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Eshen
November 3, 2010, 12:20 AM
IMO, Michael Bevan and Michael Hussey were/are the best examples what should be the role of a #6 batsman. Someone playing from this spot should be a master of spin, at same time have to be able to handle reverse swing or the second new ball. He has to be able to nudge the ball around or hit over the top as situations demand.

Lets look at our prospects for the slot -

Mushfiqur Rahim: Mushfiq plays spin well, his technique against pacers are not too shoddy (though often he gets beaten by genuine pace, mostly because of his high backlift). He nudges the ball around well, but more often than not gets in trouble when he goes for hard hitting. Lack of power in his shots means he has to time his shots to perfection or it will be miscued - which happens frequently in his case. As an accumulator, he fits better as a #4, at least on slow pitches.

Mahmuddullah: He is one of the better prospects. He often cause ire of fans cause he takes longer to settle in. However, it should not be issue if he is promoted, since then he will have longer time to settle.

Naeem Islam: Naeem came in the team with some excellent batting stats at domestic and A-team levels. Surprisingly, Siddons decided to turn him into a bits-n-piece allrounder. While he has done an outstanding job improving his bowling, his batting seemed to have suffered a lot. I still think he is an excellent prospect to be tried from this position.

Jahurul Islam: Omi plays mostly as an opener in domestic leagues. However, he plays spin well enough to be tried as our version of Michael Hussey (who also plays mostly as an opener in domestic matches). He seems to be a better power hitter than above three mentioned.

Mehrab Hossain: He was screwed by coaches and selectors who suggested him to play as an opener. He played couple of excellent innings for the U/19 team from this position. He later however became over defensive and unfit for the role. I sincerely hope he can find himself soon again from his appropriate position in the order.

Shuvagoto Hom: Still a largely unknown player, Shuvagoto's stats indicate he can play according to situations, thus may be a good prospect here.

Your observation/comment?

al-Sagar
November 3, 2010, 01:11 AM
what i like of jahurul and mehrab is they like to use the feet and dance down the wicket to spinners and hit over the field. also mehrab has a good cricketing brain and i think he is the best spinner out of our batting allrounder line and length wise.

shakibrulz
November 3, 2010, 01:23 AM
Arent there like 100 threads on the same topic?

BTW bevan is overrated IMO.

Naimul_Hd
November 3, 2010, 01:52 AM
BD-Shardul bhai er ekta sign er kotha mone pore gelo ! "KDPP" !!! :)

Tigers_eye
November 3, 2010, 02:05 AM
Bevan was the Ice Man for the best team in the past two decades.

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 02:12 AM
BD-Shardul bhai er ekta sign er kotha mone pore gelo ! "KDPP" !!! :)
I have a sign of my own - "No Pest"

http://www.ehw.org/Healthy_House/HH_no_pests.300.jpg

Unfortunately, the forum is now full of pests that filling it up with posts without much content and have no clue how to respond to posts that actually got some thinking behind them!

Tigers_eye
November 3, 2010, 02:25 AM
The better power hitter who can bat according to the situation. Jaharul undoubtedly but he is needed at #3 as well. What to do?

Mahir
November 3, 2010, 02:27 AM
Unfortunately, the forum is now full of pests that filling it up with posts without much content and have no clue how to respond to posts that actually got some thinking behind them!

Post of the year! Whole-heartedly agree... :up:

al Furqaan
November 3, 2010, 02:29 AM
i think Ash will end up getting the spot, and i cant say i mind. he's a superb nudge-arounder when he's confident, and can fetch boundaries in the late stages but score quickly without them too. batting PP also looks enticing. i just hope he isn't slotted at #4 by Siddons, even if he asks for that slot.

apart from that, Riyad and Naeem and Jahirul are my top choices. although Jahirul might be better served at the top, where he can counter the slowness of Imrul and Rock.

it really looks like shakib will be at 5, with Rock at 4. that leaves #3 open between Jahirul and SN, although perhaps mushy would fit well there too. 6 and 7 are also wide open, with mushy, ash, riyad, and naeem all battling for those 2 spots.

