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tiger_2007
November 2, 2010, 04:58 PM
Not sure whether it is a good idea ??? My suggesion would be to concetrate on what you do the best.

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Pont tries batsmen in seam bowling
Safin Hassan
Ian Pont, the fast-bowling coach of the Bangladesh national cricket team, took an initiative to produce seamers out of the batsmen to give the Tigers more bowling options.
After having a look into his arsenal, Pont urged all of his batsmen, who have bowled seam sometime in their career to come forward as Bangladesh are desperately in need of all-rounders, who can also bowl seamers (pace).
‘Today we started the process and we have all the fast-bowlers in. We have two of the batsmen coming in as well bowling pace. We are thinking of a couple of batsmen who might know how to bowl pace as well. We are just giving everyone the chance to learn how to increase their speed,’ Ian Pont said after a practice session.
Junaed Sidique, who used to bowl pace when he was young, joined Pont’s group of pace bowlers and went in for training. Jahirul Islam was also tried out for pace bowling.
‘I used to bowl pace when I was a kid. I am not certain what I can do but I will give it a go and see what happens,’ said Junaed after the practice session.
Pont, also widely known for his slow delivery, showed the pacers different grips and how to increase speed.
‘I think fast bowlers have an idea about the slow ball. I also introduced them to some other grips,’ Pont said.
Nazmul Hossain, known for his slow deliveries and responsible for orchestrating the first win against New Zealand in October, is looking to increase his speed.
‘I can bowl slow and I have proved it. I usually bowl between 129kmph and 132kmph,’ the coach said. ‘If I can deliver my regular balls between 135kmph and 136kmph, then my slow balls will be even more effective,’ Nazmul said.




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MohammedC
November 2, 2010, 05:05 PM
Very good idea. Both Junaed's and Jahurul are tall. As long as they can ball at 70 to 75 MPH with seaming condition they can pick up cruicial wicket. Its just gives our team an extra option when things are not going well.

Look at Paul Collingwood for example. I know he used to bowl faster when fast played for England than what he does now but now days he just bowls slow medium pace and still picks up wicket.

Eshen
November 2, 2010, 05:11 PM
India have many examples of batsmen bowling medium pace and picking up vital wickets while frontline pacers were struggling. This is certainly a good initiative from Pont.

This should also help the Test team where medium pacers can bring some variations and give specialist bowlers some breaks.

MohammedC
November 2, 2010, 05:25 PM
India have many examples of batsmen bowling medium pace and picking up vital wickets while frontline pacers were struggling. This is certainly a good initiative from Pont.

This should also help the Test team where medium pacers can bring some variations and give specialist bowlers some breaks.

first name that will come out of my head is...Shaurav Ganguly.

Was not Mohinder Amarnath also a medium pacer?

Naimul_Hd
November 2, 2010, 05:49 PM
Excellent move by Pont.

Now, Jahurul and Junaid got an excellent chance to make up their batting with some economical bowling. Raqibul should be jealous now.... :-D

Baundule
November 2, 2010, 05:55 PM
IMO, this is a positive move, as long as they are not much stressed with that to forget their main duty.

Not pace, not even the variation of pace; but nagging line and length should be the key. It is not easy to hit a line-and-length medium pacer on a slow wicket. They can easily frustrate the batsmen.

Anyone remembers Aftab's 5 wickets? (http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64908.html)

al Furqaan
November 2, 2010, 06:00 PM
good move, but they should focus on batting.

but its a good move because when the main bowlers struggle or need a break, these two can bowl and hopefully make vital breakthroughs, not because they've bowled well, but because the sight of part-timer can induce even the most experienced batsman into playing loose shots.

ashraful1
November 2, 2010, 06:43 PM
These two are really tall I won't be surprised if they bowl faster then our pace bowlers!!! But yea I think it's a good move something different in the team is all ways good however they need to focus more on there batting.
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shafayeen
November 2, 2010, 06:59 PM
pace bowling puts a lot of strain on the body, especially if you havent bowl in a while. I know where pont is trying to go with this, but everyone involved has to be careful.

