibrulz
November 1, 2010, 09:21 AM
for now I want JS to work with Shafiul's batting.

Razzaq is a pretty decent batsman and a clean hitter who used to bowl a bit. Shafiul is a bowler who has a lot to improve - and he's shown no signs of a good batsman. He can slog like Mashrafe of course, but that comes with experience. He needs to concentrate on bowling and that alone - he's pretty expensive nowadays.

Bond
November 1, 2010, 09:35 AM
Razzaq is a pretty decent batsman and a clean hitter who used to bowl a bit. Shafiul is a bowler who has a lot to improve - and he's shown no signs of a good batsman. He can slog like Mashrafe of course, but that comes with experience. He needs to concentrate on bowling and that alone - he's pretty expensive nowadays.

259 wickets in 245 matches, he did a little more bowling than a bit. He's a genuine all rounder, Mashrafee and Shafiul can never be half the bowler Razzak is today, and speaking about batting, he has a better batting average than half of our falto third class batsmen with an awesome strike rate.

Bottom Line - we need a finisher like the Razzler. Shaf, Mash, blah blah are all faltu hitters, they get one or two lucky shots, they don't even time the ball, chok bondho kore bat ghuray, jodi layga jai, Razzak played according to the situation.

magic boy
November 1, 2010, 09:48 AM
will vote after ZM Series

shakibrulz
November 1, 2010, 10:06 AM
259 wickets in 245 matches, a did a little more bowling than a bit. He's a genuine all rounder, Mashrafee and Shafiul can never be half the bowler Razzak is today, and speaking about batting, he has a better batting average than half of our falto third class batsmen

Bottom Line - we need a finisher like the Razzler. Shaf, Mash, blah blah are all faltu hitters, they get one or two lucky shots, they don't even time the ball, chok bondho kore bat ghuray, jodi layga jai, Razzak played according to the situation.
Oops typo - I meant who can bowl a bit not used to. Yes, he used to be a pretty decent bowler initially but lately he's been a liability with the ball for them. If you want Shafiul, your strike bowler to be like that, then fine enough.

M.H.Rubel
November 1, 2010, 11:07 AM
Few years ago most of our batsman were like explosive batsman.Whenever they play they like to play shots.Now in last 2 or 3 years it seems to me our batsman are changing their nature.But now team is full of stabilizers.We have IMRUL,ZUNAID,ROCK,MUSHY,RIYAD All are a bit slow and plays like a stabilizer.Do we need 5 stabilizer in the team?IMO we need to shuffle the batting order and need an explosive type finisher in the team.My preferred line up would be:
1.Tamim
2.Kayes
3.SN
4.Riyad
5.Shakib
6.Mushy
7.Ash
8.Naeem/A full time bowler according to need.
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M.H.Rubel
November 1, 2010, 11:12 AM
Most of the voters here are voting some one othe than Mushy at number 6 or Mushy is out of the list.In that case my question to them is where should Mushy bat?
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lamisa
November 1, 2010, 11:14 AM
even rubel can hit the ball a long way,but that's also more like jodi laigga jay...

Rifat
November 3, 2010, 10:25 PM
6. Mushfiqur Rahim(MaShAllah! this guy can slog sometimes.../also can consolidate/rotate strike as necessary)
7. Mohammad Ashraful
8. Mashrafee Mortaza

if #8 is injured then Abdur Razzak, he can hit a few sometimes too.

If Ashraful is not selected, => Naeem Islam, I still Believe he has the ability to slog away and do wonders at the Powerplay, we just need him to get his form back.(work in progress!)

#6 and #7 can be swapped as necessary.

This is what I think wil end up happening most likely.

Anher
November 4, 2010, 01:54 AM
My mind acting a little crazy at this moment.. its having a crazy idea... praying AAA battery fully charged and come to the form of their life before the world cup. Solid top 5 batsmans(1-5), 3 ultimate slogger (6,7,8), yes they are. I always believed they are more of a slogger than a batsman, 4 Bowlers(5, 9, 10, 11). 3 part time bowlers (Alok/Naeem, Aftab/Riyad, Ash and if Jahirul/Junaid come handy in fast bowling we have 1 extra option).

1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Rahim (he should never bat at no 6-7. We can use jahirul wisely as a part-time WK)
4. Jahirul/Junaid/SN
5. Sakib
6. Ash
7. Aftab/Riyad
8. Alok/Naeem
9. Mash/Shafi
10. Razzak
11. Rubel

Ajfar
November 4, 2010, 10:23 AM
^ I knockout bhai before they used to start the batting collapse now they will end the batting collapse. At the end of the day same result.
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beshideshi
November 4, 2010, 10:38 AM
If he has not done it in 150+ matches, the odds are against him. Plus, we have many promising players in the team who might excel in these roles. Thus, it is time to stop thinking about Ash as a top-order batsman. ("Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein)

Having said that, I am not against trying Ash for one series at 6-8 to see whether he can do the job here. Right now, we don't have anyone excelling at batting PP. One of Ash's tricks is to get caught at the boundary, which might happen less frequently during a PP. If he does not do the job (likely outcome), he should be banished from international cricket. (Such a waste of talent! But, this was meant to be, I guess.)

Chances of Ash developing a proper brain before the world cup is very unlikely, but the little chance he has of ever becoming a top order batsman will disappear as soon as he will be sent at #7[in my opinion]. In reality it might work out, and he might be our little Bevan, but I personally think if a tor order batsman makes the XI he should make it as a top order batsman, not a tail ender.

Another thing, I was watching a few of our past highlights, and 9 out of 10 times Naeem came into bat, he had to bat with the tail and had to play a 'saving' game more than 'attacking' game. I think Naeem should be tried at #6 or at worst 7, not 8. If he is the last specialist batsman and has to bat with our world class tail, he can't really play freely. I think Naeem has good hitting abilities, but it is very hard to go all guns blazing when there are 5 overs to go and you have Razzak and Rubel batting with you.

Night_wolf
November 4, 2010, 11:45 AM
Chances of Ash developing a proper brain before the world cup is very unlikely, but the little chance he has of ever becoming a top order batsman will disappear as soon as he will be sent at #7[in my opinion]. In reality it might work out, and he might be our little Bevan, but I personally think if a tor order batsman makes the XI he should make it as a top order batsman, not a tail ender.


Afredi dose it...he was an opener now bats at no7..so y not ash!...imo teams who doesn't have a proper smart and clever finisher like hussy or dhoni should have brainless crics like afridi or ash at no7 who can bash the cric ball around untill they find a proper finisher..

Anher
November 4, 2010, 11:57 AM
^ I knockout bhai before they used to start the batting collapse now they will end the batting collapse. At the end of the day same result.

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:-) quite funny.
I would be happy if they are at least able to end the batting collapse. We are not getting anything from tail in ODI these days. Hence the fuzz about who should fill in those positions. I also pray naeem, riyad come back strongly to their form with very good strike rate in Zim series. They deserve it. Strike rate is very important in these position if we even think to post and chase a 300+ targets.

reyme
November 4, 2010, 12:22 PM
Problem with Nayeem and Riyad lately is they only play to stay not out and waste too many deliveries to settle down. Coach should point out for slots 6-8, if you dont have a strike rate of 90%+, you are out of the team regardless. Everyone is turning out to be a grafter including Ash..lately. He just had one inning in NCL with great straike rate, but I bet as soon as you givehim a slot in the playing 11, first thing he will do is take a lot of balls to settle down.

Ash is not that ame Ash anymore... at least did not play that kind of EID inning for a long time. What happened to paddle sweep/pull that he was so famous for? When was the last time anybody saw that?