Zunaid
November 3, 2010, 02:31 AM
The better power hitter who can bat according to the situation. Jaharul undoubtedly but he is needed at #3 as well. What to do?

Have we really yet found our best 2-3-4? If our #6 can also be a #3, to which spot should we give him priority?

al Furqaan
November 3, 2010, 02:31 AM
we've got about 14-15 guys basically screaming "pick me" for XI spots...excellent predicament to be in. i can't recall a time ever before where we've had even 5 guys yelling for a spot.

al Furqaan
November 3, 2010, 02:34 AM
Have we really yet found our best 2-3-4? Should if our #6 can also be a #3, to which spot should we give him priority?

u can't really argue with Imrul at 2. SR is low, but still about 70. but when he plays slwoer, we need a quicker man, one down. Jahirul and SN both clamoring for that spot. 4 is gonna be Rock, though I'd prefer Shakib. Shakib will be at 5. that leaves 6-8 open and our weakest link.

bottom line is, everyone batsman, bowlers, fielders will all be going balls-out the next month trying to secure a spot for the ZIM series. the good thing is, this will continue forever. apart from shakib and tamim, no one's position is set in stone.

Naimul_Hd
November 3, 2010, 02:35 AM
Unfortunately, the forum is now full of pests that filling it up with posts without much content and have no clue how to respond to posts that actually got some thinking behind them!

I do agree. But it has also been seen that, some of BC members seriously lack sense of humor. They always seem to be in Serious mood all day long. They need to be lighten up. There is nothing personal.

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 02:45 AM
Have we really yet found our best 2-3-4? If our #6 can also be a #3, to which spot should we give him priority?
IMO, for a rookie like Jahurul, it should be better to come later in the order, ie at #6. He is not a must at #3 at this point, we have other options to consider here (SN, ZS).

As for #2, I see no reason to discard or displace Imrul at this point, after the stabilizing role he has played for last one year.

For #4, Raqibul made himself harder to be written off with NCL performances, but that still does not make him a must in the team. We got to fit Mushfiq somewhere (too close to WC to consider any other keeper), and #4 seems most appropriate for him atm.

Mahir
November 3, 2010, 02:54 AM
See Eshen, the problem in the current squad, I think, is that we have a lineup (from 3 till as far as no. 7 on some occasions) full of batsmen who has played in the top-order for most of their career, and/or have had success in the top-order. We simply have not had THAT one specialist who could fulfill that role of the no. 6 spot.

Naeem - someone I followed with a lot of interest since his age-level/early domestic days, saw almost all of his success at no. 3 or 4. But as you said, he got converted into a spinner who can bat at the lower order, thus not being able to bat according to his true abilities.

Mushfiq should bat no lower than no. 4. So he's ruled out for the 6-slot. Junaid, Jahurul, along with Nafees, IMO, all have more potential to do better at no. 3 than at 6. Mehrab looks to be out of contention for good for any spot in the squad, unless he can pile on the runs in the domestic matches, which is unlikely.

That leaves me with Mahmudullah Riyad and, yes - the man named Ashraful, whom I can see fit in the 6-slot with the current lineup configuration in mind. Riyad does take time to settle in, and he should be well-cemented for our Test lineup, but he is unlikely to throw his wicket away at the least. With Ashraful, he can conquer anything on his day, but its just too few and far between, as we all know. Maybe we can hold on to our patience and try him out at no. 6 for the Zimbabwe series, and possibly for the World Cup. If he clicks there, hoorrahh! If not, Shubhagoto Hom will hopefully be ready to step in by then, and as noted by some keen watchers of our domestic league - he might, one day, be that Bevan or Hussey that we would treasure!