Pont is a professional and i hope he understands this.

MohammedC
November 2, 2010, 07:17 PM
pace bowling puts a lot of strain on the body, especially if you havent bowl in a while. I know where pont is trying to go with this, but everyone involved has to be careful.

Pont is a professional and i hope he understands this.

depends on how fast he wants them to bowl. But I think we are looking a 75 to 80 MPH. Should not be a problem.

Equinox
November 2, 2010, 07:24 PM
Not the right time. We should be working on winning a series and more importantly preparing for the World Cup. This will just distract the players.

al-Sagar
November 2, 2010, 07:26 PM
very soon nujaid and jahurul may turn out to be bowling all rounders ..... or may be nothing or may be good all rounders

Eshen
November 2, 2010, 08:28 PM
Not the right time. We should be working on winning a series and more importantly preparing for the World Cup. This will just distract the players.
On contrary, I think this is the perfect time to try out something new, especially in the Zimbabwe series as that's our last international schedule before WC. Right now, our middle over bowling is entirely dependent on spinners. India, England, SA, and even WI has few good batsmen who, once settled, can exploit this weakness well. Having some variations in bowling should make us less vulnerable.

Have you read Tendulkar's recent interview? To him, Cronje was the hardest bowler to figure out. That's the kind of difference often occasional medium pacers can bring.

I am really glad Pont is not an one-dimensional thinker like Siddons is.

cricman
November 2, 2010, 08:35 PM
His dedication to Pace Bowling is remarkable, I read the piece they did on him in DS or newage talking on How he wants more w/ the Pacers but DPL wasn't going to make this possible.

If your the BCB I compensate the Bowlers the equivalent of one DPL Season if they spend that time working w/ Pont, for someone like Rasel who gets paid pennies by DPL sides it be better of for him to stop bowl slow and see if he can bowl around the 80mph mark like he used w/ that his old Accuracy and Swing.

If Mashrafe really want to be Captain and show some leadership qualites, work with Pont make your self better theres going to be 10-15 more DPL's for him and he's got KKR money

Eshen
November 2, 2010, 08:42 PM
^^ I don't see why BCB should pay them extra, considering the amount of money they already get from BCB and amount of gift they recently received from the government. BCB have all the rights to ask national players to skip DPL. Unfortunately, BCB got too many directors from Dhaka clubs who won't let that happen.

Dilscoop
November 2, 2010, 10:15 PM
Best move made by any of our coaches. It won't hurt. Learning new things is not a bad thing. We have seen many bowlers get turned into batsmen, why not other way around. And this way they will learn about the bowlers and what's their thought process, which will help them with their batting.

This sorts of innovations comes around in all sports. This is nothing new, and nothing wrong with it.

reyme
November 2, 2010, 10:16 PM
On contrary, I think this is the perfect time to try out something new, Cronje was the hardest bowler to figure out. That's the kind of difference often occasional medium pacers can bring.

I am really glad Pont is not an one-dimensional thinker like Siddons is.

Awesome Post! Nicely summed up!

Dilscoop
November 2, 2010, 10:18 PM
His dedication to Pace Bowling is remarkable

He was even in the US to teach fast bowling

shakibrulz
November 2, 2010, 11:00 PM
LOL. More pacers in the subcontinent? They rather be part time spinners than seamers. It's better if he just helps the strike bowlers improve their bowling.

Ajfar
November 2, 2010, 11:09 PM
I have no problem with him doing this, but he is only here for 6 months. He needs to spend as much time as possible with the bowlers. So I think its best if he focuses on our strikes bowlers only. Its ok to give them some tips so they can try it out on their own, but I hope they are actually not going to start practicing in the nets.

beshideshi
November 2, 2010, 11:13 PM
LOL. More pacers in the subcontinent? They rather be part time spinners than seamers. It's better if he just helps the strike bowlers improve their bowling.

See the thing is, more often than not we will play with 2 pacers, and the bowling can become tediously one dimensional in the middle overs, so it's good to have a couple of options who can bowl some cutters to just change the pace and maybe disturb the rhythm of the batsmen. I think it will be good to have a back up plan, just in case.

Habib
November 2, 2010, 11:21 PM
See the thing is, more often than not we will play with 2 pacers, and the bowling can become tediously one dimensional in the middle overs, so it's good to have a couple of options who can bowl some cutters to just change the pace and maybe disturb the rhythm of the batsmen. I think it will be good to have a back up plan, just in case.

Ditto.

Dilscoop
November 2, 2010, 11:27 PM
LOL. More pacers in the subcontinent? They rather be part time spinners than seamers. It's better if he just helps the strike bowlers improve their bowling.
Paks are also part of subcontinent. So that statement only applies to India. :-p I won't add Bangladesh, because I am biased and we got Pont for Shafi and Rubel and both are capable of bowling at or over 150mph

AsifTheManRahman
November 2, 2010, 11:38 PM
At least someone's thinking outside the box. But being the losers that our batsmen are, I wouldn't be surprised if they fail miserably like dogs in the streets.
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M.H.Rubel
November 3, 2010, 01:12 AM
Trying to make some part time pacer is not a bad idea by Pont.But first we need to make seam friendly wicket.BCB need to be carefull about it.We never offer pace friendly wicket,Ash and Riyad catagory bowlers become strike bowler in our domestic,bowler like Mosharof Rubel or Enam jn gets more payment than leading bangladeshi pace bowlers from the domestic teams.Every year Russel and Shahadat struggle to get a team in domestic.This type of problem need to be solved very quickly.
Actually we need to offer good fast and seaming wicket to our pacebowlers to encourage them.
I am sure all this spin friendly wickets will never be able to produce good quality pacers.All setup here encourage players to bowl spin ball.We need to break this situation.
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firstlane
November 3, 2010, 02:04 AM
Jahurul will now have to bowl as well? What will happen to his keeping? Isnt he our back-up keeper? What else he needs to do to secure a place in the team while losers like Rakibul and Ashraful (in the recent past) have been enjoying free rides.

Dilscoop
November 3, 2010, 03:25 AM
At least someone's thinking outside the box. But being the losers that our batsmen are, I wouldn't be surprised if they fail miserably like dogs in the streets.
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What's a box? We should bat out 50 overs, 220 is good. Target is over 300, we should play test cricket. What box you talkin about?

Zunaid
November 3, 2010, 03:32 AM
What's a box? We should bat out 50 overs, 220 is good. Target is over 300, we should play test cricket. What box you talkin about?

Now, now. Keep your adoration for JS out of this. :)

beshideshi
November 3, 2010, 03:33 AM
Jahurul will now have to bowl as well? What will happen to his keeping? Isnt he our back-up keeper? What else he needs to do to secure a place in the team while losers like Rakibul and Ashraful (in the recent past) have been enjoying free rides.

My guess is he will have to umpire in the "Red" V "Green" games in order to find a spot. He can also try being the Physio, the cheerleader and in an extreme case the waterboy.

shakibrulz
November 3, 2010, 03:42 AM
See the thing is, more often than not we will play with 2 pacers, and the bowling can become tediously one dimensional in the middle overs, so it's good to have a couple of options who can bowl some cutters to just change the pace and maybe disturb the rhythm of the batsmen. I think it will be good to have a back up plan, just in case.
And you're better off with a one dimensional aka spin attack rather than part time pacers. Unless you are a top quality pacer, any g8 team will spank you around for good.

Rabz
November 3, 2010, 04:21 AM
Not a bad move if we can make a part time bowlers out of them.
JS has the right height to use that for his advantage and with the growing competition within the team, would enhance his inclusion in the team as well.