So for the Zimbabwe series, why not go with Junaid at 3 (then give Jahurul at couple of games at 3), Mushfiq at 4, Riyad at 6 and Ashraful at 7 ? I am even okay with playing Naeem instead of Ashraful, but then he should bat at 4, with Mushy at 5, and Shakib and Riyad to follow before the 4 bowlers.

Mahir
November 3, 2010, 03:13 AM
For #4, Raqibul made himself harder to be written off with NCL performances, but that still does not make him a must in the team. We got to fit Mushfiq somewhere (too close to WC to consider any other keeper), and #4 seems most appropriate for him atm.

Exactly.

But with such performances in the NCL, Raqibul is perhaps penciled in for the WC at no. 4. If thats how it is going to be, then Mushy plays at 3. With Junaid's recent run of poor form, and a virtual failure in the first 3 rounds of NCL, add his shoddy ground-fielding to boot, maybe he can take some time off. No. 6 would go to Riyad, and Ashraful at 7. Naeem, would be the odd man out, ofcourse undeserving, but he should have always played in the top order to begin with.

Dilscoop
November 3, 2010, 03:21 AM
This is becoming very frustrating. Stop opening more threads on this topic. There are at least 15 other thread on this similar topic, and 14 of them could be merged together, and you could've easily posted this on one of those threads. When you have a thread that says "who should be our finisher" you don't need another thread like "who should be our finisher from 6-8 -with a poll", then you have to open this thread, "who should bat at 6." Someone wanna take over "who should bat at 7" and "who should bat at 8"??

You guys are like bangla directors, can't come up with anything you. And please don't try to argue and explain to how this thread is different from the others, because it's not and I don't wanna hear about it.

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 03:33 AM
That leaves me with Mahmudullah Riyad and, yes - the man named Ashraful, whom I can see fit in the 6-slot with the current lineup configuration in mind. Riyad does take time to settle in, and he should be well-cemented for our Test lineup, but he is unlikely to throw his wicket away at the least. With Ashraful, he can conquer anything on his day, but its just too few and far between, as we all know. Maybe we can hold on to our patience and try him out at no. 6 for the Zimbabwe series, and possibly for the World Cup. If he clicks there, hoorrahh! If not, Shubhagoto Hom will hopefully be ready to step in by then, and as noted by some keen watchers of our domestic league - he might, one day, be that Bevan or Hussey that we would treasure!

So for the Zimbabwe series, why not go with Junaid at 3 (then give Jahurul at couple of games at 3), Mushfiq at 4, Riyad at 6 and Ashraful at 7 ?
Your argument certainly have merits. Riyad, with his consistency over last three years, makes a very hard option to drop. At same time, he does not really fit the role of the #7 well (takes long time to settle and can't accelerate fast when situations demand).

Ash on the other hand has all attributes required for #7 - he can settle in quickly, has skills and reflex to handle all sorts of bowlers, and loves to hit over the top. However, with Ash, it's more of a matter of confidence. Whenever he was assigned position outside middle order, notably as an opener or one-down, he seemed to be sapped out of confidence and looked miserable most of the time. If he can be convinced there is no burden of expectation from him in the #7 slot and he has free license to hit, it may work. But same time, Ash knows he is running out chances (with so many middle order batsman coming up) and may decide to play selfishly instead of according to situations. Is the bet with him worth it? I can't really say the either way.

Zunaid
November 3, 2010, 03:36 AM
This discussion is assuming that Shakib cannot bat in ODIs.

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 03:36 AM
This is becoming very frustrating. Stop opening more threads on this topic. There are at least 15 other thread on this similar topic, and 14 of them could be merged together, and you could've easily posted this on one of those threads. When you have a thread that says "who should be our finisher" you don't need another thread like "who should be our finisher from 6-8 -with a poll", then you have to open this thread, "who should bat at 6." Someone wanna take over "who should bat at 7" and "who should bat at 8"??

You guys are like bangla directors, can't come up with anything you. And please don't try to argue and explain to how this thread is different from the others, because it's not and I don't wanna hear about it.
See, there is a very easy solution for you - don't bother reading this thread, like I did not bother reading all those confusing threads that you mentioned.

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 03:38 AM
This discussion is assuming that Shakib cannot bat in ODIs.
On contrary, I am assuming his position in the batting order is set in stone for now, at #5, after what he has done in last few years, especially in matches that took place in the subcontinent.

beshideshi
November 3, 2010, 03:54 AM
The problem of #7 lies deep in our system, the first time I noticed this was when Shuvo was brought into the team. He had no clear role in the team, was he playing as a batsman? A bowler? an all rounder? He used to bowl 3-4 overs and bat at #8, total waste of a spot.

And then I realized, most of our players are not given a specific role or are not fit for the role they are given. For instance, we have FIVE openers playing in the team[Tamim, IK, SN, Junaid, Jahirul]. Of course they are good batsmen, but you can't expect a guy who has opened the innings and built his innings all life to just come in at #6 and smack six 6s in an over.

To find a proper #7, we must look at the domestic level and have a look the lower order batsmen[finishers] and pick the best out of them. there is no point playing top order batsmen at #7 just to avoid humiliation. We also should try to develop specialists, we need to find a MIDDLE order batsman who's been playing well in the domestic circuit and then bring him in the national team, A team instead of just picking the batsman with most runs.

Let me give you an example, our opening pair is now quite settled and we should not bring in any more openers in the team unless the current pair stops working. So, if there is an opener with an average of 55 and a middle order batsman with avg of 45 we should go for the middle order batsman.

Unless we give specific roles to players, we will always be struggling against top teams.

Zunaid
November 3, 2010, 04:05 AM
As Asaad said, we have an abundance of possibilities clamoring for a limited number of positions. A very good problem to have. Look at the pictorial rendition below. 7 (or 6 if you consider Mush to be given in his wicketkeeper role) fighting for 4 positions. TI, Shakib are given and I am willing to give Imrul as TI's partner for now. I am leaving out the ones in the periphery such as Hom and Mehrab Jr et al.

It's starting to look NP complete. Love it. :)

http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/banglacricket/positions.PNG

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 04:05 AM
^^besideshi, there are plenty of examples in other international teams where a batsman was assigned some other position than his position in domestic teams.

I don't really see anything wrong with picking so many openers in the team. They play longer innings in domestic matches thus more adept against different bowlers and different situations. Matter of fact, our openers, who spent plenty of time in domestic leagues (Jahurul is prime example) spent more time facing medium pacers and spinners than facing anyone close to be tagged as a medium-fast of fast-medium. Thus, they are more likely to succeed as a middle order batsman in international stage.

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 04:24 AM
But with such performances in the NCL, Raqibul is perhaps penciled in for the WC at no. 4. If thats how it is going to be, then Mushy plays at 3. With Junaid's recent run of poor form, and a virtual failure in the first 3 rounds of NCL, add his shoddy ground-fielding to boot, maybe he can take some time off. No. 6 would go to Riyad, and Ashraful at 7. Naeem, would be the odd man out, ofcourse undeserving, but he should have always played in the top order to begin with.
Stalking up three accumulators (Imrul, Mushfiq, and Raqib) one after another don't seem to be a good idea in current context of ODI cricket. Since Imrul sorta cemented his place in the team atm, you got to drop either Mushfiq or Raqib in the batting side you are suggesting. Since Mushfiq is kinda indispensable as the keeper atp, Raqib has to make way.

beshideshi
November 3, 2010, 04:34 AM
^^besideshi, there are plenty of examples in other international teams where a batsman was assigned some other position than his position in domestic teams.