Jahurul coul turn out to be the jack of all trade !

firstlane
November 3, 2010, 04:35 AM
Anyone remembers Akram Khan's 'fast' bowling against Jayasuria? The extent of experiment really surprises me. Sure we desperately need a fast bowling allrounder but turning a strugling top order batsman(JS) into a pace bower is out of my understanding. It would make sense if he bowled in the domestic level previously. If you really want a fast bowling allrounder in the team why don't groom someone who has already proved himself in the domestic level. Don't say we have none.

beshideshi
November 3, 2010, 06:14 AM
And you're better off with a one dimensional aka spin attack rather than part time pacers. Unless you are a top quality pacer, any g8 team will spank you around for good.

If things go according to plan, we may have 3 SLA bowlers operating in the 20-35 overs, regardless of how different they are in their flight and trajectory and blah blah blah, they are all SLA. And if a top class batsman gets in and plays them well we don't really have a plan B. I think if we had someone like [maybe] Ryder/Astle/Ganguly/Colly it would just add an extra dimension to the bowling attack. And they[jahurul/Junaid] will only be used for 2-3 over spells once every 5 games.

shakibrulz
November 3, 2010, 06:21 AM
Ganguly/colly etc hardly got away bowling in subcontinent. Especially in these days batsmen will totally cash in when such part time pacers r bowling. I see what you're on about, but it will do more harm than good. If they want to, why dont they bowl parttime leg/offies?

simon
November 3, 2010, 06:21 AM
Excellent move by Pont.

Now, Jahurul and Junaid got an excellent chance to make up their batting with some economical bowling. Raqibul should be jealous now.... :-D

Rock & SN will have to take the glooves & do some keeping. :-D
I was wondering why not teaching Shafiul & Razzaq some batting so that we cld do a lot better in PP?

beshideshi
November 3, 2010, 06:53 AM
I see what you are saying too, but Bangladesh are not going to play all of their games in the sub continent. And we don't really need more part time offies, we already have Nayeem/Riyad who can chuck in a few slow overs. Also, there are several examples when the set batsmen gave their wickets to mediocre part time bowlers.

But having another option won't do us any harm, also this will only be plan B And they are primarily batsmen, it will be idiotic on if they concentrate more on their bowling than their batting, I am sure the coaches will be aware of that.

Umar
November 3, 2010, 09:23 AM
This could be a good Idea or a really bad idea at this time esp..

IMO the chance of getting something out of nothing is very low. If these two(Junaid and Jahirul) naturally don't have any bowling potentials then I doubt anything can be gained from this. You can't train a donkey to dance..Instead it might break its legs!
just hope this doesn't take them off from concentrating in BATTING Skills!

Keep it simple and train the fast bowlers we have.
Mash, Rubel, Shafiul, Robiul, Mahbubul, Rasel, Shahadat, Doller, Nazmul + the rookies ....are ENOUGH numbers I'd think.

Murad
November 3, 2010, 09:34 AM
I don't like this idea.

Selectors should introduce Milon with him. Milon is a good late order batsman and bowls medium pace.

wiseshah
November 3, 2010, 09:44 AM
How abt farhad reza? He is already pace allrounder and now got back form

MohammedC
November 3, 2010, 09:49 AM
How abt farhad reza? He is already pace allrounder and now got back form

What with 1 innings against a team who will loose against a 3rd division team from anywhere else from the country
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roman
November 3, 2010, 09:49 AM
After Atahar/Shujon era, we never had a quality pace bowling allrounder. Both junaid and Zohurul are tall and if they can master Pace bowling a bit, it will give us a variety in our bowling that we really need. But I am more interested to see a genuine leg spinner in the team than this. I just feel sorry for Zohurul. This guy is trying every possible things out to be in the playing XI. I wish you all the success Johu.

Murad
November 3, 2010, 09:56 AM
How abt farhad reza? He is already pace allrounder and now got back form

Yes. he could be one as well. he has talents. He was bowling alright before going for ICL. But don't count the last innings.