I don't really see anything wrong with picking so many openers in the team. They play longer innings in domestic matches thus more adapted against different bowlers and different wickets. Matter of fact, our openers, who spent plenty of time in domestic leagues (Jahurul is prime example) spent more time facing medium pacers and spinners than facing anyone close to be tagged as a medium-fast of fast-medium. Thus, they are more likely to succeed as a middle order batsman in international stage.

There are certainly loads of players who have come out of their comfort zones and served their teams superbly. But there are far more players who were specialists at doing things and did even better. I am not saying about having 5 openers in the team in particular. My main concern is how pure batsmen like Nayeem/Riyad were forced to play a role that ideally they should not be playing.

For instance, Nayeem has a FC average of 36~, that is very decent by Bangladeshi standards, yet he was made to bat at #8 and become a bowling all rounder instead of being an automatic choice in the top 6.[Imrul averages 26 in FC, Raqibul averages 31,Shakib averages 33, Mushy averages 29]

Another example that jumps right up in my head is VVS Laxman, he did bat as an opener at one stage and never really got the success that he should have. He then said he wants to bat in the middle order, found a spot in the middle order and playing splendidly.

I believe we should look for specialists in as many positions as possible. If we have 7 batsmen who can do the job, why would we need the 8th?

Mahir
November 3, 2010, 04:36 AM
Eshen, I am okay with not having Raqibul in the playing XI. But its tough to ignore the inevitable reality. I don't see him missing out after his recent show of form (and an accelerated batting gear to go with that). And Mushfiq isn't going to get a chance up the order either, unless there is a void due to injury up the order. But that would go to Nafees/Jahurul as well. So the lineup would stay the way it was against NZ, with Nafees making way for Tamim. Jahurul will continue to be on the bench, and that's how I prefer it as well. He can continue to learn and grow from there for the next while. So Siddons and the rest of the think-tank is probably only contemplating one spot, and that's no 7 - where they got to pick one out of Naeem, Suhrawordi Shubho and Ashraful.

Coaches don't like fixing it if ain't broken. So barring any injuries or very poor outing in the first couple games against Zimbabwe, our lineup is very predictable from 1 to 7 (TIK, IK, Junaid, Raqibul, Shak, Mushy, Riyad).

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 04:45 AM
I believe we should look for specialists in as many positions as possible. If we have 7 batsmen who can do the job, why would we need the 8th?
Totally agree with you there, and certainly agree that forcing Naeem to bat at #8 was a ridiculous decision. It's better for both him and the team that finally Shuvo has been brought in his place.

As for #7 position, if I remember correctly, Reza was the best specialist produced by our domestic league for the slot. But when he turned out to be an incompetent batsman in international standard, Riyad was forced to take the slot. It's a stopgap solution that should be rectified soon. As far I can see, Nasir is the best option out there, but somehow our selectors have left him in wilderness so far.

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 04:51 AM
Coaches don't like fixing it if ain't broken. So barring any injuries or very poor outing in the first couple games against Zimbabwe, our lineup is very predictable from 1 to 7 (TIK, IK, Junaid, Raqibul, Shak, Mushy, Riyad).
That's the root problem there - Siddons not realizing our current batting order does not meet the current standard in ODI cricket. Thus he has put wrong batsmen in wrong slots, thus we see players being unable to accelerate when needed, or making a big mess trying to do so.

Mahir
November 3, 2010, 05:13 AM
That's the root problem there - Siddons not realizing our current batting order does not meet the current standard in ODI cricket. Thus he has put wrong batsmen in wrong slots, thus we see players being unable to accelerate when needed, or making a big mess trying to do so.

Agreed.

Having seen the first 3 rounds of NCL, who's your no. 6 and 7, and what batting lineup would you go in with for the first 2 games of the Zimbabwe series ?

Assuming we are able to win those 2 without much fuss, would you try out different players for certain spots ? And assuming we win the series 5-0/4-1 and there are no injuries, whats your lineup to face India in the 1st game of the WC ?

Night_wolf
November 3, 2010, 05:16 AM
Arent there like 100 threads on the same topic?

BTW bevan is overrated IMO.

if bevan is overrated then so is suresh raina

Night_wolf
November 3, 2010, 05:21 AM
Unfortunately, the forum is now full of pests that filling it up with posts without much content and have no clue how to respond to posts that actually got some thinking behind them!

i dont wana argue with u but i have just one qus..is it ok to call people pests?..they may be filling the forum with posts..but shouldn't that be the objective of a public forum?..if any post is offensive we have mods for that..Will u like it if this forum was for only some people?...different people brings different objectives,news etc..and thats the beauty of a public forum imo

beshideshi
November 3, 2010, 05:26 AM
Totally agree with you there, and certainly agree that forcing Naeem to bat at #8 was a ridiculous decision. It's better for both him and the team that finally Shuvo has been brought in his place.

As for #7 position, if I remember correctly, Reza was the best specialist produced by our domestic league for the slot. But when he turned out to be an incompetent batsman in international standard, Riyad was forced to take the slot. It's a stopgap solution that should be rectified soon. As far I can see, Nasir is the best option out there, but somehow our selectors have left him in wilderness so far.

Forgive my ignorance, but I don't really have much idea about domestic players and who will be suited for #7, but isn't that the selectors job? :P
Also, another thing I have seen, the coaching staff is not aware of the players in the domestic circuit. Jamie kept saying that " we dont have a substitute for Ash", where players like Jahurul were waiting in the flank. I think BCB and the coaching staff must be more aware of what is going on in the domestic leagues, and find out the right players.

Our team at times feel like the carry on luggage of a hasty/unorganized flier, chucking everything in the bag and hoping that all the necessities are in the bag.

Naimul_Hd
November 3, 2010, 06:16 AM
i dont wana argue with u but i have just one qus..is it ok to call people pests?..they may be filling the forum with posts..but shouldn't that be the objective of a public forum?..if any post is offensive we have mods for that..Will u like it if this forum was for only some people?...different people brings different objectives,news etc..and thats the beauty of a public forum imo

Dnt worry my friend. Its not a private forum but public. And Some people possess blue blood by nature, you have to deal with that. :(

Eshen
November 3, 2010, 06:17 AM
Agreed.

Having seen the first 3 rounds of NCL, who's your no. 6 and 7, and what batting lineup would you go in with for the first 2 games of the Zimbabwe series ?
I like the line up you suggest, I would go with a similar one -

Tamim
Imrul
Shahriar
Mushfiq
Shakib
Riyad
Ashraful

Assuming we are able to win those 2 without much fuss, would you try out different players for certain spots ?
If we secure series victory in first three matches, I would still leave following players in team for the rest of the series-

Tamim - playing an international series after a long break
Mushfiq - needs the whole series to settle into his new role
Shakib - indispensable
Ashraful - needs the whole series to settle into his new role

Zunaed should get last two matches in place of Imrul.

Shahriar may be benched to give Jahurul a go in last two matches. However, remember that SN is back in the national fold after a really long break, he should be allowed to play the whole series if the management feels he did not get enough practice out of first three matches.

As like for like replacement, Naeem may be brought into the team for last two matches in place of Riyad.

And assuming we win the series 5-0/4-1 and there are no injuries, whats your lineup to face India in the 1st game of the WC ?
My lineup would be the best set of players from the Zimbabwe series, except for an extra pacer in place of Shuvo.