Nadim
November 3, 2010, 09:58 AM
Wisehah, one magtch e bhalo korlai ki form e fiye ase???
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Zeeshan
November 3, 2010, 09:58 AM
Good move. As much as I am for specialization and concentration, one mustn't live in a bubble.

Haru-party
November 3, 2010, 10:46 AM
beparta shubidhar mone hoitase na.....2jon-e amar khub fav. batsmen....jai hok ashakori pont mia professional-er motoi kaj korbe.

shuziburo
November 3, 2010, 12:31 PM
first name that will come out of my head is...Shaurav Ganguly.

Was not Mohinder Amarnath also a medium pacer?

Mahindar was a slow-medium pacer, who used to bowl 60mph or so. Because of accuracy, variations, and swing, he has picked up many crucial wickets for India. He was probably India's best batsman against true fast bowling.

shuziburo
November 3, 2010, 12:45 PM
Paks are also part of subcontinent. So that statement only applies to India. :-p I won't add Bangladesh, because I am biased and we got Pont for Shafi and Rubel and both are capable of bowling at or over 150mph

150mph!!! That is faster than Shoaib Akhter...

shuziburo
November 3, 2010, 12:46 PM
Jahurul will now have to bowl as well? What will happen to his keeping? Isnt he our back-up keeper? What else he needs to do to secure a place in the team while losers like Rakibul and Ashraful (in the recent past) have been enjoying free rides.

Who will keep when Jaharul bowls. Oh, I see. He will be the keeper too. He bowls, then runs at 200mph, gets behind the wicket and keeps without pads!

shuziburo
November 3, 2010, 12:48 PM
And you're better off with a one dimensional aka spin attack rather than part time pacers. Unless you are a top quality pacer, any g8 team will spank you around for good.

If you bowl occasionally, and is accurate, you might get results.

mac
November 3, 2010, 12:56 PM
Good move by Pont. But I am worried about Jahurul. He is trying everything to get chance in the playing XI. He is a solid batsman and should concentrate more on improving his batting.

riankhan
November 3, 2010, 01:19 PM
Who will keep when Jaharul bowls. Oh, I see. He will be the keeper too. He bowls, then runs at 200mph, gets behind the wicket and keeps without pads!

Lol.
He will surely make up to the Test XI. I firmly believe there are lot more to come from him.

Dilscoop
November 3, 2010, 08:02 PM
If Jahurul starts to bowl well, Rahim's keeping position will be safe. And we will finally see Jahurul at 6 as a ALR, where I want to see him bat in the ODI. He will become a true all rounder.

But these guys should not be considered in the XI for their new bowling ability, at least not yet. I have seen BCB do that a lot, consider part timers for their part time skills

shakibrulz
November 3, 2010, 11:38 PM
If you bowl occasionally, and is accurate, you might get results.
With their medium pace, they must bowl accurately to Mcgrathesque proportions. And I wouldn't bet my money on them doing it :-p

al-Sagar
November 4, 2010, 01:49 AM
so when will two of our opening BATSMAN will eventually open the BOWLING ???

Naimul_Hd
November 4, 2010, 02:26 AM
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betaar
November 4, 2010, 05:56 PM
Move is definitely positive.....we'll have to wait and see if the outcome is.

lamisa
November 5, 2010, 03:56 AM
it's an unusual move but nevertheless,a good one.however,i would want jahurul to spend more time with JF and work on his keeping.he cant be keeping and bowling at the same time...