M.H.Rubel
November 3, 2010, 06:20 AM
Now Mushy is batting at no 6.I like this guy as a player.His defence is solid he is a good batsman in test arena.But in short version to bat at no 6 you should have ability to accelerate,should have ability to play over to top.Mushy has great deficiency during playing shots specibly over the top.He mis times a lot.To me from current batting 11 best batting option is putting Riyad one step up.
Other than Riyad Ash can be a good option as well.Now a days it seems to me inform Ash could be a great option there.Actually i want to give a try for ash in the middle order at #6.And Mushy should not bat at #6.
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Eshen
November 3, 2010, 06:32 AM
i dont wana argue with u but i have just one qus..is it ok to call people pests?..they may be filling the forum with posts..but shouldn't that be the objective of a public forum?..if any post is offensive we have mods for that..Will u like it if this forum was for only some people?...different people brings different objectives,news etc..and thats the beauty of a public forum imo
I have nothing against diverse group of people here, matter of fact I appreciate it very much. But I have everything against people that mock the sincere effort of a thread starter to have a meaningful discussion, have no clue what's it about but still hell bent to ruin a good conversation.

Night_wolf
November 3, 2010, 07:44 AM
I have nothing against diverse group of people here, matter of fact I appreciate it very much. But I have everything against people that mock the sincere effort of a thread starter to have a meaningful discussion, have no clue what's it about but still hell bent to ruin a good conversation.

fine..i'll honor ur words...just ignore thous guys

al Furqaan
November 3, 2010, 10:29 AM
This is becoming very frustrating. Stop opening more threads on this topic. There are at least 15 other thread on this similar topic, and 14 of them could be merged together, and you could've easily posted this on one of those threads. When you have a thread that says "who should be our finisher" you don't need another thread like "who should be our finisher from 6-8 -with a poll", then you have to open this thread, "who should bat at 6." Someone wanna take over "who should bat at 7" and "who should bat at 8"??

You guys are like bangla directors, can't come up with anything you. And please don't try to argue and explain to how this thread is different from the others, because it's not and I don't wanna hear about it.

relax kiddo...there aren't too many ajaira threads open at the moment. so this thread might be the same thing as the others...but sometimes to move the discussion along u need a fresh sheet of papar. interneter space er to kono obhab nai.

if anyone, BC has been hijacked by newbs and their teeny bopper text speak. either that or little prom-age girls who can't help by giggle like its high school every other post. sports are a man's world, generally speaking, and cricket is no different. women and children are welcome, [edit]if at all. good thing that seems to have abated for now.

Night_wolf
November 3, 2010, 11:10 AM
there aren't too many ajaira threads open at the moment. so this thread might be the same thing as the others...but sometimes to move the discussion along u need a fresh sheet of papar. interneter space er to kono obhab nai.
agreed..

if anyone, BC has been hijacked by newbs and their teeny bopper text speak.

thanks for the complement..then again no thanks.

Murad
November 3, 2010, 11:35 AM
Nice thread, Eshen bhai.

I think Mushfique doesn't have a role in our ODI team. He should give up the gloves to Jahurul. He sucks in ODIs. He should play at 4/5 in Tests.

Riyad is the perfect guy for No.6.

Our ideal line up for Zimbabwe series and WC should be like this:

1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Zunaed/SN
4. Jahurul (wk)
5. Shakib
6. Riyad
7. Finisher (Whoever it is).
8. Mash
9. Razzak
10. Shafiul
11. Rubel

Shuvo should be out of Playing eleven. He is no allrounder. He is worse than Shafiul in batting. Nothing speicial in bowling either.

al Furqaan
November 3, 2010, 01:27 PM
thanks for the complement..then again no thanks.

this wasn't directed towards you...unless you post things that show you "lyke" cricket and think that booming cover drive from TI was "kewl" or think that Jahirul is very cute and have a "krush" on him.

shuziburo
November 3, 2010, 01:33 PM
Nice thread, Eshen bhai.

I think Mushfique doesn't have a role in our ODI team. He should give up the gloves to Jahurul. He sucks in ODIs. He should play at 4/5 in Tests.

Riyad is the perfect guy for No.6.

Our ideal line up for Zimbabwe series and WC should be like this:

1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Zunaed/SN
4. Jahurul (wk)
5. Shakib
6. Riyad
7. Finisher (Whoever it is).
8. Mash
9. Razzak
10. Shafiul
11. Rubel

Shuvo should be out of Playing eleven. He is no allrounder. He is worse than Shafiul in batting. Nothing speicial in bowling either.


You might be right about Mushfiq.
I am not sure about Riyad at #6, but he might do well there. We'll see.
I am not sure that we have seen Shuvo's capability as a batsman yet. However, he bowled well for ODI.

Murad
November 3, 2010, 02:10 PM
^^
Brother, his batting is crap in ODs even in domestic level. He is quite good in FC games.

Night_wolf
November 3, 2010, 08:30 PM
Nice thread, Eshen bhai.

I think Mushfique doesn't have a role in our ODI team. He should give up the gloves to Jahurul. He sucks in ODIs. He should play at 4/5 in Tests.

Riyad is the perfect guy for No.6.

Our ideal line up for Zimbabwe series and WC should be like this:

1. Tamim
2. Imrul
3. Zunaed/SN
4. Jahurul (wk)
5. Shakib
6. Riyad
7. Finisher (Whoever it is).
8. Mash
9. Razzak
10. Shafiul
11. Rubel

Shuvo should be out of Playing eleven. He is no allrounder. He is worse than Shafiul in batting. Nothing speicial in bowling either.

vai how can u play with 3 pacers in bd??..:timeout: ur 11 is almost perfect for me!..but i'll play shovo or nayeem in place of shafiul..and SN in no 3..finisher would be ash...he is getting paid 1lakh 8 hajar!..lets use him!

tkandi4
November 3, 2010, 09:23 PM
I think it should be Naeem. He played as a good finisher against Zim in one game. Isn't he known as 'chokka Naeem' in domestic cricket? If he can be trained as a finisher, he should be able to contribute.

Mahir
November 4, 2010, 02:54 AM
Murad bhai, it's too close to the World Cup to try out a new keeper in the international level. And Mushy's low-batting slot does not help his abilities either. If he's pushed up the order, he fares much better. He is a good accumulator which makes him dependable to rescue the team from any batting collapse. Jahurul can continue to work on his glove-work as well as his batting, and in a few months, perhaps after the world cup, he would get chances to show it out in the match. And keeping the current ODI cricket in mind, teams don't tend to use a specialist keeper anyway. Any good batsman who can keep could do the job - which our Mushy is anyway.

Zeeshan
November 4, 2010, 08:07 AM
What if we look at the stats of average runs scored in the 5th FOW?

It's starting to look NP.

Night_wolf
November 5, 2010, 02:41 PM
This is ash's record batting at no 6
http://i55.tinypic.com/142buo1.jpg

better then his overall

RazabQ
November 5, 2010, 04:12 PM
Most of our players are young and they should be able to handle different roles if it's taught / explained.
My lineup

1) TI
2) IK
3) SN/JH/Rok
4) Shak
5) Mushy
6) Ash
7) Riyadh
8) Mash
9) Rajjak
10) Shafi
11) Rubel

Mushy can be a good #5. He may not have power but has good mid-wicket hoik and sweeps and a phenomenal cut shot. Good enough to hit boundaries. Also he makes great partnerships with Shak. You have to let Shak come in early because he's one of the guys who can rotate strike, hit out, and score big.
Ash is best suited for #6 for reasons stated before. In my ideal situation Riyad+Ash plays as the 3rd spinner (they really can be decent) we drop Shubho and play with Mash, Shafi & Rubel.
I don't rate Naeem at all. Rok has done less than SN. Zunaid is bye bye.

Habib
November 5, 2010, 04:22 PM
^Nice line up Razab vai. I'm a bit biased towards Zahirul though & feel that he has a place in our team. I'd take him to replace one of SN/Ash/Mushy in your line up.

Night_wolf
November 6, 2010, 01:12 AM
^^nice line up but i am still against playing 3 pacers in BD conditions