Nadim
November 6, 2010, 09:12 AM
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মাশরাফি বিন মুর্তজা, রুবেল হোসেন, শফিউল ইসলাম, নাজমুল হোসেন, সৈয়দ রাসেল ও মাহমুবুল আলম রবীনদের জন্য বিশেষ এই বোলিং স্কিলে উন্নতি করা সহজ হলেও জহিরুল ইসলাম অমি এবং জুনায়েদ সিদ্দিকের অবস্থা কি হবে।

ব্যাটিং নিয়ে যাদের অধ্যাবসায় তাদেরকেই কি না পেস বোলিং শেখানো হচ্ছে। আসলে একজন বোলিং অল-রাউন্ডার তৈরির চেষ্টা করছেন ইয়ান পন্ট। প্রধান কোচ জেমি সিডন্সেরও এতে আপত্তি নেই। উচ্চতার কারণে জহিরুল এবং জুনায়েদকে বেছে নিয়েছেন কোচরা। কিন্তু জহিরুল পেস বোলার হতে চান না। স্পিনার হলেও আপত্তি নেই তার। বলেন,“আমি লেগ স্পিন করতে পারি। লিগে আমার একটি উইকেটও আছে। কিন্তু কোচরা আমাকে পেস বোলার বানাতে চায়। আসলে ব্যাটিংয়ের পর আমার পছন্দ উইকেট কিপিং।”

পেস বোলিং করতে কেমন লাগছে? জুনায়েদকে এমন প্রশ্নের পর অসহায়ের হাসি হাসেন। কারোই বুঝতে বাকি থাকে না ইচ্ছের বিরুদ্ধে বোলিং শিখতে হচ্ছে তাকে। কিন্তু ইয়ান পন্ট বলছেন ভালো পেসার হওয়ার সবগুণই এই দুই ক্রিকেটারের আছে। শুধু সময়ের ব্যাপার।”

জুনায়েদ এবং জহুরুলের পেস বোলিং অন্যকারণেও পছন্দের নয়। অতিরিক্ত শ্রম দিতে হয় পেস বোলারদের। এই দুই ক্রিকেটারের মতে,“ব্যাটিংয়ের চেয়ে অনেক বেশি পরিশ্রম করতে হয় পেস বোলারদের। বলতে গেল দ্বিগুণ পরিশ্রম করেও বোলার হিসেবে সফল হওয়া কঠিন।”

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Rabz
November 6, 2010, 12:39 PM
^^ Seems like the experiment would end soon.
If the players arent ready to work hard, its gonna be even harder for the coach to purchase something out of them or for them to be remotely successful.

Ajfar
November 6, 2010, 12:44 PM
^They are all freaking lazy. They are completely satisfied with what they have. And that's what separates Tamim and Shakib from rest of the clowns.

AsifTheManRahman
November 6, 2010, 12:48 PM
It's understandable that people will have different interests and certain skills may not be for everyone. But what bothers me is how these guys are easily intimidated by the prospect of hard work. This team is a bunch of losers.

AsifTheManRahman
November 6, 2010, 12:49 PM
^They are all freaking lazy. They are completely satisfied with what they have. And that's what separates Tamim and Shakib from rest of the clowns.
I'm ashamed of supporting these sissies. We can't hold on to good coaches if they don't get anything in return from the players. This tells me Zunaed and Jahurul are no better than Aftab. They're bloody Aftabs, that's what they are.

Murad
November 6, 2010, 01:17 PM
^They are all freaking lazy. They are completely satisfied with what they have. And that's what separates Tamim and Shakib from rest of the clowns.

Ask Tamim to start practicing fast bowling and see what his reaction is. Not many in Bangladesh want to bowl fast. Shakib and Raj did it in the beginning but gave up as too much hard work or something similar to that.

Jahurul is a hard working guy. He works hard for his batting as he is good at it. Bowling is all together a different thing. Just because he is tall and you make him bowl fast is not nice. Pont need to understand that. He should concentrate on Wicket-keeping instead of bowling.

bura
November 6, 2010, 01:23 PM
It's understandable that people will have different interests and certain skills may not be for everyone. But what bothers me is how these guys are easily intimidated by the prospect of hard work. This team is a bunch of losers.

gari, bari to peyei gese...future is secure...ar kosto kore lav ki?

AsifTheManRahman
November 6, 2010, 01:24 PM
Ask Tamim to start practicing fast bowling and see what his reaction is. Not many in Bangladesh want to bowl fast. Shakib and Raj did it in the beginning but gave up as too much hard work or something similar to that.

Jahurul is a hard working guy. He works hard for his batting as he is good at it. Bowling is all together a different thing. Just because he is tall and you make him bowl fast is not nice. Pont need to understand that. He should concentrate on Wicket-keeping instead of bowling.
I don't think that's what anyone's upset about. People are upset that they don't want to bowl because it's hard work, not because they lack interest in that department. Not wanting to bowl because it doesn't tickle their intellect is fine, but fearing hard work isn't and could very well reflect on their batting.

FagunerAgun
November 6, 2010, 01:32 PM
It is a surprise they are for pace bowling.
However, BCB should act promply on these lazy players. Nothing is granted for in this professional sports.

simon
November 6, 2010, 05:10 PM
stop calling them "loosers or lazy"
I think they r just not passionate abt pace bowling,they came in as btsmen or wkpr/btsmn.
and its not like they r refusing or protesting.

Dilscoop
November 6, 2010, 05:20 PM
Stop acting like kids, and listen to the damn coach.

Blah
November 6, 2010, 06:00 PM
stop calling them "loosers or lazy"
I think they r just not passionate abt pace bowling,they came in as btsmen or wkpr/btsmn.
and its not like they r refusing or protesting.

If I remember correctly they were not forced to start bowling. Ian Pont asked everyone, who is not a bowler, who has done some fast bowling the past and willing to learn. Both Jahurul and Zunaeed showed interest (probably among others), but they were chosen both because they are tall and showed interest.

I find it hard to believe that any one is forced to ball just because they are tall.

Fast bowling indeed takes quite a bit of effort, but complaining after few days is a bit of a sissy attitude IMO.

cricket_king
November 6, 2010, 07:01 PM
If I'd been a batsman all my life, and made it to international cricket purely as a batsman, I'd be pretty annoyed if a coach told me he wants to train me into a pacer. These guys are struggling to keep their place as batsmen (though Jahirul shouldn't be having any issues), and rather than focus on regaining their batting form, they're having to practice something they've never done in domestic cricket, let alone international cricket. Any player would be reluctant under those circumstances. Stupid Idea and a complete waste of time I say.

simon
November 6, 2010, 07:04 PM
I never heard of them showing interest.

beshideshi
November 6, 2010, 07:18 PM
On one hand I know how much harder training for pace bowling is compared to batting, I also see why it will be annoying to learnt a new trait after already played test cricket. But these guys showed interest to become fast bowlers and should give fast bowling a couple of more months before saying "it's not for me".
I doubt that Junaid and Jahurul has such horrible perception of pace bowling, the reporter makes it sound a lot worse than it actually is. Junaid just smiled innocently and the reporter translated that as a cry for help, seriously?

RazabQ
November 6, 2010, 07:21 PM
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IanW
November 6, 2010, 07:22 PM
If I'd been a batsman all my life, and made it to international cricket purely as a batsman, I'd be pretty annoyed if a coach told me he wants to train me into a pacer. These guys are struggling to keep their place as batsmen (though Jahirul shouldn't be having any issues), and rather than focus on regaining their batting form, they're having to practice something they've never done in domestic cricket, let alone international cricket. Any player would be reluctant under those circumstances. Stupid Idea and a complete waste of time I say.

Both Steve and Mark Waugh bowled some very useful medium pace, but, frankly, as a professional it's a very simple equation.

If you and another bloke are in competition for that final batting spot, if you can take the odd wicket as a change bowler, or even just rest the real bowlers for a six over spell, and he can't, then you get the nod and he doesnt.

If you are pretty useless in the subcontinent, but can swing the ball a bit. then you get that last spot to go to England or New Zealand.

And so on and so forth.

RazabQ
November 6, 2010, 07:37 PM
I think some folks are overreacting. Anyone who saw Zunaid's patient century against England in conditions that made Swann lose his cool should not be comparing Big Z with Aftab.
More likely they just think it's a stupid idea to convert top order batsman with minimal history of fast bowling into pacers but can''t really come out and say that against "guru-jon".
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Blah
November 6, 2010, 07:39 PM
I never heard of them showing interest.

The very first post of the thread that you are replying to:
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showpost.php?p=1228317&postcount=1

Quoting relevant part:

Ian Pont, the fast-bowling coach of the Bangladesh national cricket team, took an initiative to produce seamers out of the batsmen to give the Tigers more bowling options.
After having a look into his arsenal, Pont urged all of his batsmen, who have bowled seam sometime in their career to come forward as Bangladesh are desperately in need of all-rounders, who can also bowl seamers (pace).
‘Today we started the process and we have all the fast-bowlers in. We have two of the batsmen coming in as well bowling pace. We are thinking of a couple of batsmen who might know how to bowl pace as well. We are just giving everyone the chance to learn how to increase their speed,’ Ian Pont said after a practice session.
Junaed Sidique, who used to bowl pace when he was young, joined Pont’s group of pace bowlers and went in for training. Jahirul Islam was also tried out for pace bowling.
‘I used to bowl pace when I was a kid. I am not certain what I can do but I will give it a go and see what happens,’ said Junaed after the practice session.

No one was forced. They volunteered, now they are pussy-footing.

Naimul_Hd
November 6, 2010, 07:41 PM
i hardly believe these Newspaper drama !! Reporters always mix some masala to make it more spicy !

One World
November 6, 2010, 07:52 PM
In quest of Sujon and Nannu 2.0.

Dilscoop
November 6, 2010, 07:59 PM
^^ Nannu was a spinner/

Night_wolf
November 6, 2010, 09:23 PM
On one hand I know how much harder training for pace bowling is compared to batting, I also see why it will be annoying to learnt a new trait after already played test cricket. But these guys showed interest to become fast bowlers and should give fast bowling a couple of more months before saying "it's not for me".
I doubt that Junaid and Jahurul has such horrible perception of pace bowling, the reporter makes it sound a lot worse than it actually is. Junaid just smiled innocently and the reporter translated that as a cry for help, seriously?

exactly bangla newspapers always rong choray lakhe..

22Yards
November 6, 2010, 09:53 PM
so if they have no interest whatsoever learning pace bowling then it wouldnt bring any result. In that case, they should ditch this idea alltogether and let them bat, if they can do that atleast. Should they have a little sense of interest of playing for the team rather than playing for themselves, they should have throughly considered this idea that their advantage in height ( which i would say pretty rare in Bangladesh lets say 1/10 people are tall in bd ? ) can just play a big role in the future. didn't sachin started his career as a no 10 bowler ? i truly believe it can also go the other way round. You just need to be willing to learn and identify what you are good at.

BANFAN
November 7, 2010, 07:20 AM
Emni jaye na abar .... Tayna pachaye .........

magic boy
November 7, 2010, 08:08 AM
If tailenders can practice batting to contribute 25/30 runs why cant they? Aailshar dol

firstlane
December 11, 2010, 01:04 AM
What happend to the idea of using Junaed (& Zahirul) as part time bowler? Was it a failure I wonder!

Trigger_Tiger
December 11, 2010, 01:56 AM
At least someone's thinking outside the box. But being the losers that our batsmen are, I wouldn't be surprised if they fail miserably like dogs in the streets.
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Don't insult the stray dogs like this Asif Bhai...they will fight to death for their territory and pride...hehehehehe!

On a more serious note though...I see why not? He is just getting a start and maybe a Pace Bowling Clinic for potent part-timers...increasing the variety withing the team and bringing in far more depth than the rest of the subcontinental teams :)!

capslock
December 11, 2010, 09:45 AM
This is a great initiative. Now, who is going to teach them how to bat properly?

firstlane
December 11, 2010, 10:13 AM
This is a great initiative. Now, who is going to teach them how to bat properly?
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